Again, I'm assuming Schoen endorsed Allen when the Bills picked up. So it's not unreasonable to think he might see the same features/upside in Fields.
Fields blows. Stop pushing your anti jones agenda dude. We get it he sucks. That being said schoen cannot cut bait with fields as easily. Jones will havw zero effect on gms choosing giants. This is evident based on the names being interviewed. Enough already
Jones will have zero effect on the GM choosing the Giants?
Did you just write that?
yes, i did. the new GM can cut ties with him right away...its a blank canvas...in chicago he is STUCK with fields....pretty simple concept.
youre hatred for jones is affecting every post you make at this point
so we get to conjure up Fields and Allen comparisons after year 1 but damn you to hell if you did this with Daniel Jones!
I'm comparing QB types and their first-year production.
Both Allen and Fields have very similar skill sets and similar struggles their rookie year. This shouldn't be so difficult to follow. So, pulling the "bw hates Jones" card is just lazy.
It’s not lazy, it’s true.
You liked fields coming out of college, so you took this opportunity to bash jones one more time while simultaneously trying to pump your own guy
Again, I'm assuming Schoen endorsed Allen when the Bills picked up. So it's not unreasonable to think he might see the same features/upside in Fields.
Fields blows. Stop pushing your anti jones agenda dude. We get it he sucks. That being said schoen cannot cut bait with fields as easily. Jones will havw zero effect on gms choosing giants. This is evident based on the names being interviewed. Enough already
Jones will have zero effect on the GM choosing the Giants?
Did you just write that?
yes, i did. the new GM can cut ties with him right away...its a blank canvas...in chicago he is STUCK with fields....pretty simple concept.
youre hatred for jones is affecting every post you make at this point
If the tie-breaker is Offensive talent he is going to Chicago and that's pretty sad when you look at the Bears offense yet they have a lot more on O than the Giants do! It is a lot more than just the QB!
He's done here unless Mara mandates him. In that case, just turn your calendars back to 2018.
I mean, how do you even know what a new GM is thinking?
Because the case to the contrary is absurd. Why is an incoming GM going to want to commit to a QB with Jones's resume and a possible neck issue? We just fired the only GM stupid enough to even think about doing that.
Game out the near future. What scenario has Jones here for longer than 2022?
Who's committing to Jones?
He could be on the roster for just 2022.
That's a commitment?
The issue I have w/ you is if Jones sniffs any part of Met Life this coming season you're going to blame Mara.
He's done here unless Mara mandates him. In that case, just turn your calendars back to 2018.
I mean, how do you even know what a new GM is thinking?
Because the case to the contrary is absurd. Why is an incoming GM going to want to commit to a QB with Jones's resume and a possible neck issue? We just fired the only GM stupid enough to even think about doing that.
Game out the near future. What scenario has Jones here for longer than 2022?
What about him playing well next year? Could that have an affect?
Based on the little I've read of these guys, he'd be my 1st choice, and if he brings Daboll over, so much the better.
Apparently he crushed his first interview. But I think most of these guys would be good choices.
If I'm Schoen, I'd rather be in NY over Chicago for the better WEATHER alone. I think half the reason Brady went south was he was sick of Boston winters. (Wouldn't surprise me).
Jones will have zero effect on the GM choosing the Giants?
Did you just write that?
yes, i did. the new GM can cut ties with him right away...its a blank canvas...in chicago he is STUCK with fields....pretty simple concept.
youre hatred for jones is affecting every post you make at this point
Schoen wouldn't be stuck with Fields if he liked him. If he didn't like him, he might be able to find a trading partner, like Keim did with Rosen. A good GM can get very imaginative trying to solve for the QB.
He's done here unless Mara mandates him. In that case, just turn your calendars back to 2018.
I mean, how do you even know what a new GM is thinking?
Because the case to the contrary is absurd. Why is an incoming GM going to want to commit to a QB with Jones's resume and a possible neck issue? We just fired the only GM stupid enough to even think about doing that.
Game out the near future. What scenario has Jones here for longer than 2022?
Who's committing to Jones?
He could be on the roster for just 2022.
That's a commitment?
The issue I have w/ you is if Jones sniffs any part of Met Life this coming season you're going to blame Mara.
I'll blame Mara if Jones is on the team beyond 2022. I can see him being a cheap placeholder in 2022, which is not something I would do but it's a possible first step in a complete rebuild.
Jones shouldn't be here in 2022, but he can not be here in 2023. That's a five alarm fire.
Why? He may not like Fields, and may want to draft his own QB
bw just wanted to take yet another pot shot at Jones….
I don't think it's taking a shot at Jones, who is not likely to be on the team for long when a new GM takes over and therefore probably isn't part of the equation.
He's done here unless Mara mandates him. In that case, just turn your calendars back to 2018.
I mean, how do you even know what a new GM is thinking?
Because the case to the contrary is absurd. Why is an incoming GM going to want to commit to a QB with Jones's resume and a possible neck issue? We just fired the only GM stupid enough to even think about doing that.
Game out the near future. What scenario has Jones here for longer than 2022?
Who's committing to Jones?
He could be on the roster for just 2022.
That's a commitment?
The issue I have w/ you is if Jones sniffs any part of Met Life this coming season you're going to blame Mara.
I'll blame Mara if Jones is on the team beyond 2022. I can see him being a cheap placeholder in 2022, which is not something I would do but it's a possible first step in a complete rebuild.
Jones shouldn't be here in 2022, but he can not be here in 2023. That's a five alarm fire.
OK then, you said he was "done here". I thought that mean new regime, DJ is outta here pronto.
Fields is not considered to be garbage outside of the BBI bubble. He has shown enough for many observers to still think he has a shot to be an elite QB.
If Schoen shares that opinion, then objectively, the Chicago job is better, in reference to the pieces on the field.
He still might choose the Giants for other reasons, no doubt.
But if he likes Fields, he will believe the Bears have a shot at a star QB in-house, and the Giants do not. That's a big advantage, and certainly trumps on extra top-10 pick.
+2. I'm fine with Schoen, but would prefer Hortiz.
Schoen would really have to love Fields to decide that the Bears have a better QB situation. As others have said, Jones is here for one more year maximum, and then the new GM can pick his own QB. He might even be able to do so this year.
We also have two top 10 picks and double picks in the third and fifth rounds.
would also add that it is way too premature to come to any conclusion about Fields. Most rookie QBs struggle, especially if they are playing for a bad team like the Bears. Got to give him at least one more year.
I can't understand fans that say they are desperate for an overhaul
Fields was 2-8 as a starter 7 TDs and 10 Int with a 26 QBR. DJ has performed much better than that in every year of his career. You think its obvious Fields is a franchise QB?
Fields is not considered to be garbage outside of the BBI bubble. He has shown enough for many observers to still think he has a shot to be an elite QB.
If Schoen shares that opinion, then objectively, the Chicago job is better, in reference to the pieces on the field.
He still might choose the Giants for other reasons, no doubt.
But if he likes Fields, he will believe the Bears have a shot at a star QB in-house, and the Giants do not. That's a big advantage, and certainly trumps on extra top-10 pick.
When you say observers, are you referring to NFL analysts? I haven't seen anyone really tout Fields as being potentially elite.
And I don't dislike Fields, I just really haven't heard that.
Fields was 2-8 as a starter 7 TDs and 10 Int with a 26 QBR. DJ has performed much better than that in every year of his career. You think its obvious Fields is a franchise QB?
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he's going to Chicago.
Whether Fields can put it all together and become a franchise QB is obviously a very difficult question for anyone to answer.
But there is a much bigger skill set and higher ceiling than Jones.
RE: I can't understand fans that say they are desperate for an overhaul
Not so sure. He inherits Fields, he can choose QB here.
This is just a guess of course but do the math.
Fields has a lot of the same dimensions as Allen. Not quite as big, but a great runner and a big arm.
Fields flashed a lot of skills this year.
The math is inconclusive because there are more variables than equations, ergo you can't solve for shit. Why are you using a thread about Schoen to take a shot at Daniel Jones when you openly admit you have no idea what you're talking about? It's just sad and childish on your part and adds nothing of value to the discussion.
p.s.--If pizza is a tie-breaker than Schoen will choose the Giants because I like thin crust pizza better than deep dish pizza and so I can only assume that Schoen prefers thin crust to deep dish as well.
I think Jones should be on the roster in '22, assuming
he's healthy. So, if the Giants keep him, everyone can just blame me. As far as '23, that will depend on how next year goes. I certainly don't sign a 5th year option without seeing him play another year.
RE: RE: why are you guys pissing on bw for simply saying what is logical
When you say observers, are you referring to NFL analysts? I haven't seen anyone really tout Fields as being potentially elite.
And I don't dislike Fields, I just really haven't heard that.
Collinsworth mentioned Fields the other night on the Bengals-Raiders broadcast. They were talking about the Bears opening and what an electric and special talent Fields is.
Normally this would be good news, but didn't we hear similar reports about Joe Judge two years ago.
I guess part of me would wants some kind of "independent, real football guys" in the room with John Mara and Steve Tisch that: 1) Isn't a family member, 2) Isn't way beyond his expiration date (see Accorsi in 2018; Polian this year) or 3) doesn't have strong ties to the organization.
I don't know who that would be, but I'm scared about "crushing an interview" relative to what Mara and Tisch think.
Fields has a lot of the same dimensions as Allen. Not quite as big, but a great runner and a big arm.
Fields flashed a lot of skills this year.
The math is inconclusive because there are more variables than equations, ergo you can't solve for shit. Why are you using a thread about Schoen to take a shot at Daniel Jones when you openly admit you have no idea what you're talking about? It's just sad and childish on your part and adds nothing of value to the discussion.
p.s.--If pizza is a tie-breaker than Schoen will choose the Giants because I like thin crust pizza better than deep dish pizza and so I can only assume that Schoen prefers thin crust to deep dish as well.
Whatever you say, Milton.
It all seems clear to me - a person seeking a GM position would want to go to the place that has the best opportunity at QB.
And, IMV, it's a helluva lot easier to be sold on Fields than Jones. We have three years of data on Jones. It's average at best. We have one year on Fields.
Fields has a lot of the same dimensions as Allen. Not quite as big, but a great runner and a big arm.
Fields flashed a lot of skills this year.
The math is inconclusive because there are more variables than equations, ergo you can't solve for shit. Why are you using a thread about Schoen to take a shot at Daniel Jones when you openly admit you have no idea what you're talking about? It's just sad and childish on your part and adds nothing of value to the discussion.
p.s.--If pizza is a tie-breaker than Schoen will choose the Giants because I like thin crust pizza better than deep dish pizza and so I can only assume that Schoen prefers thin crust to deep dish as well.
Whatever you say, Milton.
It all seems clear to me - a person seeking a GM position would want to go to the place that has the best opportunity at QB.
And, IMV, it's a helluva lot easier to be sold on Fields than Jones. We have three years of data on Jones. It's average at best. We have one year on Fields.
The best opportunity at QB for a GM is to pick your own QB unless there's an established franchise guy in place like Rodgers, Brady, Russell Wilson, etc.
It all seems clear to me - a person seeking a GM position would want to go to the place that has the best opportunity at QB.
And, IMV, it's a helluva lot easier to be sold on Fields than Jones. We have three years of data on Jones. It's average at best. We have one year on Fields.
The best opportunity at QB for a GM is to pick your own QB unless there's an established franchise guy in place like Rodgers, Brady, Russell Wilson, etc.
Or, if you like the assets available, trade for an established QB.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: If the tie-breaker is QB...
It all seems clear to me - a person seeking a GM position would want to go to the place that has the best opportunity at QB.
And, IMV, it's a helluva lot easier to be sold on Fields than Jones. We have three years of data on Jones. It's average at best. We have one year on Fields.
The best opportunity at QB for a GM is to pick your own QB unless there's an established franchise guy in place like Rodgers, Brady, Russell Wilson, etc.
Or, if you like the assets available, trade for an established QB.
If Schoen goes to Chicago and doesn't want Fields he has to trade him. That's much harder to do than just picking a QB unless an established QB wants to play there
Or, if you like the assets available, trade for an established QB.
If Schoen goes to Chicago and doesn't want Fields he has to trade him. That's much harder to do than just picking a QB unless an established QB wants to play there
Both situations are risky.
There is obviously zero guarantee on a QB you draft (highest risk). On the other end, you have to hope there is a good market of established QBs - proven assets - and you have enough assets to get fair value (less risk, IMV).
Oh, please. Have you ever been looking for a job and had multiple offers? If so, how did you manage that if you liked
each opportunity?
If there is a chance Schoen gets offers from Chicago and NY, and he likes both, what do you think his decision process should be?
Both are storied franchises. Both are big cities. Both have shaky ownership right now.
How do you break that tie without considering QB the most?
Once again, QB decision is much more straightforward in NY than Chicago, because he can move away from Jones a lot easier and pick his own QB. In Chicago he goes to a situation where he didn't pick the QB
But this isn't like interviewing coaches where we get to see their work to an extent on TV even if they're coordinators. I'm flying blind here. I couldn't pick any of the guys the Giants have interviewed for the GM spot out of a line up a month ago and most of them I hadn't even heard of.
The list seems wide, cutting edge and young. Which is what I hoped for. Now I hope they choose a great GM from it.
IMO Daniel Jones will remain a polarizing player for as long as he's on the Giants roster. Mark me down as someone who will be surprised if he's let go before the 2022 season. Hopefully if he's still on the team when training camp starts there is competition for the QB spot and no designated starter. Also mark me down as someone who has seen enough to believe Daniel Jones will never be a top 10 QB in the NFL. Also mark me down as someone who believes the Giants aren't going to win their next Super Bowl until their QB is in that discussion.
I saw a lot of Josh Allen's rookie year. His nickname should have been wild thing. Whoever the coach is that worked with him to hone in his accuracy - something that almost never happens at the NFL level, you show up and you either are accurate or you are not - is someone to keep an eye as future big time head coach or OC. That's a QB whisperer.
As far as Field's on the Bears goes. I saw nothing from him that made me think he would be a top 10 QB either. But he is really green, maybe an excellent QB coach or OC can play to his strengths.
A lot of us are disappointed the Giants didn't draft Slater or Parsons. I haven't noticed a single post that said they should have kept the pick and drafted Fields, even from the people who really want to see Jones replaced like me.
Maybe down the road if Fields develops into a top 10 QB I'll be proven wrong. But it took me about 3 games to wish the Giants had drafted Herbert instead of Andrew Thomas and I think Andrew Thomas is the best player on the Giants roster. Herbert had star elite QB written on him as soon as he got on the field. The Giants should have drafted him and dumped Jones after his rookie year. That was probably his peak value.
It all seems clear to me - a person seeking a GM position would want to go to the place that has the best opportunity at QB.
So if Schoen chooses the Giants over the Bears will you assume it's because he prefers Jones to Fields or will you pivot to the myriad of other factors that go into making such an important career decision?
Fields is not considered to be garbage outside of the BBI bubble. He has shown enough for many observers to still think he has a shot to be an elite QB.
If Schoen shares that opinion, then objectively, the Chicago job is better, in reference to the pieces on the field.
He still might choose the Giants for other reasons, no doubt.
But if he likes Fields, he will believe the Bears have a shot at a star QB in-house, and the Giants do not. That's a big advantage, and certainly trumps on extra top-10 pick.
When you say observers, are you referring to NFL analysts? I haven't seen anyone really tout Fields as being potentially elite.
And I don't dislike Fields, I just really haven't heard that.
I have heard it.
What is clear is that Jones is almost a zilch, in terms of material that would make this an attractive destination.
Fields is not a zilch. How Schoen grades Fields may very well decide which job he chooses, if he is offered both.
A lot of people were critical of Nagy for failing to scheme for Fields' unique talents. And in the last few games Fields played he showed some real promise with an electric arm and running ability.
What has Fields done to warrant your praise?
Perhaps refer me to a game so that I can see what you see
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He's done here unless Mara mandates him. In that case, just turn your calendars back to 2018.
I mean, how do you even know what a new GM is thinking?
because terps is a boorish know it all.
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Again, I'm assuming Schoen endorsed Allen when the Bills picked up. So it's not unreasonable to think he might see the same features/upside in Fields.
Fields blows. Stop pushing your anti jones agenda dude. We get it he sucks. That being said schoen cannot cut bait with fields as easily. Jones will havw zero effect on gms choosing giants. This is evident based on the names being interviewed. Enough already
Jones will have zero effect on the GM choosing the Giants?
Did you just write that?
yes, i did. the new GM can cut ties with him right away...its a blank canvas...in chicago he is STUCK with fields....pretty simple concept.
youre hatred for jones is affecting every post you make at this point
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He's done here unless Mara mandates him. In that case, just turn your calendars back to 2018.
I mean, how do you even know what a new GM is thinking?
because terps is a boorish know it all.
🤷🏻♂️
Well if you look back the past couple years...
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he's going to Chicago.
Can he take you with him?
Hahaha. Perfect
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so we get to conjure up Fields and Allen comparisons after year 1 but damn you to hell if you did this with Daniel Jones!
I'm comparing QB types and their first-year production.
Both Allen and Fields have very similar skill sets and similar struggles their rookie year. This shouldn't be so difficult to follow. So, pulling the "bw hates Jones" card is just lazy.
It’s not lazy, it’s true.
You liked fields coming out of college, so you took this opportunity to bash jones one more time while simultaneously trying to pump your own guy
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Again, I'm assuming Schoen endorsed Allen when the Bills picked up. So it's not unreasonable to think he might see the same features/upside in Fields.
Fields blows. Stop pushing your anti jones agenda dude. We get it he sucks. That being said schoen cannot cut bait with fields as easily. Jones will havw zero effect on gms choosing giants. This is evident based on the names being interviewed. Enough already
Jones will have zero effect on the GM choosing the Giants?
Did you just write that?
yes, i did. the new GM can cut ties with him right away...its a blank canvas...in chicago he is STUCK with fields....pretty simple concept.
youre hatred for jones is affecting every post you make at this point
Pretty much agree on all points here..........
If the tie-breaker is Offensive talent he is going to Chicago and that's pretty sad when you look at the Bears offense yet they have a lot more on O than the Giants do! It is a lot more than just the QB!
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He's done here unless Mara mandates him. In that case, just turn your calendars back to 2018.
I mean, how do you even know what a new GM is thinking?
Because the case to the contrary is absurd. Why is an incoming GM going to want to commit to a QB with Jones's resume and a possible neck issue? We just fired the only GM stupid enough to even think about doing that.
Game out the near future. What scenario has Jones here for longer than 2022?
Who's committing to Jones?
He could be on the roster for just 2022.
That's a commitment?
The issue I have w/ you is if Jones sniffs any part of Met Life this coming season you're going to blame Mara.
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He's done here unless Mara mandates him. In that case, just turn your calendars back to 2018.
I mean, how do you even know what a new GM is thinking?
Because the case to the contrary is absurd. Why is an incoming GM going to want to commit to a QB with Jones's resume and a possible neck issue? We just fired the only GM stupid enough to even think about doing that.
Game out the near future. What scenario has Jones here for longer than 2022?
What about him playing well next year? Could that have an affect?
Apparently he crushed his first interview. But I think most of these guys would be good choices.
If I'm Schoen, I'd rather be in NY over Chicago for the better WEATHER alone. I think half the reason Brady went south was he was sick of Boston winters. (Wouldn't surprise me).
What has Fields done to warrant your praise?
Perhaps refer me to a game so that I can see what you see
Go look at Fields's games against the 9ers and Pittsburgh.
Fields showed his arm talent and his great ability to scramble.
He's far from a finished product, but there were more than enough flashes - for me.
Jones will have zero effect on the GM choosing the Giants?
Did you just write that?
yes, i did. the new GM can cut ties with him right away...its a blank canvas...in chicago he is STUCK with fields....pretty simple concept.
youre hatred for jones is affecting every post you make at this point
Schoen wouldn't be stuck with Fields if he liked him. If he didn't like him, he might be able to find a trading partner, like Keim did with Rosen. A good GM can get very imaginative trying to solve for the QB.
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He's done here unless Mara mandates him. In that case, just turn your calendars back to 2018.
I mean, how do you even know what a new GM is thinking?
Because the case to the contrary is absurd. Why is an incoming GM going to want to commit to a QB with Jones's resume and a possible neck issue? We just fired the only GM stupid enough to even think about doing that.
Game out the near future. What scenario has Jones here for longer than 2022?
Who's committing to Jones?
He could be on the roster for just 2022.
That's a commitment?
The issue I have w/ you is if Jones sniffs any part of Met Life this coming season you're going to blame Mara.
I'll blame Mara if Jones is on the team beyond 2022. I can see him being a cheap placeholder in 2022, which is not something I would do but it's a possible first step in a complete rebuild.
Jones shouldn't be here in 2022, but he can not be here in 2023. That's a five alarm fire.
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he's going to Chicago.
Why? He may not like Fields, and may want to draft his own QB
bw just wanted to take yet another pot shot at Jones….
I don't think it's taking a shot at Jones, who is not likely to be on the team for long when a new GM takes over and therefore probably isn't part of the equation.
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He's done here unless Mara mandates him. In that case, just turn your calendars back to 2018.
I mean, how do you even know what a new GM is thinking?
Because the case to the contrary is absurd. Why is an incoming GM going to want to commit to a QB with Jones's resume and a possible neck issue? We just fired the only GM stupid enough to even think about doing that.
Game out the near future. What scenario has Jones here for longer than 2022?
Who's committing to Jones?
He could be on the roster for just 2022.
That's a commitment?
The issue I have w/ you is if Jones sniffs any part of Met Life this coming season you're going to blame Mara.
I'll blame Mara if Jones is on the team beyond 2022. I can see him being a cheap placeholder in 2022, which is not something I would do but it's a possible first step in a complete rebuild.
Jones shouldn't be here in 2022, but he can not be here in 2023. That's a five alarm fire.
OK then, you said he was "done here". I thought that mean new regime, DJ is outta here pronto.
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So you have seen enough of Fields to believe that he can be a good QB?
What has Fields done to warrant your praise?
Perhaps refer me to a game so that I can see what you see
Go look at Fields's games against the 9ers and Pittsburgh.
Fields showed his arm talent and his great ability to scramble.
He's far from a finished product, but there were more than enough flashes - for me.
Daniel Jones had a couple games his rookie year where he flashed and it hasn't worked out. I dont see it with Fields as a big time NFL QB.
Fields is not considered to be garbage outside of the BBI bubble. He has shown enough for many observers to still think he has a shot to be an elite QB.
If Schoen shares that opinion, then objectively, the Chicago job is better, in reference to the pieces on the field.
He still might choose the Giants for other reasons, no doubt.
But if he likes Fields, he will believe the Bears have a shot at a star QB in-house, and the Giants do not. That's a big advantage, and certainly trumps on extra top-10 pick.
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Joe Hortiz a second interview
Me too. He’d be my first choice
+2. I'm fine with Schoen, but would prefer Hortiz.
Schoen would really have to love Fields to decide that the Bears have a better QB situation. As others have said, Jones is here for one more year maximum, and then the new GM can pick his own QB. He might even be able to do so this year.
We also have two top 10 picks and double picks in the third and fifth rounds.
Your tweet is from Jan. 13. The link on this thread is from today. Things could have changed
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Fields is not considered to be garbage outside of the BBI bubble. He has shown enough for many observers to still think he has a shot to be an elite QB.
If Schoen shares that opinion, then objectively, the Chicago job is better, in reference to the pieces on the field.
He still might choose the Giants for other reasons, no doubt.
But if he likes Fields, he will believe the Bears have a shot at a star QB in-house, and the Giants do not. That's a big advantage, and certainly trumps on extra top-10 pick.
When you say observers, are you referring to NFL analysts? I haven't seen anyone really tout Fields as being potentially elite.
And I don't dislike Fields, I just really haven't heard that.
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he's going to Chicago.
Whether Fields can put it all together and become a franchise QB is obviously a very difficult question for anyone to answer.
But there is a much bigger skill set and higher ceiling than Jones.
+1
It really is insane.
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he's going to Chicago.
Not so sure. He inherits Fields, he can choose QB here.
This is just a guess of course but do the math.
Fields has a lot of the same dimensions as Allen. Not quite as big, but a great runner and a big arm.
Fields flashed a lot of skills this year.
p.s.--If pizza is a tie-breaker than Schoen will choose the Giants because I like thin crust pizza better than deep dish pizza and so I can only assume that Schoen prefers thin crust to deep dish as well.
When you say observers, are you referring to NFL analysts? I haven't seen anyone really tout Fields as being potentially elite.
And I don't dislike Fields, I just really haven't heard that.
Collinsworth mentioned Fields the other night on the Bengals-Raiders broadcast. They were talking about the Bears opening and what an electric and special talent Fields is.
I guess part of me would wants some kind of "independent, real football guys" in the room with John Mara and Steve Tisch that: 1) Isn't a family member, 2) Isn't way beyond his expiration date (see Accorsi in 2018; Polian this year) or 3) doesn't have strong ties to the organization.
I don't know who that would be, but I'm scared about "crushing an interview" relative to what Mara and Tisch think.
This is just a guess of course but do the math.
Fields has a lot of the same dimensions as Allen. Not quite as big, but a great runner and a big arm.
Fields flashed a lot of skills this year.
The math is inconclusive because there are more variables than equations, ergo you can't solve for shit. Why are you using a thread about Schoen to take a shot at Daniel Jones when you openly admit you have no idea what you're talking about? It's just sad and childish on your part and adds nothing of value to the discussion.
p.s.--If pizza is a tie-breaker than Schoen will choose the Giants because I like thin crust pizza better than deep dish pizza and so I can only assume that Schoen prefers thin crust to deep dish as well.
Whatever you say, Milton.
It all seems clear to me - a person seeking a GM position would want to go to the place that has the best opportunity at QB.
And, IMV, it's a helluva lot easier to be sold on Fields than Jones. We have three years of data on Jones. It's average at best. We have one year on Fields.
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This is just a guess of course but do the math.
Fields has a lot of the same dimensions as Allen. Not quite as big, but a great runner and a big arm.
Fields flashed a lot of skills this year.
The math is inconclusive because there are more variables than equations, ergo you can't solve for shit. Why are you using a thread about Schoen to take a shot at Daniel Jones when you openly admit you have no idea what you're talking about? It's just sad and childish on your part and adds nothing of value to the discussion.
p.s.--If pizza is a tie-breaker than Schoen will choose the Giants because I like thin crust pizza better than deep dish pizza and so I can only assume that Schoen prefers thin crust to deep dish as well.
Whatever you say, Milton.
It all seems clear to me - a person seeking a GM position would want to go to the place that has the best opportunity at QB.
And, IMV, it's a helluva lot easier to be sold on Fields than Jones. We have three years of data on Jones. It's average at best. We have one year on Fields.
The best opportunity at QB for a GM is to pick your own QB unless there's an established franchise guy in place like Rodgers, Brady, Russell Wilson, etc.
For the love of God give it a break for once.
Whatever you say, Milton.
It all seems clear to me - a person seeking a GM position would want to go to the place that has the best opportunity at QB.
And, IMV, it's a helluva lot easier to be sold on Fields than Jones. We have three years of data on Jones. It's average at best. We have one year on Fields.
The best opportunity at QB for a GM is to pick your own QB unless there's an established franchise guy in place like Rodgers, Brady, Russell Wilson, etc.
Or, if you like the assets available, trade for an established QB.
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Whatever you say, Milton.
It all seems clear to me - a person seeking a GM position would want to go to the place that has the best opportunity at QB.
And, IMV, it's a helluva lot easier to be sold on Fields than Jones. We have three years of data on Jones. It's average at best. We have one year on Fields.
The best opportunity at QB for a GM is to pick your own QB unless there's an established franchise guy in place like Rodgers, Brady, Russell Wilson, etc.
Or, if you like the assets available, trade for an established QB.
If Schoen goes to Chicago and doesn't want Fields he has to trade him. That's much harder to do than just picking a QB unless an established QB wants to play there
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he's going to Chicago.
Not so sure. He inherits Fields, he can choose QB here.
This is just a guess of course but do the math.
Fields has a lot of the same dimensions as Allen. Not quite as big, but a great runner and a big arm.
Fields flashed a lot of skills this year.
He has none of the dimensions of Allen, none. He is a thin QB, 2 or 3 inches shorter.
Justin Fields is thin? Come on. He's 230 lbs!
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he's going to Chicago.
For the love of God give it a break for once.
Oh, please. Have you ever been looking for a job and had multiple offers? If so, how did you manage that if you liked
each opportunity?
If there is a chance Schoen gets offers from Chicago and NY, and he likes both, what do you think his decision process should be?
Both are storied franchises. Both are big cities. Both have shaky ownership right now.
How do you break that tie without considering QB the most?
Or, if you like the assets available, trade for an established QB.
If Schoen goes to Chicago and doesn't want Fields he has to trade him. That's much harder to do than just picking a QB unless an established QB wants to play there
Both situations are risky.
There is obviously zero guarantee on a QB you draft (highest risk). On the other end, you have to hope there is a good market of established QBs - proven assets - and you have enough assets to get fair value (less risk, IMV).
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he's going to Chicago.
For the love of God give it a break for once.
Oh, please. Have you ever been looking for a job and had multiple offers? If so, how did you manage that if you liked
each opportunity?
If there is a chance Schoen gets offers from Chicago and NY, and he likes both, what do you think his decision process should be?
Both are storied franchises. Both are big cities. Both have shaky ownership right now.
How do you break that tie without considering QB the most?
Once again, QB decision is much more straightforward in NY than Chicago, because he can move away from Jones a lot easier and pick his own QB. In Chicago he goes to a situation where he didn't pick the QB
who are significant steps above the lowly Giants.
The list seems wide, cutting edge and young. Which is what I hoped for. Now I hope they choose a great GM from it.
IMO Daniel Jones will remain a polarizing player for as long as he's on the Giants roster. Mark me down as someone who will be surprised if he's let go before the 2022 season. Hopefully if he's still on the team when training camp starts there is competition for the QB spot and no designated starter. Also mark me down as someone who has seen enough to believe Daniel Jones will never be a top 10 QB in the NFL. Also mark me down as someone who believes the Giants aren't going to win their next Super Bowl until their QB is in that discussion.
I saw a lot of Josh Allen's rookie year. His nickname should have been wild thing. Whoever the coach is that worked with him to hone in his accuracy - something that almost never happens at the NFL level, you show up and you either are accurate or you are not - is someone to keep an eye as future big time head coach or OC. That's a QB whisperer.
As far as Field's on the Bears goes. I saw nothing from him that made me think he would be a top 10 QB either. But he is really green, maybe an excellent QB coach or OC can play to his strengths.
A lot of us are disappointed the Giants didn't draft Slater or Parsons. I haven't noticed a single post that said they should have kept the pick and drafted Fields, even from the people who really want to see Jones replaced like me.
Maybe down the road if Fields develops into a top 10 QB I'll be proven wrong. But it took me about 3 games to wish the Giants had drafted Herbert instead of Andrew Thomas and I think Andrew Thomas is the best player on the Giants roster. Herbert had star elite QB written on him as soon as he got on the field. The Giants should have drafted him and dumped Jones after his rookie year. That was probably his peak value.
Some of your takes border on parody at this point.
It all seems clear to me - a person seeking a GM position would want to go to the place that has the best opportunity at QB.
Correction - Field has really good skills. Those skills have not coalesced yet into a really good QB.
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and absolutely true.
Fields is not considered to be garbage outside of the BBI bubble. He has shown enough for many observers to still think he has a shot to be an elite QB.
If Schoen shares that opinion, then objectively, the Chicago job is better, in reference to the pieces on the field.
He still might choose the Giants for other reasons, no doubt.
But if he likes Fields, he will believe the Bears have a shot at a star QB in-house, and the Giants do not. That's a big advantage, and certainly trumps on extra top-10 pick.
When you say observers, are you referring to NFL analysts? I haven't seen anyone really tout Fields as being potentially elite.
And I don't dislike Fields, I just really haven't heard that.
I have heard it.
What is clear is that Jones is almost a zilch, in terms of material that would make this an attractive destination.
Fields is not a zilch. How Schoen grades Fields may very well decide which job he chooses, if he is offered both.
A lot of people were critical of Nagy for failing to scheme for Fields' unique talents. And in the last few games Fields played he showed some real promise with an electric arm and running ability.