Carson Strong- QB Nevada

If Strong and Willis wow at the combine, they'll move up and get more pub.

And others around the combine. We're really not in draft season yet. He's intriguing to me.

He’s a throwback pure pocket passer. He has the mobility of 2021 Big Ben

A fast brain usually comes as a result of exposure and experience.

Name an immobile starting quarterback in a rookie contract.

In comment 15559664 Go Terps said:

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A fast brain usually comes as a result of exposure and experience. Name an immobile starting quarterback in a rookie contract.

Mac Jones?

accuracy. I just saw one game of his and came away thinking he can start in the nfl. Here's a scouting report -
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It is strong, though and makes up for his lack of athleticism.

Not a first rounder IMO but someone will give the passing talent a chance. Reminded me a little of Jeff George. Classic drop back passer.

In comment 15559682 Mike from Ohio said:

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In comment 15559664 Go Terps said: Quote: A fast brain usually comes as a result of exposure and experience. Name an immobile starting quarterback in a rookie contract. Mac Jones?

Yeah that's the one that comes to mind. Not many more, if any.

I want to see the Giants come out of the first two/three rounds with a QB. I don't love Strong, but I'm open to it. Got to keep trying at the position; waiting to shoot the moon with the right prospect - I don't think that's the right approach in the current CBA.

The talent isn't there and the Giants have so many other needs that can be filled at the top of this draft

Strong is a sleeper who is interesting

He does not fit the profile that NFL teams are trending towards

He is not mobile but he does have good pocket presence

The team that drafts him better have a good line and fast receivers

Arm is very strong similar to Corral

In comment 15559706 Snablats said:

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The talent isn't there and the Giants have so many other needs that can be filled at the top of this draft

One thing I don't get - Bryce Young and CJ Stroud are being touted as the foundation of a strong 2023 QB class - I don't see it.

I don't see either (particularly Young) as being in Corral's or Pickett's class as a passer.

In comment 15559694 Heisenberg said:

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It is strong, though and makes up for his lack of athleticism. Not a first rounder IMO but someone will give the passing talent a chance. Reminded me a little of Jeff George. Classic drop back passer.

Or Big Ben.]A rocket launcher can make up for a multitude of sins. Creates problems for the defense when it has to defend 20 yard sideline throws and 55 yards deep.

Absolutely correct that someone will take a chance on that arm.

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In comment 15559720 Go Terps said:

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In comment 15559706 Snablats said: Quote: The talent isn't there and the Giants have so many other needs that can be filled at the top of this draft One thing I don't get - Bryce Young and CJ Stroud are being touted as the foundation of a strong 2023 QB class - I don't see it. I don't see either (particularly Young) as being in Corral's or Pickett's class as a passer.

I don't see Young either to be honest. I haven't seen Stroud.

Brief highlights I've seen of Pickett - yes I think he looks the part more than Young. Bigger and stronger.

All that worries me because we were told 2023 was the draft class for QBs!

I think the "weak 2022 QB class" and "strong 2023 QB class" is a trope.

In comment 15559720 Go Terps said:

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In comment 15559706 Snablats said: Quote: The talent isn't there and the Giants have so many other needs that can be filled at the top of this draft One thing I don't get - Bryce Young and CJ Stroud are being touted as the foundation of a strong 2023 QB class - I don't see it. I don't see either (particularly Young) as being in Corral's or Pickett's class as a passer.

I don't either. I haven't watched them a ton, but every time I had a chance to catch one of their games on TV, I'm expecting to be wowed and I'm not. Not that they are bad, just with all the hype I've been expecting more.

But a stronger arm than Josh Allen?? No

He will be competing against:
Ridder
Willis
Zappe
Pickett
Howell
It is going to be a really interesting week of practice at the Senior Bowl with these 6 QB’s. Only QB missing is Corral at Senior Bowl.

His stats are excellent. His release and arm strength look great too.

- He has the size, arm, and accuracy you need in the NFL
- He comes from a sophisticated passing attack at Nevada
- He is slightly underrated (right now anyway) so maybe we can get him in round 2.

In summary, there is zero reason this guy can't turn out to be better than Pickett and Corral. He just played in Nevada, not the SEC.

isn't a good fit for the Giants

In comment 15559656 Tuckrule said:

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He’s a throwback pure pocket passer. He has the mobility of 2021 Big Ben

His name is Carson Strong not Carson Runner or Carson Mobile.

In comment 15559751 Go Terps said:

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I think the "weak 2022 QB class" and "strong 2023 QB class" is a trope.

Agreed, Pickett looks the best to me. Young just doesn’t look as fluid

In comment 15559656 Tuckrule said:

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He’s a throwback pure pocket passer. He has the mobility of 2021 Big Ben

20 years ago I guess he would've been a #1 overall pick?

Everyone is infatuated by the mobile QBs but you need to throw from the pocket in the NFL. Where is Lamar Jackson? I'll give him credit that he has improved a lot in that area since coming into the league but he still isn't good enough in the pocket. Kyler Murray looked like absolutely dog shit last night. He was embarrassingly bad in the pocket.

Throwing from the pocket is a learned trait. If you are entering the NFL and people notice you for your legs and all the plays you make outside the pocket a la Johnny Manziel then you're gonna be left disappointed. To learn some crucial trait at the highest level is not likely to happen. There is nothing wrong with being mobile but give me the guy who can stand strong in the pocket and make the appropriate reads any day over a runner who bails when his first read is covered.

In comment 15559656 Tuckrule said:

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He’s a throwback pure pocket passer. He has the mobility of 2021 Big Ben

Or maybe the mobility of Mac Jones. And if it turned out he was a rifle armed version of Mac Jones, wouldn't that be a QB worth rolling the dice on if he were available when the Giants are on the clock in round two?

...good posts!

I hope he falls in the draft because he is not mobile, zigging when others zag is a great way to get great value in the draft. He was the guy I was talking about when I was willing to risk a non 1st round pick for. With him I think you solve your backup QB issue at a cheap price and you still have a chance with him excelling in the NFL because he plays the position well. I would not consider him waste of a pick if he falls because of being a pocket passer.

He has a good arm, he makes protection calls, he reads the field. He could compete with Jones, be a competent backup and win games in the NFL. Also depending on how he does gives us chance to find the THE QB if he can only be a backup, you still one of those, I rather burn a draft pick then spend 4 mil on known garbage.

I much rather fix oline with premium picks first and see what happens in the draft, if he falls to the 3rd round, I would pull the trigger for sure. He has a good of chance to be the best QB in the draft despite his immobility

Admittedly, I watched only one game, vs California, but he stares down his receivers; the offensive system is really simple; he is not particularly accurate, and he cannot move. We need a QB who can move.

In comment 15559844 Mike from SI said:

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In comment 15559656 Tuckrule said: Quote: He’s a throwback pure pocket passer. He has the mobility of 2021 Big Ben His name is Carson Strong not Carson Runner or Carson Mobile.

Clever. However today qbs needs to move. Carson strong is one of the least athletic qb prospects we’ve seen in a very long time.

He is REALLY immobile. 70% completion percentage is very impressive though.

In comment 15559751 Go Terps said:

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I think the "weak 2022 QB class" and "strong 2023 QB class" is a trope.

It really is. Also say that the Giants target Young in the 23 draft, and suck enough in 22 to nab him, and then he goes and tears an ACL in his last CFB game.

Projecting and waiting it out to 23 for a QB is a big risk.

In comment 15560089 Tuckrule said:

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In comment 15559844 Mike from SI said: Quote: In comment 15559656 Tuckrule said: Quote: He’s a throwback pure pocket passer. He has the mobility of 2021 Big Ben His name is Carson Strong not Carson Runner or Carson Mobile. Clever. However today qbs needs to move. Carson strong is one of the least athletic qb prospects we’ve seen in a very long time.

Maybe going back as far as Brady. ( No I'm not saying he's Brady)

In comment 15560649 Scooter185 said:

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In comment 15559751 Go Terps said: Quote: I think the "weak 2022 QB class" and "strong 2023 QB class" is a trope. It really is. Also say that the Giants target Young in the 23 draft, and suck enough in 22 to nab him, and then he goes and tears an ACL in his last CFB game. Projecting and waiting it out to 23 for a QB is a big risk.

If we had the opportunity to draft Will Anderson in 2023, are we going to pass on him for Bryce Young? No way.

This will come out at the Combines, then we will know. However if he is as mobile as Mac Jones, Brady, Peyton, Eli, Flacco that may be fine. All of those have won SB's except Jones, who played well this year. Its a combination of things that make a QB good, not one.

In comment 15560089 Tuckrule said:

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In comment 15559844 Mike from SI said: Quote: In comment 15559656 Tuckrule said: Quote: He’s a throwback pure pocket passer. He has the mobility of 2021 Big Ben His name is Carson Strong not Carson Runner or Carson Mobile. Clever. However today qbs needs to move. Carson strong is one of the least athletic qb prospects we’ve seen in a very long time.

I was just being facetious. I agree that mobility is very important these days.

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A franchise QB sees the game through the eyes of the defense and not through the eyes of the offense. A franchise QB before the snap of the ball watches the movements of the LB or Safeties and understands why they move to spots on the field because of the offense formation and adjust the play in his head to the weakness or strength of that safeties or linebacker’s movements. The average starting QB does not react to a defense that way, he just points out the mike linebacker counts the box, checks the depth of the safeties, and runs the play or audibles to another play but he does not see the offense the way the defense sees the offense.

That's why Eli is going to the HOF and why the Giants are still looking for the next QB.

In comment 15560965 PatersonPlank said:

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This will come out at the Combines, then we will know. However if he is as mobile as Mac Jones, Brady, Peyton, Eli, Flacco that may be fine. All of those have won SB's except Jones, who played well this year. Its a combination of things that make a QB good, not one.

exactly. He needs to move well in the pocket. Every QB needs to do this. Brady is amazing at moving in the pocket. So are Burrow, Rodgers, and Mahomes.

If he can feel pressure, sidestep, buy extra seconds, that is good enough to succeed.