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CBS Sports.com Mock Giants Evan Neal & Tyler Linderbaum

M.S. : 1/17/2022 2:15 pm
By Ryan Wilson

at #5 and #7. Sign me up right now. As in, RIGHT NOW!

Of note is Matt Corral being mocked at #6 to Carolina. A few thoughts:

(1) If the Giants new GM/HC want a brand spanking new QB, then Matt Corral IS the guy IMO;

(2) If they don't want a QB, maybe the Giants #5 becomes a very, very valuable chip in the game;

(3) If Carolina wants to increase their odds of snagging their QB, then a flip flop with our 5 makes a lot of sense;

(4) Or maybe Washington and Denver seek to jump over Carolina into the 5-hole.



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Seems high for Linderbaum but I’ll take it  
illmatic : 1/17/2022 2:24 pm : link
Fix the OL.
This is crazy talk...  
BigBlueJ : 1/17/2022 2:24 pm : link
Why would you EVER use both of these picks at their current value positions to select players respectively. I promise you the next competent GM is trading one of these picks, maybe both, to hoard assets for 2023 (The real QB draft). This is the dream scenario, and you can still build out your offensive line later in the first round and day 2/3. Remember, you have already solved the most difficult position on the oline. LT = Andrew Thomas. Any competent front office can fill in the other positions.
I’d be fine with this.  
Keaton028 : 1/17/2022 2:25 pm : link
Fix the lines. Also, wouldn’t mind Edge or QB in one of those spots.
BBI will be like  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/17/2022 2:28 pm : link
They have 3 QB's going in the top 11  
shadow_spinner0 : 1/17/2022 2:29 pm : link
meaning, if their mock draft plays out the same, we could trade #7 back a little to lets say 9 or 11, get some extra draft capital and still get Linderbaum.
Linderbaum isnt going at 7  
Snablats : 1/17/2022 2:29 pm : link
And Neal I wouldnt touch because of his weight and tendency to lunge

I'd wager they go 0 for 2  
JonC : 1/17/2022 2:29 pm : link
Neal figures to be gone and there will be much better players than Linderbaum to be picked.
RE: This is crazy talk...  
Mike from Ohio : 1/17/2022 2:30 pm : link
In comment 15557881 BigBlueJ said:
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Why would you EVER use both of these picks at their current value positions to select players respectively. I promise you the next competent GM is trading one of these picks, maybe both, to hoard assets for 2023 (The real QB draft). This is the dream scenario, and you can still build out your offensive line later in the first round and day 2/3. Remember, you have already solved the most difficult position on the oline. LT = Andrew Thomas. Any competent front office can fill in the other positions.


If it is so easy to get good Olinemen all up and down the draft, why do so many teams have bad Olines?
RE: BBI will be like  
Saos1n : 1/17/2022 2:30 pm : link
In comment 15557884 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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Exactly
This is a difficult trade year  
DavidinBMNY : 1/17/2022 2:30 pm : link
The consensus is there are less blue chip players this year but overall a deep class particularly at te, s , edge and lb.

I personally think that 2 OL are fine in rd 1, but I’m not sure those 2 are the best. Linderbaum is a pure center ansd Neal is not an LT in the nfl.

I’d rather they get a true tackle that can play either left or right and maybe a more versatile inter ol. I’d be happy with those picks but wonder if that is pure need.
you dont take a center that high  
blueblood : 1/17/2022 2:30 pm : link
you trade down a few spots and get a center..
Be happy I’m not GM lol  
Saos1n : 1/17/2022 2:31 pm : link
Cause if I were, it would be

Neal or Cross at 5, Linderbaum at 7 and Zion in the 2nd

You all would run me out of town lol
And yes, I would attempt to trade down  
Saos1n : 1/17/2022 2:33 pm : link
But if that didn’t work out. I wouldn’t hesitate to pull the trigger on the above
RE: you dont take a center that high  
Stan in LA : 1/17/2022 2:33 pm : link
In comment 15557894 blueblood said:
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you trade down a few spots and get a center..

They said that about Quinton Nelson as a guard taken in top 5. How'd that work out for Indy?
Id be happy with that  
bluetothegrave : 1/17/2022 2:34 pm : link
I would rather trade 7 for a lower 1 a 2 and a 3 but Id gladly take those 2 set it and forget it studs.
Don’t want Neal  
UGADawgs7 : 1/17/2022 2:36 pm : link
I want Cross and if they trade down a few spots from 7, fine. Looking at Becton, Neal size is scary. And I’ve said a bunch had heard people saying LT transition to RT is a lot more doable vs RT to LT transition. If they can move down to the teens and get capital next year, maybe get Green later as an OG, maybe Kennard but he will need to lose 10 pounds or so.
You don't need 3  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/17/2022 2:36 pm : link
Top 7 picks on the O Line

For many reasons.

-Hire competent coaches to coach up picks made in rounds 2,3,4+. Everyone else does it!
-It's a misuse of draft capital, you leave higher graded players at other positions on the board
-You'll end up with wayyyy too much cap space dedicated to the O line when you resign them all (or worse, when you don't)
if KT, Hutch, or Neal are gone by 5  
mphbullet36 : 1/17/2022 2:42 pm : link
I would very much be fielding calls for #5. Maybe a team wants to jump the panthers for the 1st QB off the board.
The NFL Does NOT Value Centers That Highly  
Jim in Tampa : 1/17/2022 2:46 pm : link
I posted this on another Linderbaum thread, not as my opinion, but as a fact.

The NFL has not drafted a center in the top 10 in 54 years.

Think about that for a second.

That means every GM on every team in the top 10 for 53 straight drafts saw better value in other players at other positions.

Hopefully the Giants don't break this trend and they pass on Linderbaum for one of the many players that are a better value.

I’d be fine with it  
jeff57 : 1/17/2022 2:47 pm : link
Same with Okwonu and Linderbaum or Neal and Okwonu.
I would rather select Neal at 5  
Jay on the Island : 1/17/2022 2:51 pm : link
Then trade down and select Ojabo.If they couldn't trade down still take Ojabo at 7.

I wouldn't be disappointed if the Giants took Evan Neal at 5 and Charles Cross at 7. I know some would be puzzled by going OT with both picks but I would play Cross at RT and move Neal to LG. I think Neal could be an all-pro guard plus he would provide incredible value as he can also play OT. If Andrew Thomas or Cross are injured then Neal could move outside without a drop off in play.
RE: I’d be fine with it  
Jay on the Island : 1/17/2022 2:53 pm : link
In comment 15557920 jeff57 said:
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Same with Okwonu and Linderbaum or Neal and Okwonu.

It would be incredible if the Giants landed both Neal and Okwonu in round 1. Many scouts believe that Okwonu is a better fit at guard where he could be one of the best guards in football. Players like Okwonu are even more valuable because of their versatility. If Okwonu struggled at OT he can still provide value as a quality guard.
Cant take 2 OL  
Snablats : 1/17/2022 3:06 pm : link
When you desperately need a front 7 defensive playmaker. And you shouldnt sit at 5 and 7 since there are several OL 1st rounders this year. Trade down with one of the picks if you can

Ojabo is an athlete trying to play football. Completely disappeared vs UGA. You would be hoping he develops in a few years. No thanks. Give me someone who produces for sure now, not hoping to develop because he is an athlete
I like Neal. Like Ekwonu. Love Cross.  
j_rud : 1/17/2022 3:07 pm : link
I don't know about Linderbaum. I haven't seen a whole lot of him. 290 seems pretty light but then again Jason Kelce has been one of the best in the business for a decade. If you think he's that kind of player obviously you take him at 7. On the flip side, you'd essentially be calling him the best C prospect in the history of the draft.

I understand being enamored with taking 2 OL given the state of the team. But there are needs up and down the roster and likely to be better players available at 7. Personally I'd rather go with Hamilton at 5 and hope one of the OTs is available at 7. If not there's still no reason to panic, the draft is deep at the position and they have a lot of day 2 picks to play with.
RE: Linderbaum isnt going at 7  
BigBlueBuff : 1/17/2022 3:09 pm : link
In comment 15557886 Snablats said:
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And Neal I wouldnt touch because of his weight and tendency to lunge

Haha, okay.
No, no and double no  
arniefez : 1/17/2022 3:14 pm : link
Too much capital in one area for me. If one of the OTs grades out to be a good value at #5 I hope the Giants jump on that. WIth #7 I'm looking to trade back or for a LB if there's no edge worth that pick or even a WR if there is one worth that slot.

The Giants do not have a #1 receiver. It's down the list but if that's the BPA I hope they don't force someone like Dexter Lawrence or an OL who is an average starter that could have been filled in the later rounds.

Thomas was the #4 pick and will need to be paid. Grab a bookend for him and fill in the middle with good but cost effective players. Good teams don't need 3 top 10 picks to make a good OL. I think the Giants need more power and speed on the defensive front almost as much as they need OL.
The Kelce to Linderbaum comparisons need to stop  
Sy'56 : 1/17/2022 3:15 pm : link
They aren't similar at all.

If you want a prospect that moves like Kelce, look at Cam Jurgens from Nebraska.
RE: Cant take 2 OL  
jeff57 : 1/17/2022 3:17 pm : link
In comment 15557963 Snablats said:
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When you desperately need a front 7 defensive playmaker. And you shouldnt sit at 5 and 7 since there are several OL 1st rounders this year. Trade down with one of the picks if you can

Ojabo is an athlete trying to play football. Completely disappeared vs UGA. You would be hoping he develops in a few years. No thanks. Give me someone who produces for sure now, not hoping to develop because he is an athlete


If Thibodeaux and Hutchinson are gone, there are front 7 Ds better than the OL we’re talking about. Some may say Karlaftis, but I’m not so sure especially if the Giants stay in 3-4. But there are several good front 7 players who will be available on day 2.
RE: The Kelce to Linderbaum comparisons need to stop  
j_rud : 1/17/2022 3:31 pm : link
In comment 15557979 Sy'56 said:
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They aren't similar at all.

If you want a prospect that moves like Kelce, look at Cam Jurgens from Nebraska.


I didn't mean to compare them beyond their similar weight, like I said I haven't seen much of him. Honestly didn't know those comparisons were a thing.
RE: The Kelce to Linderbaum comparisons need to stop  
Bill in UT : 1/17/2022 3:32 pm : link
In comment 15557979 Sy'56 said:
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They aren't similar at all.

If you want a prospect that moves like Kelce, look at Cam Jurgens from Nebraska.


Sy, are you saying that Jurgens is better than Linderbaum, or just more similar to Kelce's style? Any chance you could give us a look at your current Top 10, if that exists at this point?
I would think that a discussion of  
Bill in UT : 1/17/2022 3:34 pm : link
who to take at 5 and 7 has come up in the Giants' GM interviews, so they'd be going into this draft with better information than they usually have.
RE: RE: The Kelce to Linderbaum comparisons need to stop  
Sy'56 : 1/17/2022 3:42 pm : link
In comment 15558001 Bill in UT said:
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In comment 15557979 Sy'56 said:


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They aren't similar at all.

If you want a prospect that moves like Kelce, look at Cam Jurgens from Nebraska.



Sy, are you saying that Jurgens is better than Linderbaum, or just more similar to Kelce's style? Any chance you could give us a look at your current Top 10, if that exists at this point?


No, Linderbaum is ahead of Jurgens. But the skill set Jurgens plays with his closer to Kelce if you are looking for the athlete at that position.

Linderbaum is more Bradbury (MIN)
And Bill  
Sy'56 : 1/17/2022 3:43 pm : link
re: top 10....

I have a very fluid stack system right now. Still have a ton of all-22 to grind through. Getting hours in every day though.

There may be some changes with who I work for soon...so it is possible how quick I pump put ranks/stacks will be sooner. The combine and pro days are needed for my final grades though.
RE: The NFL Does NOT Value Centers That Highly  
shyster : 1/17/2022 3:43 pm : link
In comment 15557918 Jim in Tampa said:
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I posted this on another Linderbaum thread, not as my opinion, but as a fact.

The NFL has not drafted a center in the top 10 in 54 years.




I had to look up who that was.

Paul Brown selected Bob Johnson number 2 overall for the Bengals' first ever draft pick in the 1968 draft.

Johnson played for a decade without making a Pro Bowl. There were seven future Hall of Famers who went later in that draft.

Paul Brown was born in 1908, which might have had something to do with his decision that drafting a center was the way to go.
RE: RE: Cant take 2 OL  
Snablats : 1/17/2022 3:48 pm : link
In comment 15557981 jeff57 said:
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In comment 15557963 Snablats said:


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When you desperately need a front 7 defensive playmaker. And you shouldnt sit at 5 and 7 since there are several OL 1st rounders this year. Trade down with one of the picks if you can

Ojabo is an athlete trying to play football. Completely disappeared vs UGA. You would be hoping he develops in a few years. No thanks. Give me someone who produces for sure now, not hoping to develop because he is an athlete



If Thibodeaux and Hutchinson are gone, there are front 7 Ds better than the OL we’re talking about. Some may say Karlaftis, but I’m not so sure especially if the Giants stay in 3-4. But there are several good front 7 players who will be available on day 2.

My feeling is the Giants need a guy like Dean in the middle of the field - sideline to sideline, incredibly smart, incredibly fast. He is who I want at 5 or 7, with a trade down in 1st round to take an OL. Who in the 2nd or 3rd round is Dean? Maybe Christian Harris at the top of round 2, but what if he doesnt make it to the Giants pick?
RE: RE: The NFL Does NOT Value Centers That Highly  
Bill in UT : 1/17/2022 3:56 pm : link
In comment 15558015 shyster said:
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The NFL has not drafted a center in the top 10 in 54 years.


I had to look up who that was.

Paul Brown selected Bob Johnson number 2 overall for the Bengals' first ever draft pick in the 1968 draft.

Johnson played for a decade without making a Pro Bowl. There were seven future Hall of Famers who went later in that draft.



The problem wasn't that he drafted a center, the problem was that he drafted a guy at 2 who wasn't a great player. If he had drafted a HOF center, it would have been a good pick
Snablats  
cosmicj : 1/17/2022 3:59 pm : link
I agree that a very good MLB at one of those spots would make a ton of sense if the player grades out.
We probably got upwards of  
Bill in UT : 1/17/2022 4:01 pm : link
10 starters who need to be replaced. That's not all gonna happen in one draft.
Ojabo and Ekwonu  
Capt. Don : 1/17/2022 4:08 pm : link
If Stingley is somehow there, substitute him for Ojabo.
RE: The NFL Does NOT Value Centers That Highly  
joeinpa : 1/17/2022 4:11 pm : link
In comment 15557918 Jim in Tampa said:
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I posted this on another Linderbaum thread, not as my opinion, but as a fact.

The NFL has not drafted a center in the top 10 in 54 years.

Think about that for a second.

That means every GM on every team in the top 10 for 53 straight drafts saw better value in other players at other positions.

Hopefully the Giants don't break this trend and they pass on Linderbaum for one of the many players that are a better value.


Can’t argue with this, 54 years!

Linderbaum could be Richburg all over again. I didn’t come to that conclusion on my own, but heard that theory on one of the thousand podcasts I listen to. Maybe Skinner?
Cross who is who sounds the best to me  
Giantimistic : 1/17/2022 4:29 pm : link
I have only to go on what I read here, but I want two tackles that can play left or right tackle.

We talk of being set with Thomas because he is excellent, which is true, but what happens if he gets hurt--there goes any chance of a season.

I want two top tackles and a guard that can swing out to tackle like we had with Diehl.

Not only do we need to build a solid 5 on oline, but we need a solid 8. They will all play in the course of a season.

RE: RE: RE: Cant take 2 OL  
jeff57 : 1/17/2022 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15558021 Snablats said:
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In comment 15557963 Snablats said:


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When you desperately need a front 7 defensive playmaker. And you shouldnt sit at 5 and 7 since there are several OL 1st rounders this year. Trade down with one of the picks if you can

Ojabo is an athlete trying to play football. Completely disappeared vs UGA. You would be hoping he develops in a few years. No thanks. Give me someone who produces for sure now, not hoping to develop because he is an athlete



If Thibodeaux and Hutchinson are gone, there are front 7 Ds better than the OL we’re talking about. Some may say Karlaftis, but I’m not so sure especially if the Giants stay in 3-4. But there are several good front 7 players who will be available on day 2.


My feeling is the Giants need a guy like Dean in the middle of the field - sideline to sideline, incredibly smart, incredibly fast. He is who I want at 5 or 7, with a trade down in 1st round to take an OL. Who in the 2nd or 3rd round is Dean? Maybe Christian Harris at the top of round 2, but what if he doesnt make it to the Giants pick?


Damone Clark of LSU and Chad Muma of Wyoming are two others. And I like Devin Lloyd better than Dean.
My ideal scenario  
Matt M. : 1/17/2022 4:37 pm : link
is we trade down one of those picks and end up with Cross and Linderbaum. I don't want to hear about positional value. We have 4 black holes on the OL and outside LT OC is probably the most difficult to fill via draft or FA. Both Cross and Linderbaum would start from day one and Linderbaum is the best OC we would have had since O'Hara. Who would they add who would be better?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Cant take 2 OL  
Snablats : 1/17/2022 5:46 pm : link
In comment 15558066 jeff57 said:
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In comment 15558021 Snablats said:


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In comment 15557981 jeff57 said:


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In comment 15557963 Snablats said:


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When you desperately need a front 7 defensive playmaker. And you shouldnt sit at 5 and 7 since there are several OL 1st rounders this year. Trade down with one of the picks if you can

Ojabo is an athlete trying to play football. Completely disappeared vs UGA. You would be hoping he develops in a few years. No thanks. Give me someone who produces for sure now, not hoping to develop because he is an athlete



If Thibodeaux and Hutchinson are gone, there are front 7 Ds better than the OL we’re talking about. Some may say Karlaftis, but I’m not so sure especially if the Giants stay in 3-4. But there are several good front 7 players who will be available on day 2.


My feeling is the Giants need a guy like Dean in the middle of the field - sideline to sideline, incredibly smart, incredibly fast. He is who I want at 5 or 7, with a trade down in 1st round to take an OL. Who in the 2nd or 3rd round is Dean? Maybe Christian Harris at the top of round 2, but what if he doesnt make it to the Giants pick?



Damone Clark of LSU and Chad Muma of Wyoming are two others. And I like Devin Lloyd better than Dean.

Neither one is close to Dean. I liked Lloyd better than Dean until the bowl games. Lloyd looked like Crowder while Dean was everywhere against Michigan and Alabama
RE: RE: This is crazy talk...  
PatersonPlank : 1/17/2022 6:24 pm : link
In comment 15557890 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 15557881 BigBlueJ said:


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Why would you EVER use both of these picks at their current value positions to select players respectively. I promise you the next competent GM is trading one of these picks, maybe both, to hoard assets for 2023 (The real QB draft). This is the dream scenario, and you can still build out your offensive line later in the first round and day 2/3. Remember, you have already solved the most difficult position on the oline. LT = Andrew Thomas. Any competent front office can fill in the other positions.



If it is so easy to get good Olinemen all up and down the draft, why do so many teams have bad Olines?


Brandon Scherff sucks
I'd love this draft, and I certainly don't want to take Corral  
PatersonPlank : 1/17/2022 6:25 pm : link
with a top pick. This draft works for me
I’d be  
Beer Man : 1/17/2022 8:55 pm : link
Elated!!!
RE: The NFL Does NOT Value Centers That Highly  
David B. : 1/18/2022 5:09 pm : link
The NFL hasn't had to live with the Giants OL for the last 10 years. Draft me a 15-year HOF Center -- go on, I dare you.
Picking a C with the 7th overall pick  
Blue92 : 1/18/2022 5:16 pm : link
would be up there with picking a RB with the 2nd overall pick. If we do that, we may as well have kept Gettleman.
There is no way that happens.
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