It all seems clear to me - a person seeking a GM position would want to go to the place that has the best opportunity at QB.
So if Schoen chooses the Giants over the Bears will you assume it's because he prefers Jones to Fields or will you pivot to the myriad of other factors that go into making such an important career decision?
I'll assume he likes the opportunity with QB in NY better than Chicago.
If that would be based on Jones being considered > than Fields, or the ability to find a solution better than Jones easier, I obviously don't know.
Fields is a talented guy with a wide range of potential outcomes.
Jones is not a factor here. He is established as a non-entity. He may stick around as part of a wasted year in 22 but he is part of no future plans. Jones is an inconsequential NFL player. He will make many millions of dollars standing on the sidelines in the future. But he is not even a remote consideration for any kind of long term build
He's done here unless Mara mandates him. In that case, just turn your calendars back to 2018.
I mean, how do you even know what a new GM is thinking?
Because the case to the contrary is absurd. Why is an incoming GM going to want to commit to a QB with Jones's resume and a possible neck issue? We just fired the only GM stupid enough to even think about doing that.
Game out the near future. What scenario has Jones here for longer than 2022?
Who's committing to Jones?
He could be on the roster for just 2022.
That's a commitment?
The issue I have w/ you is if Jones sniffs any part of Met Life this coming season you're going to blame Mara.
I'll blame Mara if Jones is on the team beyond 2022. I can see him being a cheap placeholder in 2022, which is not something I would do but it's a possible first step in a complete rebuild.
Jones shouldn't be here in 2022, but he can not be here in 2023. That's a five alarm fire.
A new GM and coach decide to keep Jones in 2023, and you blame Mara?
Wow.
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It all seems clear to me - a person seeking a GM position would want to go to the place that has the best opportunity at QB.
So if Schoen chooses the Giants over the Bears will you assume it's because he prefers Jones to Fields or will you pivot to the myriad of other factors that go into making such an important career decision?
I'll assume he likes the opportunity with QB in NY better than Chicago.
If that would be based on Jones being considered > than Fields, or the ability to find a solution better than Jones easier, I obviously don't know.
Two top 10 picks in NY vs no 1st round picks in Chicago is also a factor
He's done here unless Mara mandates him. In that case, just turn your calendars back to 2018.
We all need to stop speaking in absolutes BUT, Mara aklready said the QB is the Gm and HC's decision. That seems like something that has been established with candidates already.
We can stop the overkill though- like saying get Roman here and bring over Huntley. There whole offense is built around the QB running and has been stopped in the playoffs (with Jackson).. Huntley is a great backup for Jackson but building an offense around him would expose his massive flaws.
He's done here unless Mara mandates him. In that case, just turn your calendars back to 2018.
I mean, how do you even know what a new GM is thinking?
Because the case to the contrary is absurd. Why is an incoming GM going to want to commit to a QB with Jones's resume and a possible neck issue? We just fired the only GM stupid enough to even think about doing that.
Game out the near future. What scenario has Jones here for longer than 2022?
Who's committing to Jones?
He could be on the roster for just 2022.
That's a commitment?
The issue I have w/ you is if Jones sniffs any part of Met Life this coming season you're going to blame Mara.
I'll blame Mara if Jones is on the team beyond 2022. I can see him being a cheap placeholder in 2022, which is not something I would do but it's a possible first step in a complete rebuild.
Jones shouldn't be here in 2022, but he can not be here in 2023. That's a five alarm fire.
A new GM and coach decide to keep Jones in 2023, and you blame Mara?
Wow.
Is there a GM and coach on earth stupid enough to pay Jones another contract to play for the Giants? Outside of Gettleman, I doubt it.
He's done here unless Mara mandates him. In that case, just turn your calendars back to 2018.
I mean, how do you even know what a new GM is thinking?
Because the case to the contrary is absurd. Why is an incoming GM going to want to commit to a QB with Jones's resume and a possible neck issue? We just fired the only GM stupid enough to even think about doing that.
Game out the near future. What scenario has Jones here for longer than 2022?
Who's committing to Jones?
He could be on the roster for just 2022.
That's a commitment?
The issue I have w/ you is if Jones sniffs any part of Met Life this coming season you're going to blame Mara.
I'll blame Mara if Jones is on the team beyond 2022. I can see him being a cheap placeholder in 2022, which is not something I would do but it's a possible first step in a complete rebuild.
Jones shouldn't be here in 2022, but he can not be here in 2023. That's a five alarm fire.
A new GM and coach decide to keep Jones in 2023, and you blame Mara?
Wow.
Is there a GM and coach on earth stupid enough to pay Jones another contract to play for the Giants? Outside of Gettleman, I doubt it.
I fully agree with you BUT, what if a new GM and HC feel the crop coming (regardless of how you feel about them) isn't worth the draft capital this year and they prefer to build other positions this year through the draft, save money for next season and draft or sign the QB they want?
I am on board with Jones is not the answer BUT our cap situation will dictate what happens. Either way, I think Jones's healthy will keep him from playing anyway.
Fields is a talented guy with a wide range of potential outcomes.
Jones is not a factor here. He is established as a non-entity. He may stick around as part of a wasted year in 22 but he is part of no future plans. Jones is an inconsequential NFL player. He will make many millions of dollars standing on the sidelines in the future. But he is not even a remote consideration for any kind of long term build
Good post. I would only edit your last paragraph to say, "Jones should not be a factor here".
Because the new GM could actually like Jones. In which case, I think we may have hired the wrong guy.
Fields is a talented guy with a wide range of potential outcomes.
Jones is not a factor here. He is established as a non-entity. He may stick around as part of a wasted year in 22 but he is part of no future plans. Jones is an inconsequential NFL player. He will make many millions of dollars standing on the sidelines in the future. But he is not even a remote consideration for any kind of long term build
Good post. I would only edit your last paragraph to say, "Jones should not be a factor here".
Because the new GM could actually like Jones. In which case, I think we may have hired the wrong guy.
Keeping Jones is not the same as liking him. It is possible that a new GM says Jones + Mariota/Trubisky type + Not using one of our first 3 picks on a QB is better than any QB option in 2022 Draft
Almost a completely clean slate at the QB position vs. implied commitment of Fields who was ok as a rookie. Giants have two Top 10 picks and Bears have 0. I would think the new GM would rather have the 7th pick than inheriting a 2nd year QB.
Both organizations are similar in terms of how they operate, so that part is a wash.
Good post. I would only edit your last paragraph to say, "Jones should not be a factor here".
Because the new GM could actually like Jones. In which case, I think we may have hired the wrong guy.
Keeping Jones is not the same as liking him. It is possible that a new GM says Jones + Mariota/Trubisky type + Not using one of our first 3 picks on a QB is better than any QB option in 2022 Draft
Under those parameters, you are correct.
I was suggesting if Jones is given his 4th year - assuming health - with no competition. Just another journeyman like a Glennon-type.
Brother in law is a big Bears fan & has no faith in their front office. For one, if Schoen goes there, he has no say in who will be the next HC. McCaskey is apparently hiring the GM & HC separate from one another.
Well, I’ll trust the new GM in whatever he thinks about Jones, over anyone on this website
More like it only makes sense to trust a new GM/HC on the upcoming Jones and Saquon decisions because everyone else in the NY Giant decision-making apparatus is a bit tainted right now.
Brother in law is a big Bears fan & has no faith in their front office. For one, if Schoen goes there, he has no say in who will be the next HC. McCaskey is apparently hiring the GM & HC separate from one another.
It doesn't seem like a sound system.
If this is true then NY is definitely a more appealing spot than Chicago because he has two top 10 picks and Schoen gets to pick his coach
It's not just about his low level of quality (face it he's a day 2/day 3 level talent that was drafted because of Eli/Cutcliffe), it's about timing and cost.
There is no rational case to be made for Jones being here in 2023. That's why I'd pin his presence here in 2023 on Mara, who is decidedly subjective and irrational.
The people being interviewed for GM all seem smart; they're not going to want Jones as the long term QB.
Brother in law is a big Bears fan & has no faith in their front office. For one, if Schoen goes there, he has no say in who will be the next HC. McCaskey is apparently hiring the GM & HC separate from one another.
It doesn't seem like a sound system.
Did you see that McCaskey press conference last week?
JFC, what a perfect marriage Gettleman and McCaskey would have been...
If Jones is still on this roster in 2023...(banging head on desk).
I'm not too worried about it; can't imagine any of these GM candidates being ok with that. Hopefully he's somewhere else in 2022. Maybe he'll go to the Chargers and send Herbert to the bench...
Seriously though, any snap Jones gets in 2022 is a waste. I'd rather give it to someone that we have a potential interest in as a starter beyond 2022.
It's not just about his low level of quality (face it he's a day 2/day 3 level talent that was drafted because of Eli/Cutcliffe), it's about timing and cost.
There is no rational case to be made for Jones being here in 2023. That's why I'd pin his presence here in 2023 on Mara, who is decidedly subjective and irrational.
The people being interviewed for GM all seem smart; they're not going to want Jones as the long term QB.
I think it's a waste of time and roster spot to keep Jones around in 2022. I said on a different thread, I would unload Jones for any pick right now - 5th, 6th, 7th. Whatever a team is willing to risk.
If Jones is still on this roster in 2023...(banging head on desk).
I'm not too worried about it; can't imagine any of these GM candidates being ok with that. Hopefully he's somewhere else in 2022. Maybe he'll go to the Chargers and send Herbert to the bench...
Seriously though, any snap Jones gets in 2022 is a waste. I'd rather give it to someone that we have a potential interest in as a starter beyond 2022.
The problem is I am not sure that that QB exists. The ones with the most potential in 2023 and beyond everybody says they need to redshirt this year and you are possibly derailing their upside by developing bad habits borne out of the necessity to survive before they are ready.
I didn't see it, but heard about it. Apparently he was going off on fans for booing Nagy's son at his high school football game? And then he went after former Bears center Olin Kreutz, calling him a liar. He then claimed he's just a fan, not a football evalator. Then he started hawking Polian's book, the same Bill Polian who is helping him in this process.
A. want an upgrade from Jones as quickly as possible and B. having 2 top 10 picks is likely more attractive than having Fields. Don’t really see the Allen comp either - one has the body type to hold up to the style of play, the other doesn’t. Allen has a much better arm too.
No one is ever going to be sure. It's not possible.
The superior 2023 class thing is a trap. I can tell you already what those discussions will sound like:
- Bryce Young is tiny and played with the best supporting cast
- CJ Stroud will be the latest in the long line of Ohio State QBs that lived on go routes and mesh concepts to the fastest wide receivers in the Big Ten
You're going to be able to poke holes in nearly every prospect. If we're sitting around waiting for John Elway or Peyton Manning we're going to be waiting a long time.
I know Jones burned is but we've got to keep dipping our toe in the water.
No one is ever going to be sure. It's not possible.
The superior 2023 class thing is a trap. I can tell you already what those discussions will sound like:
- Bryce Young is tiny and played with the best supporting cast
- CJ Stroud will be the latest in the long line of Ohio State QBs that lived on go routes and mesh concepts to the fastest wide receivers in the Big Ten
You're going to be able to poke holes in nearly every prospect. If we're sitting around waiting for John Elway or Peyton Manning we're going to be waiting a long time.
I know Jones burned is but we've got to keep dipping our toe in the water.
Totally agree with this. The Jets, Browns and I'm sure others punted on Watson and Mahomes because the 2018 QB class was supposed to be the best QB class in years.
No one is ever going to be sure. It's not possible.
The superior 2023 class thing is a trap. I can tell you already what those discussions will sound like:
- Bryce Young is tiny and played with the best supporting cast
- CJ Stroud will be the latest in the long line of Ohio State QBs that lived on go routes and mesh concepts to the fastest wide receivers in the Big Ten
You're going to be able to poke holes in nearly every prospect. If we're sitting around waiting for John Elway or Peyton Manning we're going to be waiting a long time.
I know Jones burned is but we've got to keep dipping our toe in the water.
Generally okay with sentiments here. Including not just waiting around because of some belief that 2023 is that much better than 2022.
But using #5 pick (or like #6 with Jones) is not dipping your toe in the water...it's saying I know QBs and I found my next franchise guy. If want to dip your toe in with #25 (via trade down or trade up) or an early second rounder then fine. Dip away...
Jones in 2022 would actually be a smart thing for a new GM to do if that GM doesn’t love any of the QB prospects this year. If Jones continues the career he’s had, cool, not my guy anyway, get a decently high pick, figure out the QB in 2023. If a new offensive mind can turn Jones around, great, that worked out too.
Another option is to take a QB at 7, in a trade down, or in round 2, keep Jones, start Jones to open the year while a new QB learns.
There are multiple options here but I’m fairly certain just letting go of Jones doesn’t make much sense for 2022.
No one is going to learn anything of value watching Jones play
Jones in 2022 would actually be a smart thing for a new GM to do if that GM doesn’t love any of the QB prospects this year. If Jones continues the career he’s had, cool, not my guy anyway, get a decently high pick, figure out the QB in 2023. If a new offensive mind can turn Jones around, great, that worked out too.
Another option is to take a QB at 7, in a trade down, or in round 2, keep Jones, start Jones to open the year while a new QB learns.
There are multiple options here but I’m fairly certain just letting go of Jones doesn’t make much sense for 2022.
Keeping Jones as a trading asset or backup QB is one thing.
Making him the de facto Starting QB for 2022 would be an egregious mistake...
Your mind is made up. Why do you continue to say this on a daily basis? Nobody wants to hear your thoughts on Jones anymore other than yourself. I think the rest of us will see what the new GM thinks.
Let me guess. New GM likes Jones and wants to wait it out. Will you want that GM fired?
Your mind is made up. Why do you continue to say this on a daily basis? Nobody wants to hear your thoughts on Jones anymore other than yourself. I think the rest of us will see what the new GM thinks.
Let me guess. New GM likes Jones and wants to wait it out. Will you want that GM fired?
Your mind is made up. Why do you continue to say this on a daily basis? Nobody wants to hear your thoughts on Jones anymore other than yourself. I think the rest of us will see what the new GM thinks.
Let me guess. New GM likes Jones and wants to wait it out. Will you want that GM fired?
I've been as pro Jones as anybody.
If that's the new GM's plan. That would fucking suck.
But I think he has more value as a trade asset to us, since we have no cap space and would benefit from freeing up that salary and signing a cheaper backup.
Slotting Jones in to start so we can tank next year is a loser mentality I hope no GM coming in has.
Your mind is made up. Why do you continue to say this on a daily basis? Nobody wants to hear your thoughts on Jones anymore other than yourself. I think the rest of us will see what the new GM thinks.
Let me guess. New GM likes Jones and wants to wait it out. Will you want that GM fired?
yea while most of BBI agrees on jones, hearing terps and bw is getting exhausting.
As ive stated, i think jones is a nonfactor here when it comes to a GM making a decision. they know they can cut bait right away and most likely will after 22 if not before 22.
I think we should jus all relax. We wanted an outsider to be GM, we are gonna get it...now we wait and see. we cant play both sides of the fence and say i want an outsider, oh boo hoo the outsider didnt do what i wanted. WE dont make the decisions, they do. we can cry for months and repeat the same shit over and over (terps and bw) or we can be excited and hope better things are to come. I genuinely believe bw and terps want the franchise to stay shit because they like hearing themselves
A new GM & HC-which we'll be getting-have no ties to DJ & a lot of these dudes want to make their own imprint on the franchise so I'm confident DJ isn't in their long term plans. CC Saquon.
A new GM & HC-which we'll be getting-have no ties to DJ & a lot of these dudes want to make their own imprint on the franchise so I'm confident DJ isn't in their long term plans. CC Saquon.
This tends to be how things shake out. Which means if they did start Jones for 2022, it would be very odd and not a good sign.
Two scenarios - (1) He actually does like Jones, and thinks he has the right team (HC, OC, etc) to fix him, which means we picked the wrong GM. Or (2) the new GM has no choice due to ownership intervention.
Jones had a much more impressive rookie year than Fields. And then it didn’t work out for him the next 2 seasons.
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It all seems clear to me - a person seeking a GM position would want to go to the place that has the best opportunity at QB.
So if Schoen chooses the Giants over the Bears will you assume it's because he prefers Jones to Fields or will you pivot to the myriad of other factors that go into making such an important career decision?
I'll assume he likes the opportunity with QB in NY better than Chicago.
If that would be based on Jones being considered > than Fields, or the ability to find a solution better than Jones easier, I obviously don't know.
The Giants have a vacancy.
Fields is a talented guy with a wide range of potential outcomes.
Jones is not a factor here. He is established as a non-entity. He may stick around as part of a wasted year in 22 but he is part of no future plans. Jones is an inconsequential NFL player. He will make many millions of dollars standing on the sidelines in the future. But he is not even a remote consideration for any kind of long term build
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He's done here unless Mara mandates him. In that case, just turn your calendars back to 2018.
I mean, how do you even know what a new GM is thinking?
Because the case to the contrary is absurd. Why is an incoming GM going to want to commit to a QB with Jones's resume and a possible neck issue? We just fired the only GM stupid enough to even think about doing that.
Game out the near future. What scenario has Jones here for longer than 2022?
Who's committing to Jones?
He could be on the roster for just 2022.
That's a commitment?
The issue I have w/ you is if Jones sniffs any part of Met Life this coming season you're going to blame Mara.
I'll blame Mara if Jones is on the team beyond 2022. I can see him being a cheap placeholder in 2022, which is not something I would do but it's a possible first step in a complete rebuild.
Jones shouldn't be here in 2022, but he can not be here in 2023. That's a five alarm fire.
A new GM and coach decide to keep Jones in 2023, and you blame Mara?
Wow.
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It all seems clear to me - a person seeking a GM position would want to go to the place that has the best opportunity at QB.
So if Schoen chooses the Giants over the Bears will you assume it's because he prefers Jones to Fields or will you pivot to the myriad of other factors that go into making such an important career decision?
I'll assume he likes the opportunity with QB in NY better than Chicago.
If that would be based on Jones being considered > than Fields, or the ability to find a solution better than Jones easier, I obviously don't know.
Two top 10 picks in NY vs no 1st round picks in Chicago is also a factor
We all need to stop speaking in absolutes BUT, Mara aklready said the QB is the Gm and HC's decision. That seems like something that has been established with candidates already.
We can stop the overkill though- like saying get Roman here and bring over Huntley. There whole offense is built around the QB running and has been stopped in the playoffs (with Jackson).. Huntley is a great backup for Jackson but building an offense around him would expose his massive flaws.
Jones had a much more impressive rookie year than Fields. And then it didn’t work out for him the next 2 seasons.
All of that is fair.
But by now we have three years of data on Jones. The answer is likely settled.
Fields is still a very firm TBD.
Now, if Schoen can bring Daboll with him as the HC, my guess is he'll lean on his expertise on which situation is more promising.
I went back and viewed both the 49s and the Steelers games
In the Steeler game
Fields showed more than I expected he had (4) nice throws and good speed
But he also had some cringe worthy plays such as the interception to Heyward
In the 49 game he also made some nice throws and good speed
in general he was better than I thought
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He's done here unless Mara mandates him. In that case, just turn your calendars back to 2018.
I mean, how do you even know what a new GM is thinking?
Because the case to the contrary is absurd. Why is an incoming GM going to want to commit to a QB with Jones's resume and a possible neck issue? We just fired the only GM stupid enough to even think about doing that.
Game out the near future. What scenario has Jones here for longer than 2022?
Who's committing to Jones?
He could be on the roster for just 2022.
That's a commitment?
The issue I have w/ you is if Jones sniffs any part of Met Life this coming season you're going to blame Mara.
I'll blame Mara if Jones is on the team beyond 2022. I can see him being a cheap placeholder in 2022, which is not something I would do but it's a possible first step in a complete rebuild.
Jones shouldn't be here in 2022, but he can not be here in 2023. That's a five alarm fire.
A new GM and coach decide to keep Jones in 2023, and you blame Mara?
Wow.
Is there a GM and coach on earth stupid enough to pay Jones another contract to play for the Giants? Outside of Gettleman, I doubt it.
I went back and viewed both the 49s and the Steelers games
In the Steeler game
Fields showed more than I expected he had (4) nice throws and good speed
But he also had some cringe worthy plays such as the interception to Heyward
In the 49 game he also made some nice throws and good speed
in general he was better than I thought
I actually really appreciate that you did that. Thank you.
I'm not patronizing you, but I wish more posters would do things like this.
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He's done here unless Mara mandates him. In that case, just turn your calendars back to 2018.
I mean, how do you even know what a new GM is thinking?
Because the case to the contrary is absurd. Why is an incoming GM going to want to commit to a QB with Jones's resume and a possible neck issue? We just fired the only GM stupid enough to even think about doing that.
Game out the near future. What scenario has Jones here for longer than 2022?
Who's committing to Jones?
He could be on the roster for just 2022.
That's a commitment?
The issue I have w/ you is if Jones sniffs any part of Met Life this coming season you're going to blame Mara.
I'll blame Mara if Jones is on the team beyond 2022. I can see him being a cheap placeholder in 2022, which is not something I would do but it's a possible first step in a complete rebuild.
Jones shouldn't be here in 2022, but he can not be here in 2023. That's a five alarm fire.
A new GM and coach decide to keep Jones in 2023, and you blame Mara?
Wow.
Is there a GM and coach on earth stupid enough to pay Jones another contract to play for the Giants? Outside of Gettleman, I doubt it.
I fully agree with you BUT, what if a new GM and HC feel the crop coming (regardless of how you feel about them) isn't worth the draft capital this year and they prefer to build other positions this year through the draft, save money for next season and draft or sign the QB they want?
I am on board with Jones is not the answer BUT our cap situation will dictate what happens. Either way, I think Jones's healthy will keep him from playing anyway.
If Schoen is making this decision on the QB position alone...I don't know if I'd want him here in the first place.
The Giants have a vacancy.
Fields is a talented guy with a wide range of potential outcomes.
Jones is not a factor here. He is established as a non-entity. He may stick around as part of a wasted year in 22 but he is part of no future plans. Jones is an inconsequential NFL player. He will make many millions of dollars standing on the sidelines in the future. But he is not even a remote consideration for any kind of long term build
Good post. I would only edit your last paragraph to say, "Jones should not be a factor here".
Because the new GM could actually like Jones. In which case, I think we may have hired the wrong guy.
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The Giants have a vacancy.
Fields is a talented guy with a wide range of potential outcomes.
Jones is not a factor here. He is established as a non-entity. He may stick around as part of a wasted year in 22 but he is part of no future plans. Jones is an inconsequential NFL player. He will make many millions of dollars standing on the sidelines in the future. But he is not even a remote consideration for any kind of long term build
Good post. I would only edit your last paragraph to say, "Jones should not be a factor here".
Because the new GM could actually like Jones. In which case, I think we may have hired the wrong guy.
Keeping Jones is not the same as liking him. It is possible that a new GM says Jones + Mariota/Trubisky type + Not using one of our first 3 picks on a QB is better than any QB option in 2022 Draft
You once trusted Gettleman, right? ;)
Both organizations are similar in terms of how they operate, so that part is a wash.
Good post. I would only edit your last paragraph to say, "Jones should not be a factor here".
Because the new GM could actually like Jones. In which case, I think we may have hired the wrong guy.
Keeping Jones is not the same as liking him. It is possible that a new GM says Jones + Mariota/Trubisky type + Not using one of our first 3 picks on a QB is better than any QB option in 2022 Draft
Under those parameters, you are correct.
I was suggesting if Jones is given his 4th year - assuming health - with no competition. Just another journeyman like a Glennon-type.
It doesn't seem like a sound system.
More like it only makes sense to trust a new GM/HC on the upcoming Jones and Saquon decisions because everyone else in the NY Giant decision-making apparatus is a bit tainted right now.
Oh, and you can trust me of course...
It doesn't seem like a sound system.
If this is true then NY is definitely a more appealing spot than Chicago because he has two top 10 picks and Schoen gets to pick his coach
There is no rational case to be made for Jones being here in 2023. That's why I'd pin his presence here in 2023 on Mara, who is decidedly subjective and irrational.
The people being interviewed for GM all seem smart; they're not going to want Jones as the long term QB.
It doesn't seem like a sound system.
Did you see that McCaskey press conference last week?
JFC, what a perfect marriage Gettleman and McCaskey would have been...
I'm not too worried about it; can't imagine any of these GM candidates being ok with that. Hopefully he's somewhere else in 2022. Maybe he'll go to the Chargers and send Herbert to the bench...
Seriously though, any snap Jones gets in 2022 is a waste. I'd rather give it to someone that we have a potential interest in as a starter beyond 2022.
There is no rational case to be made for Jones being here in 2023. That's why I'd pin his presence here in 2023 on Mara, who is decidedly subjective and irrational.
The people being interviewed for GM all seem smart; they're not going to want Jones as the long term QB.
I think it's a waste of time and roster spot to keep Jones around in 2022. I said on a different thread, I would unload Jones for any pick right now - 5th, 6th, 7th. Whatever a team is willing to risk.
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If Jones is still on this roster in 2023...(banging head on desk).
I'm not too worried about it; can't imagine any of these GM candidates being ok with that. Hopefully he's somewhere else in 2022. Maybe he'll go to the Chargers and send Herbert to the bench...
Seriously though, any snap Jones gets in 2022 is a waste. I'd rather give it to someone that we have a potential interest in as a starter beyond 2022.
The problem is I am not sure that that QB exists. The ones with the most potential in 2023 and beyond everybody says they need to redshirt this year and you are possibly derailing their upside by developing bad habits borne out of the necessity to survive before they are ready.
The superior 2023 class thing is a trap. I can tell you already what those discussions will sound like:
- Bryce Young is tiny and played with the best supporting cast
- CJ Stroud will be the latest in the long line of Ohio State QBs that lived on go routes and mesh concepts to the fastest wide receivers in the Big Ten
You're going to be able to poke holes in nearly every prospect. If we're sitting around waiting for John Elway or Peyton Manning we're going to be waiting a long time.
I know Jones burned is but we've got to keep dipping our toe in the water.
The superior 2023 class thing is a trap. I can tell you already what those discussions will sound like:
- Bryce Young is tiny and played with the best supporting cast
- CJ Stroud will be the latest in the long line of Ohio State QBs that lived on go routes and mesh concepts to the fastest wide receivers in the Big Ten
You're going to be able to poke holes in nearly every prospect. If we're sitting around waiting for John Elway or Peyton Manning we're going to be waiting a long time.
I know Jones burned is but we've got to keep dipping our toe in the water.
Totally agree with this. The Jets, Browns and I'm sure others punted on Watson and Mahomes because the 2018 QB class was supposed to be the best QB class in years.
The superior 2023 class thing is a trap. I can tell you already what those discussions will sound like:
- Bryce Young is tiny and played with the best supporting cast
- CJ Stroud will be the latest in the long line of Ohio State QBs that lived on go routes and mesh concepts to the fastest wide receivers in the Big Ten
You're going to be able to poke holes in nearly every prospect. If we're sitting around waiting for John Elway or Peyton Manning we're going to be waiting a long time.
I know Jones burned is but we've got to keep dipping our toe in the water.
Generally okay with sentiments here. Including not just waiting around because of some belief that 2023 is that much better than 2022.
But using #5 pick (or like #6 with Jones) is not dipping your toe in the water...it's saying I know QBs and I found my next franchise guy. If want to dip your toe in with #25 (via trade down or trade up) or an early second rounder then fine. Dip away...
Another option is to take a QB at 7, in a trade down, or in round 2, keep Jones, start Jones to open the year while a new QB learns.
There are multiple options here but I’m fairly certain just letting go of Jones doesn’t make much sense for 2022.
Let the draft pick play and take his lumps from day one. That will serve him better for the start of year two than sitting on the bench would.
He’ll play if he’s a better option than Jones. I thought we weren’t giving out scholarships?
I don't think he sucks. He does suck.
And there's been a lot more that I and others have said beyond that fact.
Another option is to take a QB at 7, in a trade down, or in round 2, keep Jones, start Jones to open the year while a new QB learns.
There are multiple options here but I’m fairly certain just letting go of Jones doesn’t make much sense for 2022.
Keeping Jones as a trading asset or backup QB is one thing.
Making him the de facto Starting QB for 2022 would be an egregious mistake...
Let me guess. New GM likes Jones and wants to wait it out. Will you want that GM fired?
Jones will play if he’s the best option on the roster. That remains to be seen. See how the draft plays out and if the GM likes any of these QBs.
Let me guess. New GM likes Jones and wants to wait it out. Will you want that GM fired?
Why would any new GM like Jones?
Let me guess. New GM likes Jones and wants to wait it out. Will you want that GM fired?
I've been as pro Jones as anybody.
If that's the new GM's plan. That would fucking suck.
Slotting Jones in to start so we can tank next year is a loser mentality I hope no GM coming in has.
Let me guess. New GM likes Jones and wants to wait it out. Will you want that GM fired?
yea while most of BBI agrees on jones, hearing terps and bw is getting exhausting.
As ive stated, i think jones is a nonfactor here when it comes to a GM making a decision. they know they can cut bait right away and most likely will after 22 if not before 22.
I think we should jus all relax. We wanted an outsider to be GM, we are gonna get it...now we wait and see. we cant play both sides of the fence and say i want an outsider, oh boo hoo the outsider didnt do what i wanted. WE dont make the decisions, they do. we can cry for months and repeat the same shit over and over (terps and bw) or we can be excited and hope better things are to come. I genuinely believe bw and terps want the franchise to stay shit because they like hearing themselves
This tends to be how things shake out. Which means if they did start Jones for 2022, it would be very odd and not a good sign.
Why would any new GM like Jones?
Two scenarios - (1) He actually does like Jones, and thinks he has the right team (HC, OC, etc) to fix him, which means we picked the wrong GM. Or (2) the new GM has no choice due to ownership intervention.