I was pretty sick of him. But i would not complain if he came here. probably learned some from last NFL stint and he did a pretty damn good job with the niners
doubt it would happen but would be a bigtime move
but name someone available who is more qualified. Aside from his actual W/L record, which is exceptional, he took two historically significant but floundering teams and returned them to prominence. He's literally already done this job. Although you could also argue that this would be his biggest challenge yet.
thanks. I assume we'd have to buy him out from Michigan, and then pay him a ton of money to become our coach. The cost isn't worth it. Get someone who is in the league right now.
thanks. I assume we'd have to buy him out from Michigan, and then pay him a ton of money to become our coach. The cost isn't worth it. Get someone who is in the league right now.
Who cares about the money? It doesn't impact the cap.
Jim Harbaugh would be a huge get.
44 -19 in 4 yrs with 2 championship games and an SB. If he is interested you go fully in on him. He just needs a GM he can work with.
thanks. I assume we'd have to buy him out from Michigan, and then pay him a ton of money to become our coach. The cost isn't worth it. Get someone who is in the league right now.
He is at the highest point he could be in Michigan's eyes.
Harbaugh gave money back last year. I'm not sure if the university asked, or he did it as an act of goodwill and commitment, but maybe he wants to claw that back. And then some after a very good year.
finally hired a GM and he delegated choosing the HC to BBI
Of course not but you have to admit that there are countless threads out there suggesting different HCs before we even select a GM. Easy does it big guy
Wtf does this have to do with the op? Did it say the Giants have interest or plan on interviewing him yet?
He has a career record of something like 163-70, including a great NFL record as pointed out above. He has won everywhere he went, San Diego U, Stanford, SF, and Michigan.
After a few years may he get sideways with management for saying stupid things, sure. But I don't care, he'd get us turned around in the meantime. He is the one guy out there who has shown he can turn a team around.
Yeah, why would we want a guy who went 44-19 with crappy QBs and went to 3 NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl in 4 years. Not to mention if he brings Fangio with him
thanks. I assume we'd have to buy him out from Michigan, and then pay him a ton of money to become our coach. The cost isn't worth it. Get someone who is in the league right now.
Who cares about the money? It doesn't impact the cap.
I know, but the Giants have to pay Judge $15 million and are still apparently paying Shurmur. I'd also be concerned that it would become a circus.
thanks. I assume we'd have to buy him out from Michigan, and then pay him a ton of money to become our coach. The cost isn't worth it. Get someone who is in the league right now.
Who cares about the money? It doesn't impact the cap.
seriously, it's one line on Mara's tax return...
Harbaugh to the Raiders makes much more sense with no GM in place
thanks. I assume we'd have to buy him out from Michigan, and then pay him a ton of money to become our coach. The cost isn't worth it. Get someone who is in the league right now.
Who cares about the money? It doesn't impact the cap.
It's as if people do not realize that the Giants turn a $140mil profit every year (except 2020) even with the shitty product on the field. 168mil profit in 2019.
Paying Harbaugh 2 or 3 mil than another candidate is hardly a dent in Mara/Tisch's bottomline.
Pay him a ton of money? I never u sees food why people care so much. Is it your money? John Mara and Steve roach are billionaires. Buying him out and giving him a huge contract isn’t even a blip on their bank accounts
more money out of UM, I think he wants back in to the NFL. He's gone as far as he can go at Mich, and I've always thought he was better suited for the NFL. I just don't see the Mara's going for that, but if the new GM pushes for it...
back to their playing days at Michigan, so this is a legit source. I think Raiders are definitely the favorite though because he gets to be GM there as well as HC
Just hope they find a GM who can work with Harbaugh.
while there may be some inherent risk in hiring Harbaugh, think about the risks in hiring someone else.
We aren't choosing between 3-4 well known and well established HCs here. It's an absolute FACT that the only other HC option with pelts on his wall is Doug Pedersen. This is a stone cold fact. Next in line is Flores who while mildly promising hasn't exactly set the NFL world on fire. Then you have a slew of unproven coordinators. This isn't a murderers row of candidates.
NOT hiring Harbaugh comes with risk. He's the best candidate on paper.
while there may be some inherent risk in hiring Harbaugh, think about the risks in hiring someone else.
We aren't choosing between 3-4 well known and well established HCs here. It's an absolute FACT that the only other HC option with pelts on his wall is Doug Pedersen. This is a stone cold fact. Next in line is Flores who while mildly promising hasn't exactly set the NFL world on fire. Then you have a slew of unproven coordinators. This isn't a murderers row of candidates.
NOT hiring Harbaugh comes with risk. He's the best candidate on paper.
I agree with this. When I look at him and Pederson I feel like I did back in 2004 when we brought in Coughlin.
I’m not saying either of those guys is as good as Coughlin, I just like the idea of bringing in a proven winner at this point. After gambling on McAdoo and Judge as first time head coaches, and also going with Shurmur who was never a winner as a HC in his prior stint with Cleveland I am not feeling comfortable with another first time head coach or some retread that’s never won anything.
Harbaugh can be a little annoying but hard to argue with his results.
Vic Fangio could be his defensive coordinator which would be a home run hire.
This is the grand slam option. And for the life of me I will never understand why fans care what owners pay for coaches or front office. It will never effect you as a fan of the team...
But I just don't see the Giants bringing in Harbaugh. I hope I'm wrong...
I have no idea why people are so against Harbaugh coming here. Because he's "weird"?
What evidence is there that Brian fucking Daboll can carry his own jock as a Head Coach? Personally I am sick of Peter Principle hirings. Pat Shurmur at OC is a great hire. But we hire him as HC. Judge is a great position coach but we hire him as HC.
It's time for the New York Giants to have a great coaching staff again.
Get Harbaugh in here, let him get a great DC in Fangio and maybe even Greg Roman too if BAL let's him go.
Instead of Brian Daboll and whatever resin he can scrape together to fill out his staff.
I could seem him succeeding over a three year period but then just burning out and making everyone miserable.
To me, it's a better version of Dan Reeves.
Sure it would get us back on track, but not long term and not worth the financial investment.
The financial investment means nothing to me. If the Mara's want to spend their money on Harbaugh, I'm fine with it. And it would only happen if the new GM pushed for it.
And I'm fine with a Dan Reeves scenario. Getting us back to respectability would look like a penthouse view at this point.
I could seem him succeeding over a three year period but then just burning out and making everyone miserable.
To me, it's a better version of Dan Reeves.
Sure it would get us back on track, but not long term and not worth the financial investment.
The financial investment means nothing to me. If the Mara's want to spend their money on Harbaugh, I'm fine with it. And it would only happen if the new GM pushed for it.
And I'm fine with a Dan Reeves scenario. Getting us back to respectability would look like a penthouse view at this point.
Exactly. It would be nice to have a semi-competitive team. We are generally out of contention by early October every year.
Why would anyone pick the giants over the raiders?
LVS
-No state income tax
-Playoff roster
-Cool new stadium
-Nice weather
And then there is us...
-state income tax
-awful roster
-cap strapped
-boring stadium
-cold weather
I'd pick the raiders job.
The Giants are a more historically more respected organization though. Plus Vegas may be nice to visit, but I’m not sure it’s a place I would want to live full time.
Plus I’m not sure we are really all that unattractive from a roster standpoint. The new GM and coach will get a lot of leash. Mara knows we need to blow things up. After this upcoming year the cap really opens up for the team. So focusing on the draft this offseason really makes sense since you aren’t expecting to really compete. Two top 10 picks, nice young left tackle in Thomas, some good pieces on D. It’s not that bad of a spot with competent leadership.
LVS
-No state income tax
-Playoff roster
-Cool new stadium
-Nice weather
And then there is us...
-state income tax
-awful roster
-cap strapped
-boring stadium
-cold weather
I'd pick the raiders job.
The Giants are a more historically more respected organization though. Plus Vegas may be nice to visit, but I’m not sure it’s a place I would want to live full time.
Plus I’m not sure we are really all that unattractive from a roster standpoint. The new GM and coach will get a lot of leash. Mara knows we need to blow things up. After this upcoming year the cap really opens up for the team. So focusing on the draft this offseason really makes sense since you aren’t expecting to really compete. Two top 10 picks, nice young left tackle in Thomas, some good pieces on D. It’s not that bad of a spot with competent leadership.
He wins and has proven to be able to turn around a franchise with a less than stellar QB. Sign me up. Second choice would be Flores, he turned Miami around pretty much. Daboll would not be my choice. He has no experience, this team needs someone who knows how to run a team. The other 2 have the experience.
For those that are worried about how much Harbaugh would make, who cares? Coaches dont have count on the cap. I really dont care how much they pay a coach. I honestly dont really care how much they pay good players either, the cap can be manipulated which is why I think we need a change. Other cash strapped teams figure out a way, Dallas is paying Dak a shitload more than we are paying DJ and we still cant field a competent team. Pay the right guys.
Coaches aren't under the cap and you'rs not paying his salary.
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If the Giants have to open up the coffers to get this mess turned around, so be it. After sitting through this last decade of terrible football, why would anyone care? This has been a colossal f#ck up and they are losing season ticket holders.
That's the #1 reason I think Judge is gone IMO - this was a concern going back to before this season. People weren't renewing their season tickets. It got Mara's attention. This was before Judge fell apart this year and the fans were seemingly bought in.
IMO - he needs a power move to get the fans back in. And by that, I mean renewing their season tickets. I don't think Daboll's gonna move the needle much. JMO.
Little Birdie says coach Harbaugh eyeing Raiders & Giants.
doubt it would happen but would be a bigtime move
Who cares about the money? It doesn't impact the cap.
44 -19 in 4 yrs with 2 championship games and an SB. If he is interested you go fully in on him. He just needs a GM he can work with.
Why do you care about Maras wallet?
Vic Fangio could be his defensive coordinator which would be a home run hire.
i think this is it
Wtf does this have to do with the op? Did it say the Giants have interest or plan on interviewing him yet?
Totally agree. That's the ulterior motive here.
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i think this is it
pretty sure he just got a new contract before this past year
With Harbaugh, I see him blurring those boundaries.
Harbaugh gave money back last year. I'm not sure if the university asked, or he did it as an act of goodwill and commitment, but maybe he wants to claw that back. And then some after a very good year.
Vic Fangio could be his defensive coordinator which would be a home run hire.
Agree with everything you say
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finally hired a GM and he delegated choosing the HC to BBI
Of course not but you have to admit that there are countless threads out there suggesting different HCs before we even select a GM. Easy does it big guy
Wtf does this have to do with the op? Did it say the Giants have interest or plan on interviewing him yet?
After a few years may he get sideways with management for saying stupid things, sure. But I don't care, he'd get us turned around in the meantime. He is the one guy out there who has shown he can turn a team around.
Yeah, why would we want a guy who went 44-19 with crappy QBs and went to 3 NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl in 4 years. Not to mention if he brings Fangio with him
Vic Fangio could be his defensive coordinator which would be a home run hire.
Raiders just fired their GM, wouldnt be suprised if this tandem gets hired there.
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thanks. I assume we'd have to buy him out from Michigan, and then pay him a ton of money to become our coach. The cost isn't worth it. Get someone who is in the league right now.
Who cares about the money? It doesn't impact the cap.
I know, but the Giants have to pay Judge $15 million and are still apparently paying Shurmur. I'd also be concerned that it would become a circus.
Shhhhh. You tryin to ruin our fan appreciation day next season?
Ha!
How doesn't he fit? The new GM is hiring him, so there would be no issues there. 44-19 with 3 title games in 4 years with lousy QBs fits
Ditto Brian Flores
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thanks. I assume we'd have to buy him out from Michigan, and then pay him a ton of money to become our coach. The cost isn't worth it. Get someone who is in the league right now.
Who cares about the money? It doesn't impact the cap.
seriously, it's one line on Mara's tax return...
Would love to see Harbaugh in Giants blue. He’s the hero Gotham needs right now after rolling through three guys unfit for duty.
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thanks. I assume we'd have to buy him out from Michigan, and then pay him a ton of money to become our coach. The cost isn't worth it. Get someone who is in the league right now.
Who cares about the money? It doesn't impact the cap.
It's as if people do not realize that the Giants turn a $140mil profit every year (except 2020) even with the shitty product on the field. 168mil profit in 2019.
Paying Harbaugh 2 or 3 mil than another candidate is hardly a dent in Mara/Tisch's bottomline.
This is blatantly wrong.
He couldn't get along with the GM in San Francisco that lead to his end with the 49'ers and they loved him as a coach out here.
I would love him as a coach but, Harbaugh maybe a handful.
Put me in that camp
I just cant see the Giants allowing such a mercurial personality into the country club
He couldn't get along with the GM in San Francisco that lead to his end with the 49'ers and they loved him as a coach out here.
I would love him as a coach but, Harbaugh maybe a handful.
Baalke has proven himself to be a raging asshole, so maybe it wasn't Harbaugh.
We aren't choosing between 3-4 well known and well established HCs here. It's an absolute FACT that the only other HC option with pelts on his wall is Doug Pedersen. This is a stone cold fact. Next in line is Flores who while mildly promising hasn't exactly set the NFL world on fire. Then you have a slew of unproven coordinators. This isn't a murderers row of candidates.
NOT hiring Harbaugh comes with risk. He's the best candidate on paper.
We aren't choosing between 3-4 well known and well established HCs here. It's an absolute FACT that the only other HC option with pelts on his wall is Doug Pedersen. This is a stone cold fact. Next in line is Flores who while mildly promising hasn't exactly set the NFL world on fire. Then you have a slew of unproven coordinators. This isn't a murderers row of candidates.
NOT hiring Harbaugh comes with risk. He's the best candidate on paper.
I agree with this. When I look at him and Pederson I feel like I did back in 2004 when we brought in Coughlin.
I’m not saying either of those guys is as good as Coughlin, I just like the idea of bringing in a proven winner at this point. After gambling on McAdoo and Judge as first time head coaches, and also going with Shurmur who was never a winner as a HC in his prior stint with Cleveland I am not feeling comfortable with another first time head coach or some retread that’s never won anything.
Vic Fangio could be his defensive coordinator which would be a home run hire.
This is the grand slam option. And for the life of me I will never understand why fans care what owners pay for coaches or front office. It will never effect you as a fan of the team...
But I just don't see the Giants bringing in Harbaugh. I hope I'm wrong...
What evidence is there that Brian fucking Daboll can carry his own jock as a Head Coach? Personally I am sick of Peter Principle hirings. Pat Shurmur at OC is a great hire. But we hire him as HC. Judge is a great position coach but we hire him as HC.
It's time for the New York Giants to have a great coaching staff again.
Get Harbaugh in here, let him get a great DC in Fangio and maybe even Greg Roman too if BAL let's him go.
Instead of Brian Daboll and whatever resin he can scrape together to fill out his staff.
I could seem him succeeding over a three year period but then just burning out and making everyone miserable.
To me, it's a better version of Dan Reeves.
Sure it would get us back on track, but not long term and not worth the financial investment.
We basically watched out last 3 hires have complete personal meltdowns trying to run the show.
I could seem him succeeding over a three year period but then just burning out and making everyone miserable.
To me, it's a better version of Dan Reeves.
Sure it would get us back on track, but not long term and not worth the financial investment.
That is was I forsee as well ... and if teh plan is to start and build some longevity he is a poor choice.
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He couldn't get along with the GM in San Francisco that lead to his end with the 49'ers and they loved him as a coach out here.
I would love him as a coach but, Harbaugh maybe a handful.
Baalke has proven himself to be a raging asshole, so maybe it wasn't Harbaugh.
Just think about the shit Baalke put us through with that Davis trade that never happened!
I could seem him succeeding over a three year period but then just burning out and making everyone miserable.
To me, it's a better version of Dan Reeves.
Sure it would get us back on track, but not long term and not worth the financial investment.
The financial investment means nothing to me. If the Mara's want to spend their money on Harbaugh, I'm fine with it. And it would only happen if the new GM pushed for it.
And I'm fine with a Dan Reeves scenario. Getting us back to respectability would look like a penthouse view at this point.
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....lasting here with any longevity.
I could seem him succeeding over a three year period but then just burning out and making everyone miserable.
To me, it's a better version of Dan Reeves.
Sure it would get us back on track, but not long term and not worth the financial investment.
The financial investment means nothing to me. If the Mara's want to spend their money on Harbaugh, I'm fine with it. And it would only happen if the new GM pushed for it.
And I'm fine with a Dan Reeves scenario. Getting us back to respectability would look like a penthouse view at this point.
Exactly. It would be nice to have a semi-competitive team. We are generally out of contention by early October every year.
LVS
-No state income tax
-Playoff roster
-Cool new stadium
-Nice weather
And then there is us...
-state income tax
-awful roster
-cap strapped
-boring stadium
-cold weather
I'd pick the raiders job.
LVS
-No state income tax
-Playoff roster
-Cool new stadium
-Nice weather
And then there is us...
-state income tax
-awful roster
-cap strapped
-boring stadium
-cold weather
I'd pick the raiders job.
The Giants are a more historically more respected organization though. Plus Vegas may be nice to visit, but I’m not sure it’s a place I would want to live full time.
Plus I’m not sure we are really all that unattractive from a roster standpoint. The new GM and coach will get a lot of leash. Mara knows we need to blow things up. After this upcoming year the cap really opens up for the team. So focusing on the draft this offseason really makes sense since you aren’t expecting to really compete. Two top 10 picks, nice young left tackle in Thomas, some good pieces on D. It’s not that bad of a spot with competent leadership.
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Unless a fan of the team
LVS
-No state income tax
-Playoff roster
-Cool new stadium
-Nice weather
And then there is us...
-state income tax
-awful roster
-cap strapped
-boring stadium
-cold weather
I'd pick the raiders job.
The Giants are a more historically more respected organization though. Plus Vegas may be nice to visit, but I’m not sure it’s a place I would want to live full time.
Plus I’m not sure we are really all that unattractive from a roster standpoint. The new GM and coach will get a lot of leash. Mara knows we need to blow things up. After this upcoming year the cap really opens up for the team. So focusing on the draft this offseason really makes sense since you aren’t expecting to really compete. Two top 10 picks, nice young left tackle in Thomas, some good pieces on D. It’s not that bad of a spot with competent leadership.
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For those that are worried about how much Harbaugh would make, who cares? Coaches dont have count on the cap. I really dont care how much they pay a coach. I honestly dont really care how much they pay good players either, the cap can be manipulated which is why I think we need a change. Other cash strapped teams figure out a way, Dallas is paying Dak a shitload more than we are paying DJ and we still cant field a competent team. Pay the right guys.
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If the Giants have to open up the coffers to get this mess turned around, so be it. After sitting through this last decade of terrible football, why would anyone care? This has been a colossal f#ck up and they are losing season ticket holders.
That's the #1 reason I think Judge is gone IMO - this was a concern going back to before this season. People weren't renewing their season tickets. It got Mara's attention. This was before Judge fell apart this year and the fans were seemingly bought in.
IMO - he needs a power move to get the fans back in. And by that, I mean renewing their season tickets. I don't think Daboll's gonna move the needle much. JMO.