By Ryan Wilson
at #5 and #7. Sign me up right now. As in, RIGHT NOW!
Of note is Matt Corral being mocked at #6 to Carolina. A few thoughts:
(1) If the Giants new GM/HC want a brand spanking new QB, then Matt Corral IS the guy IMO;
(2) If they don't want a QB, maybe the Giants #5 becomes a very, very valuable chip in the game;
(3) If Carolina wants to increase their odds of snagging their QB, then a flip flop with our 5 makes a lot of sense;
(4) Or maybe Washington and Denver seek to jump over Carolina into the 5-hole.
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If it is so easy to get good Olinemen all up and down the draft, why do so many teams have bad Olines?
Exactly
I personally think that 2 OL are fine in rd 1, but I’m not sure those 2 are the best. Linderbaum is a pure center ansd Neal is not an LT in the nfl.
I’d rather they get a true tackle that can play either left or right and maybe a more versatile inter ol. I’d be happy with those picks but wonder if that is pure need.
Neal or Cross at 5, Linderbaum at 7 and Zion in the 2nd
You all would run me out of town lol
They said that about Quinton Nelson as a guard taken in top 5. How'd that work out for Indy?
For many reasons.
-Hire competent coaches to coach up picks made in rounds 2,3,4+. Everyone else does it!
-It's a misuse of draft capital, you leave higher graded players at other positions on the board
-You'll end up with wayyyy too much cap space dedicated to the O line when you resign them all (or worse, when you don't)
The NFL has not drafted a center in the top 10 in 54 years.
Think about that for a second.
That means every GM on every team in the top 10 for 53 straight drafts saw better value in other players at other positions.
Hopefully the Giants don't break this trend and they pass on Linderbaum for one of the many players that are a better value.
I wouldn't be disappointed if the Giants took Evan Neal at 5 and Charles Cross at 7. I know some would be puzzled by going OT with both picks but I would play Cross at RT and move Neal to LG. I think Neal could be an all-pro guard plus he would provide incredible value as he can also play OT. If Andrew Thomas or Cross are injured then Neal could move outside without a drop off in play.
It would be incredible if the Giants landed both Neal and Okwonu in round 1. Many scouts believe that Okwonu is a better fit at guard where he could be one of the best guards in football. Players like Okwonu are even more valuable because of their versatility. If Okwonu struggled at OT he can still provide value as a quality guard.
Ojabo is an athlete trying to play football. Completely disappeared vs UGA. You would be hoping he develops in a few years. No thanks. Give me someone who produces for sure now, not hoping to develop because he is an athlete
I understand being enamored with taking 2 OL given the state of the team. But there are needs up and down the roster and likely to be better players available at 7. Personally I'd rather go with Hamilton at 5 and hope one of the OTs is available at 7. If not there's still no reason to panic, the draft is deep at the position and they have a lot of day 2 picks to play with.
Haha, okay.
The Giants do not have a #1 receiver. It's down the list but if that's the BPA I hope they don't force someone like Dexter Lawrence or an OL who is an average starter that could have been filled in the later rounds.
Thomas was the #4 pick and will need to be paid. Grab a bookend for him and fill in the middle with good but cost effective players. Good teams don't need 3 top 10 picks to make a good OL. I think the Giants need more power and speed on the defensive front almost as much as they need OL.
If you want a prospect that moves like Kelce, look at Cam Jurgens from Nebraska.
Ojabo is an athlete trying to play football. Completely disappeared vs UGA. You would be hoping he develops in a few years. No thanks. Give me someone who produces for sure now, not hoping to develop because he is an athlete
If Thibodeaux and Hutchinson are gone, there are front 7 Ds better than the OL we’re talking about. Some may say Karlaftis, but I’m not so sure especially if the Giants stay in 3-4. But there are several good front 7 players who will be available on day 2.
If you want a prospect that moves like Kelce, look at Cam Jurgens from Nebraska.
I didn't mean to compare them beyond their similar weight, like I said I haven't seen much of him. Honestly didn't know those comparisons were a thing.
If you want a prospect that moves like Kelce, look at Cam Jurgens from Nebraska.
Sy, are you saying that Jurgens is better than Linderbaum, or just more similar to Kelce's style? Any chance you could give us a look at your current Top 10, if that exists at this point?
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They aren't similar at all.
If you want a prospect that moves like Kelce, look at Cam Jurgens from Nebraska.
Sy, are you saying that Jurgens is better than Linderbaum, or just more similar to Kelce's style? Any chance you could give us a look at your current Top 10, if that exists at this point?
No, Linderbaum is ahead of Jurgens. But the skill set Jurgens plays with his closer to Kelce if you are looking for the athlete at that position.
Linderbaum is more Bradbury (MIN)
I have a very fluid stack system right now. Still have a ton of all-22 to grind through. Getting hours in every day though.
There may be some changes with who I work for soon...so it is possible how quick I pump put ranks/stacks will be sooner. The combine and pro days are needed for my final grades though.
The NFL has not drafted a center in the top 10 in 54 years.
I had to look up who that was.
Paul Brown selected Bob Johnson number 2 overall for the Bengals' first ever draft pick in the 1968 draft.
Johnson played for a decade without making a Pro Bowl. There were seven future Hall of Famers who went later in that draft.
Paul Brown was born in 1908, which might have had something to do with his decision that drafting a center was the way to go.
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When you desperately need a front 7 defensive playmaker. And you shouldnt sit at 5 and 7 since there are several OL 1st rounders this year. Trade down with one of the picks if you can
Ojabo is an athlete trying to play football. Completely disappeared vs UGA. You would be hoping he develops in a few years. No thanks. Give me someone who produces for sure now, not hoping to develop because he is an athlete
If Thibodeaux and Hutchinson are gone, there are front 7 Ds better than the OL we’re talking about. Some may say Karlaftis, but I’m not so sure especially if the Giants stay in 3-4. But there are several good front 7 players who will be available on day 2.
My feeling is the Giants need a guy like Dean in the middle of the field - sideline to sideline, incredibly smart, incredibly fast. He is who I want at 5 or 7, with a trade down in 1st round to take an OL. Who in the 2nd or 3rd round is Dean? Maybe Christian Harris at the top of round 2, but what if he doesnt make it to the Giants pick?
The NFL has not drafted a center in the top 10 in 54 years.
I had to look up who that was.
Paul Brown selected Bob Johnson number 2 overall for the Bengals' first ever draft pick in the 1968 draft.
Johnson played for a decade without making a Pro Bowl. There were seven future Hall of Famers who went later in that draft.
The problem wasn't that he drafted a center, the problem was that he drafted a guy at 2 who wasn't a great player. If he had drafted a HOF center, it would have been a good pick
The NFL has not drafted a center in the top 10 in 54 years.
Think about that for a second.
That means every GM on every team in the top 10 for 53 straight drafts saw better value in other players at other positions.
Hopefully the Giants don't break this trend and they pass on Linderbaum for one of the many players that are a better value.
Can’t argue with this, 54 years!
Linderbaum could be Richburg all over again. I didn’t come to that conclusion on my own, but heard that theory on one of the thousand podcasts I listen to. Maybe Skinner?
We talk of being set with Thomas because he is excellent, which is true, but what happens if he gets hurt--there goes any chance of a season.
I want two top tackles and a guard that can swing out to tackle like we had with Diehl.
Not only do we need to build a solid 5 on oline, but we need a solid 8. They will all play in the course of a season.
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When you desperately need a front 7 defensive playmaker. And you shouldnt sit at 5 and 7 since there are several OL 1st rounders this year. Trade down with one of the picks if you can
Ojabo is an athlete trying to play football. Completely disappeared vs UGA. You would be hoping he develops in a few years. No thanks. Give me someone who produces for sure now, not hoping to develop because he is an athlete
If Thibodeaux and Hutchinson are gone, there are front 7 Ds better than the OL we’re talking about. Some may say Karlaftis, but I’m not so sure especially if the Giants stay in 3-4. But there are several good front 7 players who will be available on day 2.
My feeling is the Giants need a guy like Dean in the middle of the field - sideline to sideline, incredibly smart, incredibly fast. He is who I want at 5 or 7, with a trade down in 1st round to take an OL. Who in the 2nd or 3rd round is Dean? Maybe Christian Harris at the top of round 2, but what if he doesnt make it to the Giants pick?
Damone Clark of LSU and Chad Muma of Wyoming are two others. And I like Devin Lloyd better than Dean.
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In comment 15557963 Snablats said:
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When you desperately need a front 7 defensive playmaker. And you shouldnt sit at 5 and 7 since there are several OL 1st rounders this year. Trade down with one of the picks if you can
Ojabo is an athlete trying to play football. Completely disappeared vs UGA. You would be hoping he develops in a few years. No thanks. Give me someone who produces for sure now, not hoping to develop because he is an athlete
If Thibodeaux and Hutchinson are gone, there are front 7 Ds better than the OL we’re talking about. Some may say Karlaftis, but I’m not so sure especially if the Giants stay in 3-4. But there are several good front 7 players who will be available on day 2.
My feeling is the Giants need a guy like Dean in the middle of the field - sideline to sideline, incredibly smart, incredibly fast. He is who I want at 5 or 7, with a trade down in 1st round to take an OL. Who in the 2nd or 3rd round is Dean? Maybe Christian Harris at the top of round 2, but what if he doesnt make it to the Giants pick?
Damone Clark of LSU and Chad Muma of Wyoming are two others. And I like Devin Lloyd better than Dean.
Neither one is close to Dean. I liked Lloyd better than Dean until the bowl games. Lloyd looked like Crowder while Dean was everywhere against Michigan and Alabama
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Why would you EVER use both of these picks at their current value positions to select players respectively. I promise you the next competent GM is trading one of these picks, maybe both, to hoard assets for 2023 (The real QB draft). This is the dream scenario, and you can still build out your offensive line later in the first round and day 2/3. Remember, you have already solved the most difficult position on the oline. LT = Andrew Thomas. Any competent front office can fill in the other positions.
If it is so easy to get good Olinemen all up and down the draft, why do so many teams have bad Olines?
Brandon Scherff sucks
There is no way that happens.