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Joe Schoen really wants the Giants GM position

shadow_spinner0 : 1/18/2022 3:54 pm
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As my source told me last week, Joe Schoen really wants the #Giants GM position. Both sides feel strongly about one another
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A thread on Joe Schoen shouldn't turn into an intelligence  
Jimmy Googs : 1/18/2022 8:08 pm : link
test on what's best to do with Jones in 2022/23. But yet...it has.

bw in dc shot out a fairly straight-forward post that got a bunch of you all riled up for whatever your particular reason is. Although my guess, for many, it's to challenge the critic versus think through the logic...
RE: Fields  
bw in dc : 1/18/2022 8:24 pm : link
In comment 15560146 Toth029 said:
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Was worse as a rookie than both Jones and Trubisky ever were.

But sky's is the limit, huh.


Okay.

And Jones also had a better year rookie year than Allen's rookie year. Yet, Allen is now one of the top five QBs in the NFL in back-to-back seasons.

Eli Manning was brutally bad his first year. Are you ready to give him on Trevor Lawrence after his poor rookie year?

So, I wouldn't count the super-talented Fields out just yet.

Unless they draft someone, and frankly  
eric2425ny : 1/18/2022 8:36 pm : link
even if they do, the most financially prudent move would be to keep Jones in 2022. Let him take the lumps with the essentially brand new offensive line we will have outside of Thomas and maybe Lemieux.

When the rookie this year or next year comes in they’ll be playing behind a line that has hopefully gelled.

Jones will then go the Trubisky/Mariota/David Carr path and carve out a niche somewhere as a backup with starting experience.

When you see the Mike Glennon’s of the world you realize how long a career Jones could have as a backup.
RE: RE: Fields  
bLiTz 2k : 1/18/2022 9:13 pm : link
In comment 15560173 bw in dc said:
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Was worse as a rookie than both Jones and Trubisky ever were.

But sky's is the limit, huh.



Okay.

And Jones also had a better year rookie year than Allen's rookie year. Yet, Allen is now one of the top five QBs in the NFL in back-to-back seasons.

Eli Manning was brutally bad his first year. Are you ready to give him on Trevor Lawrence after his poor rookie year?

So, I wouldn't count the super-talented Fields out just yet.


Lol
Hey guys  
Jay on the Island : 1/18/2022 9:43 pm : link
Why not start a separate thread to discuss your POV's on Justin Fields, Daniel Jones, etc? Once again a thread that had nothing to do with Daniel Jones has turned into a discussion about him.

RE: Terps  
speedywheels : 1/18/2022 10:10 pm : link
In comment 15560114 DonQuixote said:
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Sweet Jesus, STFU about Daniel Jones. Tiresome ...


He can't help himself - it fucks with his narrative...
RE: RE: Terps  
speedywheels : 1/18/2022 10:12 pm : link
In comment 15560046 Go Terps said:
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thinks Daniel Jones sucks, really happy how this thread turned out.



I don't think he sucks. He does suck.

And there's been a lot more that I and others have said beyond that fact.


ANd yet again, you fucking ignore his surrounding cast.

But yet, your narrative...
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: If the tie-breaker is QB...  
speedywheels : 1/18/2022 10:13 pm : link
In comment 15559689 bw in dc said:
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Fields is 6'3", 230 with a rifle and great speed to improvise.

I said he wasn't the size of Allen, but they do have similar attributes...no?



Dwayne Haskins has similar attributes to Allen as well - how’d they work out?

Like i said, the GM would want his own guy



Haskins did? Haskins has nowhere near the mobility and athleticism as Allen or Fields.


Yes, he does - he has the same (or at least similiar) size, mobility and athleticism
RE: RE: At this point Jones is an IQ test  
speedywheels : 1/18/2022 10:15 pm : link
In comment 15559989 bw in dc said:
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It's not just about his low level of quality (face it he's a day 2/day 3 level talent that was drafted because of Eli/Cutcliffe), it's about timing and cost.

There is no rational case to be made for Jones being here in 2023. That's why I'd pin his presence here in 2023 on Mara, who is decidedly subjective and irrational.

The people being interviewed for GM all seem smart; they're not going to want Jones as the long term QB.



I think it's a waste of time and roster spot to keep Jones around in 2022. I said on a different thread, I would unload Jones for any pick right now - 5th, 6th, 7th. Whatever a team is willing to risk.


Yes, we know your fucking opinion - you've made that clear, time, and time - and time - again.
I am not impressed at all  
River Mike : 1/18/2022 10:15 pm : link
with what I've seen of Jones so far, but then I'm not nearly as qualified as the new GM to evaluate his potential. So, whatever the new GM thinks is best for the Giants Re: Jones, keep him, evaluate him with new coaching, new scheme, hopefully fewer injuries or Covid problems, OR, can him and spend draft capital and/or cap maneuvers to bring someone else for this year, it will be absolutely fine with me. I'm going to start the make-over period by trusting the new GM.
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speedywheels : 1/18/2022 10:17 pm : link
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Your mind is made up. Why do you continue to say this on a daily basis? Nobody wants to hear your thoughts on Jones anymore other than yourself. I think the rest of us will see what the new GM thinks.

Let me guess. New GM likes Jones and wants to wait it out. Will you want that GM fired?



Why would any new GM like Jones?


Because any GM in the league is 1,000 times smarter than you?
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speedywheels : 1/18/2022 10:18 pm : link
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Why would any new GM like Jones?



Two scenarios - (1) He actually does like Jones, and thinks he has the right team (HC, OC, etc) to fix him, which means we picked the wrong GM. Or (2) the new GM has no choice due to ownership intervention.



another awful take.

yes the GM sucks because he goes with jones in 22.

you ever think, they want to build the rest of the roster out first? give jones a year under the OC THEY like? let that contract play out and move on in 23? Any of that is possible. it doesnt mean the GM sucks, it might just be the smart play vs making a trade for a stopgap vet or overdrafting a rookie because you "have a need"

i think regardless of who GM is, jones very well could be starter in 22 but no way beyond that (unless some insanely rare thing happens and jones has a year but that wont so he is starter for jus 22 imo).

again, if the gm thinks there is a better option take it, but my point is, there may not be a better option. the upside of jones with the OC they like may be higher than a mariota or coral


bw and terps don't like anything that fucks with their narrative...
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speedywheels : 1/18/2022 10:19 pm : link
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The Giants went 4-13 because of Daniel Jones? Right.



12-25


Again - that;s not all on Jones. Espcecially given the shit around him...
I dont understand why people  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/18/2022 10:27 pm : link
Who know football would waste time arguing that a qb sucks after 1 year in which his coach and GM got blown out the door for incompetence in roster building.

The bears suck and are poorly coached, so in less than 16 starts fields is a closed book?

We can't agree Jones stinks after 37 starts.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: If the tie-breaker is QB...  
eric2425ny : 1/18/2022 10:27 pm : link
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Fields is 6'3", 230 with a rifle and great speed to improvise.

I said he wasn't the size of Allen, but they do have similar attributes...no?



Dwayne Haskins has similar attributes to Allen as well - how’d they work out?

Like i said, the GM would want his own guy



Haskins did? Haskins has nowhere near the mobility and athleticism as Allen or Fields.




Yes, he does - he has the same (or at least similiar) size, mobility and athleticism


I agree with a lot of your comments on this thread speedy, but not this one. Haskins is super immobile. Allen for a big dude jukes out defenders like he’s half his size and he also runs with some power which is rare for a QB.

Fields is more athletic than Haskins, particularly foot speed, but his rookie year left much to be desired from an actual throwing perspective. When you can’t find a way to get the ball to Allen Robinson (who has succeeded with every level of QB imaginable) then I’m not sure what your future looks like in the NFL.
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Go Terps : 1/18/2022 10:31 pm : link
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Why would any new GM like Jones?



Two scenarios - (1) He actually does like Jones, and thinks he has the right team (HC, OC, etc) to fix him, which means we picked the wrong GM. Or (2) the new GM has no choice due to ownership intervention.



another awful take.

yes the GM sucks because he goes with jones in 22.

you ever think, they want to build the rest of the roster out first? give jones a year under the OC THEY like? let that contract play out and move on in 23? Any of that is possible. it doesnt mean the GM sucks, it might just be the smart play vs making a trade for a stopgap vet or overdrafting a rookie because you "have a need"

i think regardless of who GM is, jones very well could be starter in 22 but no way beyond that (unless some insanely rare thing happens and jones has a year but that wont so he is starter for jus 22 imo).

again, if the gm thinks there is a better option take it, but my point is, there may not be a better option. the upside of jones with the OC they like may be higher than a mariota or coral



bw and terps don't like anything that fucks with their narrative...


What's the narrative?
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Scooter185 : 1/18/2022 10:35 pm : link
In comment 15560296 speedywheels said:
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The Giants went 4-13 because of Daniel Jones? Right.



12-25



Again - that;s not all on Jones. Espcecially given the shit around him...


All on Jones? No, but he deserves a fair share of the blame for it.
RE: RE: Fields  
speedywheels : 1/18/2022 10:39 pm : link
In comment 15560173 bw in dc said:
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Was worse as a rookie than both Jones and Trubisky ever were.

But sky's is the limit, huh.



Okay.

And Jones also had a better year rookie year than Allen's rookie year. Yet, Allen is now one of the top five QBs in the NFL in back-to-back seasons.

Eli Manning was brutally bad his first year. Are you ready to give him on Trevor Lawrence after his poor rookie year?

So, I wouldn't count the super-talented Fields out just yet.


Of course you won't count out Fields. Because you backed him coming out of school.

He's been -overall - complete shit. A moment here and there, but not not significantly better than Jones. But he's he has great physical traits, so he gets a scholarship!

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: If the tie-breaker is QB...  
bw in dc : 1/18/2022 10:45 pm : link
In comment 15560305 eric2425ny said:
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I agree with a lot of your comments on this thread speedy, but not this one. Haskins is super immobile. Allen for a big dude jukes out defenders like he’s half his size and he also runs with some power which is rare for a QB.

Fields is more athletic than Haskins, particularly foot speed, but his rookie year left much to be desired from an actual throwing perspective. When you can’t find a way to get the ball to Allen Robinson (who has succeeded with every level of QB imaginable) then I’m not sure what your future looks like in the NFL.


Fields ran a 4.43 forty. I'm not sure Haskins broke 5.

Fields can run faster backwards.

Didn't Robinson miss something like six games this year?
RE: RE: RE: Fields  
bw in dc : 1/18/2022 10:50 pm : link
In comment 15560323 speedywheels said:
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And Jones also had a better year rookie year than Allen's rookie year. Yet, Allen is now one of the top five QBs in the NFL in back-to-back seasons.

Eli Manning was brutally bad his first year. Are you ready to give him on Trevor Lawrence after his poor rookie year?

So, I wouldn't count the super-talented Fields out just yet.




Of course you won't count out Fields. Because you backed him coming out of school.

He's been -overall - complete shit. A moment here and there, but not not significantly better than Jones. But he's he has great physical traits, so he gets a scholarship!


I'm not going to count out a guy with that tool kit after one year. Why should when I can list many examples of notable QBs who struggled in YR1, but then improved YR2 and beyond.

Meanwhile Jones, who had a decent rookie campaign, has regressed for three consecutive years. Proving that what happens in YR1 can be very misleading.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: If the tie-breaker is QB...  
eric2425ny : 1/18/2022 10:52 pm : link
In comment 15560325 bw in dc said:
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I agree with a lot of your comments on this thread speedy, but not this one. Haskins is super immobile. Allen for a big dude jukes out defenders like he’s half his size and he also runs with some power which is rare for a QB.

Fields is more athletic than Haskins, particularly foot speed, but his rookie year left much to be desired from an actual throwing perspective. When you can’t find a way to get the ball to Allen Robinson (who has succeeded with every level of QB imaginable) then I’m not sure what your future looks like in the NFL.



Fields ran a 4.43 forty. I'm not sure Haskins broke 5.

Fields can run faster backwards.

Didn't Robinson miss something like six games this year?


That’s what I was saying. Haskins is immobile. Robinson missed games late in the year but it was his worst statistical season ever outside of the year he tore his ACL earlier in his career.

Jury is still out in Fields. But I was agreeing with you about Haskins. He is not comparable to Allen or Fields. May have a better arm than Fields, but definitely can’t run like him.
 
christian : 1/18/2022 10:56 pm : link
The reality is Jones likely will be a Giant next year due to his injury.

His roster bonus is presumably due the 5th day or so of the league year (March week 3). If you read the tea leaves, he won’t be able to pass a physical before then, therefore it’s difficult to trade him.

Once that bonus is paid, there’s virtually no financial upside (less than 1M) in trading him, or cutting him (200K).

Now if Jones and Jim Denton know the Giants won’t exercise the option and intend on drafting a QB, maybe they’re allowed to pursue a trade. They can sell the story it didn’t work out, get healthy, change of scenery.

Jones on a 1 year/900K deal could draw a conditional pick.

The Jones situation isn’t a huge problem for the new GM. But Jones is a problem for the new coach. He’s hurt, he’s been bad, and he’ll be on system 3 in 4 years. Coaches don’t get a lot of burner years. A new coach doesn’t get to throw one away. Especially in the wake of the last 3 guys getting 2 years and plank.
Good post  
eric2425ny : 1/18/2022 11:10 pm : link
Christian. That pretty much lays out the situation with Jones. He’s going to be here in 2022. Last year of his rookie deal, they won’t pick up the 5th year option. If they do it will likely be rescinded.
RE: A thread on Joe Schoen shouldn't turn into an intelligence  
Milton : 1/18/2022 11:21 pm : link
In comment 15560154 Jimmy Googs said:
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test on what's best to do with Jones in 2022/23. But yet...it has.

bw in dc shot out a fairly straight-forward post that got a bunch of you all riled up for whatever your particular reason is. Although my guess, for many, it's to challenge the critic versus think through the logic...
No it's because he's being a dick by throwing in a Jones potshot on a thread about Schoen. Is he posting something new? No. Is he basing his opinion on anything that's been reported? No. Is he as big a dick as Go Terps? Not by a long shot. That's why his juvenile trolling is so disappointing. He's supposed to be one of the grown ups (I like bw in dc and generally value his opinion, but this is just childishness born out of boredom and he needed to be called out for it).

As for challenging the critic, he didn't post a criticism. He presented an uninformed hypothetical and then backed it up with an uninformed assumption. As for whether it's an intelligence test, gimme a beak! If you want to challenge me to an IQ test just name the time and place, I scored 27 points above genius the last time I took one (45 years ago).
Not sure how many times it can be said  
ajr2456 : 1/18/2022 11:26 pm : link
Jones has been a mediocre QB for the 11 years of high level football he’s played. It’s not just going to turn around in year 12.
I’ll interrupt this Daniel Jones debate to say that Allen’s 1st TD  
cosmicj : 1/18/2022 11:26 pm : link
Throw in the win over New England this weekend was unearthly brilliant. It may have been among the handful of the best throws I have ever seen.
Not sure how many times it can be said  
ajr2456 : 1/18/2022 11:27 pm : link
Jones has been a mediocre QB for the 11 years of high level football he’s played. It’s not just going to turn around in year 12.
RE: Not sure how many times it can be said  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/18/2022 11:39 pm : link
In comment 15560350 ajr2456 said:
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Jones has been a mediocre QB for the 11 years of high level football he’s played. It’s not just going to turn around in year 12.


It bears repeating considering how his fans still expect him to reach some height he's never been to.
RE: RE: A thread on Joe Schoen shouldn't turn into an intelligence  
bw in dc : 1/18/2022 11:54 pm : link
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No it's because he's being a dick by throwing in a Jones potshot on a thread about Schoen. Is he posting something new? No. Is he basing his opinion on anything that's been reported? No. Is he as big a dick as Go Terps? Not by a long shot. That's why his juvenile trolling is so disappointing. He's supposed to be one of the grown ups (I like bw in dc and generally value his opinion, but this is just childishness born out of boredom and he needed to be called out for it).



The very first post to this thread links a Twitter comment saying Schoen was actually interested in both the Giants and Bears GM openings. Just scroll up. That's where this started.

I thought that was very interesting and wondered what would swing Schoen's decision one way or another if offered booth jobs. The obvious answer seemed to be QB and which team had the better opportunity. I think Fields has a big upside and he's likely going to have a breakout sophomore season. So, it would seem like a smart decision for Schoen to choose Chicago.

Please accept my apology for forgetting our situation is so good that it would be insane for any GM candidate to possibly choose another opportunity instead.
RE: RE: A thread on Joe Schoen shouldn't turn into an intelligence  
Go Terps : 1/18/2022 11:58 pm : link
In comment 15560344 Milton said:
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As for whether it's an intelligence test, gimme a beak! If you want to challenge me to an IQ test just name the time and place, I scored 27 points above genius the last time I took one (45 years ago).


It’s not  
Daniel in MI : 1/19/2022 12:37 am : link
Whether they love DJ or not, it’s what you have to replace him. A vet QB that’s better is about $15 mil a year. And you’re taking a cap hit for DJ, and this isn’t a QB heavy draft. They could try to trade him but with his neck that may not be worth much.

It may very well be that the new GM would like to move on from DJ long term but doesn’t think it’s the best use of resources this particular year. They may take some cap hits this year to clear space, and run with DJ. They find out what they have there, let him compete with whatever option they can afford, and spend their money this year on other holes. Then if DJ isn’t the guy they replace him after there’s no cap hit to let him walk.

Whatever they do, saying it’s a bad move a priori is ridiculous.
RE: RE: Fields  
Toth029 : 1/19/2022 3:10 am : link
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Was worse as a rookie than both Jones and Trubisky ever were.

But sky's is the limit, huh.



Okay.

And Jones also had a better year rookie year than Allen's rookie year. Yet, Allen is now one of the top five QBs in the NFL in back-to-back seasons.

Eli Manning was brutally bad his first year. Are you ready to give him on Trevor Lawrence after his poor rookie year?

So, I wouldn't count the super-talented Fields out just yet.


Allen didn't have nearly as bad a rookie year you claim he did. He didn't have a 26.0 QBR.

I'm not counting him out. But he's not a kind of prospect potential GMs/coaches will be rushing to go manage/HC for.
RE: Not sure how many times it can be said  
Ron Johnson : 1/19/2022 8:00 am : link
In comment 15560350 ajr2456 said:
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Jones has been a mediocre QB for the 11 years of high level football he’s played. It’s not just going to turn around in year 12.


Apparently it can be said tens of thousands of times, with no end in sight.
I think the Giants job is better  
cosmicj : 1/19/2022 8:52 am : link
But the QB situation is secondary to the ownership issues the Bears have. I think Mara is a fool but he’s not a raving douchebag like George McCaskey, the Bears’ Chairman.
RE: RE: RE: A thread on Joe Schoen shouldn't turn into an intelligence  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/19/2022 9:06 am : link
In comment 15560362 Go Terps said:
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As for whether it's an intelligence test, gimme a beak! If you want to challenge me to an IQ test just name the time and place, I scored 27 points above genius the last time I took one (45 years ago).




You're both great posters, so I feel bad laughing at this, but when a GIF perfectly aligns with a reply, it's a treasure to behold.
RE: RE: A thread on Joe Schoen shouldn't turn into an intelligence  
Jimmy Googs : 1/19/2022 10:14 am : link
In comment 15560344 Milton said:
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test on what's best to do with Jones in 2022/23. But yet...it has.

bw in dc shot out a fairly straight-forward post that got a bunch of you all riled up for whatever your particular reason is. Although my guess, for many, it's to challenge the critic versus think through the logic...

No it's because he's being a dick by throwing in a Jones potshot on a thread about Schoen. Is he posting something new? No. Is he basing his opinion on anything that's been reported? No. Is he as big a dick as Go Terps? Not by a long shot. That's why his juvenile trolling is so disappointing. He's supposed to be one of the grown ups (I like bw in dc and generally value his opinion, but this is just childishness born out of boredom and he needed to be called out for it).

As for challenging the critic, he didn't post a criticism. He presented an uninformed hypothetical and then backed it up with an uninformed assumption. As for whether it's an intelligence test, gimme a beak! If you want to challenge me to an IQ test just name the time and place, I scored 27 points above genius the last time I took one (45 years ago).


Milton posting on BBI with his phone...


Why is criticizing Jones  
Jerry in_DC : 1/19/2022 10:28 am : link
"being a dick" or a troll or whatever?

All the people who like Jones criticize the Giants OL, receivers, coaches, etc. But that's not "being a dick" or a troll? What's the difference?
RE: He's just driving up the price on the Bears  
djm : 1/19/2022 12:00 pm : link
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who are significant steps above the lowly Giants.


No they aren't.
what if  
djm : 1/19/2022 12:07 pm : link
there are no god damned QBs worth drafting in round 1 and the Giants don't want to give Jimmy G a whopper contract? Then what? We just HAD to cut Jones even though he was only signed for one year, is better than ANYONE on the roster and likely better than that 2nd rounder you can't wait to draft. So then what????
why was it perfectly fine  
djm : 1/19/2022 12:11 pm : link
to have Kurt Warner here when he was fresh off 2-3 bad seasons even though we just drafted Eli at first overall? But keeping Jones to hold the fort is proof that the big bad wolf is forcing GM's hand. Why is Jones such a bad option but signing some vet FA is not? What the fuck are we gonna do with JAcoby Brisett that we cannot do with Jones? They are near mirrir images of each other and here's a little news flash, Brisett or any other FA comes with a bigger price tag, and I know you all love to talk about money.


let it play out  
djm : 1/19/2022 12:12 pm : link
not everything ties back to Mara forcing the GM's hand.
RE: let it play out  
Scooter185 : 1/19/2022 12:40 pm : link
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not everything ties back to Mara forcing the GM's hand.


Hypothetically, new GM and HC punt Jones into the sun, do you think the Defense Force isn't going to immediately start ripping them?
RE: RE: RE: A thread on Joe Schoen shouldn't turn into an intelligence  
Milton : 1/19/2022 12:41 pm : link
In comment 15560362 Go Terps said:
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As for whether it's an intelligence test, gimme a beak! If you want to challenge me to an IQ test just name the time and place, I scored 27 points above genius the last time I took one (45 years ago).




That got an LOL out of me! And for good reason (it's never good form to be spouting test scores from your teenage years).
My 2 cents  
Thegratefulhead : 1/19/2022 1:23 pm : link
New GM and coach are not going to want any part of Jones.

Gettleman and Judge are gone because Daniel Jones sucked.

If Daniel Jones had just a little magic and won a few games on talent, even with the losing, both would likely still be here. All Mara needed was a little hope but Jones poor play got those men canned, they were tied to his success.

BW trolls and you guys troll him. Is what it is. Stop complaining and own it.

RE: I’ll interrupt this Daniel Jones debate to say that Allen’s 1st TD  
Scyber : 1/19/2022 2:43 pm : link
In comment 15560349 cosmicj said:
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Throw in the win over New England this weekend was unearthly brilliant. It may have been among the handful of the best throws I have ever seen.



Not sure if serious??? He admitted he was trying to throw the ball away.


https://billswire.usatoday.com/2022/01/16/josh-allen-admits-he-tried-to-throw-away-first-bills-td-to-dawson-knox/ - ( New Window )
RE: why was it perfectly fine  
santacruzom : 1/19/2022 2:48 pm : link
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Why is Jones such a bad option but signing some vet FA is not?


I think it's the whole "Jones sucks" thing.
RE: why was it perfectly fine  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/19/2022 5:59 pm : link
In comment 15560900 djm said:
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to have Kurt Warner here when he was fresh off 2-3 bad seasons even though we just drafted Eli at first overall? But keeping Jones to hold the fort is proof that the big bad wolf is forcing GM's hand. Why is Jones such a bad option but signing some vet FA is not? What the fuck are we gonna do with JAcoby Brisett that we cannot do with Jones? They are near mirrir images of each other and here's a little news flash, Brisett or any other FA comes with a bigger price tag, and I know you all love to talk about money.


Can we just acknowledge that we all knew Warner was a placeholder at the time? He was taking over for Collins, who I think the franchise (and fans) would have rather kept as the bridge. But both Collins and Warner were someone else's QBs first, so there wasn't a firstborn attachment. And with that transition, there was a new baby in the house - everyone was eager to see Eli.

That's not what we're dealing with here. With Jones, we have a get-out policy taking form. And his price tag does matter. I know you don't give a fuck about the salary cap, but it's a real thing, and Jones is currently cheap, but that won't be the case after next season.

So we either need to identify a successor now (that would be the Eli in your own example), and make Jones the bridge for 2022, or punt the successor to 2023, and look for someone to compete with Jones in 2022 while we sort out 2023 and beyond.

It's not a good plan to just say "we have Jones already, let's just see" because he hasn't given the team any reason to lock him in yet, so he's entering 2022 as a lame duck.

As for the money, who cost more in 2021, Jones or Trubisky? Could the latter have steered us to 4 wins?
RE: RE: I’ll interrupt this Daniel Jones debate to say that Allen’s 1st TD  
cosmicj : 1/19/2022 6:06 pm : link
In comment 15561193 Scyber said:
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Throw in the win over New England this weekend was unearthly brilliant. It may have been among the handful of the best throws I have ever seen.




Not sure if serious??? He admitted he was trying to throw the ball away.
https://billswire.usatoday.com/2022/01/16/josh-allen-admits-he-tried-to-throw-away-first-bills-td-to-dawson-knox/ - ( New Window )


Didn’t realize this. So it was an utterly brilliant catch. I thought Allen decided to put in a spot where it was either a TD catch or an incompletion.
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River Mike : 1/19/2022 6:06 pm : link
In comment 15560375 Daniel in MI said:
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Whether they love DJ or not, it’s what you have to replace him. A vet QB that’s better is about $15 mil a year. And you’re taking a cap hit for DJ, and this isn’t a QB heavy draft. They could try to trade him but with his neck that may not be worth much.

It may very well be that the new GM would like to move on from DJ long term but doesn’t think it’s the best use of resources this particular year. They may take some cap hits this year to clear space, and run with DJ. They find out what they have there, let him compete with whatever option they can afford, and spend their money this year on other holes. Then if DJ isn’t the guy they replace him after there’s no cap hit to let him walk.

Whatever they do, saying it’s a bad move a priori is ridiculous.


My thoughts exactly
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Jimmy Googs : 1/19/2022 6:49 pm : link
with all the right sentiments above...
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