I wish him well, would like to see him re-establish himself.
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Former Giants head coach and current Cowboys consultant Ben McAdoo will interview for the Panthers’ offensive coordinator job Tuesday, per league sources.
but a little bit of time has already made him a more sympathetic figure IMO. And bottom line as an OC is that Eli and the O saw a huge bump in production when he arrived.
was a train wreck. I'd like to see him stay in the division so he could continue to work his wonders.
His one winning season with the Giants was the result of a weak schedule, a half-decent DC, some left over D talent and him keeping offense very vanilla so he didn't screw it up. After that, he ran out of common sense.
No idea where this idea of McAdoo being a good coordinator is coming from. He fell apart without TC's influence on the offense. When he took over he took over he changed things and we had two terrible offensive seasons.
Good for him. Hope he is able to get another gig as a
And Jones could have been productive in that offense. Then I realized that the only reason McAdoo’s offense looked good was because of Eli’s ability to make pre-snap reads and make quick decisions about where to go with the ball.
He was put in a tough position here with an aging QB that ownership did not want to let go. There was no good way to bench Eli, but he tried to let him start and then come out but Eli wouldn't do it. When it went south Mara left McAdoo out to dry in the media.
That is the most glaring example of why John Mara should not be involved in football discussion. Who plays QB should be the coaches call 100%.
No idea where this idea of McAdoo being a good coordinator is coming from. He fell apart without TC's influence on the offense. When he took over he took over he changed things and we had two terrible offensive seasons.
How was the TC offense in 2013?
Using the choose your own adventure method for what you choose to credit/discredit one for is a bad way to discredit someone
was a train wreck. I'd like to see him stay in the division so he could continue to work his wonders.
His one winning season with the Giants was the result of a weak schedule, a half-decent DC, some left over D talent and him keeping offense very vanilla so he didn't screw it up. After that, he ran out of common sense.
Yes winning close games has zero to do with coaching. Yes we preferred 2015 with big empty stats for the qb and no wins
I'm sure it's been challenging for him to get another opportunity after the way Mara treated him. The league may have looked at the situation as Mac defying direct orders from the owner. Which, of course he didn't. A real scarlet letter.
Maybe Mara is offering a good reference and clearing the air on the situation with Geno-Gate.
No idea where this idea of McAdoo being a good coordinator is coming from. He fell apart without TC's influence on the offense. When he took over he took over he changed things and we had two terrible offensive seasons.
How was the TC offense in 2013?
Using the choose your own adventure method for what you choose to credit/discredit one for is a bad way to discredit someone
Not sure what your point is. TC heavily influenced the offense in 2014/15 where they were throwing the ball down the field. Even McAdoo called it a hybrid. Then you see a very big falloff in 16/17. So again, I have no idea what your point is. I just stated facts. Look them up yourself and you will see the same.
No idea where this idea of McAdoo being a good coordinator is coming from. He fell apart without TC's influence on the offense. When he took over he took over he changed things and we had two terrible offensive seasons.
This. Hopefully he bought a new suit for the Zoom.
No idea where this idea of McAdoo being a good coordinator is coming from. He fell apart without TC's influence on the offense. When he took over he took over he changed things and we had two terrible offensive seasons.
This. Hopefully he bought a new suit for the Zoom.
Oh lawd, absolutely this
This is one of the reasons why moving on from Judge was the right call
What promising or big name offensive coordinator candidate is going to jump at the chance to work with a coach whose likely going to be fired in 12 months?
Bill O'Brien is not leaving Bama to work under Rhule. Ken Dorsey is going to wait to see if he can replace Daboll in Buffalo or follow him to his next stop. Matt Nagy is going to see if he can replace Bieniemy in Kansas City or follow Pederson somewhere. Etc. Etc. The best OC names available don't want to attach themselves to a sinking ship.
Rhule was supposed to get a "Rockstar" OC. I wish no ill will towards McAdoo and hope he finds success, but he is definitely not a "rockstar." If we had kept Judge, we'd be in the same boat.
No idea where this idea of McAdoo being a good coordinator is coming from. He fell apart without TC's influence on the offense. When he took over he took over he changed things and we had two terrible offensive seasons.
How was the TC offense in 2013?
Using the choose your own adventure method for what you choose to credit/discredit one for is a bad way to discredit someone
ah yes. The year everyone including the owner, everyone panicked. Andre Brown leading rusher. Peyton Hollis second in the team in carries. Jernigan catching 29 passes. Myers the tight end.
No idea where this idea of McAdoo being a good coordinator is coming from. He fell apart without TC's influence on the offense. When he took over he took over he changed things and we had two terrible offensive seasons.
How was the TC offense in 2013?
Using the choose your own adventure method for what you choose to credit/discredit one for is a bad way to discredit someone
ah yes. The year everyone including the owner, everyone panicked. Andre Brown leading rusher. Peyton Hollis second in the team in carries. Jernigan catching 29 passes. Myers the tight end.
No idea where this idea of McAdoo being a good coordinator is coming from. He fell apart without TC's influence on the offense. When he took over he took over he changed things and we had two terrible offensive seasons.
How was the TC offense in 2013?
Using the choose your own adventure method for what you choose to credit/discredit one for is a bad way to discredit someone
ah yes. The year everyone including the owner, everyone panicked. Andre Brown leading rusher. Peyton Hollis second in the team in carries. Jernigan catching 29 passes. Myers the tight end.
So we will use excuses for some people-
To fit the narrative of choice
Well done - so 2017 bad offense was …. Coaching…. 13 was panic- perfect
No idea where this idea of McAdoo being a good coordinator is coming from. He fell apart without TC's influence on the offense. When he took over he took over he changed things and we had two terrible offensive seasons.
How was the TC offense in 2013?
Using the choose your own adventure method for what you choose to credit/discredit one for is a bad way to discredit someone
Not sure what your point is. TC heavily influenced the offense in 2014/15 where they were throwing the ball down the field. Even McAdoo called it a hybrid. Then you see a very big falloff in 16/17. So again, I have no idea what your point is. I just stated facts. Look them up yourself and you will see the same.
So did mcadoo lead a better offense as coordinator in 14 then what was going on from midway 12 to end 13?
But he was just doing tc offense? Which had stopped working-
I’ll be sure to sure to keep an eye out for future insights from you. I have too much respect for both TC and KG to continue on this one and see zero need to debate.
I believe his term here as OC saw an offense heavily influenced by Coughlin. It was more of a hybrid WCO. Once he became HC, that offense changed a lot in terms of personnel packages, playcalling, route trees, etc. So, another shot focused just as OC would be interesting.
How was the TC offense in 2013?
Using the choose your own adventure method for what you choose to credit/discredit one for is a bad way to discredit someone
That's fair, I think McAdoo brought in some new ideas, but the change in his offense with TC and post-TC was pretty drastic, and I'm not just talking about production.
He had the same problem Kingsbury has today - repeatedly using the same personnel packages and formations. At least Kingsbury moves his WR's around. NFL offenses can't survive today without diversification.
That said, I'm sure he's learned a few things in his time away from the game. I wish him luck, I'm just not sure Carolina is the place he'll find it.
re-worked Eli's footwork and sped up his throwing cadence, making it more aligned with the WCO routes he introduced into the Giants' offence. And that was needed, given the state of the OL at that point. But, and a big but, Coughlin clearly had a huge influence over the overall offensive philosophy, the mix of plays, and the use of the running game. The poster above is correct that the offense was a hybrid between TC's traditional use of the run and deep passing and McAdoo's WCO. Once TC got the boot, we all saw what McAdoo's offense by itself looked like.
and I think a big part of the offensive drop off when he became head coach was the continued deterioration of the roster rather than a scheme issue. The offense has been awful since he left as we all know.
re-worked Eli's footwork and sped up his throwing cadence, making it more aligned with the WCO routes he introduced into the Giants' offence. And that was needed, given the state of the OL at that point. But, and a big but, Coughlin clearly had a huge influence over the overall offensive philosophy, the mix of plays, and the use of the running game. The poster above is correct that the offense was a hybrid between TC's traditional use of the run and deep passing and McAdoo's WCO. Once TC got the boot, we all saw what McAdoo's offense by itself looked like.
Generally agree.
Recall thinking that only thing a West Coast Offense got Giants was shrinking the field making it easier for Defenses to attack both the running and passing game.
When he (and most of BBI) panicked the year Eli threw 27 picks. Had nothing to do with the fact that the rb position got wiped out, and Andre Brown was the leading rusher with Peyton Hillis coming off his couch to be second on the team in carries. Or Myers as the TE or Jernigan as the #3 wideout. Nah, "the offense had stopped working."
So Jawn, as is his wont, panics and forces out Gilbride, one of the most innovative offensive minds in the NFL, and latches onto this shambling nothing because "he had been in GB, and that Rodgers guy does good so, he must be a qb guru."
Anyway, once Fredo is HC,let's now take a vet qb whose best attributes are his downfield throwing ability and his brain which makes him a coach on the field and turn him into a 4 yard out game manager with one personnel package.
McAdoo must know someone's brother in law who got him a courtesy zoom interview. The Panthers can't be serious.
RE: This is one of the reasons why moving on from Judge was the right call
What promising or big name offensive coordinator candidate is going to jump at the chance to work with a coach whose likely going to be fired in 12 months?
Bill O'Brien is not leaving Bama to work under Rhule. Ken Dorsey is going to wait to see if he can replace Daboll in Buffalo or follow him to his next stop. Matt Nagy is going to see if he can replace Bieniemy in Kansas City or follow Pederson somewhere. Etc. Etc. The best OC names available don't want to attach themselves to a sinking ship.
Rhule was supposed to get a "Rockstar" OC. I wish no ill will towards McAdoo and hope he finds success, but he is definitely not a "rockstar." If we had kept Judge, we'd be in the same boat.
I actually wonder how differently things would have progressed had Spags been promoted to HC and McAdoo just focused on rebuilding the offense.
His one winning season with the Giants was the result of a weak schedule, a half-decent DC, some left over D talent and him keeping offense very vanilla so he didn't screw it up. After that, he ran out of common sense.
ok. like re-arranging chairs on the titantic
That is the most glaring example of why John Mara should not be involved in football discussion. Who plays QB should be the coaches call 100%.
How was the TC offense in 2013?
Using the choose your own adventure method for what you choose to credit/discredit one for is a bad way to discredit someone
His one winning season with the Giants was the result of a weak schedule, a half-decent DC, some left over D talent and him keeping offense very vanilla so he didn't screw it up. After that, he ran out of common sense.
Yes winning close games has zero to do with coaching. Yes we preferred 2015 with big empty stats for the qb and no wins
Maybe Mara is offering a good reference and clearing the air on the situation with Geno-Gate.
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No idea where this idea of McAdoo being a good coordinator is coming from. He fell apart without TC's influence on the offense. When he took over he took over he changed things and we had two terrible offensive seasons.
How was the TC offense in 2013?
Using the choose your own adventure method for what you choose to credit/discredit one for is a bad way to discredit someone
Not sure what your point is. TC heavily influenced the offense in 2014/15 where they were throwing the ball down the field. Even McAdoo called it a hybrid. Then you see a very big falloff in 16/17. So again, I have no idea what your point is. I just stated facts. Look them up yourself and you will see the same.
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No idea where this idea of McAdoo being a good coordinator is coming from. He fell apart without TC's influence on the offense. When he took over he took over he changed things and we had two terrible offensive seasons.
This. Hopefully he bought a new suit for the Zoom.
Oh lawd, absolutely this
Bill O'Brien is not leaving Bama to work under Rhule. Ken Dorsey is going to wait to see if he can replace Daboll in Buffalo or follow him to his next stop. Matt Nagy is going to see if he can replace Bieniemy in Kansas City or follow Pederson somewhere. Etc. Etc. The best OC names available don't want to attach themselves to a sinking ship.
Rhule was supposed to get a "Rockstar" OC. I wish no ill will towards McAdoo and hope he finds success, but he is definitely not a "rockstar." If we had kept Judge, we'd be in the same boat.
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No idea where this idea of McAdoo being a good coordinator is coming from. He fell apart without TC's influence on the offense. When he took over he took over he changed things and we had two terrible offensive seasons.
How was the TC offense in 2013?
Using the choose your own adventure method for what you choose to credit/discredit one for is a bad way to discredit someone
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No idea where this idea of McAdoo being a good coordinator is coming from. He fell apart without TC's influence on the offense. When he took over he took over he changed things and we had two terrible offensive seasons.
How was the TC offense in 2013?
Using the choose your own adventure method for what you choose to credit/discredit one for is a bad way to discredit someone
ah yes. The year everyone including the owner, everyone panicked. Andre Brown leading rusher. Peyton Hollis second in the team in carries. Jernigan catching 29 passes. Myers the tight end.
Your killing it, my friend. 😎
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No idea where this idea of McAdoo being a good coordinator is coming from. He fell apart without TC's influence on the offense. When he took over he took over he changed things and we had two terrible offensive seasons.
How was the TC offense in 2013?
Using the choose your own adventure method for what you choose to credit/discredit one for is a bad way to discredit someone
ah yes. The year everyone including the owner, everyone panicked. Andre Brown leading rusher. Peyton Hollis second in the team in carries. Jernigan catching 29 passes. Myers the tight end.
So we will use excuses for some people-
To fit the narrative of choice
Well done - so 2017 bad offense was …. Coaching…. 13 was panic- perfect
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No idea where this idea of McAdoo being a good coordinator is coming from. He fell apart without TC's influence on the offense. When he took over he took over he changed things and we had two terrible offensive seasons.
How was the TC offense in 2013?
Using the choose your own adventure method for what you choose to credit/discredit one for is a bad way to discredit someone
Not sure what your point is. TC heavily influenced the offense in 2014/15 where they were throwing the ball down the field. Even McAdoo called it a hybrid. Then you see a very big falloff in 16/17. So again, I have no idea what your point is. I just stated facts. Look them up yourself and you will see the same.
So did mcadoo lead a better offense as coordinator in 14 then what was going on from midway 12 to end 13?
But he was just doing tc offense? Which had stopped working-
How was the TC offense in 2013?
Using the choose your own adventure method for what you choose to credit/discredit one for is a bad way to discredit someone
That's fair, I think McAdoo brought in some new ideas, but the change in his offense with TC and post-TC was pretty drastic, and I'm not just talking about production.
He had the same problem Kingsbury has today - repeatedly using the same personnel packages and formations. At least Kingsbury moves his WR's around. NFL offenses can't survive today without diversification.
That said, I'm sure he's learned a few things in his time away from the game. I wish him luck, I'm just not sure Carolina is the place he'll find it.
Generally agree.
Recall thinking that only thing a West Coast Offense got Giants was shrinking the field making it easier for Defenses to attack both the running and passing game.
That says nothing. He was a horrible coach. Guy was an OC for a a cup of coffee. Biggest myth in NFL history is that he's some great coach
So Jawn, as is his wont, panics and forces out Gilbride, one of the most innovative offensive minds in the NFL, and latches onto this shambling nothing because "he had been in GB, and that Rodgers guy does good so, he must be a qb guru."
Anyway, once Fredo is HC,let's now take a vet qb whose best attributes are his downfield throwing ability and his brain which makes him a coach on the field and turn him into a 4 yard out game manager with one personnel package.
McAdoo must know someone's brother in law who got him a courtesy zoom interview. The Panthers can't be serious.
Bill O'Brien is not leaving Bama to work under Rhule. Ken Dorsey is going to wait to see if he can replace Daboll in Buffalo or follow him to his next stop. Matt Nagy is going to see if he can replace Bieniemy in Kansas City or follow Pederson somewhere. Etc. Etc. The best OC names available don't want to attach themselves to a sinking ship.
Rhule was supposed to get a "Rockstar" OC. I wish no ill will towards McAdoo and hope he finds success, but he is definitely not a "rockstar." If we had kept Judge, we'd be in the same boat.
Good point. Very good point.