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2nd interview for Poles

Sean : 1/18/2022 12:40 pm
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Bob from Massachusetts : 1/18/2022 1:14 pm : link
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but I hope this is a legit shot and not a move to satisfy the Rooney Rule.



This is a second interview. Would all Rooney rule obligations not have been met by interviewing the numerous minority candidates they did in the first round?



They may be interviewing him for Asst GM.



That is very unlikely. The Asst. GM should be chosen by the GM, and there isn't one right now.



Yes, technically true, but I have to believe that if he interviews well for GM, he'll be recommended to the GM as a possible asst gm. My point was, that even if he is a long-shot to get GM, the Giants may want him in to kick the tires.


I agree that if things break right we could hire two of the 9, with one being an ass't GM, although obviously the GM would have to decide. Some of the candidates have outstanding personnel experience but not necessarily the management experience. I noticed almost none of the candidates have VP titles, so a role as VP/ass't GM with focus on personnel could be a really good role for some of these people.
 
ryanmkeane : 1/18/2022 1:14 pm : link
Good, I give him a legit shot to beat Schoen out. Have a feeling he’s focusing heavy on scouting and player selection
RE: What do we think  
mphbullet36 : 1/18/2022 1:14 pm : link
In comment 15559351 ajr2456 said:
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They interview, 4 finalists max?


I think it will be 3.

I just don't buy peters moving his family to the East Coast with the great job in San Fran or taking another job on the WC.

My guess

Schoen
Poles
Hortiz

Schoen today
Poles tomorrow
Hortiz thursday

Decision maybe on friday?
Still Getting The Required Minority Hire Face To Face Interview  
Trainmaster : 1/18/2022 1:14 pm : link
requirement satisfied allows the Giants to make an offer to any of the other candidates. Good to have this one scheduled sooner rather than later.

Ok ... In 2003 Poles was a redshirt OG at BC when Brian Flores was a  
Spider56 : 1/18/2022 1:15 pm : link
starting LB. I like the connection and would love to see them reunited.

Do it.
I hate to say it  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/18/2022 1:15 pm : link
but this checks the box before the hiring of Schoen.
RE: Ok ... In 2003 Poles was a redshirt OG at BC when Brian Flores was a  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/18/2022 1:16 pm : link
In comment 15559369 Spider56 said:
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starting LB. I like the connection and would love to see them reunited.

Do it.

Ugh. Flores is reason enough to eliminate Poles from consideration.
You have no idea if Poles helped the KC Oline rebuild  
Snablats : 1/18/2022 1:16 pm : link
What worries me about Poles or the lesser weight candidates is that will the Maras pick him because they know they can keep their personnel influence. Kinda how Mets fans were worried that if they had chosen the younger first time managers that it would just be the front office running things again.

Schoen and Hortiz have bigger resumes and can call their shot - ie tell the Maras how they want it to be and decline the job for another gig where they get what they want. I have doubts Poles can/will do that

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Gatorade Dunk : 1/18/2022 1:18 pm : link
In comment 15559364 ryanmkeane said:
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Good, I give him a legit shot to beat Schoen out. Have a feeling he’s focusing heavy on scouting and player selection

I have a feeling that it's Schoen unless something improper emerges between now and tomorrow.

Poles is either genuinely the second choice or he's satisfying the obligation before they hire Schoen. There's no other reason to not have Hortiz in sooner since the Ravens are out of the playoffs anyway.
RE: RE: I hate to be so cynical...  
bw in dc : 1/18/2022 1:19 pm : link
In comment 15559329 GiantGolfer said:
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but I hope this is a legit shot and not a move to satisfy the Rooney Rule.



Why even make this statement? You already know they have to satisfy the Rooney Rule. Seems like you are trying to stir the pot, as usual.


Because I hope Poles as a legitimate shot. There is a lot to like.

Do you think Riddick had a legitimate shot in 2017 when Accorsi conducted his fake extensive search?


RE: I hate to be so cynical...  
Sean : 1/18/2022 1:19 pm : link
In comment 15559297 bw in dc said:
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but I hope this is a legit shot and not a move to satisfy the Rooney Rule.

I know you view Schoen as “Giants Way”, but Poles has BC connections and is close friends with Chris Snee. Just about every candidate may have some sort of NYG link if you look hard enough.
RE: You have no idea if Poles helped the KC Oline rebuild  
mphbullet36 : 1/18/2022 1:19 pm : link
In comment 15559374 Snablats said:
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What worries me about Poles or the lesser weight candidates is that will the Maras pick him because they know they can keep their personnel influence. Kinda how Mets fans were worried that if they had chosen the younger first time managers that it would just be the front office running things again.

Schoen and Hortiz have bigger resumes and can call their shot - ie tell the Maras how they want it to be and decline the job for another gig where they get what they want. I have doubts Poles can/will do that


while there maybe some truth to that...poles seems like a rising star in the industry. I doubt he is going to blow his one chance on a job with restrictions on it. I doubt the Mara's are thinking of it like this

Schoen & Hortiz full control

Poles less control.

Probably all 3 will pitch there idea of building this franchise back up.
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Steve in Greenwich : 1/18/2022 1:30 pm : link
age of Poles is my primary concern. This front office needs to be re-shaped from the bottom up and does Poles have enough experience in all faucets to do that? Sounds to me like he has a HEAVY involvement in the Chiefs draft which is great, but can he manage all the other aspects of the organization that he has relatively no experience in.

That type of thing concerns me most, especially when we have a guy in the building who by all accords could have been the general manager of many teams if he wanted to; but just that he would rather attend horse races.
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mphbullet36 : 1/18/2022 1:34 pm : link
In comment 15559409 Steve in Greenwich said:
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age of Poles is my primary concern. This front office needs to be re-shaped from the bottom up and does Poles have enough experience in all faucets to do that? Sounds to me like he has a HEAVY involvement in the Chiefs draft which is great, but can he manage all the other aspects of the organization that he has relatively no experience in.

That type of thing concerns me most, especially when we have a guy in the building who by all accords could have been the general manager of many teams if he wanted to; but just that he would rather attend horse races.


ultimately why I think Schoen is the front runner. He seems like he played a major role in transforming everything in the Bills org. Touched a lot of different departments which is key.

Obviously scouting and drafting is the most important but everything the Giants do needs and overhaul.
I could post this on any thread...  
Drewcon40 : 1/18/2022 1:39 pm : link
...but thanks to all for the great posts and information on this site.

I've changed my preference so many times. Right now Peters is the guy I hope gets it. With Schoen and Hortiz as 2 and 3.

I am hesitant on Poles as I agree with many here but will be excited if he's the hire.

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Essex : 1/18/2022 1:41 pm : link
In comment 15559409 Steve in Greenwich said:
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age of Poles is my primary concern. This front office needs to be re-shaped from the bottom up and does Poles have enough experience in all faucets to do that? Sounds to me like he has a HEAVY involvement in the Chiefs draft which is great, but can he manage all the other aspects of the organization that he has relatively no experience in.

That type of thing concerns me most, especially when we have a guy in the building who by all accords could have been the general manager of many teams if he wanted to; but just that he would rather attend horse races.

I'm with you on this. It seems Schoen has had more experience in more areas of the operation (analytics, drafting, communications, etc). Poles hasn't had all of that experience yet. Plus, Andy Reid is the guy who calls the shots there and they have Mahomes who makes a lot of people look good. So, I am just not sold I want a KC person yet. I wouldn't be upset if he was hired, but I don't think he brings what Schoen brings at this point based on resume.
RE: Ok ... In 2003 Poles was a redshirt OG at BC when Brian Flores was a  
Strahan91 : 1/18/2022 1:44 pm : link
In comment 15559369 Spider56 said:
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starting LB. I like the connection and would love to see them reunited.

Do it.

I think a Poles/Pederson pairing would be more likely
I wonder if Peters and/or Hortiz  
TroyArchersGhost : 1/18/2022 1:49 pm : link
Said thanks, but no thanks.
RE: RE: Ok ... In 2003 Poles was a redshirt OG at BC when Brian Flores was a  
Rory : 1/18/2022 1:49 pm : link
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starting LB. I like the connection and would love to see them reunited.

Do it.


I think a Poles/Pederson pairing would be more likely


I want Pederson
2nd interview for Poles  
M.S. : 1/18/2022 1:51 pm : link

Maybe he's not in the pole position.
I'll  
Steve in Greenwich : 1/18/2022 2:00 pm : link
preface it by saying I have no idea anymore what makes a good NFL Head Coach, considering so many guys I wouldn't have touched with a 10 ft pole as a Head Coach over the last 3 years have been successful (Mike Vrabel, Zach Taylor, Brandon Staley, Nick Sirianni) and the guys who I thought would be (Matt Ruhle) have been terrible; but it amazes me how much more I like the pool of GM's that we are interviewing than I do the supposed pool of Head Coach targets that are out there. I don't think I will actually be "excited" by a single head coaching option that is out there in this group; but at the very least many of these GM's they are bringing in actually do excite me.
RE: RE: I hate to be so cynical...  
bw in dc : 1/18/2022 2:06 pm : link
In comment 15559385 Sean said:
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but I hope this is a legit shot and not a move to satisfy the Rooney Rule.


I know you view Schoen as “Giants Way”, but Poles has BC connections and is close friends with Chris Snee. Just about every candidate may have some sort of NYG link if you look hard enough.


I don't want to give the impression I don't think Schoen isn't qualified. He is. I'm just trying to find the most qualified outsider with the fewest ties administratively to Jints Central. Poles isn't that.
Age of Poles  
ryanmkeane : 1/18/2022 2:09 pm : link
could also be seen as a positive - with the way the college game is now and these kids coming into the league at 20/21 years old with everything that’s put on their shoulders perhaps he’s the best character witness to that
I like  
NYPanos : 1/18/2022 2:28 pm : link
Schoen better. Other than what he has done at Bills, I am getting a good feeling:)
RE: RE: I hate to be so cynical...  
adamg : 1/18/2022 2:29 pm : link
In comment 15559385 Sean said:
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but I hope this is a legit shot and not a move to satisfy the Rooney Rule.


I know you view Schoen as “Giants Way”, but Poles has BC connections and is close friends with Chris Snee. Just about every candidate may have some sort of NYG link if you look hard enough.


Six degrees of Chris Mara.
If there's a BC connection it's probably going to  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/18/2022 2:33 pm : link
Be of interest to Mara and like it or not he is the decider.

I just want the candidate to be the best within the filter the Giants will always have in place no matter what we say or do.
Steve in Greenwich  
arniefez : 1/18/2022 2:34 pm : link
Chris Mara could not and can not be a GM on another NFL team and IMO the interest of another team hiring him is greatly exaggerated. He owns the Giants. It wouldn't be allowed. He'd have to sell his piece if he's even allowed to and even then the rest of the league might not allow it.

Think about it, now that Woody is back if another team hired Chris Johnson to be their GM and then that team traded with the Jets how would that look?
I agree with Ten Ton  
arniefez : 1/18/2022 2:38 pm : link
I think several of you are way under estimating the BC connection. Did you see the quote in the Athletic today from Chris Snee?

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“I’ll still go to games and I’ll do appearances, but I can’t really watch. I get frustrated,” said former Pro Bowl guard Chris Snee. “I want to see this team do well so badly. It’s been very hard.”


Of course I have no idea how this will play out but IMO Poles is a very serious candidate not satisfying the Rooney Rule.
Hoping for Schoen…  
morrison40 : 1/18/2022 2:44 pm : link
Poles is legit but his experience is light compared to Schoen, Giants cannot afford to miss on this .
Have there been any more social media clues  
Chris684 : 1/18/2022 2:44 pm : link
on who might be added to the 2nd round list, if anyone?

I've been waiting to hear Horitz's name. I'm curious if we don't if it's possible that a certain college head coach's name was brought up in the initial interview.
RE: Steve in Greenwich  
GiantGrit : 1/18/2022 3:05 pm : link
In comment 15559504 arniefez said:
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Chris Mara could not and can not be a GM on another NFL team and IMO the interest of another team hiring him is greatly exaggerated. He owns the Giants. It wouldn't be allowed. He'd have to sell his piece if he's even allowed to and even then the rest of the league might not allow it.

Think about it, now that Woody is back if another team hired Chris Johnson to be their GM and then that team traded with the Jets how would that look?


I don’t know many things, i do know for a fact Chris Mara was offered a GM job a few years back. One of the beats reported he had the ability to take a GM job and i’ve heard thats true. Ultimately preferred staying with the Giants.
RE: RE: Steve in Greenwich  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/18/2022 3:12 pm : link
In comment 15559549 GiantGrit said:
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Chris Mara could not and can not be a GM on another NFL team and IMO the interest of another team hiring him is greatly exaggerated. He owns the Giants. It wouldn't be allowed. He'd have to sell his piece if he's even allowed to and even then the rest of the league might not allow it.

Think about it, now that Woody is back if another team hired Chris Johnson to be their GM and then that team traded with the Jets how would that look?



I don’t know many things, i do know for a fact Chris Mara was offered a GM job a few years back. One of the beats reported he had the ability to take a GM job and i’ve heard thats true. Ultimately preferred staying with the Giants.


My understanding of it is that he CAN be a GM elsewhere if he sells his stake in the Giants. I could certainly be dead wrong on that
Here’s my issue  
UGADawgs7 : 1/18/2022 3:18 pm : link
If they are interviewing 1 candidate per day. Hypothetically speaking, this happens. The Bears as I’ve heard on ESPN radio have been hit after Schoen and Daboll. They easily can call up and once they interview(not sure if it happened yet) can try and pry both of them ASAP. If Schoen is who they want, I think they’d be better off going 2 interviews tomorrow if possible.
Not sure I love  
NoGainDayne : 1/18/2022 3:28 pm : link
us only hearing about these guys from the 5 person front runner list we heard yesterday.

When Hortiz and Peters, the guys from the most modern organizations we interviewed are not on the chosen list yet.

I REALLY hope it's not because those two didn't like what THEY heard in the interview
Ten Ton Hammer  
GiantGrit : 1/18/2022 3:28 pm : link
Honestly can't even speak as to how that move would be maneuvered, I've just heard Chris Mara 100% was offered a GM job a few years back. That particular item is not smoke.
RE: Not sure I love  
bw in dc : 1/18/2022 3:55 pm : link
In comment 15559597 NoGainDayne said:
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When Hortiz and Peters, the guys from the most modern organizations we interviewed are not on the chosen list yet.

I REALLY hope it's not because those two didn't like what THEY heard in the interview


Those are two valid points.

The Bills are a “Johnny come lately” franchise  
Big Blue '56 : 1/18/2022 4:03 pm : link
with their recent building..The Ravens are a quarter of a century “building empire.” Give me some Ravens
And so it begins … the hiring process is basically at its midpoint and  
Spider56 : 1/18/2022 4:06 pm : link
the cloud of negativity airs it’s ugly head.
RE: RE: Not sure I love  
bleedgiantsblue : 1/18/2022 4:34 pm : link
In comment 15559631 bw in dc said:
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When Hortiz and Peters, the guys from the most modern organizations we interviewed are not on the chosen list yet.

I REALLY hope it's not because those two didn't like what THEY heard in the interview



Those are two valid points.


They are good points. My question though are Peters/Hortiz even interviewing anywhere else? I don't recall seeing them listed for any other vacancy.
RE: I hate to be so cynical...  
Capt. Don : 1/18/2022 4:55 pm : link
In comment 15559297 bw in dc said:
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but I hope this is a legit shot and not a move to satisfy the Rooney Rule.


He is a legit candidate and has been since early November
Giants already knew Poles  
JonC : 1/18/2022 5:17 pm : link
BC and Tim McDonnell, iirc.
RE: Here’s my issue  
AcesUp : 1/18/2022 6:42 pm : link
In comment 15559579 UGADawgs7 said:
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If they are interviewing 1 candidate per day. Hypothetically speaking, this happens. The Bears as I’ve heard on ESPN radio have been hit after Schoen and Daboll. They easily can call up and once they interview(not sure if it happened yet) can try and pry both of them ASAP. If Schoen is who they want, I think they’d be better off going 2 interviews tomorrow if possible.


It's probably not just a quick interview in a corner office. I imagine there is a tour involved as well as dinner in the city or something. They're recruiting as much as interviewing. Don't think it's possible to stack them.

If they are open with Schoen and his people about the timeline for a decision then I do not think it should be a problem. Daboll is a different story though but with his team in the playoffs, I don't see a significant risk there either. I prefer that they have a plan and stick to the timeline then FOMO'ing into a premature decision.
RE: RE: Here’s my issue  
GFAN52 : 1/18/2022 6:47 pm : link
In comment 15559983 AcesUp said:
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If they are interviewing 1 candidate per day. Hypothetically speaking, this happens. The Bears as I’ve heard on ESPN radio have been hit after Schoen and Daboll. They easily can call up and once they interview(not sure if it happened yet) can try and pry both of them ASAP. If Schoen is who they want, I think they’d be better off going 2 interviews tomorrow if possible.



It's probably not just a quick interview in a corner office. I imagine there is a tour involved as well as dinner in the city or something. They're recruiting as much as interviewing. Don't think it's possible to stack them.

If they are open with Schoen and his people about the timeline for a decision then I do not think it should be a problem. Daboll is a different story though but with his team in the playoffs, I don't see a significant risk there either. I prefer that they have a plan and stick to the timeline then FOMO'ing into a premature decision.


It's an all day interview.

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This next round of interviews will all take place at the Giants’ facility. Co-owners John Mara and Steve Tisch, plus Chris Mara, the senior vice president of player personnel, will conduct all the in-person interviews, as they did virtually in the first round. Schoen during his full day spent with the Giants also sat down and talked with other members of the front office and received a tour of the team facility.

RE: Giants already knew Poles  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/18/2022 8:38 pm : link
In comment 15559819 JonC said:
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BC and Tim McDonnell, iirc.

Ugh, any McDonnell connection makes me dubious.
 
Mdgiantsfan : 1/18/2022 8:54 pm : link
How is that we’ve gone from glee for the initial 9 to shooting holes into the, thus far final 2? Who by the way were prime and welcomed candidates a week ago.
RE: RE: Giants already knew Poles  
Chris684 : 1/18/2022 9:38 pm : link
In comment 15560189 Gatorade Dunk said:
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BC and Tim McDonnell, iirc.


Ugh, any McDonnell connection makes me dubious.


The NFL is a pretty incestuous community.

If you want to find a connection you may or may not want to exist, you can probably find one.
RE: Giants already knew Poles  
jestersdead : 1/18/2022 10:18 pm : link
In comment 15559819 JonC said:
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BC and Tim McDonnell, iirc.


Iirc, McDonnell went to Holy Cross and then started his career at Notre Dame.
RE: RE: RE: I hate to be so cynical...  
speedywheels : 1/19/2022 12:30 am : link
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but I hope this is a legit shot and not a move to satisfy the Rooney Rule.



Why even make this statement? You already know they have to satisfy the Rooney Rule. Seems like you are trying to stir the pot, as usual.



Because I hope Poles as a legitimate shot. There is a lot to like.

Do you think Riddick had a legitimate shot in 2017 when Accorsi conducted his fake extensive search?



You do realize that accorsi isn’t involved with this search, right??

🤷🏻‍♂️
RE: RE: Giants already knew Poles  
JonC : 1/19/2022 9:17 am : link
In comment 15560292 jestersdead said:
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BC and Tim McDonnell, iirc.



Iirc, McDonnell went to Holy Cross and then started his career at Notre Dame.


There was a BBIer who posted the connection, perhaps it was a Mara kid but it was definitely BC.
RE: RE: RE: Giants already knew Poles  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/19/2022 9:28 am : link
In comment 15560520 JonC said:
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BC and Tim McDonnell, iirc.



Iirc, McDonnell went to Holy Cross and then started his career at Notre Dame.



There was a BBIer who posted the connection, perhaps it was a Mara kid but it was definitely BC.

John himself is a BC alum. There's plenty of Mara legacy on Chestnut Hill.
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