for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

Do the Maras really have operational control?

TroyArchersGhost : 1/17/2022 6:10 am
I've read many times on this forum that the Maras have operational control of the Giants, and some have even suggested Wellington had it written into the Tisch's ownership agreement. But how can that be when the Tisch family bought their share from Tim Mara, not Wellington, and Tim and Wellington had equal shares in the Giants with equal rights. Wellington couldn't condition Tisch's ownership rights at all because he wasn't the seller; Tim was. And Tim had 50% operational control. In fact, it was because operational control was shared evenly between Tim and Wellington that Pete Rozelle had to intercede in 1979 to install George Young.

So where did John Mara get operational control other than by voluntary consent of the two families — consent that can be rescinded at any time? And if Mara doesn't have control of operations, can't Tisch get nasty and force out Chris and Tim from the FO if Schoen or whomever they offer the GM job to insists on removing them as a condition of employment?
President and CEO  
Bryanjints : 1/17/2022 7:19 am : link
John is the president and CEO. He has authority over everyone. I'm sure there's some kind of ownership board that has say. But they shouldn't micromanage.
Wellington Mara and Robert tisch  
TrueBlue56 : 1/17/2022 7:30 am : link
had an agreement once the sale was finalized. Tisch was more in control of the financial end of things and Mara was operations. It is the same with John Mara and Steve tisch. I believe it was Lawrence tynes who said recently that Steve tisch is more of a silent owner. He is not in the building much and does not keep up with the day to day going ons.

Yes he has it  
ron mexico : 1/17/2022 7:59 am : link
Yes that arrangement could change but IMV that’s very very unlikely.

To answer your specific question  
ron mexico : 1/17/2022 8:06 am : link
Could he force those guys out? He probably has the leverage and /or power to do that one way or another.

But it’s seems very unlikely he would and probably unlikely it would be needed to land one of our top candidates
How could a 50% owner (Tisch)  
Mike from Ohio : 1/17/2022 8:41 am : link
force the other 50% owner to fire his brother?

Your point about the operational control is a good one, but then you almost seem to suggest that Tisch has more power than Mara.

If Tisch threw a fit about Chris having control (an assumption for the sake of argument), they would likely compromise behind the scenes and Chris would keep his title and salary and simply do something else. John Mara is not firing his brother because Tisch wants him too.
Schoen or whomever they hire at GM may want to keep  
chick310 : 1/17/2022 8:44 am : link
those family members in the front office, and actually use them more.

What would you do then?



Probably like what Trueblue suggested  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/17/2022 8:49 am : link
The Tisch's may just be happy to keep the Mara's out of the financial side of things. If they pushed to hard on the football side of things maybe they fear the Mara's try to gain more influence on their side of things.
Whoever has been interviewed has been made aware of  
Bill in UT : 1/17/2022 8:52 am : link
the true role the family plays. He is either ok with that, or he is being given the authority to change it, or he's not taking the job.
Money  
Hilary : 1/17/2022 9:33 am : link
People do not get rich by ignoring the assets they invest in or the quality of the products that their companies produce. You can be sure that Tisch has something to say about who the Giants hire.
I understand the value of the first numeral Mr. Mara,  
smshmth8690 : 1/17/2022 9:38 am : link
as well as the value of the seven zeros behind it sir, but no one can under-appreciate the value that you brother Chris brings to any front office Mr. Mara.
John has operational control by agreement between the families  
regulator : 1/17/2022 10:04 am : link
generally speaking, changes to such an agreement cannot be unilaterally imposed. Most likely, there is a procedure for doing so, but it is extremely unlikely that Tisch can wake up and say, "Sorry, John, I'm taking over now..."
No way to confirm that there is a written agreement  
arniefez : 1/17/2022 10:26 am : link
between the families but John Mara is the CEO and Steve Tisch is the Chairman, Executive Vice President and Co-Owner according to Giants.com. It does seem that the Tisch side is out patience and holding the Mara accountable for the past 10 years.

This is just my opinion as a long time Giant fan. John and Chris Mara didn't come up with the GM interview list. I think someone on the Tisch side helped and used outside help to come up with it. Of course the Mara's could have gotten the list off BBI too because some people here were all over some of these names before they were announced.
RE: No way to confirm that there is a written agreement  
UGADawgs7 : 1/17/2022 10:42 am : link
In comment 15557503 arniefez said:
Quote:
between the families but John Mara is the CEO and Steve Tisch is the Chairman, Executive Vice President and Co-Owner according to Giants.com. It does seem that the Tisch side is out patience and holding the Mara accountable for the past 10 years.

This is just my opinion as a long time Giant fan. John and Chris Mara didn't come up with the GM interview list. I think someone on the Tisch side helped and used outside help to come up with it. Of course the Mara's could have gotten the list off BBI too because some people here were all over some of these names before they were announced.


Was about to post something very similar to this. I think Tisch side has some control. I strongly believe and many as well that it took Steve Tisch reasoning with John Mara to fire Judge. I believe as well that Tisch helped formulate the GM list hence asking them who they want as a HC and that will be the candidates. Heard on the radio a few weeks ago, that Tisch is just sick and tired of his buddies in LA mocking him about the Giants being a laughing stock and he came in and made sure Judge was gone. The 50% on Tisch end holds water.
RE: How could a 50% owner (Tisch)  
TroyArchersGhost : 1/17/2022 11:54 am : link
In comment 15557324 Mike from Ohio said:
Quote:
force the other 50% owner to fire his brother?

Your point about the operational control is a good one, but then you almost seem to suggest that Tisch has more power than Mara.

If Tisch threw a fit about Chris having control (an assumption for the sake of argument), they would likely compromise behind the scenes and Chris would keep his title and salary and simply do something else. John Mara is not firing his brother because Tisch wants him too.


Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that Tisch had MORE power, just an equal amount, even in operations if he chose to exercise it. So for instance, John is in charge of operations right now because Tisch gave consent to that arrangement. Presumably, he could withdraw his consent and then probably a court or arbitrater or the NFL would have to decide who's in charge. My point is, Tisch could make it messy and deny Mara the authority to hire anyone in the FO unilaterally, even his brother or nephew.
RE: RE: How could a 50% owner (Tisch)  
Mike from Ohio : 1/17/2022 12:36 pm : link
In comment 15557644 TroyArchersGhost said:
Quote:
In comment 15557324 Mike from Ohio said:


Quote:


force the other 50% owner to fire his brother?

Your point about the operational control is a good one, but then you almost seem to suggest that Tisch has more power than Mara.

If Tisch threw a fit about Chris having control (an assumption for the sake of argument), they would likely compromise behind the scenes and Chris would keep his title and salary and simply do something else. John Mara is not firing his brother because Tisch wants him too.



Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that Tisch had MORE power, just an equal amount, even in operations if he chose to exercise it. So for instance, John is in charge of operations right now because Tisch gave consent to that arrangement. Presumably, he could withdraw his consent and then probably a court or arbitrater or the NFL would have to decide who's in charge. My point is, Tisch could make it messy and deny Mara the authority to hire anyone in the FO unilaterally, even his brother or nephew.


I don't think an arbiter or the NFL would get involved. This isn't 1979. They will tell the two of them to grow up and make a decision like adults.
If Tisch pushed the issue  
ron mexico : 1/17/2022 12:40 pm : link
(I don’t think this is realistic) and takes him to court or arbitration, they are past the “grow up and figure it out” phase.
Back to the Corner