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nygiants16 : 1/17/2022 6:45 pm
This is stuff heard around the NBA not from inside the Knicks..

Worst kept secret in the NBA is the Knicks interest in Brunson...

Knicks are one of the teams calling the Kings over and over again to get Fox..

Obviously any talks with the Blazers are dead right now with Lillard hurt and he wants to wait until the offseason, but with Simons emerging, Lillard will be available in kffseason..

Rj not being offered in deals, that is a change from a couple of months ago when he was in mlst offers..

Teams think the Knicks will get a PG at the deadline and the Reddish move freed up packaging 2 or 3 for 1 type of deals
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Knicks are very active  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2022 6:47 pm : link
dont think Randle will be in any deals..

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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/17/2022 6:49 pm : link
I'm not a huge fan of Fox, from all I've seen.

& I hope we move Randle.

And what the hell is going on with IQ? He has been God awful of late.
RE: Knicks are very active  
mphbullet36 : 1/17/2022 6:51 pm : link
In comment 15558298 nygiants16 said:
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dont think Randle will be in any deals..


Randle not being in any deals because the knicks want to keep him or teams just don't want him and his contract?
Those three-for-one deals are tricky in-season.  
bceagle05 : 1/17/2022 6:51 pm : link
Rosters are set so it’s tough for teams to add three guys at once. I suspect that’s more likely in the summer.
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nygiants16 : 1/17/2022 6:52 pm : link
In comment 15558302 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I'm not a huge fan of Fox, from all I've seen.

& I hope we move Randle.

And what the hell is going on with IQ? He has been God awful of late.


I dont know but it seems his name and Toppins name are leading the packages being offered around draft picks..

Teams want Grimes but the Knicks are trying to keep him
RE: Those three-for-one deals are tricky in-season.  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2022 6:53 pm : link
In comment 15558305 bceagle05 said:
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Rosters are set so it’s tough for teams to add three guys at once. I suspect that’s more likely in the summer.


yeah most likely would include 2 players that can be cut
Fuck Randle.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/17/2022 6:58 pm : link
Keep Obi.
I don't want to get fleeced for Fox  
larryflower37 : 1/17/2022 6:59 pm : link
Or Brunson.
This is a different team when Rose and Kemba are healthy.
Rose has been very patient and I hope it Carries over to this deadline
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/17/2022 7:01 pm : link
I'd move Randle. I think '20-'21 was his peak season.
RE: Fuck Randle.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/17/2022 7:01 pm : link
In comment 15558315 robbieballs2003 said:
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Keep Obi.


How I feel too, Haha.

& imagine us thinking this 9 months ago?
RE: I don't want to get fleeced for Fox  
Jim in Fairfax : 1/17/2022 7:03 pm : link
In comment 15558316 larryflower37 said:
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Or Brunson.
This is a different team when Rose and Kemba are healthy.
Rose has been very patient and I hope it Carries over to this deadline

Kemba will never be healthy for any stretch of time. Rose’s minutes have to limited to keep him off the injured list. They need a PG who can play significant minutes.
RE: RE: Fuck Randle.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/17/2022 7:04 pm : link
In comment 15558322 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Keep Obi.



How I feel too, Haha.

& imagine us thinking this 9 months ago?


I can't speak for you but I was pretty close to this last year.
RE: I don't want to get fleeced for Fox  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2022 7:05 pm : link
In comment 15558316 larryflower37 said:
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Or Brunson.
This is a different team when Rose and Kemba are healthy.
Rose has been very patient and I hope it Carries over to this deadline


Eventually you have to start making big moves, you cant just be patient forever..

Yeah team is different with Rose and Kemba playing healthy but guess what they are older and not healthy..

Brunson and Fox are 25 and would change the starters
robbie.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/17/2022 7:11 pm : link
I was sorta down on JR after ATL series, but he was a beast all season & I chalked it up to nerves or whatever. But he's regressed & I hated the 'thumbs down' thing...so fucking stupid.
RE: robbie.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/17/2022 7:14 pm : link
In comment 15558336 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I was sorta down on JR after ATL series, but he was a beast all season & I chalked it up to nerves or whatever. But he's regressed & I hated the 'thumbs down' thing...so fucking stupid.


Mine is more that I have been on the Obi bandwagon for awhile and 9 months ago I was calling for him to be playing way more than he was. And what Thibs is doing now is just fuckin criminal.
I try to give Randle the benefit of the doubt  
bceagle05 : 1/17/2022 7:14 pm : link
but days like today make it difficult. Couldn’t be bothered to lift a finger on defense and had Miles Bridges looking like Lebron.
Appreciste  
Mike from SI : 1/17/2022 7:16 pm : link
the info 16.
Thibs isnt stupid  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2022 7:18 pm : link
It is why i think Obi will be moved, You dont play a guy who has played well in limited minutes 10 minutes a game regardless of how he is playing..

and dont give me he is a 2nd year player and Thibs doesnt play young guys, Rj is 2nd on the team in minutes, mitch plays 30 a night, Grimes is playing more and more and Quickley finishes a lot of games
RE: Appreciste  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2022 7:18 pm : link
In comment 15558341 Mike from SI said:
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the info 16.


no problem
RE: robbie.  
BigBlueShock : 1/17/2022 7:19 pm : link
In comment 15558336 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I was sorta down on JR after ATL series, but he was a beast all season & I chalked it up to nerves or whatever. But he's regressed & I hated the 'thumbs down' thing...so fucking stupid.

As ridiculous as it sounds, I honestly think the thumbs down thing was the beginning of the end.. NY fans are a fickle bunch with long memories. They aren’t going to let him ever forget it. The only thing that could change that is winning and this team isn’t good enough to win enough to win the fans back 100%. His body language has also sucked all season. He seems disinterested and disengaged far too often. Something is up with him and it’s affecting his play.
RE: Thibs isnt stupid  
BigBlueShock : 1/17/2022 7:22 pm : link
In comment 15558343 nygiants16 said:
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It is why i think Obi will be moved, You dont play a guy who has played well in limited minutes 10 minutes a game regardless of how he is playing..

and dont give me he is a 2nd year player and Thibs doesnt play young guys, Rj is 2nd on the team in minutes, mitch plays 30 a night, Grimes is playing more and more and Quickley finishes a lot of games

Those players don’t have JR ahead of them. Thibs is stubborn and when he decides he has a man crush on someone he’s going to ride them like a rented mule. Thibs is incredibly loyal to JR
BBS.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/17/2022 7:24 pm : link
As I said on another Knicks thread, no athlete is going to win a battle with the fans. Yes, in the grand scheme of thing, the thumbs down gesture is small potatoes, but no Knick fan is going to forget that & will throw it back in his face whenever he has a bad game or stretch.

& he's looked disengaged a lot this season.

To me, JR has never been the true 1 on a championship team. He's a 2 or, at worst, a 3.
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nygiants16 : 1/17/2022 7:24 pm : link
In comment 15558350 BigBlueShock said:
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It is why i think Obi will be moved, You dont play a guy who has played well in limited minutes 10 minutes a game regardless of how he is playing..

and dont give me he is a 2nd year player and Thibs doesnt play young guys, Rj is 2nd on the team in minutes, mitch plays 30 a night, Grimes is playing more and more and Quickley finishes a lot of games


Those players don’t have JR ahead of them. Thibs is stubborn and when he decides he has a man crush on someone he’s going to ride them like a rented mule. Thibs is incredibly loyal to JR


You can find 20 minutes a night if you want to..

Thibs is stubborn but he isnt stupid, if he feels a guy is going to help him win he is going tk find minutes for that guy..
& nygiants16.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/17/2022 7:31 pm : link
Thanks for this info.

Caught a lot of Bulls-Grizz; Chicago looks like a mess without LaVine.
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BigBlueShock : 1/17/2022 7:31 pm : link
In comment 15558352 nygiants16 said:
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It is why i think Obi will be moved, You dont play a guy who has played well in limited minutes 10 minutes a game regardless of how he is playing..

and dont give me he is a 2nd year player and Thibs doesnt play young guys, Rj is 2nd on the team in minutes, mitch plays 30 a night, Grimes is playing more and more and Quickley finishes a lot of games


Those players don’t have JR ahead of them. Thibs is stubborn and when he decides he has a man crush on someone he’s going to ride them like a rented mule. Thibs is incredibly loyal to JR



You can find 20 minutes a night if you want to..

Thibs is stubborn but he isnt stupid, if he feels a guy is going to help him win he is going tk find minutes for that guy..

That’s not necessarily completely true. Guys like Grimes, Deuce, etc only got their minutes and a chance to showcase themselves because of injuries. Otherwise we’d still have no idea if they could play. Thibs isn’t going to play Obi unless he absolutely has to. Randle has been durable so that chance at steady minutes hasn’t come. Nobody can succeed by getting 9 minutes per night. There’s too much of a tendency to press and try too hard
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nygiants16 : 1/17/2022 7:35 pm : link
In comment 15558359 BigBlueShock said:
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It is why i think Obi will be moved, You dont play a guy who has played well in limited minutes 10 minutes a game regardless of how he is playing..

and dont give me he is a 2nd year player and Thibs doesnt play young guys, Rj is 2nd on the team in minutes, mitch plays 30 a night, Grimes is playing more and more and Quickley finishes a lot of games


Those players don’t have JR ahead of them. Thibs is stubborn and when he decides he has a man crush on someone he’s going to ride them like a rented mule. Thibs is incredibly loyal to JR



You can find 20 minutes a night if you want to..

Thibs is stubborn but he isnt stupid, if he feels a guy is going to help him win he is going tk find minutes for that guy..


That’s not necessarily completely true. Guys like Grimes, Deuce, etc only got their minutes and a chance to showcase themselves because of injuries. Otherwise we’d still have no idea if they could play. Thibs isn’t going to play Obi unless he absolutely has to. Randle has been durable so that chance at steady minutes hasn’t come. Nobody can succeed by getting 9 minutes per night. There’s too much of a tendency to press and try too hard


Grimes has been getting more and more minutes as the season has gone on and than capitilized on guys being out..

Obi has had good games when given 20 minutes, no reason he shouldnt be getting those 20 minutes every night
and for the record i dont want Obi traded  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2022 7:38 pm : link
but its going to happen whether we like it or not, team needs a point guard and Knicks have a bunch of depth..
Randle and the Dallas 1st for Brunson?  
Del Shofner : 1/17/2022 7:40 pm : link
Who says no?
RE: Randle and the Dallas 1st for Brunson?  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2022 7:41 pm : link
In comment 15558370 Del Shofner said:
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Who says no?


Dallas and they would have to send out 19 million in fillers
RE: and for the record i dont want Obi traded  
BigBlueShock : 1/17/2022 7:41 pm : link
In comment 15558367 nygiants16 said:
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but its going to happen whether we like it or not, team needs a point guard and Knicks have a bunch of depth..

Oh I agree. And it’s unfortunate.
Wonder what it would take to get Fox  
EmpireWF : 1/17/2022 7:44 pm : link
Apparently, Kings were trying to package Bagley with Hield but no takers so far. For Fox, to make the money work, wouldn't Fournier need to be involved? Of the young guys, Toppin would make the most sense as he's simply subbed in for relief of Randle. Maybe Quickly becomes more expendable, but you wouldn't want to lose two of their main three point shooters.
I think  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2022 7:46 pm : link
a deal for Brunson is a lot easier in season than Fox is because Knicks need to send out 4 for 1 unless its a 3 team deal..

Brunsons deal is small, you could do Obi and a 1st for Brunson and a filler pretty easily
RE: and for the record i dont want Obi traded  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/17/2022 7:47 pm : link
In comment 15558367 nygiants16 said:
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but its going to happen whether we like it or not, team needs a point guard and Knicks have a bunch of depth..


Don't trade Obi. Trade JR.
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nygiants16 : 1/17/2022 7:48 pm : link
In comment 15558387 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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but its going to happen whether we like it or not, team needs a point guard and Knicks have a bunch of depth..



Don't trade Obi. Trade JR.


They arent trading Randle unless its kn a huge deal or Randle asks out..

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EmpireWF : 1/17/2022 7:48 pm : link
In comment 15558386 nygiants16 said:
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a deal for Brunson is a lot easier in season than Fox is because Knicks need to send out 4 for 1 unless its a 3 team deal..

Brunsons deal is small, you could do Obi and a 1st for Brunson and a filler pretty easily


What would be the reason for Dallas to move him now when he's clearly an important piece? Do they figure it's not worth offering him a new deal in the summer b/c of the cap?
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nygiants16 : 1/17/2022 7:50 pm : link
In comment 15558390 EmpireWF said:
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a deal for Brunson is a lot easier in season than Fox is because Knicks need to send out 4 for 1 unless its a 3 team deal..

Brunsons deal is small, you could do Obi and a 1st for Brunson and a filler pretty easily



What would be the reason for Dallas to move him now when he's clearly an important piece? Do they figure it's not worth offering him a new deal in the summer b/c of the cap?


They are pretty locked in with their team, they have KP and Doncic, just resigned Hardaway and Bullock was just signed..

Would be shocked if they then spent 18-20 million on a point guard when Doncic is best eith the ball in his hands
Brunson is a free agent  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2022 7:51 pm : link
and represented by CAA and Leon Roses brother, the akbicks know what he wants and what Dallas is willing to offer
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/17/2022 7:55 pm : link
Would love if we could get Brunson. I believe he's from the area too, seeing that he went to 'Nova. He's what, 24?
Why are we letting Thibs dictate the roster? He’d play Rose and  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/17/2022 8:00 pm : link
Gibson 40 min a game if he could. I hope the front office doesn’t feel the same way he does. How Obi was used last year was sickening and the short leash he’s being given right now is annoying as hell. I don’t think Thibs will be here when the team is ready to make noises anyway. Trade Randle instead.
RE: Why are we letting Thibs dictate the roster? He’d play Rose and  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2022 8:09 pm : link
In comment 15558403 Jim in Hoboken said:
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Gibson 40 min a game if he could. I hope the front office doesn’t feel the same way he does. How Obi was used last year was sickening and the short leash he’s being given right now is annoying as hell. I don’t think Thibs will be here when the team is ready to make noises anyway. Trade Randle instead.


What are you talking about? Who said Thibs is dictating the roster? and he is the coach he plays who he feels is going to help the team win..

You do know Gibson plays zero minutes when everyone is healthy right?

Thibs coaches the team and the front office makes the mkves but bkth have to be in sync to make it work, so yes Thibs tells the front office what he thinks the tram needs, every coach in the nba does
I guess another question is whether there is a team out there  
Del Shofner : 1/17/2022 8:16 pm : link
that would want Randle and might be a participant in a 3-way trade.

If the Knicks aren't going to trade Randle, and it's certainly possible they have no intention of doing so, I'd really like to see him play fewer minutes and take fewer shots. I missed today's game but from the box score it looks like Obi did OK in his limited time, JR not so much.

Gotta learn to beat the zone too, though.
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moze1021 : 1/17/2022 8:20 pm : link
In comment 15558400 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Would love if we could get Brunson. I believe he's from the area too, seeing that he went to 'Nova. He's what, 24?


I loved the way his dad played for the Knicks...don't love the trouble he got into after his NBA career though..

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Del Shofner : 1/17/2022 8:22 pm : link
In comment 15558400 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Would love if we could get Brunson. I believe he's from the area too, seeing that he went to 'Nova. He's what, 24?


The Brunsons are not from the area (Illinois, I think) but Jalen went to Nova and Rick now coaches in South Jersey.
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Del Shofner : 1/17/2022 8:24 pm : link
In comment 15558422 moze1021 said:
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Would love if we could get Brunson. I believe he's from the area too, seeing that he went to 'Nova. He's what, 24?



I loved the way his dad played for the Knicks...don't love the trouble he got into after his NBA career though..


Yeah, Rick has had his problems for sure. Now coaches Camden High in south Jersey and is very successful at it. They're nationally ranked, and ranked #1 in NJ as well I believe.
I don’t get the love for Obi  
PhilSimms15 : 1/17/2022 8:49 pm : link
He’s a poor shooter and a worse defense player (that’s why Thibs is not giving him minutes.).

Fans love him because he can jump and run and make fancy dunks. But that in and of itself doesn’t get a player time on a team with ambitions.

If the Knicks could trade Obi and the Dallas one for Brunson they’d be all over it. They don’t want to trade Grimes but at some point they have to realize that they will be nothing more than a .500 with either a superstar (no idea how’d they get that) or a good PG.

RE: I don’t get the love for Obi  
robbieballs2003 : 1/17/2022 8:53 pm : link
In comment 15558482 PhilSimms15 said:
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He’s a poor shooter and a worse defense player (that’s why Thibs is not giving him minutes.).

Fans love him because he can jump and run and make fancy dunks. But that in and of itself doesn’t get a player time on a team with ambitions.

If the Knicks could trade Obi and the Dallas one for Brunson they’d be all over it. They don’t want to trade Grimes but at some point they have to realize that they will be nothing more than a .500 with either a superstar (no idea how’d they get that) or a good PG.


That is just wrong. He has played great defense from the mid point of last year on.
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robbieballs2003 : 1/17/2022 8:55 pm : link
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I don't like trading Obi  
robbieballs2003 : 1/17/2022 9:06 pm : link
JR should be the one going out.
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We all went from going ga ga over Randle last year to wanting to ship  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/17/2022 9:12 pm : link
him out of town this year. Asking Thibs to play Obi more is hardly blasphemy. How many times have we complained when the second unit brings the team back, only to see Thibs adheres to his usual substitution pattern and brings back Randle despite how poorly he's played?

Obi has better PER, Plus/Minus, offensive/defensive ratings than Randle. Not saying he should be starting, but he needs to play more. And I wouldn't be in a hurry to trade him.
RE: I don’t get the love for Obi  
Del Shofner : 1/17/2022 9:13 pm : link
In comment 15558482 PhilSimms15 said:
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He’s a poor shooter and a worse defense player (that’s why Thibs is not giving him minutes.).


I don't agree, unless you're saying that Randle is even a worse shooter and a worse defense player. Look no further than today's box score. Randle shot 6-16 and was minus 22 in 31 minutes. Obi shot 5-8 and was plus 12 in 17 minutes. The case for Randle over Obi is weakening.
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