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Today is last day of 1st-round of GM interviews

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/17/2022 10:10 am
We should start to hear some things soon.

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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/17/2022 10:11 am : link
Ralph Vacchiano

@RVacchianoSNY
Two more (and likely final) interviews for the Giants GM job today: 49ers assistant GM Adam Peters and Director of player personnel Ran Carthon.

After that, expect the Giants to bring in multiple finalists for in-person interviews.
Would love to hear finalists  
bleedgiantsblue : 1/17/2022 10:13 am : link
Later today. Not sure if that is too soon.
9 candidates interviewed in Rd 1  
chick310 : 1/17/2022 10:20 am : link
Maybe 2-3 guys make it to Rd 2 if Mara and Tisch have a different set of favorites.

Or maybe they are in full agreement after Rd 1 and an offer goes out tomorrow?
My expectation  
Sammo85 : 1/17/2022 10:21 am : link
is they will have a top 3 by this evening they feel good about.

I’d be surprised if they didn’t have somebody by end of this week.
RE: 9 candidates interviewed in Rd 1  
chick310 : 1/17/2022 10:22 am : link
In comment 15557492 chick310 said:
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Maybe 2-3 guys make it to Rd 2 if Mara and Tisch have a different set of favorites.

Or maybe they are in full agreement after Rd 1 and an offer goes out tomorrow?


Forgot that Rd 1 interviews weren't in-person. They probably do a Rd 2 then for certain.
I suspect we'll her some unofficial whispers  
UberAlias : 1/17/2022 10:24 am : link
about who made it to the next round later today. I also doubt the names will be a surprise.
I suspect we'll her some unofficial whispers  
UberAlias : 1/17/2022 10:24 am : link
about who made it to the next round later today. I also doubt the names will be a surprise.
I’m going to predict Hortiz, Schoen  
Chris684 : 1/17/2022 10:26 am : link
and Adrian Wilson as a wildcard.
You can almost boil this down to which organizational model do  
Spider56 : 1/17/2022 10:29 am : link
you want to emulate ... the Bills, Ravens, Niners or Cardinals. I’d go with the Ravens. They have been a model of competitive consistency for a lot of years with strong defense and talent based offense. The others still have a lot to prove.
Shoen, Hortiz, and Peters  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/17/2022 10:31 am : link
Would be a solid 3 finalists.

Gotta get the GM & Coach sometime next week I'd think.

Senior Bowl and Shrine Bowl practices upcoming the week after that - gotta have a team in place by then to scout the players.
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ryanmkeane : 1/17/2022 10:31 am : link
If you’re going strictly based on draft results, I’d argue Poles, Peters, and Hortiz are all better options than Schoen.

However, none of these guys actually made the picks so it’s tough to say.
I believe the in-person interviews  
Bill in UT : 1/17/2022 10:36 am : link
have to include at least one minority candidate.
RE: Shoen, Hortiz, and Peters  
mphbullet36 : 1/17/2022 10:44 am : link
In comment 15557507 GiantsRage2007 said:
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Would be a solid 3 finalists.

Gotta get the GM & Coach sometime next week I'd think.

Senior Bowl and Shrine Bowl practices upcoming the week after that - gotta have a team in place by then to scout the players.


I think Peters comes with the most interesting HC hiring if he brings Mike McDaniel. But I don't see him leaving the west coast.
my gut says  
blueblood : 1/17/2022 10:54 am : link
Schoen, Peters, Poles.

I think Schoen has been choice one all along.
RE: my gut says  
mphbullet36 : 1/17/2022 10:56 am : link
In comment 15557549 blueblood said:
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Schoen, Peters, Poles.

I think Schoen has been choice one all along.


Schoen will be a good solid hire if that is the choice...he seems like he would have the least amount of learning curve since his hands are nearly in everything.

He doesn't have the draft record some of the other guys have but in terms of coming in and building a foundation for the front office Schoen seems like the most ready to do that.
What do folks remember about Ran Carthon’s dad  
SamdaGiantsFan : 1/17/2022 10:59 am : link
Former Giant FB Maurice Carthon? Seemed like a tough bruiser for the GMEN in the 80s …
So they’re bringing me in at round 2?  
trueblueinpw : 1/17/2022 11:05 am : link
I’ve been applying on LinkedIn but still no answer.
Carthon was awesome  
LoveFootball : 1/17/2022 11:06 am : link
paving the way for Joe Morris
Schoen, Hortiz, and Poles  
JoeyBigBlue : 1/17/2022 11:35 am : link
I don’t think Peters would take the job honestly. From everything I’ve read, he’s a West Coast guy.
This was part of Peter King's column this morning  
chick310 : 1/17/2022 11:38 am : link
regarding NY Giants.

I think some thoughts on a few of the coach/GM situations are in order:

• NEW YORK GIANTS. They started at Ground Zero late in the week after Dave Gettleman quit as GM and Joe Judge got fired as head coach. “I don’t want to rush into anything,” president and co-owner John Mara said. “We made that mistake in the past.” The last three hires—Ben McAdoo, Pat Shurmur, Judge—show that Mara needs to step aside and let a new voice, a new GM, do this one, because the Giants are in the gutter after seasons of 13, 11, 12, 10 and 13 losses, and now being stuck in salary-cap hell with a bad roster.

Gettleman actually did more harm to the franchise than Judge. He left them as one of five teams in negative cap shape for the 2022 season. Seven players—none of whom is a quarterback—are scheduled to account for 59.8 percent of the team’s cap in 2022, a total of $124.6 million. James Bradberry and Adoree' Jackson are good corners—they’d better be really good for a combined $37.4 million next year. Is Leonard Williams worth 13.1 percent of the cap, at $27.3 million? Is Kenny Golladay (zero TDs this year) worth 10.2 percent of the cap, at $21.2 million? If I’m a GM candidate, I’m telling Mara: Let’s use 2022 as a fix-it year instead of scotch-taping the cap so the pain continues into 2023.

RE: I’m going to predict Hortiz, Schoen  
Biteymax22 : 1/17/2022 11:39 am : link
In comment 15557502 Chris684 said:
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and Adrian Wilson as a wildcard.


Guess I'm not the only one who thinks Wilson was going to be an impressive interview. I've had him as a wildcard as well.
RE: RE: I’m going to predict Hortiz, Schoen  
BigBlueJ : 1/17/2022 11:43 am : link
In comment 15557624 Biteymax22 said:
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and Adrian Wilson as a wildcard.



Guess I'm not the only one who thinks Wilson was going to be an impressive interview. I've had him as a wildcard as well.


I like Wilson as well, but he is the youngest and least experience. I would love to pull him in under Hortiz or Schoen to continue his ascent in rebuilding another team.
RE: This was part of Peter King's column this morning  
Mike from Ohio : 1/17/2022 11:44 am : link
In comment 15557623 chick310 said:
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regarding NY Giants.

I think some thoughts on a few of the coach/GM situations are in order:

• NEW YORK GIANTS. They started at Ground Zero late in the week after Dave Gettleman quit as GM and Joe Judge got fired as head coach. “I don’t want to rush into anything,” president and co-owner John Mara said. “We made that mistake in the past.” The last three hires—Ben McAdoo, Pat Shurmur, Judge—show that Mara needs to step aside and let a new voice, a new GM, do this one, because the Giants are in the gutter after seasons of 13, 11, 12, 10 and 13 losses, and now being stuck in salary-cap hell with a bad roster.

Gettleman actually did more harm to the franchise than Judge. He left them as one of five teams in negative cap shape for the 2022 season. Seven players—none of whom is a quarterback—are scheduled to account for 59.8 percent of the team’s cap in 2022, a total of $124.6 million. James Bradberry and Adoree' Jackson are good corners—they’d better be really good for a combined $37.4 million next year. Is Leonard Williams worth 13.1 percent of the cap, at $27.3 million? Is Kenny Golladay (zero TDs this year) worth 10.2 percent of the cap, at $21.2 million? If I’m a GM candidate, I’m telling Mara: Let’s use 2022 as a fix-it year instead of scotch-taping the cap so the pain continues into 2023.


It is really unimaginable that we had people even at the start of this year still saying they thought Gettleman was doing a good job. I would almost not be surprised to see him running out of the building wearing an Eagles jersey and laughing.
RE: RE: Shoen, Hortiz, and Peters  
Mdgiantsfan : 1/17/2022 11:46 am : link
In comment 15557531 mphbullet36 said:
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Would be a solid 3 finalists.

Gotta get the GM & Coach sometime next week I'd think.

Senior Bowl and Shrine Bowl practices upcoming the week after that - gotta have a team in place by then to scout the players.



I think Peters comes with the most interesting HC hiring if he brings Mike McDaniel. But I don't see him leaving the west coast.


McDaniel doesn’t call plays. Would you be comfortable with a one year OC who has never called plays to be HC?
Not sure fans were directly saying Gettleman was doing  
chick310 : 1/17/2022 11:47 am : link
a good job. Moreso they pointed to some of his drafting and free agency signings as improved, and that he was working well with Judge so let's see how it works out.

RE: Not sure fans were directly saying Gettleman was doing  
Mike from Ohio : 1/17/2022 11:49 am : link
In comment 15557636 chick310 said:
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a good job. Moreso they pointed to some of his drafting and free agency signings as improved, and that he was working well with Judge so let's see how it works out.


My bad. I posted this on the wrong thread. Should have been on the Peter King thread.
RE: RE: Not sure fans were directly saying Gettleman was doing  
chick310 : 1/17/2022 11:54 am : link
In comment 15557639 Mike from Ohio said:
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a good job. Moreso they pointed to some of his drafting and free agency signings as improved, and that he was working well with Judge so let's see how it works out.




My bad. I posted this on the wrong thread. Should have been on the Peter King thread.


Sorry, as I posted that snippet here first, but then realized probably better in the other one.
RE: RE: RE: Shoen, Hortiz, and Peters  
mphbullet36 : 1/17/2022 11:57 am : link
In comment 15557635 Mdgiantsfan said:
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In comment 15557507 GiantsRage2007 said:


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Would be a solid 3 finalists.

Gotta get the GM & Coach sometime next week I'd think.

Senior Bowl and Shrine Bowl practices upcoming the week after that - gotta have a team in place by then to scout the players.



I think Peters comes with the most interesting HC hiring if he brings Mike McDaniel. But I don't see him leaving the west coast.



McDaniel doesn’t call plays. Would you be comfortable with a one year OC who has never called plays to be HC?


that an interesting question...it would be riskier for sure but considering the praise he gets I would have to consider. If he is a big part of there game planning the 49ers constantly are playing with new personnel but always get creative to win and they do it with sub par QB play.

Don't get me wrong Schoen/Daboll I would be very happy with along with Hortiz and whoever he brings too. You could even sell me on Poles.
RE: Schoen, Hortiz, and Poles  
blueblood : 1/17/2022 12:00 pm : link
In comment 15557615 JoeyBigBlue said:
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I don’t think Peters would take the job honestly. From everything I’ve read, he’s a West Coast guy.


Why would you interview for a high profile job you have NO intention of taking?
RE: RE: Schoen, Hortiz, and Poles  
Strahan91 : 1/17/2022 12:18 pm : link
In comment 15557656 blueblood said:
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I don’t think Peters would take the job honestly. From everything I’ve read, he’s a West Coast guy.



Why would you interview for a high profile job you have NO intention of taking?

Not to mention, nobody actually enjoys living in San Francisco anymore. I know a ton of people born and raised in the bay area who have migrated elsewhere over the past couple of years.
RE: RE: 9 candidates interviewed in Rd 1  
TheWalrus : 1/17/2022 12:25 pm : link
In comment 15557496 chick310 said:
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Maybe 2-3 guys make it to Rd 2 if Mara and Tisch have a different set of favorites.

Or maybe they are in full agreement after Rd 1 and an offer goes out tomorrow?



Forgot that Rd 1 interviews weren't in-person. They probably do a Rd 2 then for certain.


Sounds like Round 1 don't count towards Rooney Rule either. So they cannot hire Schoen, Horitz, Peters, or the Titans guys without having an in person interview with a minority candidate first.
RE: RE: Schoen, Hortiz, and Poles  
BigBlueJ : 1/17/2022 12:31 pm : link
In comment 15557656 blueblood said:
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I don’t think Peters would take the job honestly. From everything I’ve read, he’s a West Coast guy.



Why would you interview for a high profile job you have NO intention of taking?


Not unusual. At least in my neck of the woods.
Schoen, Poles and Hortiz were the only  
aimrocky : 1/17/2022 12:34 pm : link
Candidates who did not interview with a colleague. Not saying the other candidates aren’t serious options, but I think they were interviewed more for information gathering on how a collaborative organization should be run.
Also its very possible  
blueblood : 1/17/2022 12:53 pm : link
they are trying to get as many opinions and views about their organization and how to fix it.

Also I have wondered if they were thinking about a 1, 2 punch things..

IE bring in Peters AND Carthon, but I dont know if thats possible.
Three get to Round Two:  
Optimus-NY : 1/17/2022 1:00 pm : link
Horitz, Schoen and Poles

My pick is Horitz with Schoen a close 2nd.
I agree with Peter King  
arniefez : 1/17/2022 1:17 pm : link
take the pain in 2022 and be good to go for 2023
Just got a BR notification  
UGADawgs7 : 1/17/2022 1:23 pm : link
Carthon just finished his interview. Is Peters next, or did that happen?
RE: Just got a BR notification  
JB_in_DC : 1/17/2022 1:25 pm : link
In comment 15557793 UGADawgs7 said:
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Carthon just finished his interview. Is Peters next, or did that happen?


Peters goes now, yes.
This is the hardest Chris Mara has had to work  
Jimmy Googs : 1/17/2022 1:30 pm : link
in a decade...
King is a moron  
dancing blue bear : 1/17/2022 1:48 pm : link
Giants have very little money committed beyond next year, with a massive increase. The only reason to cut a player is if they are not a fit for the new coach.

Jettisoning salary for the sake of it is stupid. Who are you saving it for...Barkley and Jones have not earned a second contract to date.

This division sucks. With good coaching and a good draft, there is no reason the Giants can't compete for the East
RE: I agree with Peter King  
BigBlueJ : 1/17/2022 2:01 pm : link
In comment 15557780 arniefez said:
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take the pain in 2022 and be good to go for 2023

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I think that it pretty academic for any new GM for this situation. The coach might have a different point of view because an L is an L against their resume, so you have to massage that as an organization.
RE: King is a moron  
Jimmy Googs : 1/17/2022 2:08 pm : link
In comment 15557830 dancing blue bear said:
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Giants have very little money committed beyond next year, with a massive increase. The only reason to cut a player is if they are not a fit for the new coach.

Jettisoning salary for the sake of it is stupid. Who are you saving it for...Barkley and Jones have not earned a second contract to date.

This division sucks. With good coaching and a good draft, there is no reason the Giants can't compete for the East


King isn't representing that the fix is just cutting all those players. Probably mean that they should be shopping some this offseason or by the Oct trade deadline if not competitive again (likely won't be). And probably some cuts that create some dead money which nobody likes but that is what kind of shape our moronic GM left this place in. Restructuring Sterling Shepard's deal...good lord.

King has the right sentiments above...
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BeckShepEli : 1/17/2022 2:09 pm : link
I think the final 3 will be Schoen, Peters and Poles. I think Hortiz is a fascinating candidate, but don't think he breaks the top 3. My gut feeling is its between Schoen and Peters. I think Schoen will take it in the end with a phone call from Parcells to get over the top.
I would not rule out Cowden  
Clearwater Joe : 1/17/2022 3:17 pm : link
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RE: I agree with Peter King  
Andrew in Austin : 1/17/2022 3:53 pm : link
In comment 15557780 arniefez said:
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take the pain in 2022 and be good to go for 2023


Agree. I actually don’t think there is a choice given the contracts handed out over the last two years.
If things are running on schedule  
Bill in UT : 1/17/2022 4:02 pm : link
the last 1st round interview should be about over.
RE: RE: I agree with Peter King  
j_rud : 1/17/2022 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15558026 Andrew in Austin said:
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take the pain in 2022 and be good to go for 2023



Agree. I actually don’t think there is a choice given the contracts handed out over the last two years.


I'd love to know if any of the candidates were really candid about this essentially saying "Look, you've gotta get a little blood on your hands next year" and if so what the reaction from ownership was.
RE: RE: I agree with Peter King  
rasbutant : 1/17/2022 4:23 pm : link
In comment 15558026 Andrew in Austin said:
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take the pain in 2022 and be good to go for 2023



Agree. I actually don’t think there is a choice given the contracts handed out over the last two years.


Same broken record. Lets tank the season! Tank Tank Tank, I want draft picks.....Waaaa we lost again, get my pitchfork, blow it all up, I want a new coach every two years! waa waa waa.
Interviews now complete  
Sean : 1/17/2022 4:30 pm : link
Wonder if we hear anything tonight.
Go ahead ...go with the advice of a columnist who  
Spider56 : 1/17/2022 4:34 pm : link
1. Has not created or contributed anything of value relating to the game and
2. Has absolutely no accountability for anything he suggests should he be wrong.

Sheesh.
RE: RE: RE: I agree with Peter King  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/17/2022 11:26 pm : link
In comment 15558060 rasbutant said:
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take the pain in 2022 and be good to go for 2023



Agree. I actually don’t think there is a choice given the contracts handed out over the last two years.



Same broken record. Lets tank the season! Tank Tank Tank, I want draft picks.....Waaaa we lost again, get my pitchfork, blow it all up, I want a new coach every two years! waa waa waa.


4 years of "trying to win" with the wrong leadership in charge has royally effed them.

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