I'm leaving (or at least trying to) whether they fire me or not. His window for becoming GM of the Giants is officially closed. He might get a shot elsewhere.
I'm leaving (or at least trying to) whether they fire me or not. His window for becoming GM of the Giants is officially closed. He might get a shot elsewhere.
As far as I know, Abrams has never even sniffed a long-list for a GM position with another NFL team in the quarter of a century he's been with the Giants.
His "salary cap guru" status obv spiraled under Gettleman.
Can't see any other team wanting anything to do with a failed assistant GM from a toxic front office who at best was a casual bystander while the roster and cap completely unraveled over the last 4 years.
But who knows, maybe Mara will intercede and make Abrams Food and Beverage Chairman like the mob did with Ace Rothstein in Casino, except that Abrams wouldn't wield any power whatsoever.
based upon Mara's remarks, I'm not entirely sure Mara views the hiring and firing of the AGM as part of the purview of the GM. You'd think it should be since he reports to him, but I got the impression that ownership controls all front office hirings.
Could see Abrams sticking in the role as salary cap guru. Would hope that New Coach has others for Special Teams coaching roles.
A cap "guru" who butchers the cap? If he's still around next year, it will be a troubling sign that the GM cannot make the changes he wants.
he didn't butcher the cap, he utilized the cap to get players on this team for a run. Martinez, Bradberry, L Williams, Ryan & Booker were all key assets.
Also do we forget the cap hell he and DG got us out of with JPP, OBJ, Snacks & Vernon?
An before you say Nate Solder, we all agreed on this board we were desperate for a veteran LT for Eli's last run. It was costly but Solder was the next best available option. Nobody (myself included) could have predicted the drop off he would have after that.
I'm leaving (or at least trying to) whether they fire me or not. His window for becoming GM of the Giants is officially closed. He might get a shot elsewhere.
Yep, better for his career too.
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Could see Abrams sticking in the role as salary cap guru. Would hope that New Coach has others for Special Teams coaching roles.
A cap "guru" who butchers the cap? If he's still around next year, it will be a troubling sign that the GM cannot make the changes he wants.
he didn't butcher the cap, he utilized the cap to get players on this team for a run. Martinez, Bradberry, L Williams, Ryan & Booker were all key assets.
Also do we forget the cap hell he and DG got us out of with JPP, OBJ, Snacks & Vernon?
An before you say Nate Solder, we all agreed on this board we were desperate for a veteran LT for Eli's last run. It was costly but Solder was the next best available option. Nobody (myself included) could have predicted the drop off he would have after that.
Lets not forget that.
As long as he was the guy making the money work and not the guy offering the money I think he has done well.
We managed to have money for Bradberry and Martinez and then Golladay and Jackson. As long as he wasnt the one that said we are good with Hernadez and Solder on the right side of the line lets go after a WR and CB, then Im not complaining about him performing in his role.
Really Depends On How Bad The Photos Quinn Has Are
Could see Abrams sticking in the role as salary cap guru. Would hope that New Coach has others for Special Teams coaching roles.
A cap "guru" who butchers the cap? If he's still around next year, it will be a troubling sign that the GM cannot make the changes he wants.
he didn't butcher the cap, he utilized the cap to get players on this team for a run. Martinez, Bradberry, L Williams, Ryan & Booker were all key assets.
Also do we forget the cap hell he and DG got us out of with JPP, OBJ, Snacks & Vernon?
An before you say Nate Solder, we all agreed on this board we were desperate for a veteran LT for Eli's last run. It was costly but Solder was the next best available option. Nobody (myself included) could have predicted the drop off he would have after that.
Could see Abrams sticking in the role as salary cap guru. Would hope that New Coach has others for Special Teams coaching roles.
A cap "guru" who butchers the cap? If he's still around next year, it will be a troubling sign that the GM cannot make the changes he wants.
he didn't butcher the cap, he utilized the cap to get players on this team for a run. Martinez, Bradberry, L Williams, Ryan & Booker were all key assets.
Also do we forget the cap hell he and DG got us out of with JPP, OBJ, Snacks & Vernon?
An before you say Nate Solder, we all agreed on this board we were desperate for a veteran LT for Eli's last run. It was costly but Solder was the next best available option. Nobody (myself included) could have predicted the drop off he would have after that.
Lets not forget that.
I don't even know where to start with this post.
You sure you want to stand by these comments?
I don’t 100% agree with Rory’s comment but I do think it is important to keep in mind that Abrams worked for DG. DG was the one pushing for these free agents. Abrams job was to fit them under the cap. The failed acquisitions like Solder are more on DG then Abrams.
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he didn't butcher the cap, he utilized the cap to get players on this team for a run. Martinez, Bradberry, L Williams, Ryan & Booker were all key assets.
Also do we forget the cap hell he and DG got us out of with JPP, OBJ, Snacks & Vernon?
An before you say Nate Solder, we all agreed on this board we were desperate for a veteran LT for Eli's last run. It was costly but Solder was the next best available option. Nobody (myself included) could have predicted the drop off he would have after that.
Lets not forget that.
Yes he did butcher the cap. The Giants went most of the year with under the roster limit of 53 players because they didn't have cap space. They repeatedly had to restructure contracts simply to get small bonuses in.
I completely agree that Abrams shouldn't be blamed for bad FA signings, but his literal job was to make sure that everything fit under the cap and he failed.
Could see Abrams sticking in the role as salary cap guru. Would hope that New Coach has others for Special Teams coaching roles.
A cap "guru" who butchers the cap? If he's still around next year, it will be a troubling sign that the GM cannot make the changes he wants.
If DG/Judge told Abrams, “hey we want Players X, Y, Z, make the money work!”, it’s not his fault that the cap is tight. I could see him staying if that is the case. And the new GM will be okay with it because ostensibly he won’t make the same errors in player evaluation.
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As long as he was the guy making the money work and not the guy offering the money I think he has done well.
We managed to have money for Bradberry and Martinez and then Golladay and Jackson. As long as he wasnt the one that said we are good with Hernadez and Solder on the right side of the line lets go after a WR and CB, then Im not complaining about him performing in his role.
But he didn't make the money work. A 4-13 team that could not even field a full roster of players and had to restructure contracts just to pay out small bonuses is the antithesis of "making things work".
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If DG/Judge told Abrams, “hey we want Players X, Y, Z, make the money work!”, it’s not his fault that the cap is tight. I could see him staying if that is the case. And the new GM will be okay with it because ostensibly he won’t make the same errors in player evaluation.
Yes it is his fault. That is literally what a cap guru does. And Abrams failed at it, badly.
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Could see Abrams sticking in the role as salary cap guru. Would hope that New Coach has others for Special Teams coaching roles.
A cap "guru" who butchers the cap? If he's still around next year, it will be a troubling sign that the GM cannot make the changes he wants.
he didn't butcher the cap, he utilized the cap to get players on this team for a run. Martinez, Bradberry, L Williams, Ryan & Booker were all key assets.
Also do we forget the cap hell he and DG got us out of with JPP, OBJ, Snacks & Vernon?
An before you say Nate Solder, we all agreed on this board we were desperate for a veteran LT for Eli's last run. It was costly but Solder was the next best available option. Nobody (myself included) could have predicted the drop off he would have after that.
Lets not forget that.
I don't even know where to start with this post.
You sure you want to stand by these comments?
I don’t 100% agree with Rory’s comment but I do think it is important to keep in mind that Abrams worked for DG. DG was the one pushing for these free agents. Abrams job was to fit them under the cap. The failed acquisitions like Solder are more on DG then Abrams.
Of course, DG is the most to blame. No question. However, that post is way off the mark.
Keep in mind also, and as was publicly stated, that Abrams had been working more and more over past few years on player eval/acquisition too, so...
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As long as he was the guy making the money work and not the guy offering the money I think he has done well.
We managed to have money for Bradberry and Martinez and then Golladay and Jackson. As long as he wasnt the one that said we are good with Hernadez and Solder on the right side of the line lets go after a WR and CB, then Im not complaining about him performing in his role.
But he didn't make the money work. A 4-13 team that could not even field a full roster of players and had to restructure contracts just to pay out small bonuses is the antithesis of "making things work".
The massive amount of injuries really led to that situation. I think we had 23 players on IR going into that last game. That’s a ridiculous number of injuries.
good point. I do recall now reading that Abrams was becoming more involved. Presumably they were just going to promote him if this season went well and DG retired.
There is something horribly wrong, but it is not nepotism. Quinn is not part of the Mara family. Unless he is banging Kate and we all just don't know it....
Oh, and I put the odds and 97% that both get retained. Abrams and Quinn.
Could see Abrams sticking in the role as salary cap guru. Would hope that New Coach has others for Special Teams coaching roles.
A cap "guru" who butchers the cap? If he's still around next year, it will be a troubling sign that the GM cannot make the changes he wants.
he didn't butcher the cap, he utilized the cap to get players on this team for a run. Martinez, Bradberry, L Williams, Ryan & Booker were all key assets.
Also do we forget the cap hell he and DG got us out of with JPP, OBJ, Snacks & Vernon?
An before you say Nate Solder, we all agreed on this board we were desperate for a veteran LT for Eli's last run. It was costly but Solder was the next best available option. Nobody (myself included) could have predicted the drop off he would have after that.
Lets not forget that.
Hold up, GTFO with this nonsense!
I can't think of any team in NFL history that was in so much cap trouble, they could not carry a full 53 man roster. Don't even try to compare the Reese years to this unmitigated disaster we endured this year! Abrams is a cap guru who's genus put us in so much trouble we had to play more than a handful of games this year without a full roster of players!!!!! Nothing so drastically bad ever happened before Gettleman and Abrams took their hands at the wheel of the clown car.
either has pictures of Mara in compromising positions or is the Giants version of Milton at Initech from Office Space.
He is just there. They aren't paying him and he just doesn't get the message so they keep him around in some close sized office in the basement of Metlife Stadium.
Abrams. Pfft! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Could see Abrams sticking in the role as salary cap guru. Would hope that New Coach has others for Special Teams coaching roles.
A cap "guru" who butchers the cap? If he's still around next year, it will be a troubling sign that the GM cannot make the changes he wants.
he didn't butcher the cap, he utilized the cap to get players on this team for a run. Martinez, Bradberry, L Williams, Ryan & Booker were all key assets.
Also do we forget the cap hell he and DG got us out of with JPP, OBJ, Snacks & Vernon?
An before you say Nate Solder, we all agreed on this board we were desperate for a veteran LT for Eli's last run. It was costly but Solder was the next best available option. Nobody (myself included) could have predicted the drop off he would have after that.
Lets not forget that.
Hold up, GTFO with this nonsense!
I can't think of any team in NFL history that was in so much cap trouble, they could not carry a full 53 man roster. Don't even try to compare the Reese years to this unmitigated disaster we endured this year! Abrams is a cap guru who's genus put us in so much trouble we had to play more than a handful of games this year without a full roster of players!!!!! Nothing so drastically bad ever happened before Gettleman and Abrams took their hands at the wheel of the clown car.
Abrams could have moved stuff around to get 53. They were not needed and he was smart enough not to throw any more money away on this season. What was the point? He got Gettleman the players he wanted. Hurt the cap for this year and next, but it looks good after that. I really don't see him as a big culpret here. I don't see him as the answer at GM but dont think he was as clueless as some seem to think.
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The massive amount of injuries really led to that situation. I think we had 23 players on IR going into that last game. That’s a ridiculous number of injuries.
The Giants went 2/3rds of the season without a complete roster. They have been restructuring contracts since October. They were 5th in the league in games lost to injury, why didn’t those teams with more games lost have the same problem?
I have seen zero evidence that Abrams is especially good at his job. “Oh, he fit all of those contracts under the cap!” As if that isn’t the most minimal requirement of a cap specialist. It’s like giving a high schooler points for getting his name right on a test.
Yet we have ample evidence that he may not be so good at his job, the evidence I’ve already submitted. Stop falling for media spin, which has painted Abrams as some kind of wunderkind (or wonder kid for Ted Lasso fans!). Pat Hanlon doing his job again.
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Could see Abrams sticking in the role as salary cap guru. Would hope that New Coach has others for Special Teams coaching roles.
A cap "guru" who butchers the cap? If he's still around next year, it will be a troubling sign that the GM cannot make the changes he wants.
he didn't butcher the cap, he utilized the cap to get players on this team for a run. Martinez, Bradberry, L Williams, Ryan & Booker were all key assets.
Also do we forget the cap hell he and DG got us out of with JPP, OBJ, Snacks & Vernon?
An before you say Nate Solder, we all agreed on this board we were desperate for a veteran LT for Eli's last run. It was costly but Solder was the next best available option. Nobody (myself included) could have predicted the drop off he would have after that.
Lets not forget that.
Hold up, GTFO with this nonsense!
I can't think of any team in NFL history that was in so much cap trouble, they could not carry a full 53 man roster. Don't even try to compare the Reese years to this unmitigated disaster we endured this year! Abrams is a cap guru who's genus put us in so much trouble we had to play more than a handful of games this year without a full roster of players!!!!! Nothing so drastically bad ever happened before Gettleman and Abrams took their hands at the wheel of the clown car.
Abrams could have moved stuff around to get 53. They were not needed and he was smart enough not to throw any more money away on this season. What was the point? He got Gettleman the players he wanted. Hurt the cap for this year and next, but it looks good after that. I really don't see him as a big culpret here. I don't see him as the answer at GM but dont think he was as clueless as some seem to think.
And restructuring contracts just to pay out small bonuses? Fitting contracts under the cap is literally what EVERY TEAM IN THE LEAGUE DOES! Stop acting like Abrams is a whiz kid for figuring out 2+2=4.
And the cap is in great shape for 2023? Who the fuck cares? We are hosed next year, and will have like 20 players under contract after that. That isn’t necessarily Abrams fault, DG made that deal with the devil, but if Abrams shouldn’t get the blame, he shouldn’t get the credit either.
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Could see Abrams sticking in the role as salary cap guru. Would hope that New Coach has others for Special Teams coaching roles.
A cap "guru" who butchers the cap? If he's still around next year, it will be a troubling sign that the GM cannot make the changes he wants.
he didn't butcher the cap, he utilized the cap to get players on this team for a run. Martinez, Bradberry, L Williams, Ryan & Booker were all key assets.
Also do we forget the cap hell he and DG got us out of with JPP, OBJ, Snacks & Vernon?
An before you say Nate Solder, we all agreed on this board we were desperate for a veteran LT for Eli's last run. It was costly but Solder was the next best available option. Nobody (myself included) could have predicted the drop off he would have after that.
Lets not forget that.
It's the GM's job to be able to view film, scout, and realize that Solder was fool's gold.
be a super nice guy. He finally gets fired then re-hired in a role they didn’t have before. He’s like Barnes or Murph. Murph is the head if security but there are numerous stories of him getting into bar fights with coaches. I suppose backing up your boy is a type of security but not really professional. Maybe the stories are incorrect.
Good one!
It's called nepotism.
Hope the new GM has a cute for that.
It's called nepotism.
Hope the new GM has a cute for that.
A cute GM?
How about some cheerleaders while we're about it!
Actually, that's one thing
I agree, I think a GM from outside will want his own guys in there.
A cap "guru" who butchers the cap? If he's still around next year, it will be a troubling sign that the GM cannot make the changes he wants.
As far as I know, Abrams has never even sniffed a long-list for a GM position with another NFL team in the quarter of a century he's been with the Giants.
His "salary cap guru" status obv spiraled under Gettleman.
Can't see any other team wanting anything to do with a failed assistant GM from a toxic front office who at best was a casual bystander while the roster and cap completely unraveled over the last 4 years.
But who knows, maybe Mara will intercede and make Abrams Food and Beverage Chairman like the mob did with Ace Rothstein in Casino, except that Abrams wouldn't wield any power whatsoever.
Also would be the only link to the players since most of the coaches will be gone.
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Could see Abrams sticking in the role as salary cap guru. Would hope that New Coach has others for Special Teams coaching roles.
A cap "guru" who butchers the cap? If he's still around next year, it will be a troubling sign that the GM cannot make the changes he wants.
he didn't butcher the cap, he utilized the cap to get players on this team for a run. Martinez, Bradberry, L Williams, Ryan & Booker were all key assets.
Also do we forget the cap hell he and DG got us out of with JPP, OBJ, Snacks & Vernon?
An before you say Nate Solder, we all agreed on this board we were desperate for a veteran LT for Eli's last run. It was costly but Solder was the next best available option. Nobody (myself included) could have predicted the drop off he would have after that.
Lets not forget that.
Yep, better for his career too.
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Could see Abrams sticking in the role as salary cap guru. Would hope that New Coach has others for Special Teams coaching roles.
A cap "guru" who butchers the cap? If he's still around next year, it will be a troubling sign that the GM cannot make the changes he wants.
he didn't butcher the cap, he utilized the cap to get players on this team for a run. Martinez, Bradberry, L Williams, Ryan & Booker were all key assets.
Also do we forget the cap hell he and DG got us out of with JPP, OBJ, Snacks & Vernon?
An before you say Nate Solder, we all agreed on this board we were desperate for a veteran LT for Eli's last run. It was costly but Solder was the next best available option. Nobody (myself included) could have predicted the drop off he would have after that.
Lets not forget that.
As long as he was the guy making the money work and not the guy offering the money I think he has done well.
We managed to have money for Bradberry and Martinez and then Golladay and Jackson. As long as he wasnt the one that said we are good with Hernadez and Solder on the right side of the line lets go after a WR and CB, then Im not complaining about him performing in his role.
How many family members in them?
Also would be the only link to the players since most of the coaches will be gone.
So he goes from Asst GM to Julie the Cruise Director?
pass...
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Could see Abrams sticking in the role as salary cap guru. Would hope that New Coach has others for Special Teams coaching roles.
A cap "guru" who butchers the cap? If he's still around next year, it will be a troubling sign that the GM cannot make the changes he wants.
he didn't butcher the cap, he utilized the cap to get players on this team for a run. Martinez, Bradberry, L Williams, Ryan & Booker were all key assets.
Also do we forget the cap hell he and DG got us out of with JPP, OBJ, Snacks & Vernon?
An before you say Nate Solder, we all agreed on this board we were desperate for a veteran LT for Eli's last run. It was costly but Solder was the next best available option. Nobody (myself included) could have predicted the drop off he would have after that.
Lets not forget that.
I don't even know where to start with this post.
You sure you want to stand by these comments?
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Could see Abrams sticking in the role as salary cap guru. Would hope that New Coach has others for Special Teams coaching roles.
A cap "guru" who butchers the cap? If he's still around next year, it will be a troubling sign that the GM cannot make the changes he wants.
he didn't butcher the cap, he utilized the cap to get players on this team for a run. Martinez, Bradberry, L Williams, Ryan & Booker were all key assets.
Also do we forget the cap hell he and DG got us out of with JPP, OBJ, Snacks & Vernon?
An before you say Nate Solder, we all agreed on this board we were desperate for a veteran LT for Eli's last run. It was costly but Solder was the next best available option. Nobody (myself included) could have predicted the drop off he would have after that.
Lets not forget that.
I don't even know where to start with this post.
You sure you want to stand by these comments?
I don’t 100% agree with Rory’s comment but I do think it is important to keep in mind that Abrams worked for DG. DG was the one pushing for these free agents. Abrams job was to fit them under the cap. The failed acquisitions like Solder are more on DG then Abrams.
he didn't butcher the cap, he utilized the cap to get players on this team for a run. Martinez, Bradberry, L Williams, Ryan & Booker were all key assets.
Also do we forget the cap hell he and DG got us out of with JPP, OBJ, Snacks & Vernon?
An before you say Nate Solder, we all agreed on this board we were desperate for a veteran LT for Eli's last run. It was costly but Solder was the next best available option. Nobody (myself included) could have predicted the drop off he would have after that.
Lets not forget that.
Yes he did butcher the cap. The Giants went most of the year with under the roster limit of 53 players because they didn't have cap space. They repeatedly had to restructure contracts simply to get small bonuses in.
I completely agree that Abrams shouldn't be blamed for bad FA signings, but his literal job was to make sure that everything fit under the cap and he failed.
That is butchering the cap.
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Could see Abrams sticking in the role as salary cap guru. Would hope that New Coach has others for Special Teams coaching roles.
A cap "guru" who butchers the cap? If he's still around next year, it will be a troubling sign that the GM cannot make the changes he wants.
If DG/Judge told Abrams, “hey we want Players X, Y, Z, make the money work!”, it’s not his fault that the cap is tight. I could see him staying if that is the case. And the new GM will be okay with it because ostensibly he won’t make the same errors in player evaluation.
As long as he was the guy making the money work and not the guy offering the money I think he has done well.
We managed to have money for Bradberry and Martinez and then Golladay and Jackson. As long as he wasnt the one that said we are good with Hernadez and Solder on the right side of the line lets go after a WR and CB, then Im not complaining about him performing in his role.
But he didn't make the money work. A 4-13 team that could not even field a full roster of players and had to restructure contracts just to pay out small bonuses is the antithesis of "making things work".
If DG/Judge told Abrams, “hey we want Players X, Y, Z, make the money work!”, it’s not his fault that the cap is tight. I could see him staying if that is the case. And the new GM will be okay with it because ostensibly he won’t make the same errors in player evaluation.
Yes it is his fault. That is literally what a cap guru does. And Abrams failed at it, badly.
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Could see Abrams sticking in the role as salary cap guru. Would hope that New Coach has others for Special Teams coaching roles.
A cap "guru" who butchers the cap? If he's still around next year, it will be a troubling sign that the GM cannot make the changes he wants.
he didn't butcher the cap, he utilized the cap to get players on this team for a run. Martinez, Bradberry, L Williams, Ryan & Booker were all key assets.
Also do we forget the cap hell he and DG got us out of with JPP, OBJ, Snacks & Vernon?
An before you say Nate Solder, we all agreed on this board we were desperate for a veteran LT for Eli's last run. It was costly but Solder was the next best available option. Nobody (myself included) could have predicted the drop off he would have after that.
Lets not forget that.
I don't even know where to start with this post.
You sure you want to stand by these comments?
I don’t 100% agree with Rory’s comment but I do think it is important to keep in mind that Abrams worked for DG. DG was the one pushing for these free agents. Abrams job was to fit them under the cap. The failed acquisitions like Solder are more on DG then Abrams.
Of course, DG is the most to blame. No question. However, that post is way off the mark.
Keep in mind also, and as was publicly stated, that Abrams had been working more and more over past few years on player eval/acquisition too, so...
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As long as he was the guy making the money work and not the guy offering the money I think he has done well.
We managed to have money for Bradberry and Martinez and then Golladay and Jackson. As long as he wasnt the one that said we are good with Hernadez and Solder on the right side of the line lets go after a WR and CB, then Im not complaining about him performing in his role.
But he didn't make the money work. A 4-13 team that could not even field a full roster of players and had to restructure contracts just to pay out small bonuses is the antithesis of "making things work".
The massive amount of injuries really led to that situation. I think we had 23 players on IR going into that last game. That’s a ridiculous number of injuries.
It's called nepotism.
Hope the new GM has a cute for that.
There is something horribly wrong, but it is not nepotism. Quinn is not part of the Mara family. Unless he is banging Kate and we all just don't know it....
Oh, and I put the odds and 97% that both get retained. Abrams and Quinn.
Hilarious! The world is changing so quickly right now. I wonder if future generations will look at that movie and not be able to relate to it...?
BTW, one of my all time favorites!
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Could see Abrams sticking in the role as salary cap guru. Would hope that New Coach has others for Special Teams coaching roles.
A cap "guru" who butchers the cap? If he's still around next year, it will be a troubling sign that the GM cannot make the changes he wants.
he didn't butcher the cap, he utilized the cap to get players on this team for a run. Martinez, Bradberry, L Williams, Ryan & Booker were all key assets.
Also do we forget the cap hell he and DG got us out of with JPP, OBJ, Snacks & Vernon?
An before you say Nate Solder, we all agreed on this board we were desperate for a veteran LT for Eli's last run. It was costly but Solder was the next best available option. Nobody (myself included) could have predicted the drop off he would have after that.
Lets not forget that.
Hold up, GTFO with this nonsense!
I can't think of any team in NFL history that was in so much cap trouble, they could not carry a full 53 man roster. Don't even try to compare the Reese years to this unmitigated disaster we endured this year! Abrams is a cap guru who's genus put us in so much trouble we had to play more than a handful of games this year without a full roster of players!!!!! Nothing so drastically bad ever happened before Gettleman and Abrams took their hands at the wheel of the clown car.
Ownership is super-loyal, and it’s a tough addiction to break for them.
He is just there. They aren't paying him and he just doesn't get the message so they keep him around in some close sized office in the basement of Metlife Stadium.
Abrams. Pfft! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
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Could see Abrams sticking in the role as salary cap guru. Would hope that New Coach has others for Special Teams coaching roles.
A cap "guru" who butchers the cap? If he's still around next year, it will be a troubling sign that the GM cannot make the changes he wants.
he didn't butcher the cap, he utilized the cap to get players on this team for a run. Martinez, Bradberry, L Williams, Ryan & Booker were all key assets.
Also do we forget the cap hell he and DG got us out of with JPP, OBJ, Snacks & Vernon?
An before you say Nate Solder, we all agreed on this board we were desperate for a veteran LT for Eli's last run. It was costly but Solder was the next best available option. Nobody (myself included) could have predicted the drop off he would have after that.
Lets not forget that.
Hold up, GTFO with this nonsense!
I can't think of any team in NFL history that was in so much cap trouble, they could not carry a full 53 man roster. Don't even try to compare the Reese years to this unmitigated disaster we endured this year! Abrams is a cap guru who's genus put us in so much trouble we had to play more than a handful of games this year without a full roster of players!!!!! Nothing so drastically bad ever happened before Gettleman and Abrams took their hands at the wheel of the clown car.
Abrams could have moved stuff around to get 53. They were not needed and he was smart enough not to throw any more money away on this season. What was the point? He got Gettleman the players he wanted. Hurt the cap for this year and next, but it looks good after that. I really don't see him as a big culpret here. I don't see him as the answer at GM but dont think he was as clueless as some seem to think.
The massive amount of injuries really led to that situation. I think we had 23 players on IR going into that last game. That’s a ridiculous number of injuries.
The Giants went 2/3rds of the season without a complete roster. They have been restructuring contracts since October. They were 5th in the league in games lost to injury, why didn’t those teams with more games lost have the same problem?
I have seen zero evidence that Abrams is especially good at his job. “Oh, he fit all of those contracts under the cap!” As if that isn’t the most minimal requirement of a cap specialist. It’s like giving a high schooler points for getting his name right on a test.
Yet we have ample evidence that he may not be so good at his job, the evidence I’ve already submitted. Stop falling for media spin, which has painted Abrams as some kind of wunderkind (or wonder kid for Ted Lasso fans!). Pat Hanlon doing his job again.
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Could see Abrams sticking in the role as salary cap guru. Would hope that New Coach has others for Special Teams coaching roles.
A cap "guru" who butchers the cap? If he's still around next year, it will be a troubling sign that the GM cannot make the changes he wants.
he didn't butcher the cap, he utilized the cap to get players on this team for a run. Martinez, Bradberry, L Williams, Ryan & Booker were all key assets.
Also do we forget the cap hell he and DG got us out of with JPP, OBJ, Snacks & Vernon?
An before you say Nate Solder, we all agreed on this board we were desperate for a veteran LT for Eli's last run. It was costly but Solder was the next best available option. Nobody (myself included) could have predicted the drop off he would have after that.
Lets not forget that.
Hold up, GTFO with this nonsense!
I can't think of any team in NFL history that was in so much cap trouble, they could not carry a full 53 man roster. Don't even try to compare the Reese years to this unmitigated disaster we endured this year! Abrams is a cap guru who's genus put us in so much trouble we had to play more than a handful of games this year without a full roster of players!!!!! Nothing so drastically bad ever happened before Gettleman and Abrams took their hands at the wheel of the clown car.
Abrams could have moved stuff around to get 53. They were not needed and he was smart enough not to throw any more money away on this season. What was the point? He got Gettleman the players he wanted. Hurt the cap for this year and next, but it looks good after that. I really don't see him as a big culpret here. I don't see him as the answer at GM but dont think he was as clueless as some seem to think.
And restructuring contracts just to pay out small bonuses? Fitting contracts under the cap is literally what EVERY TEAM IN THE LEAGUE DOES! Stop acting like Abrams is a whiz kid for figuring out 2+2=4.
And the cap is in great shape for 2023? Who the fuck cares? We are hosed next year, and will have like 20 players under contract after that. That isn’t necessarily Abrams fault, DG made that deal with the devil, but if Abrams shouldn’t get the blame, he shouldn’t get the credit either.
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Could see Abrams sticking in the role as salary cap guru. Would hope that New Coach has others for Special Teams coaching roles.
A cap "guru" who butchers the cap? If he's still around next year, it will be a troubling sign that the GM cannot make the changes he wants.
he didn't butcher the cap, he utilized the cap to get players on this team for a run. Martinez, Bradberry, L Williams, Ryan & Booker were all key assets.
Also do we forget the cap hell he and DG got us out of with JPP, OBJ, Snacks & Vernon?
An before you say Nate Solder, we all agreed on this board we were desperate for a veteran LT for Eli's last run. It was costly but Solder was the next best available option. Nobody (myself included) could have predicted the drop off he would have after that.
Lets not forget that.
It's the GM's job to be able to view film, scout, and realize that Solder was fool's gold.