What a terrific fail that we weren't able to make this work long term.
I get that Odell could be a head case but there are tons of headcases in the NFL and teams make concessions to make it work.
Sorry not sorry - but watching him tonight makes me sad for the Giants and happy for him. You go OBJ!
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Where’s this narrative coming from? He signed a huge contract here and always stated he wanted to retire a Giant and be like LT.
did you just crawl out from under a rock or were you in a coma when he was tweeting just weeks after he signed that contract?
What are you talking about?
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Where’s this narrative coming from? He signed a huge contract here and always stated he wanted to retire a Giant and be like LT.
did you just crawl out from under a rock or were you in a coma when he was tweeting just weeks after he signed that contract?
What are you talking about?
This is BBI, darlin'. Don't fight emotions with logic. How dare you!
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He didn’t want to be here.
He did the same thing in Cleveland
What are you gonna do? At least the Giant got something
Cleveland was forced to cut him
He was right... Neither team has looked good.
and he took the money and looked like shit for how long in Cleveland? They finally couldn't take it any longer and cut him. Just how long do you expect this "bliss"to last in LA?
Plus he is just a shadow of what he once was.
And they build a team that talent doesn't want to leave.
Talk about revisionist history. He should have been traded but when exactly did he mail it in on the field? During the the year he had 77-1050-6 plus 2 passing TDS in 12 games? Or the 3 years he averaged 96-1374-12?
He should have been traded because the Giants weren’t in a situation to afford a contract that big at WR plus the distractions weren’t worth it for a bad team, but we don’t have to make stuff about his on the field performance
Good riddance
All the talent and ability in the world and 2 cent brain
I’m a Beckham fan, I like watching him play, but at that point he wasn’t going to work here anymore.
Thank you. Perfectly put. You knew a stupid thread like this would start the first time he actually did something.
I do always wonder what OBJ & Jones would have been like, though.
You'd think he was having the season Cooper Kupp was, the way people slobber all over him for the smallest things.
Hopefully, he finds success in LA.
He always liked the West Coast more
Biggest mistake was DG giving him the extension and then possibly not getting maximum value for him in the trade.
You are correct. He never said he wanted out. Does he prefer the nightlife of South Beach or LA more than NYC? Absolutely. But this preference has no bearing on where he plays football during the season. Coughlin failed to discipline him and his antics worsened. Then his injuries limited him. DG's error was not drafting a quarterback to replace Eli in 2018. He could have had Josh Allen. Allen and OBJ would have gone well together. Too bad for our side.
This. Hard to look at what Beckum has done since leaving the Giants and have regrets about the trade.
Not surprised, though Giants deserve to be ripped, even if it means using examples that make no sense.
Having said that, the Giants made the right move to trade him.
We'll see how long he lasts in LA.
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Where’s this narrative coming from? He signed a huge contract here and always stated he wanted to retire a Giant and be like LT.
You are correct. He never said he wanted out. Does he prefer the nightlife of South Beach or LA more than NYC? Absolutely. But this preference has no bearing on where he plays football during the season. Coughlin failed to discipline him and his antics worsened. Then his injuries limited him. DG's error was not drafting a quarterback to replace Eli in 2018. He could have had Josh Allen. Allen and OBJ would have gone well together. Too bad for our side.
He never said "I want out" of NY but he did literally say he wasn't happy and couldnt do it anymore, which is essentially the same thing. Then he got traded to Cleveland and didn't want to play there either. He's where he always wanted to be and we'll see how long his happiness lasts this time. If I were a betting man, I'd put money on him wanting out of LA as well if they start losing consistently.
Probably the most honest thing OBJ has ever said is that he thinks is just "all about happiness." Because the minute he's not happy anymore, he throws tantrums
* They paid OBJ a bundle instead of coming to that realization first and trading him before the new contract.
* Then they gave up and traded him for assets that really haven't worked out too well. What a shocker with the quality GM we had.
* And then decided to replace OBJ at WR with an overpaid aged free agent in Golden Tate who became another expensive pain in the ass.
* And then replaced Tate with another first round ding-dong WR in Kadarius Toney.
nice job all-around here...
He’s a self absorbed assholes who is a front runner. He’s on a great team with an excellent QB. So he’s front running. Wonderful.
If he wasn’t? He would be a complete asshole making videos under his dads instagram account or ripping his teammates through an interview with a rapper.
Let it go people. We were shit with him, and are shit without him.
It's all pretty depressing to think about what could have been.
Maybe Jerry says it better then I did. All I said is that watching him last night made me wish it could have worked.
* They paid OBJ a bundle instead of coming to that realization first and trading him before the new contract.
* Then they gave up and traded him for assets that really haven't worked out too well. What a shocker with the quality GM we had.
* And then decided to replace OBJ at WR with an overpaid aged free agent in Golden Tate who became another expensive pain in the ass.
* And then replaced Tate with another first round ding-dong WR in Kadarius Toney.
nice job all-around here...
The giants got more production out of the players acquired in the obj trade than Cleveland got out of obj. The browns wound up releasing him and got nothing for the headache.
On giving
Knowing Reese and Gettleman, we would let Donald walk in free agency (i.e. Linval Joseph, Dalvin Tomlinson).
You'd think he was having the season Cooper Kupp was, the way people slobber all over him for the smallest things.
They only threw the ball 17 times. If you can’t acknowledge the impact he had on the field last night you’re just being a biased bitter ex.
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see fit in dealing with that? They went down this well-thought out path:
* They paid OBJ a bundle instead of coming to that realization first and trading him before the new contract.
* Then they gave up and traded him for assets that really haven't worked out too well. What a shocker with the quality GM we had.
* And then decided to replace OBJ at WR with an overpaid aged free agent in Golden Tate who became another expensive pain in the ass.
* And then replaced Tate with another first round ding-dong WR in Kadarius Toney.
nice job all-around here...
The giants got more production out of the players acquired in the obj trade than Cleveland got out of obj. The browns wound up releasing him and got nothing for the headache.
Have they? Odell had 1000 yards his first year, Peppers has been a JAG and Lawrence has been average. I’d say the production has been about even
I still don’t buy that the Giants couldn’t have made it work with his attitude, being that they immediately replaced him with another cancer in Tate - so how much did the antics really bother them?
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see fit in dealing with that? They went down this well-thought out path:
* They paid OBJ a bundle instead of coming to that realization first and trading him before the new contract.
* Then they gave up and traded him for assets that really haven't worked out too well. What a shocker with the quality GM we had.
* And then decided to replace OBJ at WR with an overpaid aged free agent in Golden Tate who became another expensive pain in the ass.
* And then replaced Tate with another first round ding-dong WR in Kadarius Toney.
nice job all-around here...
The giants got more production out of the players acquired in the obj trade than Cleveland got out of obj. The browns wound up releasing him and got nothing for the headache.
Agreed, but Cleveland's takeaways from the OBJ deal doesn't really mitigate the above direct/indirect bad results noted above for the Giants.
Are you really pleased how the Giants "won" this one?
Just does not have the same burst as when he came into the league
A fractured ankle and an ACL will do that.
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see fit in dealing with that? They went down this well-thought out path:
* They paid OBJ a bundle instead of coming to that realization first and trading him before the new contract.
* Then they gave up and traded him for assets that really haven't worked out too well. What a shocker with the quality GM we had.
* And then decided to replace OBJ at WR with an overpaid aged free agent in Golden Tate who became another expensive pain in the ass.
* And then replaced Tate with another first round ding-dong WR in Kadarius Toney.
nice job all-around here...
The giants got more production out of the players acquired in the obj trade than Cleveland got out of obj. The browns wound up releasing him and got nothing for the headache.
Agreed, but Cleveland's takeaways from the OBJ deal doesn't really mitigate the above direct/indirect bad results noted above for the Giants.
Are you really pleased how the Giants "won" this one?
The net result was really that neither team was improved by the trade even though you could argue the Giants got better value. Giving OBJ the big deal was the big take away(mistake) and Shurmur is to blame for that by telling DG that all was well between he and OBJ and they will be fine going forward.
Time to stop dwelling on OBJ.
is getting healthy- though may have lost the HOF burst he had.
irrespective, he impacts the game, and was a major factor in winning a playoff game last night.
2) He is/was a headcase/asshole/whatever
3) The Giants organization has problems in a variety of ways
To elaborate on #3, after Gettleman cam in, the organization started leaking that a bunch of guys were locker room problems - Snacks, Collins, JPP, Pugh, etc. Some people ate it up. Odell can be a locker room problem, for sure. Janoris, I'd buy it even though he was a good player. But these other guys? The sure seem like hard-working competitive guys.
When you have that many guys - seemingly hard-working guys - who are "locker room problems", then the problem isn't the guys. It's the locker room. Coaching, front office, culture...whatever it is. A good locker room / culture can sometimes bring guys like Odell into line. A bad one, and it's going to be a problem.
None of this absolves Odell's role in this. It's not that hard to work hard, act normal, do a good job. He wouldn't do it. Ultimately it's just a bunch of factors coming together that turned a potential hall of fame legend into Dexter Lawrence. To me, it's just a sad situation all-around.
but have spent a lot of money on it.......
Why does this matter, we stink. And Golladay was good in Detroit and had a horrid season so what makes you think Beckham would even be good here?
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But he’d be the best WR here. It’s been 4 years and they haven’t improved the position even a little
Why does this matter, we stink. And Golladay was good in Detroit and had a horrid season so what makes you think Beckham would even be good here?
It definitely matters that we haven’t been able to improve the WR position. And speaking of mailing it in, are we running Golladay out of town for his week 18 lack of effort?
To elaborate on #3, after Gettleman cam in, the organization started leaking that a bunch of guys were locker room problems - Snacks, Collins, JPP, Pugh, etc. Some people ate it up. Odell can be a locker room problem, for sure. Janoris, I'd buy it even though he was a good player. But these other guys? The sure seem like hard-working competitive guys.
When you have that many guys - seemingly hard-working guys - who are "locker room problems", then the problem isn't the guys. It's the locker room. Coaching, front office, culture...whatever it is. A good locker room / culture can sometimes bring guys like Odell into line. A bad one, and it's going to be a problem.
This x 1000. People bought into the bullshit that Gettleman sold about getting rid of the cancers. They may not have been perfect, but they weren’t the cause of our problems.
It’s why the talk of culture is nonsense. There’s one culture: winning.
Congrats to Beckham for finally figuring that out and also shame on him for helping to piss away the last decent chance this franchise had to win anything.
So many of you are outraged that this franchise has sucked, while at the same time still wanting to defend and rationalize the destructive behavior of one of the last great players to be here.
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see fit in dealing with that? They went down this well-thought out path:
* They paid OBJ a bundle instead of coming to that realization first and trading him before the new contract.
* Then they gave up and traded him for assets that really haven't worked out too well. What a shocker with the quality GM we had.
* And then decided to replace OBJ at WR with an overpaid aged free agent in Golden Tate who became another expensive pain in the ass.
* And then replaced Tate with another first round ding-dong WR in Kadarius Toney.
nice job all-around here...
The giants got more production out of the players acquired in the obj trade than Cleveland got out of obj. The browns wound up releasing him and got nothing for the headache.
Agreed, but Cleveland's takeaways from the OBJ deal doesn't really mitigate the above direct/indirect bad results noted above for the Giants.
Are you really pleased how the Giants "won" this one?
The net result was really that neither team was improved by the trade even though you could argue the Giants got better value. Giving OBJ the big deal was the big take away(mistake) and Shurmur is to blame for that by telling DG that all was well between he and OBJ and they will be fine going forward.
As already mentioned, I don't take solace in what OBJ did in Cleveland and them ultimately cutting him. That has nothing to do with the Giants.
I am only commenting on the value the Giants lost before they dealt him in the huge bonus hit, the value they didn't create with the assets they were given for him and the value they continue to piss away in failing to replace him adequately at WR.
disaster all-around...
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But he’d be the best WR here. It’s been 4 years and they haven’t improved the position even a little
Why does this matter, we stink. And Golladay was good in Detroit and had a horrid season so what makes you think Beckham would even be good here?
It definitely matters that we haven’t been able to improve the WR position. And speaking of mailing it in, are we running Golladay out of town for his week 18 lack of effort?
It doesn't at all though. Beckham didn't want to play here anymore - I know that because he actions told me so. He did it again in Cleveland, I know that because I watched it happen. So what does it matter if he'd be our best WR? He can't handle being on a bad team and he's no longer good enough to warrant dealing with the off field stuff.
Tuckrule spot on as usual.
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But he’d be the best WR here. It’s been 4 years and they haven’t improved the position even a little
Why does this matter, we stink. And Golladay was good in Detroit and had a horrid season so what makes you think Beckham would even be good here?
It definitely matters that we haven’t been able to improve the WR position. And speaking of mailing it in, are we running Golladay out of town for his week 18 lack of effort?
It doesn't at all though. Beckham didn't want to play here anymore - I know that because he actions told me so. He did it again in Cleveland, I know that because I watched it happen. So what does it matter if he'd be our best WR? He can't handle being on a bad team and he's no longer good enough to warrant dealing with the off field stuff.
You’re not getting the point. It has nothing to do with whether Beckham is on the current team - but if you’re going to move on from a premier talent you better be able to replace the production. And the Giants haven’t come close in 4 years.
sorry but he didnt want to be here. He acted like a child after he left. He then defended his new org only to not want to be there either after a couple of years.
be gone.