In fact, they should not overthink this any longer. Nice job looking widely and having an open mind, now just make the correct choice quickly without dilly dallying any longer, just hire that guy.
if so...probably all done and it is just going through NFL Hoops. If so...GREAT!
I have lost trust in this organization over the past 5-7 years and I really want to believe that we have a guy who can steward us back to respectibiltiy and beyond.
Please hire Joe!
Schoen feeling like a no brainer for me at this point
Has all the experience you'd want, including being a big part of rebuilding an organization that was in some disarray. And if he can come with a hot HC candidate that he has a good working relationship with, that's a big plus.
So, Schoen and Daboll. Lets hit the ground running, rebuild this thing and install a modern freakin offense.
Why? He may not like Fields, and may want to draft his own QB
And it sounds like he wont have the final call on HC because the bears ownership is handing that separately and the HC wont report to the GM.
Hopefully if Mara is true to his words the GM will have final say of what coach he wants.
Technically Mara would have final say but mostly just a stamp of approval like any other owner would do.
Well yes, every owner has final say because its there money. But it sounds like the GM in our case is going to be able to do his own HC search. The Bears are doing there HC search along with there GM search at the same time and they wont report to each other.
1. Fields looks like shit
2. They invest multiple picks to fields and we can cut jones tomorrow. It would suck but we didnt invest multiple firsts into him
3. He can pick his qb here either in 22 or 23. He also has a few vet trade options.
1. Fields looks like shit
2. They invest multiple picks to fields and we can cut jones tomorrow. It would suck but we didnt invest multiple firsts into him
3. He can pick his qb here either in 22 or 23. He also has a few vet trade options.
Allen had 10 TDs/12 INTs in his rookie year and only completed 52% of his passes. He couldn't throw the ball into the ocean. And Schoen had a ringside seat to that. But the talent oozed out of Allen. Like it does with Fields.
1. Fields looks like shit
2. They invest multiple picks to fields and we can cut jones tomorrow. It would suck but we didnt invest multiple firsts into him
3. He can pick his qb here either in 22 or 23. He also has a few vet trade options.
Allen had 10 TDs/12 INTs in his rookie year and only completed 52% of his passes. He couldn't throw the ball into the ocean. And Schoen had a ringside seat to that. But the talent oozed out of Allen. Like it does with Fields.
I imagine they'd compare Fields to their scouting reports on Pickett, Corral, and maybe their rough reports on the guys that figure to be available in 2023.
Threw 7 TDs/10 INTs and completed 59% of his passes. And he ran for 420 yards. Allen ran for 600+.
There are some interesting similarities with their rookie years.
Again, I'm assuming Schoen endorsed Allen when the Bills picked up. So it's not unreasonable to think he might see the same features/upside in Fields.
Fields blows. Stop pushing your anti jones agenda dude. We get it he sucks. That being said schoen cannot cut bait with fields as easily. Jones will havw zero effect on gms choosing giants. This is evident based on the names being interviewed. Enough already
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bw just wanted to take yet another pot shot at Jones….
You don't think the QB situation is a critical variable here?
Fields is now the equivalent of a new car that was driven off the lot and has some scratches on it. Still low mileage. Still shiny. But it now has some flaws. He's no longer the same squeaky clean prospect from a year ago and worse, he wasn't drafted by the any of these new GMs, including Schoen.
We aren't talking Peyton Manning 1999 here.
BW - if you weren’t so blinded by your hatred of Jones
you would acknowledge that when a guy is being hired to “totally rebuild an organization”, QB is just a part of personnel. Now if we ar stalking HC, that’s a different story. There’s no guarantee yet Jones will ever play again so try giving it a rest.
RE: BW - if you weren’t so blinded by your hatred of Jones
you would acknowledge that when a guy is being hired to “totally rebuild an organization”, QB is just a part of personnel. Now if we ar stalking HC, that’s a different story. There’s no guarantee yet Jones will ever play again so try giving it a rest.
+10000
This is why i cant take BBI serious. You have people here who push their agenda constantly...its ridiculous
My guess this interview with Schoen was set up very soon after the
Again, I'm assuming Schoen endorsed Allen when the Bills picked up. So it's not unreasonable to think he might see the same features/upside in Fields.
Fields blows. Stop pushing your anti jones agenda dude. We get it he sucks. That being said schoen cannot cut bait with fields as easily. Jones will havw zero effect on gms choosing giants. This is evident based on the names being interviewed. Enough already
Jones will have zero effect on the GM choosing the Giants?
you would acknowledge that when a guy is being hired to “totally rebuild an organization”, QB is just a part of personnel. Now if we ar stalking HC, that’s a different story. There’s no guarantee yet Jones will ever play again so try giving it a rest.
QB is THE piece to rebuilding a winning organization. It's just the simple. Until that problem is solved, you are swimming upstream against the rest of the league who have solved for QB.
Threw 7 TDs/10 INTs and completed 59% of his passes. And he ran for 420 yards. Allen ran for 600+.
There are some interesting similarities with their rookie years.
Again, I'm assuming Schoen endorsed Allen when the Bills picked up. So it's not unreasonable to think he might see the same features/upside in Fields.
Even before he figured out the passing side, Allen was a different kind of animal than Fields with his legs, big time touchdown rushing production in the red zone like Cam, too big and strong.
Bears QB situation: GM is saddled with Justin Fields
I guess there's a chance that one of these GMs LOVED fields last year and didn't fall out of love after one year of watching him struggle. But we might be stretching things a bit if you ask me. I don't think QB on the Bears or Giants really matters at this point, but I guess it's possible...
so we get to conjure up Fields and Allen comparisons after year 1 but damn you to hell if you did this with Daniel Jones!
I'm comparing QB types and their first-year production.
Both Allen and Fields have very similar skill sets and similar struggles their rookie year. This shouldn't be so difficult to follow. So, pulling the "bw hates Jones" card is just lazy.
I guess there's a chance that one of these GMs LOVED fields last year and didn't fall out of love after one year of watching him struggle. But we might be stretching things a bit if you ask me. I don't think QB on the Bears or Giants really matters at this point, but I guess it's possible...
It matters more for the Bears. If a new GM there doesn't like Fields he has to pick a QB immediately after the Bears spent 2 first rounders on Fields
Threw 7 TDs/10 INTs and completed 59% of his passes. And he ran for 420 yards. Allen ran for 600+.
There are some interesting similarities with their rookie years.
Again, I'm assuming Schoen endorsed Allen when the Bills picked up. So it's not unreasonable to think he might see the same features/upside in Fields.
Even before he figured out the passing side, Allen was a different kind of animal than Fields with his legs, big time touchdown rushing production in the red zone like Cam, too big and strong.
That's true. Allen was a big-time goal line threat.
Perhaps he doesn't believe in Fields. If that's the case, Giants would be much more attractive because he can move on from Jones very quickly, ownership in Chicago is not going to let the Bears move on from Fields quickly
He's done here unless Mara mandates him. In that case, just turn your calendars back to 2018.
I mean, how do you even know what a new GM is thinking?
Because the case to the contrary is absurd. Why is an incoming GM going to want to commit to a QB with Jones's resume and a possible neck issue? We just fired the only GM stupid enough to even think about doing that.
Game out the near future. What scenario has Jones here for longer than 2022?
Not so sure. He inherits Fields, he can choose QB here.
Why? He may not like Fields, and may want to draft his own QB
I have lost trust in this organization over the past 5-7 years and I really want to believe that we have a guy who can steward us back to respectibiltiy and beyond.
Please hire Joe!
So, Schoen and Daboll. Lets hit the ground running, rebuild this thing and install a modern freakin offense.
that was 5 days ago..
Me too. He’d be my first choice
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he's going to Chicago.
Not so sure. He inherits Fields, he can choose QB here.
This is just a guess of course but do the math.
Fields has a lot of the same dimensions as Allen. Not quite as big, but a great runner and a big arm.
Fields flashed a lot of skills this year.
Can he take you with him?
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he's going to Chicago.
Why? He may not like Fields, and may want to draft his own QB
bw just wanted to take yet another pot shot at Jones….
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he's going to Chicago.
Why? He may not like Fields, and may want to draft his own QB
And it sounds like he wont have the final call on HC because the bears ownership is handing that separately and the HC wont report to the GM.
Hopefully if Mara is true to his words the GM will have final say of what coach he wants.
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he's going to Chicago.
Why? He may not like Fields, and may want to draft his own QB
And it sounds like he wont have the final call on HC because the bears ownership is handing that separately and the HC wont report to the GM.
Hopefully if Mara is true to his words the GM will have final say of what coach he wants.
Technically Mara would have final say but mostly just a stamp of approval like any other owner would do.
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he's going to Chicago.
Not so sure. He inherits Fields, he can choose QB here.
This is just a guess of course but do the math.
Fields has a lot of the same dimensions as Allen. Not quite as big, but a great runner and a big arm.
Fields flashed a lot of skills this year.
He has none of the dimensions of Allen, none. He is a thin QB, 2 or 3 inches shorter.
bw just wanted to take yet another pot shot at Jones….
You don't think the QB situation is a critical variable here?
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he's going to Chicago.
Why? He may not like Fields, and may want to draft his own QB
And it sounds like he wont have the final call on HC because the bears ownership is handing that separately and the HC wont report to the GM.
Hopefully if Mara is true to his words the GM will have final say of what coach he wants.
Technically Mara would have final say but mostly just a stamp of approval like any other owner would do.
Well yes, every owner has final say because its there money. But it sounds like the GM in our case is going to be able to do his own HC search. The Bears are doing there HC search along with there GM search at the same time and they wont report to each other.
This is just a guess of course but do the math.
Fields has a lot of the same dimensions as Allen. Not quite as big, but a great runner and a big arm.
Fields flashed a lot of skills this year.
He has none of the dimensions of Allen, none. He is a thin QB, 2 or 3 inches shorter.
Fields is 6'3", 230 with a rifle and great speed to improvise.
I said he wasn't the size of Allen, but they do have similar attributes...no?
Stop..this is a dumb take.
1. Fields looks like shit
2. They invest multiple picks to fields and we can cut jones tomorrow. It would suck but we didnt invest multiple firsts into him
3. He can pick his qb here either in 22 or 23. He also has a few vet trade options.
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bw just wanted to take yet another pot shot at Jones….
You don't think the QB situation is a critical variable here?
I’m sure it is a part of it, yes. But IMO, a GM would want to pick their own QB rather than a guy with a lot of warts in Fields.
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he's going to Chicago.
Stop..this is a dumb take.
1. Fields looks like shit
2. They invest multiple picks to fields and we can cut jones tomorrow. It would suck but we didnt invest multiple firsts into him
3. He can pick his qb here either in 22 or 23. He also has a few vet trade options.
Allen had 10 TDs/12 INTs in his rookie year and only completed 52% of his passes. He couldn't throw the ball into the ocean. And Schoen had a ringside seat to that. But the talent oozed out of Allen. Like it does with Fields.
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This is just a guess of course but do the math.
Fields has a lot of the same dimensions as Allen. Not quite as big, but a great runner and a big arm.
Fields flashed a lot of skills this year.
He has none of the dimensions of Allen, none. He is a thin QB, 2 or 3 inches shorter.
Fields is 6'3", 230 with a rifle and great speed to improvise.
I said he wasn't the size of Allen, but they do have similar attributes...no?
Dwayne Haskins has similar attributes to Allen as well - how’d they work out?
Like i said, the GM would want his own guy
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he's going to Chicago.
Stop..this is a dumb take.
1. Fields looks like shit
2. They invest multiple picks to fields and we can cut jones tomorrow. It would suck but we didnt invest multiple firsts into him
3. He can pick his qb here either in 22 or 23. He also has a few vet trade options.
Allen had 10 TDs/12 INTs in his rookie year and only completed 52% of his passes. He couldn't throw the ball into the ocean. And Schoen had a ringside seat to that. But the talent oozed out of Allen. Like it does with Fields.
there's something oozing alright...
There are some interesting similarities with their rookie years.
Again, I'm assuming Schoen endorsed Allen when the Bills picked up. So it's not unreasonable to think he might see the same features/upside in Fields.
There are some interesting similarities with their rookie years.
Again, I'm assuming Schoen endorsed Allen when the Bills picked up. So it's not unreasonable to think he might see the same features/upside in Fields.
Fields blows. Stop pushing your anti jones agenda dude. We get it he sucks. That being said schoen cannot cut bait with fields as easily. Jones will havw zero effect on gms choosing giants. This is evident based on the names being interviewed. Enough already
Fields is 6'3", 230 with a rifle and great speed to improvise.
I said he wasn't the size of Allen, but they do have similar attributes...no?
Dwayne Haskins has similar attributes to Allen as well - how’d they work out?
Like i said, the GM would want his own guy
Haskins did? Haskins has nowhere near the mobility and athleticism as Allen or Fields.
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bw just wanted to take yet another pot shot at Jones….
You don't think the QB situation is a critical variable here?
Fields is now the equivalent of a new car that was driven off the lot and has some scratches on it. Still low mileage. Still shiny. But it now has some flaws. He's no longer the same squeaky clean prospect from a year ago and worse, he wasn't drafted by the any of these new GMs, including Schoen.
We aren't talking Peyton Manning 1999 here.
+10000
This is why i cant take BBI serious. You have people here who push their agenda constantly...its ridiculous
Again, I'm assuming Schoen endorsed Allen when the Bills picked up. So it's not unreasonable to think he might see the same features/upside in Fields.
Fields blows. Stop pushing your anti jones agenda dude. We get it he sucks. That being said schoen cannot cut bait with fields as easily. Jones will havw zero effect on gms choosing giants. This is evident based on the names being interviewed. Enough already
Jones will have zero effect on the GM choosing the Giants?
Did you just write that?
QB is THE piece to rebuilding a winning organization. It's just the simple. Until that problem is solved, you are swimming upstream against the rest of the league who have solved for QB.
There are some interesting similarities with their rookie years.
Again, I'm assuming Schoen endorsed Allen when the Bills picked up. So it's not unreasonable to think he might see the same features/upside in Fields.
Even before he figured out the passing side, Allen was a different kind of animal than Fields with his legs, big time touchdown rushing production in the red zone like Cam, too big and strong.
I guess there's a chance that one of these GMs LOVED fields last year and didn't fall out of love after one year of watching him struggle. But we might be stretching things a bit if you ask me. I don't think QB on the Bears or Giants really matters at this point, but I guess it's possible...
I'm comparing QB types and their first-year production.
Both Allen and Fields have very similar skill sets and similar struggles their rookie year. This shouldn't be so difficult to follow. So, pulling the "bw hates Jones" card is just lazy.
I guess there's a chance that one of these GMs LOVED fields last year and didn't fall out of love after one year of watching him struggle. But we might be stretching things a bit if you ask me. I don't think QB on the Bears or Giants really matters at this point, but I guess it's possible...
It matters more for the Bears. If a new GM there doesn't like Fields he has to pick a QB immediately after the Bears spent 2 first rounders on Fields
I mean, how do you even know what a new GM is thinking?
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Threw 7 TDs/10 INTs and completed 59% of his passes. And he ran for 420 yards. Allen ran for 600+.
There are some interesting similarities with their rookie years.
Again, I'm assuming Schoen endorsed Allen when the Bills picked up. So it's not unreasonable to think he might see the same features/upside in Fields.
Even before he figured out the passing side, Allen was a different kind of animal than Fields with his legs, big time touchdown rushing production in the red zone like Cam, too big and strong.
That's true. Allen was a big-time goal line threat.
Perhaps he doesn't believe in Fields. If that's the case, Giants would be much more attractive because he can move on from Jones very quickly, ownership in Chicago is not going to let the Bears move on from Fields quickly
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He's done here unless Mara mandates him. In that case, just turn your calendars back to 2018.
I mean, how do you even know what a new GM is thinking?
Because the case to the contrary is absurd. Why is an incoming GM going to want to commit to a QB with Jones's resume and a possible neck issue? We just fired the only GM stupid enough to even think about doing that.
Game out the near future. What scenario has Jones here for longer than 2022?