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Trainmaster : 1/17/2022 7:55 pm
Go Cardinals. Beat the Rams and their bandwagon fans!

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RE: Shows you the difference between regular season and playoffs  
eric2425ny : 1/17/2022 10:25 pm : link
In comment 15558655 dpinzow said:
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and Cardinals not having Hopkins

Cardinals thrashed the Rams 37-20 in LA earlier in the season. Now with the playoff intensity ratched up they're getting thrashed


It’s kind of like the NBA now. Defenses tend to play harder in the playoffs. I think the Hopkins absence is being a little overblown. He wasn’t healthy all year and is not in his prime anymore at this stage.
RE: RE: The overreactions on this thread are hilarious  
Producer : 1/17/2022 10:26 pm : link
In comment 15558648 jvm52106 said:
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Haunting debacle?

Fire Kingsbury?

You guys have watched the NFL playoffs before, right?



Producer- do you follow football,? Kingsbury has been rumored to be in a bit of trouble and Murray regressing may be the nail in the coffin. Not saying it will, saying it could happen.


Kingsbury in trouble? Rumored by who? Loudmouths on BBI? I'll take Kingsbury and Kyler. They're a young teem building something. Of course there will be ups and downs.

We have people here defending Daniel Jones but can't see Kyler is an excellent talent. I think you're the one that doesn't follow football.
RE: RE: Shows you the difference between regular season and playoffs  
dpinzow : 1/17/2022 10:27 pm : link
In comment 15558660 eric2425ny said:
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and Cardinals not having Hopkins

Cardinals thrashed the Rams 37-20 in LA earlier in the season. Now with the playoff intensity ratched up they're getting thrashed



It’s kind of like the NBA now. Defenses tend to play harder in the playoffs. I think the Hopkins absence is being a little overblown. He wasn’t healthy all year and is not in his prime anymore at this stage.


Playoff intensity and speed of the game is always faster than the regular season. This was true when Parcells was coaching LT in the 80s
This playoff format sucks  
Chris684 : 1/17/2022 10:27 pm : link
and I’m seeing it get killed a lot on social media tonight. You don’t need 7 teams and you don’t need Monday Night Football in the playoffs.

You especially don’t need the ESPN presentation of Monday Night Football which has mostly been a garbage production masquerading as a big deal for years now since Sunday Night Football became more important.

It hasn’t helped that these games have mostly been duds but now that it’s played out, I think the 17th game and the expanded playoffs are both failures.

Seeing this game on TV tonight didn’t scream big game at all. Felt exactly like a meaningless (to those on the East coast) mid season game that is easily a take it or leave it scenario.
Put McCoy in  
Debaser : 1/17/2022 10:28 pm : link
What the heck is this Glennon playing with a screw up wrist
Aaron Donald choking someone while wearing a Stop Hate helmet  
j_rud : 1/17/2022 10:29 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: The overreactions on this thread are hilarious  
jvm52106 : 1/17/2022 10:30 pm : link
In comment 15558662 Producer said:
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Haunting debacle?

Fire Kingsbury?

You guys have watched the NFL playoffs before, right?



Producer- do you follow football,? Kingsbury has been rumored to be in a bit of trouble and Murray regressing may be the nail in the coffin. Not saying it will, saying it could happen.



Kingsbury in trouble? Rumored by who? Loudmouths on BBI? I'll take Kingsbury and Kyler. They're a young teem building something. Of course there will be ups and downs.

We have people here defending Daniel Jones but can't see Kyler is an excellent talent. I think you're the one that doesn't follow football.


Read down some..
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RE: This playoff format sucks  
eric2425ny : 1/17/2022 10:30 pm : link
In comment 15558665 Chris684 said:
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and I’m seeing it get killed a lot on social media tonight. You don’t need 7 teams and you don’t need Monday Night Football in the playoffs.

You especially don’t need the ESPN presentation of Monday Night Football which has mostly been a garbage production masquerading as a big deal for years now since Sunday Night Football became more important.

It hasn’t helped that these games have mostly been duds but now that it’s played out, I think the 17th game and the expanded playoffs are both failures.

Seeing this game on TV tonight didn’t scream big game at all. Felt exactly like a meaningless (to those on the East coast) mid season game that is easily a take it or leave it scenario.


All about money with Goodell. As many prime time games as possible. Players hate Thursday night football because of the short rest. Doesn’t care, keeps it going. Ruined the draft. Used to be fun getting buddies together to watch it all day on a Saturday. Now it spans two prime time evenings plus most of a Saturday.
John Madden  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/17/2022 10:31 pm : link
Always talked about the intensity and speed come playoff time. Like most things he was right.
If ever there was a team that needs a turnover  
montanagiant : 1/17/2022 10:33 pm : link
it's the Cards right now on this drive
RE: Aaron Donald choking someone while wearing a Stop Hate helmet  
Jalapeno : 1/17/2022 10:35 pm : link
In comment 15558669 j_rud said:
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Hahahahahaha
Budda Baker down after making that tackle  
dpinzow : 1/17/2022 10:36 pm : link
looks serious
RE: Budda Baker down after making that tackle  
j_rud : 1/17/2022 10:38 pm : link
In comment 15558681 dpinzow said:
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looks serious


He went stiff like he caught one on the jaw
wow, what a disappointing weekend of football  
islander1 : 1/17/2022 10:43 pm : link
glad I watched all of the SF/Dallas game, at least.
The Cardinals  
Ron Johnson : 1/17/2022 10:45 pm : link
Are good enough to have been in position for the # 1 seed 5 weeks ago. Murray has them looking like they haven’t practiced.

He’s not very good.
RE: The Cardinals  
Producer : 1/17/2022 10:49 pm : link
In comment 15558688 Ron Johnson said:
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Are good enough to have been in position for the # 1 seed 5 weeks ago. Murray has them looking like they haven’t practiced.

He’s not very good.


Kyler is 2nd in completion pct, 6th in QBR, 4th in Y/A..

But he had a bad half of football in his first playoff game and therfore he's not very good. But we need 5 years to evaluate Daniel Jones. [/s]
RE: RE: This playoff format sucks  
jnoble : 1/17/2022 10:49 pm : link
In comment 15558673 eric2425ny said:
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and I’m seeing it get killed a lot on social media tonight. You don’t need 7 teams and you don’t need Monday Night Football in the playoffs.

You especially don’t need the ESPN presentation of Monday Night Football which has mostly been a garbage production masquerading as a big deal for years now since Sunday Night Football became more important.

It hasn’t helped that these games have mostly been duds but now that it’s played out, I think the 17th game and the expanded playoffs are both failures.

Seeing this game on TV tonight didn’t scream big game at all. Felt exactly like a meaningless (to those on the East coast) mid season game that is easily a take it or leave it scenario.



All about money with Goodell. As many prime time games as possible. Players hate Thursday night football because of the short rest. Doesn’t care, keeps it going. Ruined the draft. Used to be fun getting buddies together to watch it all day on a Saturday. Now it spans two prime time evenings plus most of a Saturday.

I agree with all of that except for the new draft format. I like round 1 and 2 on their own days
You think Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson  
j_rud : 1/17/2022 10:49 pm : link
are salty watching Stafford? Like the old criminals jealous of the young buck who makes it out of the neighborhood before he wastes his life?
RE: RE: The Cardinals  
Ron Johnson : 1/17/2022 10:52 pm : link
In comment 15558692 Producer said:
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Are good enough to have been in position for the # 1 seed 5 weeks ago. Murray has them looking like they haven’t practiced.

He’s not very good.



Kyler is 2nd in completion pct, 6th in QBR, 4th in Y/A..

But he had a bad half of football in his first playoff game and therfore he's not very good. But we need 5 years to evaluate Daniel Jones. [/s]


Ok Ok ‘not very good’ was too kind.

He sucks.
Murray is now locking into  
montanagiant : 1/17/2022 10:54 pm : link
Targets
RE: RE: RE: The Cardinals  
eric2425ny : 1/17/2022 10:54 pm : link
In comment 15558696 Ron Johnson said:
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Are good enough to have been in position for the # 1 seed 5 weeks ago. Murray has them looking like they haven’t practiced.

He’s not very good.



Kyler is 2nd in completion pct, 6th in QBR, 4th in Y/A..

But he had a bad half of football in his first playoff game and therfore he's not very good. But we need 5 years to evaluate Daniel Jones. [/s]



Ok Ok ‘not very good’ was too kind.

He sucks.


Lol, Producer gets very defensive about other teams QB’s.

I’m not a Murray fan. Too short, offensive scheme is not conducive to winning a championship.
Murray and Cards  
JB_in_DC : 1/17/2022 10:56 pm : link
haven't been the same since his injury.

Lmao at j_rud's observation on the Donald Stop Hate chokeout. That image, taking place in the midst of a complete laugher of an expanded playoff monday effing night game is a fitting depiction of the NFL right now.

Excited for Divisionals. Just 10 more minutes and all the chaff will be out of here.
I have a throwaway $20 bet  
j_rud : 1/17/2022 11:00 pm : link
For Beckham 1st TD and Rams by 13+ that would pay out $400 so I'm pretty engrossed...
I'm happy for Stafford. He was patient for a long time in Detroit  
Ira : 1/17/2022 11:02 pm : link
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We are in desperate need of an explosive  
shadow_spinner0 : 1/17/2022 11:05 pm : link
slot receiver
Kupp with more YAC than any Giants receiver has yardage  
j_rud : 1/17/2022 11:08 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: The Cardinals  
Producer : 1/17/2022 11:10 pm : link
In comment 15558700 eric2425ny said:
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Are good enough to have been in position for the # 1 seed 5 weeks ago. Murray has them looking like they haven’t practiced.

He’s not very good.



Kyler is 2nd in completion pct, 6th in QBR, 4th in Y/A..

But he had a bad half of football in his first playoff game and therfore he's not very good. But we need 5 years to evaluate Daniel Jones. [/s]



Ok Ok ‘not very good’ was too kind.

He sucks.



Lol, Producer gets very defensive about other teams QB’s.

I’m not a Murray fan. Too short, offensive scheme is not conducive to winning a championship.


No, Producer just wants to apply the same standard to all players. If Daniel Jones had reached those statistical milestones, for instance, instead of 23rd, 26th, and 22nd respectively, folks here would be fitting him for a gold jacket.

And in terms of the offensive scheme not winning, the Cards won 11 games. Do you prefer the *hard nosed* running and defense style the Giants played? Which was good for 4 wins?
RE: We are in desperate need of an explosive  
j_rud : 1/17/2022 11:12 pm : link
In comment 15558709 shadow_spinner0 said:
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slot receiver

And a OT and 2 guards and a couple TEs and a DT and an EDGE rusher and an ILB and a safety
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The Cardinals  
eric2425ny : 1/17/2022 11:13 pm : link
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Are good enough to have been in position for the # 1 seed 5 weeks ago. Murray has them looking like they haven’t practiced.

He’s not very good.



Kyler is 2nd in completion pct, 6th in QBR, 4th in Y/A..

But he had a bad half of football in his first playoff game and therfore he's not very good. But we need 5 years to evaluate Daniel Jones. [/s]



Ok Ok ‘not very good’ was too kind.

He sucks.



Lol, Producer gets very defensive about other teams QB’s.

I’m not a Murray fan. Too short, offensive scheme is not conducive to winning a championship.



No, Producer just wants to apply the same standard to all players. If Daniel Jones had reached those statistical milestones, for instance, instead of 23rd, 26th, and 22nd respectively, folks here would be fitting him for a gold jacket.

And in terms of the offensive scheme not winning, the Cards won 11 games. Do you prefer the *hard nosed* running and defense style the Giants played? Which was good for 4 wins?


That style will win you some regular season games. But once you hit the playoffs and defenses start playing harder you can’t win with that spread college offense. That’s why it took so long for it to reach the NFL.
RE: RE: We are in desperate need of an explosive  
j_rud : 1/17/2022 11:13 pm : link
In comment 15558714 j_rud said:
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slot receiver


And a OT and 2 guards and a couple TEs and a DT and an EDGE rusher and an ILB and a safety

And a center
To be fair Producer...  
Johnny5 : 1/17/2022 11:13 pm : link
If that was us playing tonight and Jones threw that horrible pick 6... You and a couple others would be losing your minds... lol
RE: RE: RE: We are in desperate need of an explosive  
j_rud : 1/17/2022 11:13 pm : link
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slot receiver


And a OT and 2 guards and a couple TEs and a DT and an EDGE rusher and an ILB and a safety


And a center

And a punter. Shit.
RE: To be fair Producer...  
Producer : 1/17/2022 11:16 pm : link
In comment 15558717 Johnny5 said:
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If that was us playing tonight and Jones threw that horrible pick 6... You and a couple others would be losing your minds... lol


To be fair, I'd be disappointed but a proven track record of solid play would give me hope. Something Daniel Jones doesn't have. That's the point which you seem to not want to acknowledge.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The Cardinals  
Producer : 1/17/2022 11:18 pm : link
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Are good enough to have been in position for the # 1 seed 5 weeks ago. Murray has them looking like they haven’t practiced.

He’s not very good.



Kyler is 2nd in completion pct, 6th in QBR, 4th in Y/A..

But he had a bad half of football in his first playoff game and therfore he's not very good. But we need 5 years to evaluate Daniel Jones. [/s]



Ok Ok ‘not very good’ was too kind.

He sucks.



Lol, Producer gets very defensive about other teams QB’s.

I’m not a Murray fan. Too short, offensive scheme is not conducive to winning a championship.



No, Producer just wants to apply the same standard to all players. If Daniel Jones had reached those statistical milestones, for instance, instead of 23rd, 26th, and 22nd respectively, folks here would be fitting him for a gold jacket.

And in terms of the offensive scheme not winning, the Cards won 11 games. Do you prefer the *hard nosed* running and defense style the Giants played? Which was good for 4 wins?



That style will win you some regular season games. But once you hit the playoffs and defenses start playing harder you can’t win with that spread college offense. That’s why it took so long for it to reach the NFL.


So glad you have a crystal ball and know how the game of football will evolve in the future. Where did you stand on the west coast offense before the 49ers won 5 Super Bowls with it?
As long as the Rams can  
Giantimistic : 1/17/2022 11:18 pm : link
avoid bad weather games, they are going to be a hard team to beat.

They have the type of defense that can do some damage. They are a big play defense with some big pash rushers and a shutdown corner.
Producer  
eric2425ny : 1/17/2022 11:19 pm : link
I don’t think any of us really like Jones. But many are fairly critiquing Murray. He looked like shit tonight and hasn’t won anything of significance in three years in the league. It’s ok to critique his play.
Donte Deayon  
Paulie Walnuts : 1/17/2022 11:25 pm : link
Sighting
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The Cardinals  
Debaser : 1/17/2022 11:26 pm : link
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That style will win you some regular season games. But once you hit the playoffs and defenses start playing harder you can’t win with that spread college offense. That’s why it took so long for it to reach the NFL.



So glad you have a crystal ball and know how the game of football will evolve in the future. Where did you stand on the west coast offense before the 49ers won 5 Super Bowls with it?


Not to mention Reid and the Chiefs are not winning with it?
RE: Producer  
bw in dc : 1/17/2022 11:26 pm : link
In comment 15558723 eric2425ny said:
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I don’t think any of us really like Jones. But many are fairly critiquing Murray. He looked like shit tonight and hasn’t won anything of significance in three years in the league. It’s ok to critique his play.


I was told last night and today that Murray was much better than Dak. How did that manifest itself tonight? ;)
RE: Producer  
Producer : 1/17/2022 11:26 pm : link
In comment 15558723 eric2425ny said:
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I don’t think any of us really like Jones. But many are fairly critiquing Murray. He looked like shit tonight and hasn’t won anything of significance in three years in the league. It’s ok to critique his play.


Sure. It was a bad game. But to say haunted, firing the coach, Murray sucks..

It's hyperbolic.

The Cards took an important step this season. I'm curious where they go from here.
Kyler Murray has a lot to prove next year  
dpinzow : 1/17/2022 11:27 pm : link
he got embarrassed in his first ever playoff game and this is the point where he either proves he can take the next step (Super Bowl contention) or not
Big congrats to Stafford...  
bw in dc : 1/17/2022 11:28 pm : link
on getting his playoff win. One of the great arm talents we've seen. I have a feeling he's got bigger things ahead in Tampa.
RE: RE: How was it a good trade  
Debaser : 1/17/2022 11:28 pm : link
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Peppers gives jag new definition



Maybe you didn’t realize this but it wasn’t a straight up OBJ for Peppers trade.


i realized this. 2 other forgettable jags were involved too. Dex is a Jag as well.

Other JAGs that BBI seems to pump up and elevate Blake Martinz Nick Gates.
RE: RE: Eli  
Debaser : 1/17/2022 11:39 pm : link
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Eli played on a team that was barely above 500 when he played in a playoff game as what seed ? a wild card at like 9-7?

That is far different than a team that makes pea shooter colt McCoy look like an all star



Giants went 11-5 during Eli's first playoff season. Had Jay Feeley made one field goal out of three, they would have had a bye that year.


Excuse my ass I got the 2006 season confused with the 2005 one ; it has only been 17 years ago.

The point is made that Eli was playing in his first ever full NFL season ; that is different than Kyler playing in 3 full seasons.
Classic beatdown  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 1/17/2022 11:44 pm : link
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RE: To be fair Producer...  
Johnny5 : 1/17/2022 11:45 pm : link
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If that was us playing tonight and Jones threw that horrible pick 6... You and a couple others would be losing your minds... lol



To be fair, I'd be disappointed but a proven track record of solid play would give me hope. Something Daniel Jones doesn't have. That's the point which you seem to not want to acknowledge.

No, I acknowledge that. I do wonder where he'd be now if he stayed in Shurmur's offense, though. And if we actually addressed the OL. Meh. It doesn't matter now, I don't really care anymore. I'll still root for him though as long as he is a Giant. Hopefully we pick the right GM.
RE: RE: To be fair Producer...  
Producer : 1/17/2022 11:50 pm : link
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If that was us playing tonight and Jones threw that horrible pick 6... You and a couple others would be losing your minds... lol



To be fair, I'd be disappointed but a proven track record of solid play would give me hope. Something Daniel Jones doesn't have. That's the point which you seem to not want to acknowledge.


No, I acknowledge that. I do wonder where he'd be now if he stayed in Shurmur's offense, though. And if we actually addressed the OL. Meh. It doesn't matter now, I don't really care anymore. I'll still root for him though as long as he is a Giant. Hopefully we pick the right GM.


I hope so too. I want us to have some postseason fun.
Shurmur shit again  
Debaser : 1/17/2022 11:52 pm : link
Do you wonder where Case Keenum would be too ?

Do you wonder where Henson would be if he beat Brady out of starting job at Michigan or stayed with Football instead of playing for the Yankees?

Shumur got fired from here because he wasn't a good coach he lost a ton of games and a lot of that was due to Jones propensity to turn the ball over.
RE: Shurmur shit again  
Johnny5 : 1/17/2022 11:58 pm : link
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Do you wonder where Case Keenum would be too ?

Do you wonder where Henson would be if he beat Brady out of starting job at Michigan or stayed with Football instead of playing for the Yankees?

Shumur got fired from here because he wasn't a good coach he lost a ton of games and a lot of that was due to Jones propensity to turn the ball over.

Dude, gimme a break. He was pretty good in Shurmur's offense, obviously minus the fumbles, which is the only way he got better under Judge/Garret. He regressed in every other aspect of QB'ing. I'm not saying I wanted to keep Shurmur... lol. But our offense went to shit under Judge and Garrett. And Kitchens.
Wow  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/18/2022 12:08 am : link
Kliff Kingsbury's end to the season as a head coach

Texas Tech:
• '13: lost 5 of 6
• '14: lost 4 of 6
• '15: lost 4 of 6
• '16: lost 6 of 8
• '17: lost 6 of 8
• '18: lost 5 of 5

Cardinals:
• '19: lost 7 of 9
• '20: lost 5 of 7
• ‘21: lost 5 of 6
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