What a terrific fail that we weren't able to make this work long term.
I get that Odell could be a head case but there are tons of headcases in the NFL and teams make concessions to make it work.
Sorry not sorry - but watching him tonight makes me sad for the Giants and happy for him. You go OBJ!
Odell was a great player his first few years. He isn't that anymore. He had a nice game last night which is an outlier since he left the Giants.
No ill will towards the guy, but we don't need the drama he brings for the very average to below average receiver he has become.
It definitely matters that we haven’t been able to improve the WR position. And speaking of mailing it in, are we running Golladay out of town for his week 18 lack of effort?
It doesn't at all though. Beckham didn't want to play here anymore - I know that because he actions told me so. He did it again in Cleveland, I know that because I watched it happen. So what does it matter if he'd be our best WR? He can't handle being on a bad team and he's no longer good enough to warrant dealing with the off field stuff.
You’re not getting the point. It has nothing to do with whether Beckham is on the current team - but if you’re going to move on from a premier talent you better be able to replace the production. And the Giants haven’t come close in 4 years.
That's correct. Nothing wrong with not wanting OBJ because you thought he was checked out or in decline or just a pain, but still need a solution at WR then. And they haven't been competent enough to solve for it...
But I do need to find a Giants player to replace the life size fathead of him in my basement..
I have Eli and OBJ.. got it when it seemed like he would dominate the NFL for a decade and ultimately join Eli in HOF... alas, need another Giant to step up and prove worthy of being on the wall with Eli...
If Mets win WS this year and Jake gets another Cy Young maybe I can just go that route...
Odell was a great player his first few years. He isn't that anymore. He had a nice game last night which is an outlier since he left the Giants.
No ill will towards the guy, but we don't need the drama he brings for the very average to below average receiver he has become.
His 2019 season is better than any season a Giant WR has had since he left, so not sure outlier is the right word. He hasn’t been the same player he was his first three years, but we don’t have to make stuff up.
In hindsight, Donald or Martin were the correct picks, the front office failed a basic football IQ test.
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But he’d be the best WR here. It’s been 4 years and they haven’t improved the position even a little
Why does this matter, we stink. And Golladay was good in Detroit and had a horrid season so what makes you think Beckham would even be good here?
It definitely matters that we haven’t been able to improve the WR position. And speaking of mailing it in, are we running Golladay out of town for his week 18 lack of effort?
It doesn't at all though. Beckham didn't want to play here anymore - I know that because he actions told me so. He did it again in Cleveland, I know that because I watched it happen. So what does it matter if he'd be our best WR? He can't handle being on a bad team and he's no longer good enough to warrant dealing with the off field stuff.
You’re not getting the point. It has nothing to do with whether Beckham is on the current team - but if you’re going to move on from a premier talent you better be able to replace the production. And the Giants haven’t come close in 4 years.
You aren't getting my point. His talent was no longer outweighing the off field stuff (and even on field if you think he quit in games). You don't need to have a backup plan to ship off a guy who doesn't want to be here anymore. Maybe that is your expectation but I don't find it very realistic especially when we had countless other issues as well.
We correctly traded him (too late is up for debate but i don't think so, we extended him and failed building out the rest of the team). Losing teams with high priced players should look to deal said players regardless of having an equally talented player in the pipeline.
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OBJ was the problem in hindsight.
In hindsight, Donald or Martin were the correct picks, the front office failed a basic football IQ test.
There was nothing wrong in drafting OBJ. He gave Eli a deadly weapon. I would say that at the time it was a good pick. That Donald and Martin have had stellar careers ex-post facto is hindsight.
Oh, and I wanted Martin.
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You aren't getting my point. His talent was no longer outweighing the off field stuff (and even on field if you think he quit in games). You don't need to have a backup plan to ship off a guy who doesn't want to be here anymore. Maybe that is your expectation but I don't find it very realistic especially when we had countless other issues as well.
We correctly traded him (too late is up for debate but i don't think so, we extended him and failed building out the rest of the team). Losing teams with high priced players should look to deal said players regardless of having an equally talented player in the pipeline.
Who said anything about a back up plan to ship the guy off? I’m talking about four years later and they still haven’t improved the position.
They shouldn’t not have traded him because they didn’t have backup options in 2019. But it’s 2022 and there should be some improvement.
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OBJ was the problem in hindsight.
In hindsight, Donald or Martin were the correct picks, the front office failed a basic football IQ test.
There was nothing wrong in drafting OBJ. He gave Eli a deadly weapon. I would say that at the time it was a good pick. That Donald and Martin have had stellar careers ex-post facto is hindsight.
Oh, and I wanted Martin.
Teams miss on players, it happens. The Giants missed on Odell. Physically skills are only part of the equation.
Yes it is all hindsight, but the real problem was not extending or trading Beckham. The problem was acquiring him.
Trading OBJ wasn’t wrong. Hiring Gettleman to make the decisions in 2018 was the major fuck up.
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as much as I liked Beckham, he mailed it in here and gave us no choice but to trade him. And we weren’t good enough to play hardball. Trading him was the only option.
Talk about revisionist history. He should have been traded but when exactly did he mail it in on the field? During the the year he had 77-1050-6 plus 2 passing TDS in 12 games? Or the 3 years he averaged 96-1374-12?
He should have been traded because the Giants weren’t in a situation to afford a contract that big at WR plus the distractions weren’t worth it for a bad team, but we don’t have to make stuff about his on the field performance
if that were me saying omsehting like that he would have been on my but like white on rice with some smug condescending remark for stuff that happened 17 years ago in some instances
Lawrence Taylor is also an asshole. And LT might be the greatest football player who ever lived.
The obsession with choir boys is silly. I'll take OBJ over Toney ten times out of ten (and Toney is possibly going to be the same sort of asshole, combined with a Carl Pavano-esque fear of playing).
It's so morbidly enjoyable watching a poster reveal themselves to be more like Sloth than Chunk.
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You aren't getting my point. His talent was no longer outweighing the off field stuff (and even on field if you think he quit in games). You don't need to have a backup plan to ship off a guy who doesn't want to be here anymore. Maybe that is your expectation but I don't find it very realistic especially when we had countless other issues as well.
We correctly traded him (too late is up for debate but i don't think so, we extended him and failed building out the rest of the team). Losing teams with high priced players should look to deal said players regardless of having an equally talented player in the pipeline.
Who said anything about a back up plan to ship the guy off? I’m talking about four years later and they still haven’t improved the position.
They shouldn’t not have traded him because they didn’t have backup options in 2019. But it’s 2022 and there should be some improvement.
That’s a separate issue, which is why I said what we’ve done since has nothing to do with OBJ. I’m not following your issues with that I said. OBJ ordeal sucked and we had to trade him. Since then we’ve also failed at putting a good offense on the field.
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as much as I liked Beckham, he mailed it in here and gave us no choice but to trade him. And we weren’t good enough to play hardball. Trading him was the only option.
Talk about revisionist history. He should have been traded but when exactly did he mail it in on the field? During the the year he had 77-1050-6 plus 2 passing TDS in 12 games? Or the 3 years he averaged 96-1374-12?
He should have been traded because the Giants weren’t in a situation to afford a contract that big at WR plus the distractions weren’t worth it for a bad team, but we don’t have to make stuff about his on the field performance
if that were me saying omsehting like that he would have been on my but like white on rice with some smug condescending remark for stuff that happened 17 years ago in some instances
Do you know any other words besides “smug” and “condescending”? You are a stain to this site. Still waiting for the first good point you make on any topic at all.
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And now have regrets? How about 10 weeks ago? Or last year?
I don't know if its regret as much as disappointment that we couldn't keep him and show him his due or replace him with another electric player. Is there anyone on the roster on either side of the ball that deserves the excitement he generated? Barkley did for a minute - but he's still not back.
Toney might if he can stay healthy. I really want someone who is exceptional in Giants blue and we just don't have anyone.
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I've seen the most pedestrian WR end a game with a stat line like that.
You'd think he was having the season Cooper Kupp was, the way people slobber all over him for the smallest things.
They only threw the ball 17 times. If you can’t acknowledge the impact he had on the field last night you’re just being a biased bitter ex.
Oh are we're taking jabs? and I have to choose between being the bitter ex and the Odell-worshipping acolyte, I'll take the bitter ex.
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he’s an asshole
Lawrence Taylor is also an asshole. And LT might be the greatest football player who ever lived.
LT was the ultimate team player.
Ever see LT run on the field and hoist a offensive player who did well? I did. Lots of times.
OBJ is a "me" type guy - regardless of what he says - who will eventually self destruct and either alienate his teammates or hurt the team actually on the field.
Give it time, it will happen again.
I really enjoyed Beckham the player. Wish it worked out and he was still a Giant - watching him was must see TV and he's the only reason (on offense) we got to the playoffs in 2016. But then he got injured and coupled with the off field stuff it just wasn't working anymore. Lots to blame in that scenario but ultimately Beckham need only to look in the mirror.
His time in Cleveland should have convinced you of who he has if you weren't already (I wasn't at first). When the going gets tough he's not going to look at himself first. He's now on team 3 and he's no longer the best player on the field so there's nothing he can do other than fall in line. Good for the Rams taking advantage of it, but I definitely don't long for him to be a Giant, he'd stink here in 2021/22.
I really enjoyed Beckham the player. Wish it worked out and he was still a Giant - watching him was must see TV and he's the only reason (on offense) we got to the playoffs in 2016. But then he got injured and coupled with the off field stuff it just wasn't working anymore. Lots to blame in that scenario but ultimately Beckham need only to look in the mirror.
His time in Cleveland should have convinced you of who he has if you weren't already (I wasn't at first). When the going gets tough he's not going to look at himself first. He's now on team 3 and he's no longer the best player on the field so there's nothing he can do other than fall in line. Good for the Rams taking advantage of it, but I definitely don't long for him to be a Giant, he'd stink here in 2021/22.
Notably he got himself released and signed with a contending team.
Now he's happy. Now he's focused.
Of course he is! LOL
Happiness will evaporate though....give it time.
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as much as I liked Beckham, he mailed it in here and gave us no choice but to trade him. And we weren’t good enough to play hardball. Trading him was the only option.
Talk about revisionist history. He should have been traded but when exactly did he mail it in on the field? During the the year he had 77-1050-6 plus 2 passing TDS in 12 games? Or the 3 years he averaged 96-1374-12?
He should have been traded because the Giants weren’t in a situation to afford a contract that big at WR plus the distractions weren’t worth it for a bad team, but we don’t have to make stuff about his on the field performance
if that were me saying omsehting like that he would have been on my but like white on rice with some smug condescending remark for stuff that happened 17 years ago in some instances
Do you know any other words besides “smug” and “condescending”? You are a stain to this site. Still waiting for the first good point you make on any topic at all.
If the shoe fits and just on cue you didn't disappoint.
I recently brought up good point on the vic cruz extension which I suspect had Mara fingerprints all over it considering he said he was making room for this contract of freakin TV by jettisoning key players. And Ahmad Bradshaaw to name one. Cruz was never the same after that signing and neither were the Giants. This also concided with Mara's new job promotion.
Further I suggested giving some vet a shot rather than watch a 4th string QB who we all know was not NFL material.
Or how the Victor Cruz signing was really good? you are just like every other poster on here -- every player like OBJ is not that good. But every player who there is one modicum of doubt about is going to be the next LT or myth QB ( I don;t even want to give a name because there is no player who is good on here )
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he’s an asshole
Lawrence Taylor is also an asshole. And LT might be the greatest football player who ever lived.
LT was the ultimate team player.
Ever see LT run on the field and hoist a offensive player who did well? I did. Lots of times.
OBJ is a "me" type guy - regardless of what he says - who will eventually self destruct and either alienate his teammates or hurt the team actually on the field.
Give it time, it will happen again.
Lawrence Taylor is a legend. A hero. An all-time great.
And he also played some games high on drugs, some games hung over, and he caused the 1988 team to miss the playoffs entirely because of his drug test suspension.
Spare me the "ultimate team player" bullshit.
LT was just the best football player to ever wear a Giants uniform. And I loved every second of his career.
But I also recognize that he was an asshole, because I don't suffer from cognitive dissonance.
He had a 1000 yards in 2019, abd has 6 touchdowns in 8 games with the rams. Dude can still play
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he’s an asshole
Lawrence Taylor is also an asshole. And LT might be the greatest football player who ever lived.
The obsession with choir boys is silly. I'll take OBJ over Toney ten times out of ten (and Toney is possibly going to be the same sort of asshole, combined with a Carl Pavano-esque fear of playing).
LT was an asshole. 100% agree. However LT was never an asshole to the team or organization to which Beckham was. LT ever shit on Simms or Parcells? LT ever run and cry in an interview that he didn’t get his way?
Everyone seems to forget not only was Beckham an asshole but he was already in severe decline when we traded him. And the fact OBJ bitched his way off another team shows how he was as a teammate.
Or how the Victor Cruz signing was really good? you are just like every other poster on here -- every player like OBJ is not that good. But every player who there is one modicum of doubt about is going to be the next LT or myth QB ( I don;t even want to give a name because there is no player who is good on here )
Please stop. I don’t agree with UConn on everything but he seems like a good dude who you can talk too.
You shit on posters during the 49ers game cause we didn’t like Jimmy G. You were an absolute fool on the game thread Sunday and pretty much all year. You’re a whiner, complainer and know it all wrapped into one. Never speak down on anyone.
What happened in Cleveland? Only work he did was posting on his dads instagram.
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he’s an asshole
Lawrence Taylor is also an asshole. And LT might be the greatest football player who ever lived.
The obsession with choir boys is silly. I'll take OBJ over Toney ten times out of ten (and Toney is possibly going to be the same sort of asshole, combined with a Carl Pavano-esque fear of playing).
LT was an asshole. 100% agree. However LT was never an asshole to the team or organization to which Beckham was. LT ever shit on Simms or Parcells? LT ever run and cry in an interview that he didn’t get his way?
Everyone seems to forget not only was Beckham an asshole but he was already in severe decline when we traded him. And the fact OBJ bitched his way off another team shows how he was as a teammate.
LT's drug suspension in 1988 cost the team a shot at the playoffs when they opened the season 2-3.
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You aren't getting my point. His talent was no longer outweighing the off field stuff (and even on field if you think he quit in games). You don't need to have a backup plan to ship off a guy who doesn't want to be here anymore. Maybe that is your expectation but I don't find it very realistic especially when we had countless other issues as well.
We correctly traded him (too late is up for debate but i don't think so, we extended him and failed building out the rest of the team). Losing teams with high priced players should look to deal said players regardless of having an equally talented player in the pipeline.
Who said anything about a back up plan to ship the guy off? I’m talking about four years later and they still haven’t improved the position.
They shouldn’t not have traded him because they didn’t have backup options in 2019. But it’s 2022 and there should be some improvement.
That’s a separate issue, which is why I said what we’ve done since has nothing to do with OBJ. I’m not following your issues with that I said. OBJ ordeal sucked and we had to trade him. Since then we’ve also failed at putting a good offense on the field.
You took issue with a statement first about how we still haven’t improved the WR position that had nothing to do with saying Odell should still be on the team
Or how the Victor Cruz signing was really good? you are just like every other poster on here -- every player like OBJ is not that good. But every player who there is one modicum of doubt about is going to be the next LT or myth QB ( I don;t even want to give a name because there is no player who is good on here )
Lets get the facts here.
Your point on Victor Cruz stunk. Jacobs had 60 carries in his career after 2011 (you said we got rid of him too quick) and Bradshaw had 1 more productive season with the Giants but was injured that year a bit and then constantly injured afterwards. Not re-signing Jacobs and Bradshaw was the right move, there's absolutely no other way to look at it. Neither of them should have been signed over Cruz. You want to hate on paying WR's, go nuts, but it had nothing to do with Jacobs/Bradshaw, like you tried to make it.
And I stated why the 49er/Cowboys game stunk already. Entertaining? Sure, but not a good game. In fact, it was shit. Really bad coaching, really bad QB play and what, 20+ flags? Sloppy, unprepared, crap product that happened to be fun to watch because of the drama that existed.
Separately, we still can't get our offense together. The 2 don't really relate anymore because Beckham wouldn't help us now, he'd be an awful Giant with his current skillset and attitude.
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do you bring uconn? That the Dallas vs $9ers game was not really a good game? Wow that is great stuff right there.
Or how the Victor Cruz signing was really good? you are just like every other poster on here -- every player like OBJ is not that good. But every player who there is one modicum of doubt about is going to be the next LT or myth QB ( I don;t even want to give a name because there is no player who is good on here )
Please stop. I don’t agree with UConn on everything but he seems like a good dude who you can talk too.
You shit on posters during the 49ers game cause we didn’t like Jimmy G. You were an absolute fool on the game thread Sunday and pretty much all year. You’re a whiner, complainer and know it all wrapped into one. Never speak down on anyone.
you and this hard on for me about Jimmy G in the 9ers game thread.
What did I say that was wrong?
Jimmy G made a nice sideline pass in the 1st half of the game? OK what is wrong with that?
He is a possible FA ? Yes?
No one here wants him despite the fact this place has a total unrealistic view of this team and the Giants going to have a tough time attracting Free Agents since Gettleman made such a mess here? No?
So what is wrong with what i said?
This talk about the Giants being a hard sell is complete nonsense. You are letting your hatred for all thing Gettelman/Jones cloud reality. Sounds like there's major interest from the top GM candidates to come here, and I'm guessing HC's as well (already rumored interest from several). We also haven't had a problem getting players here in FA - going after the correct ones is a whole other argument.
But this is what you do. Instead of talking to the topic at hand you add in all this other Giants stuff that his fringe relation at best. Then you call everyone all sorts of names for calling you out on it. I'm curious what you'll call me in response to this.
This talk about the Giants being a hard sell is complete nonsense. You are letting your hatred for all thing Gettelman/Jones cloud reality. Sounds like there's major interest from the top GM candidates to come here, and I'm guessing HC's as well (already rumored interest from several). We also haven't had a problem getting players here in FA - going after the correct ones is a whole other argument.
But this is what you do. Instead of talking to the topic at hand you add in all this other Giants stuff that his fringe relation at best. Then you call everyone all sorts of names for calling you out on it. I'm curious what you'll call me in response to this.
Still waiting for someone to tell me where I was wrong.
And let's not mix things -- coming here as a coach or a GM with what appears to be Mara finally admitting this team needs a reset is an attractive proposition . Coming here as a player that has to deal with the ramifications of that exercise is a whole other matter.
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he’s an asshole
Lawrence Taylor is also an asshole. And LT might be the greatest football player who ever lived.
LT was the ultimate team player.
Ever see LT run on the field and hoist a offensive player who did well? I did. Lots of times.
OBJ is a "me" type guy - regardless of what he says - who will eventually self destruct and either alienate his teammates or hurt the team actually on the field.
Give it time, it will happen again.
Lawrence Taylor is a legend. A hero. An all-time great.
And he also played some games high on drugs, some games hung over, and he caused the 1988 team to miss the playoffs entirely because of his drug test suspension.
Spare me the "ultimate team player" bullshit.
LT was just the best football player to ever wear a Giants uniform. And I loved every second of his career.
But I also recognize that he was an asshole, because I don't suffer from cognitive dissonance.
Why don't you blame him for 1985 too, since he underperformed.
You miss the point entirely about the comparison of LT who would run thru a wall on game day and OBJ...who gets into a fight with a f'ing kicking net LOL
Phil Simms, his words "LT came thru, just like he always did".
Sounds like a damn good teammate to me.
No one will say that about OBJ, guaranteed.