and I’m seeing it get killed a lot on social media tonight. You don’t need 7 teams and you don’t need Monday Night Football in the playoffs.
You especially don’t need the ESPN presentation of Monday Night Football which has mostly been a garbage production masquerading as a big deal for years now since Sunday Night Football became more important.
It hasn’t helped that these games have mostly been duds but now that it’s played out, I think the 17th game and the expanded playoffs are both failures.
Seeing this game on TV tonight didn’t scream big game at all. Felt exactly like a meaningless (to those on the East coast) mid season game that is easily a take it or leave it scenario.
All about money with Goodell. As many prime time games as possible. Players hate Thursday night football because of the short rest. Doesn’t care, keeps it going. Ruined the draft. Used to be fun getting buddies together to watch it all day on a Saturday. Now it spans two prime time evenings plus most of a Saturday.
and I’m seeing it get killed a lot on social media tonight. You don’t need 7 teams and you don’t need Monday Night Football in the playoffs.
You especially don’t need the ESPN presentation of Monday Night Football which has mostly been a garbage production masquerading as a big deal for years now since Sunday Night Football became more important.
It hasn’t helped that these games have mostly been duds but now that it’s played out, I think the 17th game and the expanded playoffs are both failures.
Seeing this game on TV tonight didn’t scream big game at all. Felt exactly like a meaningless (to those on the East coast) mid season game that is easily a take it or leave it scenario.
All about money with Goodell. As many prime time games as possible. Players hate Thursday night football because of the short rest. Doesn’t care, keeps it going. Ruined the draft. Used to be fun getting buddies together to watch it all day on a Saturday. Now it spans two prime time evenings plus most of a Saturday.
I agree with all of that except for the new draft format. I like round 1 and 2 on their own days
Lmao at j_rud's observation on the Donald Stop Hate chokeout. That image, taking place in the midst of a complete laugher of an expanded playoff monday effing night game is a fitting depiction of the NFL right now.
Excited for Divisionals. Just 10 more minutes and all the chaff will be out of here.
Are good enough to have been in position for the # 1 seed 5 weeks ago. Murray has them looking like they haven’t practiced.
He’s not very good.
Kyler is 2nd in completion pct, 6th in QBR, 4th in Y/A..
But he had a bad half of football in his first playoff game and therfore he's not very good. But we need 5 years to evaluate Daniel Jones. [/s]
Ok Ok ‘not very good’ was too kind.
He sucks.
Lol, Producer gets very defensive about other teams QB’s.
I’m not a Murray fan. Too short, offensive scheme is not conducive to winning a championship.
No, Producer just wants to apply the same standard to all players. If Daniel Jones had reached those statistical milestones, for instance, instead of 23rd, 26th, and 22nd respectively, folks here would be fitting him for a gold jacket.
And in terms of the offensive scheme not winning, the Cards won 11 games. Do you prefer the *hard nosed* running and defense style the Giants played? Which was good for 4 wins?
Are good enough to have been in position for the # 1 seed 5 weeks ago. Murray has them looking like they haven’t practiced.
He’s not very good.
Kyler is 2nd in completion pct, 6th in QBR, 4th in Y/A..
But he had a bad half of football in his first playoff game and therfore he's not very good. But we need 5 years to evaluate Daniel Jones. [/s]
Ok Ok ‘not very good’ was too kind.
He sucks.
Lol, Producer gets very defensive about other teams QB’s.
I’m not a Murray fan. Too short, offensive scheme is not conducive to winning a championship.
No, Producer just wants to apply the same standard to all players. If Daniel Jones had reached those statistical milestones, for instance, instead of 23rd, 26th, and 22nd respectively, folks here would be fitting him for a gold jacket.
And in terms of the offensive scheme not winning, the Cards won 11 games. Do you prefer the *hard nosed* running and defense style the Giants played? Which was good for 4 wins?
That style will win you some regular season games. But once you hit the playoffs and defenses start playing harder you can’t win with that spread college offense. That’s why it took so long for it to reach the NFL.
If that was us playing tonight and Jones threw that horrible pick 6... You and a couple others would be losing your minds... lol
To be fair, I'd be disappointed but a proven track record of solid play would give me hope. Something Daniel Jones doesn't have. That's the point which you seem to not want to acknowledge.
Are good enough to have been in position for the # 1 seed 5 weeks ago. Murray has them looking like they haven’t practiced.
He’s not very good.
Kyler is 2nd in completion pct, 6th in QBR, 4th in Y/A..
But he had a bad half of football in his first playoff game and therfore he's not very good. But we need 5 years to evaluate Daniel Jones. [/s]
Ok Ok ‘not very good’ was too kind.
He sucks.
Lol, Producer gets very defensive about other teams QB’s.
I’m not a Murray fan. Too short, offensive scheme is not conducive to winning a championship.
No, Producer just wants to apply the same standard to all players. If Daniel Jones had reached those statistical milestones, for instance, instead of 23rd, 26th, and 22nd respectively, folks here would be fitting him for a gold jacket.
And in terms of the offensive scheme not winning, the Cards won 11 games. Do you prefer the *hard nosed* running and defense style the Giants played? Which was good for 4 wins?
That style will win you some regular season games. But once you hit the playoffs and defenses start playing harder you can’t win with that spread college offense. That’s why it took so long for it to reach the NFL.
So glad you have a crystal ball and know how the game of football will evolve in the future. Where did you stand on the west coast offense before the 49ers won 5 Super Bowls with it?
I don’t think any of us really like Jones. But many are fairly critiquing Murray. He looked like shit tonight and hasn’t won anything of significance in three years in the league. It’s ok to critique his play.
That style will win you some regular season games. But once you hit the playoffs and defenses start playing harder you can’t win with that spread college offense. That’s why it took so long for it to reach the NFL.
So glad you have a crystal ball and know how the game of football will evolve in the future. Where did you stand on the west coast offense before the 49ers won 5 Super Bowls with it?
Not to mention Reid and the Chiefs are not winning with it?
I don’t think any of us really like Jones. But many are fairly critiquing Murray. He looked like shit tonight and hasn’t won anything of significance in three years in the league. It’s ok to critique his play.
I was told last night and today that Murray was much better than Dak. How did that manifest itself tonight? ;)
I don’t think any of us really like Jones. But many are fairly critiquing Murray. He looked like shit tonight and hasn’t won anything of significance in three years in the league. It’s ok to critique his play.
Sure. It was a bad game. But to say haunted, firing the coach, Murray sucks..
It's hyperbolic.
The Cards took an important step this season. I'm curious where they go from here.
he got embarrassed in his first ever playoff game and this is the point where he either proves he can take the next step (Super Bowl contention) or not
If that was us playing tonight and Jones threw that horrible pick 6... You and a couple others would be losing your minds... lol
To be fair, I'd be disappointed but a proven track record of solid play would give me hope. Something Daniel Jones doesn't have. That's the point which you seem to not want to acknowledge.
No, I acknowledge that. I do wonder where he'd be now if he stayed in Shurmur's offense, though. And if we actually addressed the OL. Meh. It doesn't matter now, I don't really care anymore. I'll still root for him though as long as he is a Giant. Hopefully we pick the right GM.
If that was us playing tonight and Jones threw that horrible pick 6... You and a couple others would be losing your minds... lol
To be fair, I'd be disappointed but a proven track record of solid play would give me hope. Something Daniel Jones doesn't have. That's the point which you seem to not want to acknowledge.
No, I acknowledge that. I do wonder where he'd be now if he stayed in Shurmur's offense, though. And if we actually addressed the OL. Meh. It doesn't matter now, I don't really care anymore. I'll still root for him though as long as he is a Giant. Hopefully we pick the right GM.
I hope so too. I want us to have some postseason fun.
Do you wonder where Henson would be if he beat Brady out of starting job at Michigan or stayed with Football instead of playing for the Yankees?
Shumur got fired from here because he wasn't a good coach he lost a ton of games and a lot of that was due to Jones propensity to turn the ball over.
Dude, gimme a break. He was pretty good in Shurmur's offense, obviously minus the fumbles, which is the only way he got better under Judge/Garret. He regressed in every other aspect of QB'ing. I'm not saying I wanted to keep Shurmur... lol. But our offense went to shit under Judge and Garrett. And Kitchens.
Do you wonder where Henson would be if he beat Brady out of starting job at Michigan or stayed with Football instead of playing for the Yankees?
Shumur got fired from here because he wasn't a good coach he lost a ton of games and a lot of that was due to Jones propensity to turn the ball over.
Dude, gimme a break. He was pretty good in Shurmur's offense, obviously minus the fumbles, which is the only way he got better under Judge/Garret. He regressed in every other aspect of QB'ing. I'm not saying I wanted to keep Shurmur... lol. But our offense went to shit under Judge and Garrett. And Kitchens.
Ok then who Glennons oc when he was a rookie nine years ago? Let’s bring him in since Glennon was good back then too and intervening years don’t count and Glennon int s don’t count either. We just get to cherry pick the good and ignite the bad and project onto the future about how it could be
RE: Aaron Donald choking someone while wearing a Stop Hate helmet
but their faltering down the stretch has now become problematic. Teams are adapting to their offense and they can't overcome injuries like the other top teams can. I think he gets one more season and they will load up on offense in the offseason.
some even wanting to move on from him since they doubt he's a franchise QB. Just goes to show you, unless your QB is Rogers or Brady, a bad game will cause fans to debate about whether or not the current QB is "the guy" regardless of talent.
Many want the GM and HC to be fired after this game. We wanted our HC and GM to be fired after this disaster season yet there is this fanbase with no historical success making the playoffs for the first time in 5 years and after a bad game want to blow it all up lol
- Cards have faltered late, yeah, but it took ESPN and the broadcast crew until deep into Q3 to show their record with and w/o D'Andre? I could have missed an early reference, but the difference is dramatic
- Speaking of the broadcast crew, on a different thread I agreed w/ another poster about their negatives: modifying that--it's Steve Levy who really turns my stomach
- Dontae Deayon when he was with the Giants last season (?), was it 2019?--his AA jumped out at you, his quickness, twitchiness--and he lacked experience. He is small, for sure, but he showed last night there is a place for him on an NFL roster
- Cam Akers, man he was impressive; I don't know how he squirted through so many holes that looked non-existent as a TV viewer
- Rams do seem to have coverage issues on medium/crossing routes over the middle. Not sure how much further they go, but their pass rush is going to give Brady fits
- Murray had a bad night up until it didn't matter any more, too bad. That desperation get rid of the ball to avoid a safety was positively Giants like
The fact Colt McCoy looks like an all star on that team despite playing here --and admittedly had some great clutch throws-- was replaced by Glennon . He hardly threw for 100 yards in his start where he upset Seattle.You add that up and it indicates to me there is something seriously wrong with him.
You especially don’t need the ESPN presentation of Monday Night Football which has mostly been a garbage production masquerading as a big deal for years now since Sunday Night Football became more important.
It hasn’t helped that these games have mostly been duds but now that it’s played out, I think the 17th game and the expanded playoffs are both failures.
Seeing this game on TV tonight didn’t scream big game at all. Felt exactly like a meaningless (to those on the East coast) mid season game that is easily a take it or leave it scenario.
All about money with Goodell. As many prime time games as possible. Players hate Thursday night football because of the short rest. Doesn’t care, keeps it going. Ruined the draft. Used to be fun getting buddies together to watch it all day on a Saturday. Now it spans two prime time evenings plus most of a Saturday.
Hahahahahaha
He went stiff like he caught one on the jaw
He’s not very good.
He’s not very good.
Kyler is 2nd in completion pct, 6th in QBR, 4th in Y/A..
But he had a bad half of football in his first playoff game and therfore he's not very good. But we need 5 years to evaluate Daniel Jones. [/s]
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and I’m seeing it get killed a lot on social media tonight. You don’t need 7 teams and you don’t need Monday Night Football in the playoffs.
You especially don’t need the ESPN presentation of Monday Night Football which has mostly been a garbage production masquerading as a big deal for years now since Sunday Night Football became more important.
It hasn’t helped that these games have mostly been duds but now that it’s played out, I think the 17th game and the expanded playoffs are both failures.
Seeing this game on TV tonight didn’t scream big game at all. Felt exactly like a meaningless (to those on the East coast) mid season game that is easily a take it or leave it scenario.
All about money with Goodell. As many prime time games as possible. Players hate Thursday night football because of the short rest. Doesn’t care, keeps it going. Ruined the draft. Used to be fun getting buddies together to watch it all day on a Saturday. Now it spans two prime time evenings plus most of a Saturday.
I agree with all of that except for the new draft format. I like round 1 and 2 on their own days
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Are good enough to have been in position for the # 1 seed 5 weeks ago. Murray has them looking like they haven’t practiced.
He’s not very good.
Kyler is 2nd in completion pct, 6th in QBR, 4th in Y/A..
But he had a bad half of football in his first playoff game and therfore he's not very good. But we need 5 years to evaluate Daniel Jones. [/s]
Ok Ok ‘not very good’ was too kind.
He sucks.
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Are good enough to have been in position for the # 1 seed 5 weeks ago. Murray has them looking like they haven’t practiced.
He’s not very good.
Kyler is 2nd in completion pct, 6th in QBR, 4th in Y/A..
But he had a bad half of football in his first playoff game and therfore he's not very good. But we need 5 years to evaluate Daniel Jones. [/s]
Ok Ok ‘not very good’ was too kind.
He sucks.
Lol, Producer gets very defensive about other teams QB’s.
I’m not a Murray fan. Too short, offensive scheme is not conducive to winning a championship.
Lmao at j_rud's observation on the Donald Stop Hate chokeout. That image, taking place in the midst of a complete laugher of an expanded playoff monday effing night game is a fitting depiction of the NFL right now.
Excited for Divisionals. Just 10 more minutes and all the chaff will be out of here.
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Are good enough to have been in position for the # 1 seed 5 weeks ago. Murray has them looking like they haven’t practiced.
He’s not very good.
Kyler is 2nd in completion pct, 6th in QBR, 4th in Y/A..
But he had a bad half of football in his first playoff game and therfore he's not very good. But we need 5 years to evaluate Daniel Jones. [/s]
Ok Ok ‘not very good’ was too kind.
He sucks.
Lol, Producer gets very defensive about other teams QB’s.
I’m not a Murray fan. Too short, offensive scheme is not conducive to winning a championship.
No, Producer just wants to apply the same standard to all players. If Daniel Jones had reached those statistical milestones, for instance, instead of 23rd, 26th, and 22nd respectively, folks here would be fitting him for a gold jacket.
And in terms of the offensive scheme not winning, the Cards won 11 games. Do you prefer the *hard nosed* running and defense style the Giants played? Which was good for 4 wins?
And a OT and 2 guards and a couple TEs and a DT and an EDGE rusher and an ILB and a safety
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In comment 15558692 Producer said:
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In comment 15558688 Ron Johnson said:
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Are good enough to have been in position for the # 1 seed 5 weeks ago. Murray has them looking like they haven’t practiced.
He’s not very good.
Kyler is 2nd in completion pct, 6th in QBR, 4th in Y/A..
But he had a bad half of football in his first playoff game and therfore he's not very good. But we need 5 years to evaluate Daniel Jones. [/s]
Ok Ok ‘not very good’ was too kind.
He sucks.
Lol, Producer gets very defensive about other teams QB’s.
I’m not a Murray fan. Too short, offensive scheme is not conducive to winning a championship.
No, Producer just wants to apply the same standard to all players. If Daniel Jones had reached those statistical milestones, for instance, instead of 23rd, 26th, and 22nd respectively, folks here would be fitting him for a gold jacket.
And in terms of the offensive scheme not winning, the Cards won 11 games. Do you prefer the *hard nosed* running and defense style the Giants played? Which was good for 4 wins?
That style will win you some regular season games. But once you hit the playoffs and defenses start playing harder you can’t win with that spread college offense. That’s why it took so long for it to reach the NFL.
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And a OT and 2 guards and a couple TEs and a DT and an EDGE rusher and an ILB and a safety
And a center
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slot receiver
And a OT and 2 guards and a couple TEs and a DT and an EDGE rusher and an ILB and a safety
And a center
And a punter. Shit.
To be fair, I'd be disappointed but a proven track record of solid play would give me hope. Something Daniel Jones doesn't have. That's the point which you seem to not want to acknowledge.
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Are good enough to have been in position for the # 1 seed 5 weeks ago. Murray has them looking like they haven’t practiced.
He’s not very good.
Kyler is 2nd in completion pct, 6th in QBR, 4th in Y/A..
But he had a bad half of football in his first playoff game and therfore he's not very good. But we need 5 years to evaluate Daniel Jones. [/s]
Ok Ok ‘not very good’ was too kind.
He sucks.
Lol, Producer gets very defensive about other teams QB’s.
I’m not a Murray fan. Too short, offensive scheme is not conducive to winning a championship.
No, Producer just wants to apply the same standard to all players. If Daniel Jones had reached those statistical milestones, for instance, instead of 23rd, 26th, and 22nd respectively, folks here would be fitting him for a gold jacket.
And in terms of the offensive scheme not winning, the Cards won 11 games. Do you prefer the *hard nosed* running and defense style the Giants played? Which was good for 4 wins?
That style will win you some regular season games. But once you hit the playoffs and defenses start playing harder you can’t win with that spread college offense. That’s why it took so long for it to reach the NFL.
So glad you have a crystal ball and know how the game of football will evolve in the future. Where did you stand on the west coast offense before the 49ers won 5 Super Bowls with it?
They have the type of defense that can do some damage. They are a big play defense with some big pash rushers and a shutdown corner.
That style will win you some regular season games. But once you hit the playoffs and defenses start playing harder you can’t win with that spread college offense. That’s why it took so long for it to reach the NFL.
So glad you have a crystal ball and know how the game of football will evolve in the future. Where did you stand on the west coast offense before the 49ers won 5 Super Bowls with it?
Not to mention Reid and the Chiefs are not winning with it?
I was told last night and today that Murray was much better than Dak. How did that manifest itself tonight? ;)
Sure. It was a bad game. But to say haunted, firing the coach, Murray sucks..
It's hyperbolic.
The Cards took an important step this season. I'm curious where they go from here.
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Peppers gives jag new definition
Maybe you didn’t realize this but it wasn’t a straight up OBJ for Peppers trade.
i realized this. 2 other forgettable jags were involved too. Dex is a Jag as well.
Other JAGs that BBI seems to pump up and elevate Blake Martinz Nick Gates.
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Eli played on a team that was barely above 500 when he played in a playoff game as what seed ? a wild card at like 9-7?
That is far different than a team that makes pea shooter colt McCoy look like an all star
Giants went 11-5 during Eli's first playoff season. Had Jay Feeley made one field goal out of three, they would have had a bye that year.
Excuse my ass I got the 2006 season confused with the 2005 one ; it has only been 17 years ago.
The point is made that Eli was playing in his first ever full NFL season ; that is different than Kyler playing in 3 full seasons.
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If that was us playing tonight and Jones threw that horrible pick 6... You and a couple others would be losing your minds... lol
To be fair, I'd be disappointed but a proven track record of solid play would give me hope. Something Daniel Jones doesn't have. That's the point which you seem to not want to acknowledge.
No, I acknowledge that. I do wonder where he'd be now if he stayed in Shurmur's offense, though. And if we actually addressed the OL. Meh. It doesn't matter now, I don't really care anymore. I'll still root for him though as long as he is a Giant. Hopefully we pick the right GM.
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If that was us playing tonight and Jones threw that horrible pick 6... You and a couple others would be losing your minds... lol
To be fair, I'd be disappointed but a proven track record of solid play would give me hope. Something Daniel Jones doesn't have. That's the point which you seem to not want to acknowledge.
No, I acknowledge that. I do wonder where he'd be now if he stayed in Shurmur's offense, though. And if we actually addressed the OL. Meh. It doesn't matter now, I don't really care anymore. I'll still root for him though as long as he is a Giant. Hopefully we pick the right GM.
I hope so too. I want us to have some postseason fun.
Do you wonder where Henson would be if he beat Brady out of starting job at Michigan or stayed with Football instead of playing for the Yankees?
Shumur got fired from here because he wasn't a good coach he lost a ton of games and a lot of that was due to Jones propensity to turn the ball over.
Do you wonder where Henson would be if he beat Brady out of starting job at Michigan or stayed with Football instead of playing for the Yankees?
Shumur got fired from here because he wasn't a good coach he lost a ton of games and a lot of that was due to Jones propensity to turn the ball over.
Dude, gimme a break. He was pretty good in Shurmur's offense, obviously minus the fumbles, which is the only way he got better under Judge/Garret. He regressed in every other aspect of QB'ing. I'm not saying I wanted to keep Shurmur... lol. But our offense went to shit under Judge and Garrett. And Kitchens.
Texas Tech:
• '13: lost 5 of 6
• '14: lost 4 of 6
• '15: lost 4 of 6
• '16: lost 6 of 8
• '17: lost 6 of 8
• '18: lost 5 of 5
Cardinals:
• '19: lost 7 of 9
• '20: lost 5 of 7
• ‘21: lost 5 of 6
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Do you wonder where Case Keenum would be too ?
Do you wonder where Henson would be if he beat Brady out of starting job at Michigan or stayed with Football instead of playing for the Yankees?
Shumur got fired from here because he wasn't a good coach he lost a ton of games and a lot of that was due to Jones propensity to turn the ball over.
Dude, gimme a break. He was pretty good in Shurmur's offense, obviously minus the fumbles, which is the only way he got better under Judge/Garret. He regressed in every other aspect of QB'ing. I'm not saying I wanted to keep Shurmur... lol. But our offense went to shit under Judge and Garrett. And Kitchens.
Ok then who Glennons oc when he was a rookie nine years ago? Let’s bring him in since Glennon was good back then too and intervening years don’t count and Glennon int s don’t count either. We just get to cherry pick the good and ignite the bad and project onto the future about how it could be
Lol what if their last name was Hate and he was stopping them from breathing
Texas Tech:
• '13: lost 5 of 6
• '14: lost 4 of 6
• '15: lost 4 of 6
• '16: lost 6 of 8
• '17: lost 6 of 8
• '18: lost 5 of 5
Cardinals:
• '19: lost 7 of 9
• '20: lost 5 of 7
• ‘21: lost 5 of 6
Yeah, wow. That is incredibly damning.
Many want the GM and HC to be fired after this game. We wanted our HC and GM to be fired after this disaster season yet there is this fanbase with no historical success making the playoffs for the first time in 5 years and after a bad game want to blow it all up lol
- Speaking of the broadcast crew, on a different thread I agreed w/ another poster about their negatives: modifying that--it's Steve Levy who really turns my stomach
- Dontae Deayon when he was with the Giants last season (?), was it 2019?--his AA jumped out at you, his quickness, twitchiness--and he lacked experience. He is small, for sure, but he showed last night there is a place for him on an NFL roster
- Cam Akers, man he was impressive; I don't know how he squirted through so many holes that looked non-existent as a TV viewer
- Rams do seem to have coverage issues on medium/crossing routes over the middle. Not sure how much further they go, but their pass rush is going to give Brady fits
- Murray had a bad night up until it didn't matter any more, too bad. That desperation get rid of the ball to avoid a safety was positively Giants like
The fact Colt McCoy looks like an all star on that team despite playing here --and admittedly had some great clutch throws-- was replaced by Glennon . He hardly threw for 100 yards in his start where he upset Seattle.You add that up and it indicates to me there is something seriously wrong with him.