The Giants may be in a position to consummate another trade similar to the 2021 Bears swap.
The Steelers are picking 20th. Tomlin has publicly stated they are operating under the belief that Big Ben is retired and that all options are on the table to find his replacement.
The teams picking 1-4 are likely not picking a QB. Jacksonville and NYJ certainly not. It’s possible Detroit or Houston may fall in love, but is the value there for those teams with other prospects on the board?
Assuming the Giants are not going QB…
It gets interesting after their 5th pick. Carolina, at 6, needs a QB. The the Giants again at 7.
Starting with picks 8-12 you could argue 4 of the 5 teams could be looking to draft a QB. Atlanta, Denver, Washington and Minnesota. Picks 13-19 are likely not obvious QB needy teams, although Cleveland, Philadelphia and New Orleans are probably all at least thinking about it. The Eagles especially.
And then there is Pittsburgh at 20.
If there is a QB any team REALLY loves, the 5 spot is the pick you really need to get yourself into. After that, the 7 spot becomes the last ditch slot to give yourself a chance. So while Steelers represent the best value for the Giants, there are arguably 9 teams in play for a quarterback.
A move from either 5 or 7 back to 20 would net an even bigger collection of picks than the Bears trade and set the new GM up to have a nice collection of picks in year 1 and 2.
Fun to speculate on the future.
We traded back to get extra picks in both the 1st and 2nd round last year. Is it wise to trade back again or just draft players that can help your team now. If we could land Ekwonu at 5 and trade back with Pittsburgh and get Linderbaum at 20 while picking up a 2023 1st round and 4th round pick while getting Pittsburgh's 2022 2md round and 4th round picks then maybe.
Do we want to drop that far, again and get the #7 or 8 OL, or miss on the ER Johnson?
agreed.....you want to drop back and still draft Lindenbaum from Iowa....20 is too far.
Do we want to drop that far, again and get the #7 or 8 OL, or miss on the ER Johnson?
Philly also has 3 first round picks (15, 16, 19, 51 and 83) and might be willing to give up more than one first rounder to get up to #5 or #7 to take a QB.
Steelers only have 6 picks this draft (3 in top 100) and given their history I would not expect their 2023 first round pick to be a top 10 pick. Forget family history, the #5 and #7 picks might be too valuable to move back to #20 pick.
The trade from last year is lauded around here a lot, but honestly Toney and #7 this year are probably lesser building blocks than Parsons.
We traded back to get extra picks in both the 1st and 2nd round last year. Is it wise to trade back again or just draft players that can help your team now.
I don't think "help your team now" is the philosophy that the Giants need to have. 2022 is not going to be a good year, they need to be building for something starting 2023 and beyond.
I wouldn't fall in love with any particular player in this year's draft at the expense of acquiring more picks in 2023 in the right trade.
Philly also has 3 first round picks (15, 16, 19, 51 and 83) and might be willing to give up more than one first rounder to get up to #5 or #7 to take a QB.
Steelers only have 6 picks this draft (3 in top 100) and given their history I would not expect their 2023 first round pick to be a top 10 pick. Forget family history, the #5 and #7 picks might be too valuable to move back to #20 pick.
Good post, laying out picks is helpful in thinking through.
If Giants have some desire to pursue a trade down, a new GM can align whether he wants to still stay largely in 2022 draft with extra picks, or push for a bit of a hybrid of 2022 and 2023 picks. Somewhat linked to QB strategies...
Kills two birds - remove Gettleman's worst decision and get immediate cap relief ($8M?).
Yep and they will be in competition with New Orleans.
Such a glorious time to be alive!
Kills two birds - remove Gettleman's worst decision and get immediate cap relief ($8M?).
There is a lot of competition for DG's worst decision, but I don't think Jones value goes anywhere until he passes medicals and shows he can still play in live contact. Best timing might be right before the season starts.
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would be ideal trade back partners as they both have top 10 pick and extra Day 2 picks. Atlanta has 4 picks in top 100 (8, 43, 63, 74) and Denver has 5 picks in top 100 (9, 40, 60, 75 and 92). Giants could trade back from #5 or #7 with either team, get 1 or 2 Day 2 picks and either take BPA or try to trade down again from #8 or #9.
Philly also has 3 first round picks (15, 16, 19, 51 and 83) and might be willing to give up more than one first rounder to get up to #5 or #7 to take a QB.
Steelers only have 6 picks this draft (3 in top 100) and given their history I would not expect their 2023 first round pick to be a top 10 pick. Forget family history, the #5 and #7 picks might be too valuable to move back to #20 pick.
Good post, laying out picks is helpful in thinking through.
If Giants have some desire to pursue a trade down, a new GM can align whether he wants to still stay largely in 2022 draft with extra picks, or push for a bit of a hybrid of 2022 and 2023 picks. Somewhat linked to QB strategies...
There are so many holes on this roster to fill that trading back to acquire picks may be the only way to get enough bodies on the 2022 team.
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I agree that Pittsburgh is a viable partner for a trade but what would NYG get in return?
We traded back to get extra picks in both the 1st and 2nd round last year. Is it wise to trade back again or just draft players that can help your team now.
I don't think "help your team now" is the philosophy that the Giants need to have. 2022 is not going to be a good year, they need to be building for something starting 2023 and beyond.
I wouldn't fall in love with any particular player in this year's draft at the expense of acquiring more picks in 2023 in the right trade.
Don’t want to help your team now…..? Don’t get it
We need impact players. We're much more likely to find them at 5 and 7 than at 20. I'm all for accumulating more capital, but dropping that far is too much.
I believe the Giants are taking Matt Corral at #5, and if they don’t they will trade out, but the Steelers are a bridge too far. Way too far.
In this upcoming Draft, Pittsburgh has 1,444 trade value points wrapped up in the following selections: 20, 52, 84, 135, 222 and 238. The Giants #5 by itself is worth 1,700 points… +250 more than their entire Draft.
Bottom line: the Steelers don’t have enough Draft capital unless you’re talking about their Round One picks in 2023 and 2024. Moreover, no team would trade that far back, and in the Giants case there will be no need. Several teams will be Jones-ing for Matt Corral from 6 - 12… that is if the Giants pass on him.
But I believe Matt Corral will be a NY Giant.
I think dropping to 20 is way too far. We need the building blocks. Trading down a spot or 2 might be a good option but for the most part, This draft looks like we can get good quality at 5 & 7 so make the picks.
If you got a 2nd this year and next year's 1st, I'd do it. If Pittsburgh starts a rookie QB all year, next years 1st round pick could be a top 10 pick.
Giants need players...and lots of them!
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would be ideal trade back partners as they both have top 10 pick and extra Day 2 picks. Atlanta has 4 picks in top 100 (8, 43, 63, 74) and Denver has 5 picks in top 100 (9, 40, 60, 75 and 92). Giants could trade back from #5 or #7 with either team, get 1 or 2 Day 2 picks and either take BPA or try to trade down again from #8 or #9.
Philly also has 3 first round picks (15, 16, 19, 51 and 83) and might be willing to give up more than one first rounder to get up to #5 or #7 to take a QB.
Steelers only have 6 picks this draft (3 in top 100) and given their history I would not expect their 2023 first round pick to be a top 10 pick. Forget family history, the #5 and #7 picks might be too valuable to move back to #20 pick.
Good post, laying out picks is helpful in thinking through.
If Giants have some desire to pursue a trade down, a new GM can align whether he wants to still stay largely in 2022 draft with extra picks, or push for a bit of a hybrid of 2022 and 2023 picks. Somewhat linked to QB strategies...
There are so many holes on this roster to fill that trading back to acquire picks may be the only way to get enough bodies on the 2022 team.
Haha, sad and likely true. Unfortunately a lot of player contracts and restructured ones probably not worth their salt too but some of that is going to have to wait until 2023 to be cleansed.
Do what you can in 2022, gut it down over next two years with cuts, trades, etc and then build it back up using a much better head(s) on player evaluation...
and maybe they would have to move up a little further and then trade with us
2--- Falcons
3--- Broncos
4--- Washington
5-- Eagles
Texans might consider it. And ofc there is also possibility of a surprise team.
One positive is that the Panthers are at 6. If there is a belief that the Panthers are going to be desperate and take a QB it might force one of the other teams to give the Giants a call. Or maybe the Giants can play off of that and get something from the Panthers.
2--- Falcons
3--- Broncos
4--- Washington
5-- Eagles
Texans might consider it. And ofc there is also possibility of a surprise team.
One positive is that the Panthers are at 6. If there is a belief that the Panthers are going to be desperate and take a QB it might force one of the other teams to give the Giants a call. Or maybe the Giants can play off of that and get something from the Panthers.
Ooops meant Steelers and Saints too.
I think dropping to 20 is way too far. We need the building blocks. Trading down a spot or 2 might be a good option but for the most part, This draft looks like we can get good quality at 5 & 7 so make the picks.
This team is devoid of quality at near every position in the front 7 and with the OL and with Tight Ends and with another WR along with subpar RB and sub-par QB that they should be striving for getting
a higher quantity that is quality.
I believe there is a good chance the Giants are going QB with one of the top 10 picks.
That will be a QB rich draft and it'll be nice to have premium picks so we can move around if needed
The trade from last year is lauded around here a lot, but honestly Toney and #7 this year are probably lesser building blocks than Parsons.
Hopefully the new GM recognizes the luxury in having that 2nd first round pick is that he can potentially kick some additional draft capital into next year's draft when we are more likely to be QB hunting and could position ourselves for a jump up for a QB prospect we really like without having to mortgage very many (or any) future picks in the process.
Take your medicine while you're in pain, and the healing comes more quickly.
I believe there is a good chance the Giants are going QB with one of the top 10 picks.
Well, that's the wild card, right?
If the Giants like one of the QBs in this draft, they won't need to accumulate resources to trade up for one in next year's draft.
I think the underlying premise is that the Giants are likely to give DJ another year, and thus should be setting themselves up for whatever they'll need to go get the QB they want in 2023, not whichever one falls into their lap.
But if the new GM is locked in on Corral, or Pickett, or Willis, or whoever, by all means, go for it.
Also, Steelers seem like an ideal spot for a proven veteran - Wilson, Watson - and they become instant SB contenders, they have everything else in place
I believe there is a good chance the Giants are going QB with one of the top 10 picks.
The Giants are needy but they have a 2023 path to get a top line young QB in draft because in 2022 they won't win.
The Eagles will be continually playing for playoff spots and a huge weak spot on their current roster is their QB so 1 pick for a long term young QB while they continually win is not a bad idea. After 2022 the Eagles draft picks will be in 2nd half of draft.
Two entirely different circumstances. If the Giants were like the Eagles in terms of playoffs and a huge weak link was QB, and in the future Giants will be in 2nd half of the draft with a very hard chance to be a Super Bowl contender because our QB was so limited, I would agree with you. .
Also, Steelers seem like an ideal spot for a proven veteran - Wilson, Watson - and they become instant SB contenders, they have everything else in place
The Giants have the number 5 pick or the number 7 pick to sell. That's a batter sell than all but 4 maybe 5 other teams.
Even if that pick if it doesn't yield as top 8 pick for example, you still are getting another 1st rounder. Add that to the team will probably be bad next year, you then start with two 1st round in 2023.
I believe there is a good chance the Giants are going QB with one of the top 10 picks.
Then Giants offense has so many more holes than the Eagles. Arguably, the Eagles are more talented at every position except QB.
The Steelers would have to give up too much to make it worth the type of QB that is available in this year's draft
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I agree that Pittsburgh is a viable partner for a trade but what would NYG get in return?
The Steelers would have to give up too much to make it worth the type of QB that is available in this year's draft
This is such a lazy fan take.
Go look at "the type of QB" that was available in the 2005 draft.
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I agree that Pittsburgh is a viable partner for a trade but what would NYG get in return?
The Steelers would have to give up too much to make it worth the type of QB that is available in this year's draft
This is such a lazy fan take.
Go look at "the type of QB" that was available in the 2005 draft.
okay... then we should be making the pick for the QB instead of trading down. Right?
In 2005, if someone drafted Rodgers in the top 10, fans in GB would have said they reached. All you can go by is the pre draft analysis of these QBs prior to the draft.
Citing teams missing on Rodgers in 2005 and assuming we would get another Rodgers later in the 1st round this year is such a lazy fan take.
Put your balls out there and tell us all now which QB in this draft is the best franchise QB? Who are you drafting? I will save this thread for three years for you.