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NJBlueTuna : 1/17/2022 7:12 pm
When Gruden was forced out, I wondered if Mayock the GM was next. From all the “stuff” leaked, it seemed like a Gruden allegation thing. There is so much to discuss Re what people think of Mayock and his results and any potential to Gruden who I believe is suing the NFL. I think this is bigger than people think and will say now Gruden’s law suit against the NFL will be settled with an ironclad non confidentiality agreement.
I read the lawsuit  
capone : 1/17/2022 7:28 pm : link
If he can get a judge to agree that he was damaged by being singled out in a punitive way by the NFL and that makes the other 600,000 emails relevant and he gets to scrape that database of emails for certain key phrases and words oh boy is that a can of worms there’s probably a lot of senior people in the NFL and NFL team level that know what’s in those emails and want him to he go away quietly which will be very very expensive
Non confidentiality agreement?  
81_Great_Dane : 1/17/2022 7:30 pm : link
I wish.
Here is the link  
capone : 1/17/2022 7:32 pm : link
It’s not a top-tier firm but a pretty good firm that he’s using I’m warning if I need the lawyers have interest in reading this and commenting about what they think it’s only 21 pages
Link - ( New Window )
Gruden is already wealthy beyond a single lifetime.  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/17/2022 7:36 pm : link
The idea that the NFL could buy him off with a settlement is questionable, at best.

If he wants to drag them into court to air everyone's dirty laundry, there probably isn't a price tag to prevent that.

That's not to say he can't be paid off to go away, just that if his goal is to scorch earth at any price, he does have the financial ballast to do it and still come out of it with a very comfortable life, financially.
What's Gruden's motivation?  
BamaBlue : 1/17/2022 7:54 pm : link
The court is not a place to get your reputation back. If he wants a fight and drag a bunch of other people through the mud, that is just an ego trip.
RE: What's Gruden's motivation?  
LauderdaleMatty : 1/17/2022 7:56 pm : link
In comment 15558399 BamaBlue said:
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The court is not a place to get your reputation back. If he wants a fight and drag a bunch of other people through the mud, that is just an ego trip.


That he was singled out and others who probably saod worse get away with it ?
Does anyone realize how wealthy Gruden will become?  
NJBlueTuna : 1/17/2022 7:56 pm : link
There is no way the other emails get to discovery in a lawsuit. Zero chance.
Mayock is gone because he's made  
Breeze_94 : 1/18/2022 12:31 am : link
6 first round picks- 2 of them are no longer on the roster because of legal issues, another (Ferrell) can't even get on the field despite being picked 4th overall over Josh Allen/Devin White, and 2 others have been very underwhelming (Abram and Leatherwood)

5 out of 6 first rounders he whiffed on- and he whiffed badly. His best first round pick, Jacobs, was still a horrible value.

The worst part about Mayock is most of these picks seemed questionable at the time of the draft- I've never seen a team pick so many guys 20 or 30 spots ahead of where the pundits had them going.
re:Gruden  
davew926 : 1/18/2022 7:58 am : link
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There is no way the other emails get to discovery in a lawsuit. Zero chance


Agreed. You sure do start some interesting conversations.
Mayock  
Steve in Greenwich : 1/18/2022 8:07 am : link
was the GM in name only. Heard from someone who would know that Mayock was hired specifically to provide scouting reports to Gruden; similarly Jerry Reese was interviewed for the job way back when with a similar thought process, he would act as head scout more so than GM. With Gruden now gone the Raiders more than likely will go back to a more typical organizational structure.
Meanwhile Mayock drafted  
arniefez : 1/18/2022 8:07 am : link
DE Maxx Crosby, WR Hunter Renfrow and CB Nate Hobbs in the late rounds. Almost makes you wonder if Gruden had a big hand in the early picks and let Mayock handle day 3. No way to ever know.
I alone would love to see  
section125 : 1/18/2022 8:09 am : link
Danny Boy Snyder's and Jerry Jones' emails....
RE: Here is the link  
Hammer : 1/18/2022 8:27 am : link
In comment 15558361 capone said:
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It’s not a top-tier firm but a pretty good firm that he’s using I’m warning if I need the lawyers have interest in reading this and commenting about what they think it’s only 21 pages Link - ( New Window )


The Complaint is well drafted and comprehensive.

The NFL has, to say the least, a problem.
He shouldn’t be a candidate here  
Metnut : 1/18/2022 8:59 am : link
But it’s not clear whether he was making a lot of those crazy 1st round picks or whether that was Gruden. The Raiders did well in the later rounds.
RE: Meanwhile Mayock drafted  
Shecky : 1/18/2022 9:11 am : link
In comment 15558825 arniefez said:
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DE Maxx Crosby, WR Hunter Renfrow and CB Nate Hobbs in the late rounds. Almost makes you wonder if Gruden had a big hand in the early picks and let Mayock handle day 3. No way to ever know.


I wonder how he would be viewed if those were his first rounders. Bigger head scratchers than the actual first rounders picked, but he’d look like a genius if these were instead his first round reaches. If it does turn out Gruden had great influence on the actual first rounders, Mayock should be insanely sought out by everyone. At a minimum, someone needs to put him in charge of their scouting department
I will say this: well drafted or not  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/18/2022 9:12 am : link
that Law Suit, if not dismissed, does represent a substantial problem for the NFL. It references all of the materials collected by the first Washington then NFL special investigation of sexual harassment charges against the Washington Football Team; and it indicates that out of all of the materials collected, the NFL selectively leaked just a few of the emails from that investigation specifically and maliciously targeting only Gruden in revenge of comments he made about the NFL Commissioner.

The discovery process for this law suit alone puts both the NFL and Washington Football team in serious jeopardy if they were seeking to keeping the pervasive nature of the harassment inside the Washington organization buried. The OP makes a very keen observation about all this, and I agree with his assessment. The NFL and Snyder have to settle this. They've spent millions trying to keep it quiet. With this law suit a ton of evidence will magnificently explode all around them during both the discovery and trial process. Gruden is definitely going to walk away from this with a ton of money. They did not think through this leaking of Gruden's emails to the WP and NYT very well at all.

Gruden may well have been wrong, but leaking stuff in this instance is fraught with peril. If there is a moral here -- people in glass houses should not throw stones!
RE: RE: Here is the link  
bhill410 : 1/18/2022 11:13 am : link
In comment 15558843 Hammer said:
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In comment 15558361 capone said:


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It’s not a top-tier firm but a pretty good firm that he’s using I’m warning if I need the lawyers have interest in reading this and commenting about what they think it’s only 21 pages Link - ( New Window )


My first thought is that I am not 100% sure they have stated a claim for recovery successfully. Not 100% familiar with the case law around #1 but that is probably their best chance. The negligence stuff maybe gets past the initial motion to dismiss but discovery would likely be limited to CDAs etc. The real value here for Gruden would be getting out of the motion to dismiss on the broader claims so that you can proceed to discovery. In discovery the NFL likely settles in short order since that’s where the reputational damage stuff will come out.


The Complaint is well drafted and comprehensive.

The NFL has, to say the least, a problem.
RE: What's Gruden's motivation?  
Vanzetti : 1/18/2022 11:15 am : link
In comment 15558399 BamaBlue said:
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The court is not a place to get your reputation back. If he wants a fight and drag a bunch of other people through the mud, that is just an ego trip.


We all say stuff to close friends that we would never say in public. Unfortunately for Grudrn, he did not understand that emails are the property of the organization and that they potentially last forever. He was using email as if it were a casual form of speech.

I think he knows his comments were no worse than others. The language used in sports behind the scenes is not PC and he probably feels he is being scapegoated.

I doubt he can be bought out unless they offer 20 million or something really high. He is not settling for 200k
RE: RE: What's Gruden's motivation?  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/18/2022 11:23 am : link
In comment 15559115 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 15558399 BamaBlue said:


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The court is not a place to get your reputation back. If he wants a fight and drag a bunch of other people through the mud, that is just an ego trip.



We all say stuff to close friends that we would never say in public. Unfortunately for Grudrn, he did not understand that emails are the property of the organization and that they potentially last forever. He was using email as if it were a casual form of speech.

I think he knows his comments were no worse than others. The language used in sports behind the scenes is not PC and he probably feels he is being scapegoated.

I doubt he can be bought out unless they offer 20 million or something really high. He is not settling for 200k

In this specific context, Gruden is an idiot.

I have spent decades in front offices, including several years at MSG, and it was just common sense to either move a convo to personal email or to text (and not on the company phone).

Gruden either had no concept of how digital communication works, or he possessed enough hubris to think that any potential blowback wouldn't apply to him.

Honestly, I could see either/both being true.

Oh, and $20M is unlikely to move the needle. Wasn't he owed something like $70M when he was terminated? I would imagine that any settlement for Gruden will begin with NINE figures.
Gruden  
TyreeHelmet : 1/18/2022 12:02 pm : link
Was Gruden using his personal email while corresponding with Allen and other other members of the Redskins organization? He was only an employee with ESPN during that time.

He was also 100% singled out I would guess because Goodell clearly had an axe to grind. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out...
RE: Gruden  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/18/2022 12:59 pm : link
In comment 15559229 TyreeHelmet said:
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Was Gruden using his personal email while corresponding with Allen and other other members of the Redskins organization? He was only an employee with ESPN during that time.

He was also 100% singled out I would guess because Goodell clearly had an axe to grind. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out...

My understanding is that Gruden was using his own personal email, but was emailing Allen and others via their NFL email addresses.
RE: Mayock is gone because he's made  
JinCO : 1/18/2022 2:52 pm : link
In comment 15558763 Breeze_94 said:
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6 first round picks- 2 of them are no longer on the roster because of legal issues, another (Ferrell) can't even get on the field despite being picked 4th overall over Josh Allen/Devin White, and 2 others have been very underwhelming (Abram and Leatherwood)

5 out of 6 first rounders he whiffed on- and he whiffed badly. His best first round pick, Jacobs, was still a horrible value.

The worst part about Mayock is most of these picks seemed questionable at the time of the draft- I've never seen a team pick so many guys 20 or 30 spots ahead of where the pundits had them going.


So let me get this straight, when Mayock was a pundit his mock draft was gospel. But as a GM, the guy he takes is not the right guy because other pundits disagree?
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