I'm mostly kidding, but can we unsticky the other thread? The GM process is not completed and that thread title was misleading from jump. Link - ( New Window )
and they have 1100 followers, but they're saying Schoen, Hortiz, Ossenfort, Poles and Peters will fly in for in person meetings/interviews. Link - ( New Window )
from Elkhart, In. Midwestern guy who probably grew up a Bears fan. I know there's a lot more to it but if you're considering going to your hometown team vs. any other it obviously plays a part.
Does it seem odd that Abrams hasn't had any interest around the league for a possible GM position.
Is he safe? Will he be fired?
What is the status of Abrams if/when we hire a GM sch as Schoen or Hortiz?
not odd at all.
abrams is assistant GM and capologist for one of the losingest and most poorly constructed teams in the league, and one whose cap situation is a bad joke.
abrams should be run out as soon as a new GM is in place.
Doubtful, they have to do atleast two more Rooney rule interviews.
Nope. Just one is required to be in person if conducting initial interviews virtually (they technically had four meeting the initial virtual rule requirement).
an offer from NYG due to the messiness in the front office as described in the Duggan article? Or Hortiz? Or any other desirable candidate with multiple offers?
Granted I've been beaten down these past four years but am half expecting this exact thing to happen.
an offer from NYG due to the messiness in the front office as described in the Duggan article? Or Hortiz? Or any other desirable candidate with multiple offers?
Granted I've been beaten down these past four years but am half expecting this exact thing to happen.
Do you think he flies to New Jersey this morning for a final interview just to turn the job down?
an offer from NYG due to the messiness in the front office as described in the Duggan article? Or Hortiz? Or any other desirable candidate with multiple offers?
Granted I've been beaten down these past four years but am half expecting this exact thing to happen.
I would think that if they were that concerned with the dynamic, they would not be back for a second interview.
Hortiz. Gotta get used to that…and it’s not ideal that the autocorrect is “Horrid”
The correct spelling is "whore tits."
Is it too early to start discussing the nicknames of some of these candidates? You know we need to have some in the chamber for when they inevitably screw up and we begin to eviscerate them in every post.
While I don’t hate Daboll as his HC pairing, I don’t think he’d be top of my list. He’d be a first time HC and while he’s done a great job with Allen, his tenures in Cleveland, Miami and KC left something to be desired. I believe he had a bottom 5 offense in 3 of 4 years combined.
Would hope Schoen considers guys like Flores and Harbaugh before automatically picking Daboll (assuming the rumors are true)
if watson has the sex charges in the rearview mirror i would absolutely be on board. remember the giants are a team that stood idly by when their punter beat his wife.
what watson is accused of is much less serious.
i like poles from what i know of him and i liked what flores did in miami even though he was purportedly a hard ass
RE: RE: would anyone be shocked if Schoen declines
an offer from NYG due to the messiness in the front office as described in the Duggan article? Or Hortiz? Or any other desirable candidate with multiple offers?
Granted I've been beaten down these past four years but am half expecting this exact thing to happen.
Do you think he flies to New Jersey this morning for a final interview just to turn the job down?
there are tons of industries where interviewing often is a norm.
i would think interviewing for a GM position would be invaluable experience-- both over zoom and in-person.
who knows what was exactly discussed in round one. its possible the family dynamic issue wasnt broached over zoom, or if it was that he isn't concerned about it.
but round one interviews are more brief and general so would think the chris/timm thing would be more appropriate to discuss in-person.
because unlike someone like Hortiz we will not have a read on if his hire means the Giants intend to really change or if it is a bid to maintain their systems vs. overhaul them.
The Schoen connection being a DG --> Beane disciple looks a little bit too much like their old process of hiring to not sound alarm bells. Throw in all the Parcells stuff on that note too.
Schoen is a smart guy clearly but so was DG, smart enough to get a GM job of his own too. Clearly just being smart isn't enough to heal whatever festering wounds we have inside that building.
And you have to consider the more someone might feel like a fit for the Mara's the less they feel like they will have to change what they are doing, the more afraid we should be of that candidate...
because unlike someone like Hortiz we will not have a read on if his hire means the Giants intend to really change or if it is a bid to maintain their systems vs. overhaul them.
The Schoen connection being a DG --> Beane disciple looks a little bit too much like their old process of hiring to not sound alarm bells. Throw in all the Parcells stuff on that note too.
Schoen is a smart guy clearly but so was DG, smart enough to get a GM job of his own too. Clearly just being smart isn't enough to heal whatever festering wounds we have inside that building.
And you have to consider the more someone might feel like a fit for the Mara's the less they feel like they will have to change what they are doing, the more afraid we should be of that candidate...
I know you bash everything front office related and for the most part rightfully so but this take is just overboard.
Schoen and Gettleman never crossed paths in Carolina.
Gettleman inherited Beane from the Hurney regime.
It's pretty obvious from Beane's work in Buffalo- he has nothing in common with Gettleman.
RE: RE: RE: would anyone be shocked if Schoen declines
an offer from NYG due to the messiness in the front office as described in the Duggan article? Or Hortiz? Or any other desirable candidate with multiple offers?
Granted I've been beaten down these past four years but am half expecting this exact thing to happen.
Do you think he flies to New Jersey this morning for a final interview just to turn the job down?
there are tons of industries where interviewing often is a norm.
i would think interviewing for a GM position would be invaluable experience-- both over zoom and in-person.
who knows what was exactly discussed in round one. its possible the family dynamic issue wasnt broached over zoom, or if it was that he isn't concerned about it.
but round one interviews are more brief and general so would think the chris/timm thing would be more appropriate to discuss in-person.
Yea, I get that. People want to interview for the networking/experience. Just kind of putting everything together like the fact we have been in conversations with him for months, he flies in for a 2nd interview, etc., I would be surprised if he is not interested.
You don’t interview for experience in a tight industry like the NFL
If you make owners spend that kind of time interviewing and then turn the job down for something you knew going into the first interview, all you did was waste their time and tell them you don’t take them seriously.
This isn’t your run of the mill sales job or IT dept where you can waste someone’s time because you will never see them again. Do something disrespectful and every future employer will know about it.
If he had strong reservations about the management structure, those likely should have at least been tabled in the initial discussion so the owners could address it.
an offer from NYG due to the messiness in the front office as described in the Duggan article? Or Hortiz? Or any other desirable candidate with multiple offers?
Granted I've been beaten down these past four years but am half expecting this exact thing to happen.
If he had multiple offers and made an educated decision based on facts and his personal preference, then fine.
If he made it due to the Duggan article and/or without doing his own due diligence on the situation, then that is immature and unprofessional on his part.
because unlike someone like Hortiz we will not have a read on if his hire means the Giants intend to really change or if it is a bid to maintain their systems vs. overhaul them.
The Schoen connection being a DG --> Beane disciple looks a little bit too much like their old process of hiring to not sound alarm bells. Throw in all the Parcells stuff on that note too.
Schoen is a smart guy clearly but so was DG, smart enough to get a GM job of his own too. Clearly just being smart isn't enough to heal whatever festering wounds we have inside that building.
And you have to consider the more someone might feel like a fit for the Mara's the less they feel like they will have to change what they are doing, the more afraid we should be of that candidate...
I know you bash everything front office related and for the most part rightfully so but this take is just overboard.
Schoen and Gettleman never crossed paths in Carolina.
Gettleman inherited Beane from the Hurney regime.
It's pretty obvious from Beane's work in Buffalo- he has nothing in common with Gettleman.
Woah now. I've been pretty complimentary of them lately. Not sure if you followed the DG hiring thread but I don't think one person nailed how bad it was going to be and the specific problems remotely as well as I did. So if you think I am negative just for the sake of it you are incorrect.
I'd also add if you look at the roles and responsibilities
an offer from NYG due to the messiness in the front office as described in the Duggan article? Or Hortiz? Or any other desirable candidate with multiple offers?
Granted I've been beaten down these past four years but am half expecting this exact thing to happen.
If he had multiple offers and made an educated decision based on facts and his personal preference, then fine.
If he made it due to the Duggan article and/or without doing his own due diligence on the situation, then that is immature and unprofessional on his part.
he knows the situation....he wouldnt take a second interview (much like it seems horitz hasnt). schoen coming in for a second means he wants to be here and is definitely considering us as a serious spot to land
Hortiz. Gotta get used to that…and it’s not ideal that the autocorrect is “Horrid”
& Deshaun Watson...
Is he safe? Will he be fired?
What is the status of Abrams if/when we hire a GM sch as Schoen or Hortiz?
The Raiders like him too.
I'm mostly kidding, but can we unsticky the other thread? The GM process is not completed and that thread title was misleading from jump.
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Folks seem to struggle with vowels, consonants, and well pretty much anything alphabetical or algebraic for that matter.
Don't think it will be Flores either.
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Just some food for thought
Don't think it will be Flores either.
If they hire Peters, it could be Flores, otherwise, I don't see it either.
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As expected. Hoping Horwitz does as well.
Hortiz. Gotta get used to that…and it’s not ideal that the autocorrect is “Horrid”
The correct spelling is "whore tits."
He shoots, he scores! Haha. All net buddy
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As expected. Hoping Horwitz does as well.
Hortiz. Gotta get used to that…and it’s not ideal that the autocorrect is “Horrid”
At least it's not Hortitz.
Is he safe? Will he be fired?
What is the status of Abrams if/when we hire a GM sch as Schoen or Hortiz?
not odd at all.
abrams is assistant GM and capologist for one of the losingest and most poorly constructed teams in the league, and one whose cap situation is a bad joke.
abrams should be run out as soon as a new GM is in place.
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As expected. Hoping Horwitz does as well.
Hortiz. Gotta get used to that…and it’s not ideal that the autocorrect is “Horrid”
The correct spelling is "whore tits."
Hahahahaha. Exactly, let’s get his name straight already! Lol
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As expected. Hoping Horwitz does as well.
Hortiz. Gotta get used to that…and it’s not ideal that the autocorrect is “Horrid”
The correct spelling is "whore tits."
+1 if no one else tells you your post is appreciated.
Excellent sir
Doubtful, they have to do atleast two more Rooney rule interviews.
When it Shoens, it Poles.
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Doubtful, they have to do atleast two more Rooney rule interviews.
Nope. Just one is required to be in person if conducting initial interviews virtually (they technically had four meeting the initial virtual rule requirement).
Moving fast. Probably worried about another team stealing him away.
Report: If hired by the #Giants for the GM position, Joe Schoen’s number one target will be Brian Daboll to become the HC per source.
Only 5000 followers, so can't vouch for this source.
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Report: If hired by the #Giants for the GM position, Joe Schoen’s number one target will be Brian Daboll to become the HC per source.
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I mean that is just someone that seems to be connecting the obvious dots.
And Schwartz saying it will likely be 1 in-person interview per day. I would guess 3 in this round today through Thursday and a decision Friday.
Bitteschoen.
Bravo and yes, please!
Granted I've been beaten down these past four years but am half expecting this exact thing to happen.
Granted I've been beaten down these past four years but am half expecting this exact thing to happen.
Do you think he flies to New Jersey this morning for a final interview just to turn the job down?
Granted I've been beaten down these past four years but am half expecting this exact thing to happen.
I would think that if they were that concerned with the dynamic, they would not be back for a second interview.
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As expected. Hoping Horwitz does as well.
Hortiz. Gotta get used to that…and it’s not ideal that the autocorrect is “Horrid”
The correct spelling is "whore tits."
Is it too early to start discussing the nicknames of some of these candidates? You know we need to have some in the chamber for when they inevitably screw up and we begin to eviscerate them in every post.
While I don’t hate Daboll as his HC pairing, I don’t think he’d be top of my list. He’d be a first time HC and while he’s done a great job with Allen, his tenures in Cleveland, Miami and KC left something to be desired. I believe he had a bottom 5 offense in 3 of 4 years combined.
Would hope Schoen considers guys like Flores and Harbaugh before automatically picking Daboll (assuming the rumors are true)
& Deshaun Watson...
Thankfully, that’s never going to happen.
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& Flores...
& Deshaun Watson...
Thankfully, that’s never going to happen.
if watson has the sex charges in the rearview mirror i would absolutely be on board. remember the giants are a team that stood idly by when their punter beat his wife.
what watson is accused of is much less serious.
i like poles from what i know of him and i liked what flores did in miami even though he was purportedly a hard ass
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an offer from NYG due to the messiness in the front office as described in the Duggan article? Or Hortiz? Or any other desirable candidate with multiple offers?
Granted I've been beaten down these past four years but am half expecting this exact thing to happen.
Do you think he flies to New Jersey this morning for a final interview just to turn the job down?
there are tons of industries where interviewing often is a norm.
i would think interviewing for a GM position would be invaluable experience-- both over zoom and in-person.
who knows what was exactly discussed in round one. its possible the family dynamic issue wasnt broached over zoom, or if it was that he isn't concerned about it.
but round one interviews are more brief and general so would think the chris/timm thing would be more appropriate to discuss in-person.
The Schoen connection being a DG --> Beane disciple looks a little bit too much like their old process of hiring to not sound alarm bells. Throw in all the Parcells stuff on that note too.
Schoen is a smart guy clearly but so was DG, smart enough to get a GM job of his own too. Clearly just being smart isn't enough to heal whatever festering wounds we have inside that building.
And you have to consider the more someone might feel like a fit for the Mara's the less they feel like they will have to change what they are doing, the more afraid we should be of that candidate...
The Schoen connection being a DG --> Beane disciple looks a little bit too much like their old process of hiring to not sound alarm bells. Throw in all the Parcells stuff on that note too.
Schoen is a smart guy clearly but so was DG, smart enough to get a GM job of his own too. Clearly just being smart isn't enough to heal whatever festering wounds we have inside that building.
And you have to consider the more someone might feel like a fit for the Mara's the less they feel like they will have to change what they are doing, the more afraid we should be of that candidate...
I know you bash everything front office related and for the most part rightfully so but this take is just overboard.
Schoen and Gettleman never crossed paths in Carolina.
Gettleman inherited Beane from the Hurney regime.
It's pretty obvious from Beane's work in Buffalo- he has nothing in common with Gettleman.
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an offer from NYG due to the messiness in the front office as described in the Duggan article? Or Hortiz? Or any other desirable candidate with multiple offers?
Granted I've been beaten down these past four years but am half expecting this exact thing to happen.
Do you think he flies to New Jersey this morning for a final interview just to turn the job down?
there are tons of industries where interviewing often is a norm.
i would think interviewing for a GM position would be invaluable experience-- both over zoom and in-person.
who knows what was exactly discussed in round one. its possible the family dynamic issue wasnt broached over zoom, or if it was that he isn't concerned about it.
but round one interviews are more brief and general so would think the chris/timm thing would be more appropriate to discuss in-person.
Yea, I get that. People want to interview for the networking/experience. Just kind of putting everything together like the fact we have been in conversations with him for months, he flies in for a 2nd interview, etc., I would be surprised if he is not interested.
This isn’t your run of the mill sales job or IT dept where you can waste someone’s time because you will never see them again. Do something disrespectful and every future employer will know about it.
If he had strong reservations about the management structure, those likely should have at least been tabled in the initial discussion so the owners could address it.
Granted I've been beaten down these past four years but am half expecting this exact thing to happen.
If he had multiple offers and made an educated decision based on facts and his personal preference, then fine.
If he made it due to the Duggan article and/or without doing his own due diligence on the situation, then that is immature and unprofessional on his part.
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because unlike someone like Hortiz we will not have a read on if his hire means the Giants intend to really change or if it is a bid to maintain their systems vs. overhaul them.
The Schoen connection being a DG --> Beane disciple looks a little bit too much like their old process of hiring to not sound alarm bells. Throw in all the Parcells stuff on that note too.
Schoen is a smart guy clearly but so was DG, smart enough to get a GM job of his own too. Clearly just being smart isn't enough to heal whatever festering wounds we have inside that building.
And you have to consider the more someone might feel like a fit for the Mara's the less they feel like they will have to change what they are doing, the more afraid we should be of that candidate...
I know you bash everything front office related and for the most part rightfully so but this take is just overboard.
Schoen and Gettleman never crossed paths in Carolina.
Gettleman inherited Beane from the Hurney regime.
It's pretty obvious from Beane's work in Buffalo- he has nothing in common with Gettleman.
Woah now. I've been pretty complimentary of them lately. Not sure if you followed the DG hiring thread but I don't think one person nailed how bad it was going to be and the specific problems remotely as well as I did. So if you think I am negative just for the sake of it you are incorrect.
Could mean nothing. There are FO members who are not involved in football decisions (CFO, Marketing, etc)
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an offer from NYG due to the messiness in the front office as described in the Duggan article? Or Hortiz? Or any other desirable candidate with multiple offers?
Granted I've been beaten down these past four years but am half expecting this exact thing to happen.
If he had multiple offers and made an educated decision based on facts and his personal preference, then fine.
If he made it due to the Duggan article and/or without doing his own due diligence on the situation, then that is immature and unprofessional on his part.
he knows the situation....he wouldnt take a second interview (much like it seems horitz hasnt). schoen coming in for a second means he wants to be here and is definitely considering us as a serious spot to land