Stingley Jr.

he's got an injury history. No thanks

Both make a ton of $$ and could get cut

I could see us needing a corner

To go along with OL, DE, LB, etc…

He’s a top 3 player in the draft

Period. You don’t pass up the BPA just because Adoree Jackson, who will be cut ASAP, is on the roster

Because hardly played in 2020-2021.

Since then, what the hell has he done?

I don't think he's better than Roger McCreary.

Not another corner, especially an injury prone one

In comment 15556896 Dave in PA said:

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Period. You don’t pass up the BPA just because Adoree Jackson, who will be cut ASAP, is on the roster

The NFL is a quarterback driven league and you need a top flight quarterback to win or you need a OLine to protect that QB. The Giants have neither and will never win until the get one or the other, preferably both. Taking more “skill position players” is not what they need.

In comment 15556879 Bill in UT said:

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he's got an injury history. No thanks

We need every position on the roster.

In comment 15556896 Dave in PA said:

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Period. You don’t pass up the BPA just because Adoree Jackson, who will be cut ASAP, is on the roster

draft is about most impactful players at key positions. Corner right now is not an impactful position to a team that can't block or get to the QB.

In comment 15556913 JohnB said:

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In comment 15556896 Dave in PA said: Quote: Period. You don’t pass up the BPA just because Adoree Jackson, who will be cut ASAP, is on the roster The NFL is a quarterback driven league and you need a top flight quarterback to win or you need a OLine to protect that QB. The Giants have neither and will never win until the get one or the other, preferably both. Taking more “skill position players” is not what they need.

you would think people who lived through the Dave Gettleman era would understand positional value in the draft...but here we are again.

2 interceptions per year, and 1 was more of a strip than an Int. And foot injuries that require surgery are pretty iffy. I hope we've learned something about drafting guys who have been injured.

In comment 15556919 Bill in UT said:

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2 interceptions per year, and 1 was more of a strip than an Int. And foot injuries that require surgery are pretty iffy. I hope we've learned something about drafting guys who have been injured.

He's had zero interceptions the last two years.

talented corners make it to FA all the time...because its not a valued position to drop high draft capital or major investments in.

Is a turn off for me.

If he meets the grade.

Yes, it is allowed

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If he meets the grade. Yes, it is allowed

Him not playing for 2 years and having foot injuries has to be a major red flag, no?

At least one new starting CB very likely needed in '23. I'd gladly pick him if his health is clean and start preparing him for the role.

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It’s a real possibility. Corner is a big big need.

when it's a big need. Everything else is a big need right now

You strike when the best players present themselves. Gianta have been playing the short game and it's poor strategy and execution.

Play the long game.

In comment 15556896 Dave in PA said:

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Period. You don’t pass up the BPA just because Adoree Jackson, who will be cut ASAP, is on the roster

+1


When the Giants drafted Lawrence Taylor in 1981 - they had Brad Van Pelt, Harry Carson, Brian Kelly and also drafted Byron Hunt in the 9th round(?) in 1981. You draft talent not need. All things being equal (impossible to tell) - then you draft need.

As of today there is a need right now for OL, Edge Rushers, Dt's Tight Ends, another WR and Inside Linebackers.

All these are current needs. We can do without a CB for now.

And we can try to stop being a finesse football team.

If you are going to take a CB next three picks had better be two OL and one Edge.

of what has caused the Giants to suck. "We don't need CBs or Safeties"(Hamilton) even though they are likely in the top 6 players in the draft is daft. You draft talent, first.

Bradberry has been slowing down and Jackson is injury prone. Logan Ryan is a great guy, but he too is getting old.

Yes they need oline, ER and ILB (and QB). But you do not pass on a better player to take a need which can be filled later. This rebuild will not be a one season deal. It will be minimum 2 and likely 3 years, if the right GM and staff is acquired.

Maybe they trade back with their 2 top picks and get a slew of purple/red chip players???

although I think the position is starting to get a bit commoditized.

I mind the idea of using a top pick on Stingley.

last year taking opt outs, and then watched Chase, Parsons, and Slater kill it.

Stingley wrapped up first round status as a freshman. How much of his unavailability was a 'business decision'? Giants need to figure that out, because they need to come away with as much talent as possible.

whose performance in college doesn't get better over the years. A couple of years ago, Stingley looked like he could end up the best CB prospect in a long time. But his performance since then is a little lacking.

After he inevitable tests really well, I'm sure he'll be considered a Top 5 lock by many but he's not a guy that I'm particularly interested in with our pick as of now.

and hope to go into 2023 with a clean cap. That could result in cutting Bradberry and Jackson which would make CB a major need. We could do worse than getting a stud CB and OL in the first round.

In comment 15557163 short lease said:

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In comment 15556896 Dave in PA said: Quote: Period. You don’t pass up the BPA just because Adoree Jackson, who will be cut ASAP, is on the roster +1 When the Giants drafted Lawrence Taylor in 1981 - they had Brad Van Pelt, Harry Carson, Brian Kelly and also drafted Byron Hunt in the 9th round(?) in 1981. You draft talent not need. All things being equal (impossible to tell) - then you draft need.

its not a good comparison. You can never have enough pass rushers. Since getting to the QB is just as important as protecting the QB.

3 keys to winning in the NFL.

Good QB play
Good OL play
Ability to generate a 4 man pass rush.

I really don't care to investing in anything else near the top of the draft.

can anyone name one cornerback on there team?

No because it doesn't matter if you generate a pass rush with 4 guys. They even lost Nick Bosa and still generated a 4 man pass rush.

If the best player when we are picking is by far a CB then you trade down.

When you pick, then how do you get better at those need positions? You want to backfill our best unit (secondary) while not getting premium players at positions of desperate need?

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When you pick, then how do you get better at those need positions? You want to backfill our best unit (secondary) while not getting premium players at positions of desperate need?

I agree with St. Albans..I’ve felt that most of the time, but that’s just me.

In comment 15557535 Snablats said:

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When you pick, then how do you get better at those need positions? You want to backfill our best unit (secondary) while not getting premium players at positions of desperate need?

I feel like im taking crazy pills. We do this every year and wonder why the offensive line is never fixed or why we can never get to the QB. Because we keep drafting projects on day 2 or day 3 in guys like ximines and elerson smith and wonder why we can never get to the QB.

It doesn't matter how good your secondary is you can generate a pass rush. That was proven this year...overall we had a solid defense and solid secondary but every time there was a 2-minute situation our defense always gave up points because if you can't generate a rush with 4 guys it doesn't matter how good your cover guys are they can't cover forever.

It’s just that the foot injury and time off makes me think it’s unlikely he’s the top graded player at 5.

I’d he drops to 7, definitely in the conversation

To take at 3. He was amazing 3 years ago. He'll go rd 1 but I think the projections of him top 5 would need an awesome combine because he hasn't played much since being a freshman, IIRC.

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Since then, what the hell has he done? I don't think he's better than Roger McCreary.

McCreary is going to be a riser with draftniks.

In comment 15557197 giantstock said:

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All these are current needs. We can do without a CB for now. .

We can do what without a CB right now? Go 5-12?

I doubt drafting based on current weakness is going to elevate the team in 2022 much at all. But drafting based on who's the likeliest impact player might, while helping establish a more talented team for the future.

In comment 15557605 santacruzom said:

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In comment 15557197 giantstock said: Quote: All these are current needs. We can do without a CB for now. . We can do what without a CB right now? Go 5-12? I doubt drafting based on current weakness is going to elevate the team in 2022 much at all. But drafting based on who's the likeliest impact player might, while helping establish a more talented team for the future.

how can a corner be impactful if you never have a lead or can't can't get to a the QB.

And he’s the highest rated player on the board, you take him. You do not draft for need at the top of the draft.

If we had mark collins and perry Williams and Neon Deion was on the board, you draft him and figure it out.

because the players have sucked and use of players have sucked.

its "so easy" to get interior OL lower in the draft... which they have tried and sucked at.

drafting DB.... has gone shitty for the giants... because the players were shitty.

Draft players who end up being good and nobody will give a flying fk what position they played or when you drafted them--- just that they were good.

this is why the front office is being overhauled... because they cant identify talent and dont have a vision of how to build a team.

they are getting a new coach because the coaches have struggled to develop any talent.

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because the players have sucked and use of players have sucked. its "so easy" to get interior OL lower in the draft... which they have tried and sucked at. drafting DB.... has gone shitty for the giants... because the players were shitty. Draft players who end up being good and nobody will give a flying fk what position they played or when you drafted them--- just that they were good. this is why the front office is being overhauled... because they cant identify talent and dont have a vision of how to build a team. they are getting a new coach because the coaches have struggled to develop any talent.

I agree to a certain extent but I think there is a common theme on how the game is played today and what teams around the league value.

1. QB Play
2. Disrupting the QB by generating a pass rush
3. Protecting your QB (pass protection or running the ball)

Ultimately isn't that why good Corners or good WR or good RB's make it to FA all the time? Because you don't invest your draft or $$$ capital on those positions. The successful teams supplement roster with skill position players but the majority of the investment comes from those 3 main areas IMO because if you don't draft those positions well its not like you can just scoop up a good QB or good OL or good pass rusher in FA...they just don't make it there.

In comment 15557511 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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whose performance in college doesn't get better over the years. A couple of years ago, Stingley looked like he could end up the best CB prospect in a long time. But his performance since then is a little lacking. After he inevitable tests really well, I'm sure he'll be considered a Top 5 lock by many but he's not a guy that I'm particularly interested in with our pick as of now.

That's what spooks me too. He never really matched that freshman season. Doesn't mean he can't. Just merits a really close look.

Of good corners and receivers, so it's often pretty easy for a team to let one go because they have an equal or better one in the wings. That supports the argument for taking the elite CB over the not-as-elite other guy.

It's not like teams are letting them go because they don't matter.

with the third pick in the draft. I don't think he's done much although injuries played a big part.

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of what has caused the Giants to suck. "We don't need CBs or Safeties"(Hamilton) even though they are likely in the top 6 players in the draft is daft. You draft talent, first. Maybe they trade back with their 2 top picks and get a slew of purple/red chip players???

The above is not true at all. They also have drafted value in barely. They have also could have had Wirfs as an example. Instead they chose Thomas who is fine but he was regarded as 4th best OT entering the draft. This is the type of blundering they have done. While AT is fine it's an example of they could've done better.

And their FA's overall have bene a disaster. All these things combined are the reason not ONLY what you are citing.

I agree - I would trade down for red-chippers. With that said what you're missing is that in a rebuild that is going to take several years you are right now in search of a QB. As you say Giants can always find players 2-03 years from now so why not wait for the CB?

In the meantime what is the most important position on the Football Field? Its QB. Giants should be going after a QB in 2023. SO you don’t want to give him the best protection possible when he comes aboard?

I don’t want our QB getting slaughtered in 2023. So the hell with taking the CB. The Giants keep putting off getting OL. Make a commitment to the OL even if you have to trade back gut get late 1st to second round O-Linemen.

In comment 15557605 santacruzom said:

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In comment 15557197 giantstock said: Quote: All these are current needs. We can do without a CB for now. . We can do what without a CB right now? Go 5-12? I doubt drafting based on current weakness is going to elevate the team in 2022 much at all. But drafting based on who's the likeliest impact player might, while helping establish a more talented team for the future.

The defense wasn't bad this year so no we don't need a CB that much. We had a pitiful offense. A decent sub-par but not bad defense.

The idea is to protect your QB in 2023. That's a rookie Qb Giants are probably targeting. That's why you bypass the CB vs the OL. It should all be about protecting hm year 1.

And the difference between the Giants OL vs their Secondary is enormous. The Giants were rated I think 30th by PFF this tear? And they were 31 last year. Was our Secondary near that?

In comment 15557640 j_rud said:

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In comment 15557511 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said: Quote: whose performance in college doesn't get better over the years. A couple of years ago, Stingley looked like he could end up the best CB prospect in a long time. But his performance since then is a little lacking. After he inevitable tests really well, I'm sure he'll be considered a Top 5 lock by many but he's not a guy that I'm particularly interested in with our pick as of now. That's what spooks me too. He never really matched that freshman season. Doesn't mean he can't. Just merits a really close look.

Sy did mention he thought Stingley would end up a Top 5 grade on his board iirc. We’ll see how it plays out.

In comment 15557990 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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In comment 15557640 j_rud said: Quote: In comment 15557511 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said: Quote: whose performance in college doesn't get better over the years. A couple of years ago, Stingley looked like he could end up the best CB prospect in a long time. But his performance since then is a little lacking. After he inevitable tests really well, I'm sure he'll be considered a Top 5 lock by many but he's not a guy that I'm particularly interested in with our pick as of now. That's what spooks me too. He never really matched that freshman season. Doesn't mean he can't. Just merits a really close look. Sy did mention he thought Stingley would end up a Top 5 grade on his board iirc. We’ll see how it plays out.

I don't care if he's a Top 5 talent. His foot history is a risk, and even with the 7th pick it's too big a risk to take, imo.

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He’s a top 3 player in the draft

Who else is in your top 3?

I know some who currently have Gardner as their top cornerback..

He screams Eagles to me.