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NFT: Knicks vs. 'Wolves - 7:30 PM - Game Thread

adamg : 1/18/2022 6:03 pm
LFGK!!!
Noel, Reddish out  
adamg : 1/18/2022 6:04 pm : link
16 said Kemba is a game time decision. He's listed as out on ESPN though.
Can't get much worse than last game  
Mike from SI : 1/18/2022 6:09 pm : link
right?
Hope they bounce back from yesterday's no-show  
bceagle05 : 1/18/2022 6:10 pm : link
but this is a tough match-up. Minny has some legit talent.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/18/2022 6:14 pm : link
I know the Wolves are no pushover, but this team has to win games like this @ home if they're going to do anything this spring.
Thibs said Kemba will warm up and decide  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 6:14 pm : link
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Sounds like Thibs is frustrated  
larryflower37 : 1/18/2022 6:30 pm : link
With Kemba from yesterday's post game.
Kemba won't rush back and risk re-injuring the knee.
RE: Sounds like Thibs is frustrated  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 6:31 pm : link
In comment 15559954 larryflower37 said:
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With Kemba from yesterday's post game.
Kemba won't rush back and risk re-injuring the knee.


i didnt get that, Thibs basically said they want him back and stay back so thry want him to take his time and feel ready
Kings apparently contemplating  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 6:48 pm : link
taking Simmons and Harris
RE: Kings apparently contemplating  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/18/2022 6:52 pm : link
In comment 15559995 nygiants16 said:
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taking Simmons and Harris


That's so Kings. Haha. Isn't Harris making like $40 million for the next 3 seasons? YIKES.
RE: Kings apparently contemplating  
Mike from SI : 1/18/2022 6:52 pm : link
In comment 15559995 nygiants16 said:
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taking Simmons and Harris


For Fox?
I'd assume for Fox...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/18/2022 6:53 pm : link
Though I swore I've read/heard that Daryl doesn't consider Fox enough compensation for someone like Simmons.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/18/2022 6:55 pm : link
A part of me-a small part mind you-actually would love if this Simmons saga drags on for years. Haha. It'd be entertaining, if nothing else.
Kemba back  
larryflower37 : 1/18/2022 6:56 pm : link
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And starting
Kemba is back and playing  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 6:57 pm : link
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RE: Kemba is back and playing  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 6:57 pm : link
In comment 15560009 nygiants16 said:
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starting
RE: RE: Kings apparently contemplating  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 6:58 pm : link
In comment 15560000 Mike from SI said:
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In comment 15559995 nygiants16 said:


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taking Simmons and Harris



For Fox?


i would assume Fox in the deal and Hield and Barnes, maybe flip fox to a 3rd team for more assets
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/18/2022 7:02 pm : link
I think I've seen the Kings the least of any team on League Pass. How's Bagley been? He is super young & I still think he can become a really good player in the right situation. I loved him at Duke & obviously Sacramento shoulda taken Luca, but whatever.
RE: RE: Kemba is back and playing  
Del Shofner : 1/18/2022 7:10 pm : link
In comment 15560010 nygiants16 said:
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starting


Replacing Burks?
RE: ...  
adamg : 1/18/2022 7:12 pm : link
In comment 15560018 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I think I've seen the Kings the least of any team on League Pass. How's Bagley been? He is super young & I still think he can become a really good player in the right situation. I loved him at Duke & obviously Sacramento shoulda taken Luca, but whatever.


Turner without the defense and less efficient from 3 is what his numbers look like...
Happy Thibs didn't mess around  
larryflower37 : 1/18/2022 7:32 pm : link
And put Kemba in as a starter.
We need a win tonight
My one worry with trading for guys  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 7:38 pm : link
who havnt gotten their 2nd ckntract yet and this goes for Reddish, is they are just looking to get paid, they are going to go get theirs and not play team ball
Doing what we do best….  
bceagle05 : 1/18/2022 7:53 pm : link
Whining to the refs.
KAT is  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/18/2022 7:54 pm : link
good.
RE: KAT is  
adamg : 1/18/2022 7:57 pm : link
In comment 15560128 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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good.


Best player on the court.
Grimes still in the rotation!  
bceagle05 : 1/18/2022 7:57 pm : link
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Sloppy start  
larryflower37 : 1/18/2022 7:59 pm : link
6 turnovers already
RE: Doing what we do best….  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 8:00 pm : link
In comment 15560123 bceagle05 said:
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Whining to the refs.


I mean when Towns is blatantly allowed to hook his arm and get a free dunk, yeah i would be pissed to
The second a team plays zone  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 8:02 pm : link
the Knicks offense folds
Unless Knicks are playing Celtics  
Earl the goat : 1/18/2022 8:02 pm : link
Fournier shouldn’t be on court
What does Thibs see there. Unless Leon putting pressure on him to play or show casing him for trade deadline

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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/18/2022 8:03 pm : link
KAT & Edwards is a good duo.
there's your classic Randle move -  
Del Shofner : 1/18/2022 8:06 pm : link
dribble into a double team and hand the ball to the other team
Randle out of control.  
bceagle05 : 1/18/2022 8:06 pm : link
He should not be playing entire quarters.
Randle being Randle.  
larryflower37 : 1/18/2022 8:07 pm : link
Sit him down please.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/18/2022 8:07 pm : link
Trade Randle. Good Lord.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/18/2022 8:08 pm : link
So sick of Randle. I'd much rather see Obi.
Bad 1st quarter  
larryflower37 : 1/18/2022 8:09 pm : link
1-8 from 3 and 8 turnovers.
Lucky they are only down 7.
RE: Randle out of control.  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 8:09 pm : link
In comment 15560149 bceagle05 said:
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He should not be playing entire quarters.


i dont know how he didnt see that double coming
RE: ...  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 8:10 pm : link
In comment 15560152 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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So sick of Randle. I'd much rather see Obi.


rather see Obi turn it over?
I am not a Randle hater -  
Del Shofner : 1/18/2022 8:10 pm : link
I am a 'point forward' hater if Randle is the 'point forward.' What part of basic basketball is Thibs not seeing here. This clearly doesn't work.
Just keep chucking 3s  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 8:13 pm : link
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RE: I am not a Randle hater -  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 8:13 pm : link
In comment 15560160 Del Shofner said:
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I am a 'point forward' hater if Randle is the 'point forward.' What part of basic basketball is Thibs not seeing here. This clearly doesn't work.


This is why i want to see what happens if they got a real point guard
Taj just to slow  
larryflower37 : 1/18/2022 8:16 pm : link
Against this lineup
Quickley continues to show why he is not a PG  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 8:18 pm : link
i like Quick but some kf his decisions are mind numbingly stupid
RE: Quickley continues to show why he is not a PG  
Del Shofner : 1/18/2022 8:23 pm : link
In comment 15560167 nygiants16 said:
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i like Quick but some kf his decisions are mind numbingly stupid


I've never seen Quick as a PG. He is an instant-offense but undersized 2. An NBA rotation player but somewhat situational.

Deuce is at least a PG. I know Thibs won't, but I'd play him if Kemba and Rose are both unavailable.
Barrett crashing down back to earth  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 8:25 pm : link
i mean come on what are you doing? you had two guys wide open pass the fricken ball..

and 2 missed free throws would of cut it to 4
Giving points away at the FT line.  
bceagle05 : 1/18/2022 8:25 pm : link
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My god can we go Obi and Randle please  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 8:29 pm : link
Gibson is giving the Wolves free points he cant move
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/18/2022 8:29 pm : link
Down double digits to the Wolves.

Oy vey.
Omg sit Rj  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 8:32 pm : link
this is ridiculous
We just need a few guys  
bceagle05 : 1/18/2022 8:32 pm : link
who can shoot or score or dribble, and we’ll be on our way.
RE: We just need a few guys  
larryflower37 : 1/18/2022 8:33 pm : link
In comment 15560182 bceagle05 said:
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who can shoot or score or dribble, and we’ll be on our way.


Maybe pass too
RJ is  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/18/2022 8:34 pm : link
lost right now.
RE: RJ is  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 8:34 pm : link
In comment 15560184 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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lost right now.


Jist pass the fricken ball you dint have to shoot it everytime you touch it
RE: RE: RJ is  
Mike in NJ : 1/18/2022 8:36 pm : link
In comment 15560185 nygiants16 said:
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lost right now.



Jist pass the fricken ball you dint have to shoot it everytime you touch it


The shot selection isn’t really the issue, he just has no idea what to do any time Beverly switches onto him defensively.
get off your knees ref  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 8:38 pm : link
your blowing the game
Knicks down 10 is a small miracle  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 8:45 pm : link
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Talent on this team  
five5 : 1/18/2022 8:54 pm : link
Randle is our best player and he would be the 4th best on the T’wolves. Also, the “young core” on the Knicks…folks on this site think it’s something special. Most teams have an IQ, Obi, McBride, Grimes,etc…. If you can acquire a legit starting PG that can run an offense you go it. There are folks on this site that wouldn’t include Grimes in such a deal. That’s comical. Mediocre talent equals about a .500 record. That’s what this team is
This is just brutal right now  
Stu11 : 1/18/2022 8:56 pm : link
Any time someone on this team wants to stay in front of someone on defense that would be wonderful. After yesterday's complete no show this is really disheartening. We're making 2 mediocre at best defending teams look like the bad boy Pistons because we have to be the easiest team in the NBA to guard.
RE: Talent on this team  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 9:03 pm : link
In comment 15560204 five5 said:
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Randle is our best player and he would be the 4th best on the T’wolves. Also, the “young core” on the Knicks…folks on this site think it’s something special. Most teams have an IQ, Obi, McBride, Grimes,etc…. If you can acquire a legit starting PG that can run an offense you go it. There are folks on this site that wouldn’t include Grimes in such a deal. That’s comical. Mediocre talent equals about a .500 record. That’s what this team is


Not a single person on this site has said the young guys are future stars
and the reason you dint trade Grimes  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 9:07 pm : link
is he is the oerfect fit next to a star, he is a shooter and plays defense, he is not a scorer
Randle is more interested in talking to the refs than actually playing  
Mike in NJ : 1/18/2022 9:09 pm : link
Guy needs to just worry about making his fucking shots instead of complaining
Grimes.  
five5 : 1/18/2022 9:10 pm : link
Stop. You can find Grimes everywhere in this league. And the G league.
Refs letting Beverly  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 9:12 pm : link
walk up during feee throws and distract shooters
RE: Grimes.  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 9:14 pm : link
In comment 15560218 five5 said:
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Stop. You can find Grimes everywhere in this league. And the G league.


You realize Grimes was a top 5 recruit and has more game than you think..

and Nobkdy said dont trade Grimes  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 9:15 pm : link
they said dont trade grimes for reddish
Mitch can do some things well  
Stu11 : 1/18/2022 9:17 pm : link
But he can't guard anyone and his basketball IQ is 0.0
Top 5 recruit  
five5 : 1/18/2022 9:19 pm : link
Out of high school. Since when does that guarantee anything in this league? He might develop into a nice rotational player. The Knicks aren’t about down the road. Not with this coach.
Fournier over 50% from 3  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 9:27 pm : link
last 6 games
Grimes must be reading BBI  
larryflower37 : 1/18/2022 9:28 pm : link
On the bench
Referees are killing  
larryflower37 : 1/18/2022 9:31 pm : link
This game.
Burks killing them  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 9:31 pm : link
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RE: Referees are killing  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 9:32 pm : link
In comment 15560236 larryflower37 said:
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This game.


Lol Randle got shoved 3 times on that 1 drive and they didnt call any of them
Quickley just dribbiling around for 24 seconds  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 9:35 pm : link
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RE: Quickley just dribbiling around for 24 seconds  
larryflower37 : 1/18/2022 9:36 pm : link
In comment 15560242 nygiants16 said:
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What the hell is he doing?
Dont play defense Knicks  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 9:36 pm : link
your not allowed
Refs just let the wolves  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 9:38 pm : link
go on a 9-0 run
2nd unit really misses Rose  
larryflower37 : 1/18/2022 9:38 pm : link
Quickley is a mess
Get Rj out  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 9:41 pm : link
not his night
RE: Get Rj out  
larryflower37 : 1/18/2022 9:46 pm : link
In comment 15560251 nygiants16 said:
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not his night


At this point who are you replacing him with?
Bench has been trash tonight
RE: RE: Get Rj out  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 9:48 pm : link
In comment 15560257 larryflower37 said:
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not his night



At this point who are you replacing him with?
Bench has been trash tonight


Id put Grimes in, play defense and at least space the floor..Kemba, Randle and Fournier are your scorers tonight
That's a bad call  
larryflower37 : 1/18/2022 9:50 pm : link
Mitch fouls out
man if only Kemba could stay healthy  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 9:54 pm : link
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Welcome back Kemba!  
larryflower37 : 1/18/2022 9:55 pm : link
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same twirp ref  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 9:57 pm : link
has called the same bs
Poor Obi.  
bceagle05 : 1/18/2022 9:58 pm : link
Just trade him already.
Refs once again deciding a game  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 10:00 pm : link
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RE: Refs once again deciding a game  
larryflower37 : 1/18/2022 10:03 pm : link
In comment 15560269 nygiants16 said:
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Yep
This is a horribly called game
For fucks sake Rj  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 10:05 pm : link
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Refs cost us this one  
larryflower37 : 1/18/2022 10:09 pm : link
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Go to Randle  
Vanzetti : 1/18/2022 10:11 pm : link
and let him pound the ball along the side
Knicks haven't making shots  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/18/2022 10:11 pm : link
down the stretch
this is why people boo you  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 10:11 pm : link
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Brilliant move by the T-Wolves  
BigBlue2007 : 1/18/2022 10:12 pm : link
fouling Randle. Everyone knows he'll miss one.
Randle chokes again!  
Chris L. : 1/18/2022 10:14 pm : link
what a surprise.
Russell just shoved Rj  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 10:14 pm : link
no call of course
RE: Russell just shoved Rj  
adamg : 1/18/2022 10:15 pm : link
In comment 15560283 nygiants16 said:
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no call of course


Motherfucker...
RE: Russell just shoved Rj  
BigBlue2007 : 1/18/2022 10:16 pm : link
In comment 15560283 nygiants16 said:
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no call of course


RJ just would of missed the free throws anyway. This team is dreadful.
Burks had Kemba wide open  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 10:16 pm : link
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Choke artist central tonight  
adamg : 1/18/2022 10:17 pm : link
Burks needs to give that to Kemba
How many time is this team gonna smash their  
robbieballs2003 : 1/18/2022 10:17 pm : link
heads into the wall before we realize the doorway is better?
I wish this team would  
Chris L. : 1/18/2022 10:18 pm : link
just trade Randle. You are never gonna win with this guy. Always comes up super small in big spots.
RE: Choke artist central tonight  
Vanzetti : 1/18/2022 10:20 pm : link
In comment 15560289 adamg said:
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Burks needs to give that to Kemba


Great game by Burks tonight. Does anyone other than Thibs think he can guard PGs?
Its laughable how  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 10:20 pm : link
when a player gets hot they dont touch the ball for 2 or 3 possessions..

Zero reason the ball should not have been in Kembas hands every possession..

Refs were dreadful..

Rj with 2 terrible games turning the ball over, ball should of never been in his hands though..

RE: I wish this team would  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 10:21 pm : link
In comment 15560295 Chris L. said:
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just trade Randle. You are never gonna win with this guy. Always comes up super small in big spots.


He missed the free throw yes, but if you think he was the reason they lost then you werent watching..

He also made a great pass on the play that would of been a wide open 3
55 foul calls tonight  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 10:28 pm : link
dear lord
RE: RE: I wish this team would  
BigBlue2007 : 1/18/2022 10:28 pm : link
In comment 15560300 nygiants16 said:
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just trade Randle. You are never gonna win with this guy. Always comes up super small in big spots.



He missed the free throw yes, but if you think he was the reason they lost then you werent watching..

He also made a great pass on the play that would of been a wide open 3


The problem with Randle is he always misses big free throws.
RE: 55 foul calls tonight  
BigBlue2007 : 1/18/2022 10:29 pm : link
In comment 15560306 nygiants16 said:
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dear lord


NBA officials specialize in deciding games and grinding them to a halt.
RJ with back  
Enzo : 1/18/2022 10:32 pm : link
to back awful games. More turnovers than made shots tonight. That's hard to do! Kill Randle all you want for the missed free throw, but this was one of his better games. Quick and Obi have had their ups and downs but this team is going nowhere. May as well give them more minutes.
RE: RJ with back  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 10:36 pm : link
In comment 15560314 Enzo said:
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to back awful games. More turnovers than made shots tonight. That's hard to do! Kill Randle all you want for the missed free throw, but this was one of his better games. Quick and Obi have had their ups and downs but this team is going nowhere. May as well give them more minutes.


Rose needs to save Thibs from himself and trade some of the vets he relies on..

I like Burks and he is clutch at times but to many of games like tonight..

Gibson was awful tonight and then bkth centers foul out and you still dont give Obi a chance? i mean come on..

Either trade some guys for draft picks or try and make a bigger trade..as crazy as it is there is to much depth on this team
I really don't think Thibs is getting the most out of this roster.  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/18/2022 10:49 pm : link
And if this is a .500 team going nowhere, what's the point of relying on players like Burks?

Burks, Randle, RJ, Rose and to an extent Gibson and Quickley can do whatever they want on the court, make mistake after mistake, show no effort, and yet still get their minutes, while the other players have to play on egg shells. Good coaches make an example out of the best player to set the tone, apparently Thibs doesn't believe in that.
RE: I really don't think Thibs is getting the most out of this roster.  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 10:51 pm : link
In comment 15560328 Jim in Hoboken said:
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And if this is a .500 team going nowhere, what's the point of relying on players like Burks?

Burks, Randle, RJ, Rose and to an extent Gibson and Quickley can do whatever they want on the court, make mistake after mistake, show no effort, and yet still get their minutes, while the other players have to play on egg shells. Good coaches make an example out of the best player to set the tone, apparently Thibs doesn't believe in that.


so who do you think should of been benched tonight?
So Fucking aggravated  
djm : 1/18/2022 10:55 pm : link
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Bench has really been struggiling  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2022 11:25 pm : link
Really miss Rose and Reddish could of helped tonight..

Will be interesting how Thibs gets Reddish minutes
RE: Bench has really been struggiling  
Mike in NJ : 1/18/2022 11:47 pm : link
In comment 15560347 nygiants16 said:
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Really miss Rose and Reddish could of helped tonight..

Will be interesting how Thibs gets Reddish minutes


I don’t know but I wish it could be done by benching Burks, he hasn’t been good most of the time this year. He’s no more of a point guard than Quickley, so let IQ play the backup point and then let Reddish take the minutes Burks was getting.

A bench unit of Quickley, Grimes, Reddish, Toppin, Noel would be intriguing.
Well last night sucked but there were aome positives  
nygiants16 : 1/19/2022 7:50 am : link
Kemba looked like he didnt miss a beat, getting into the lane, creating for others, made some big 3s...I would argue the ball should of been in his hands a lot more down the stretch, dont understsnd why they didnt run pick and roll right at Towns every time down..

Fournier was fantastic and everyone jokes only against Boston but thats not true, last 15 games he is averaging 17 a night 55% shooting and the highest net rating on the team..Mkssed a couple of wide open 3s in the 4th but he was awesome last night on both ends..

Randle was good last night, yeah we see the missed free throw but he was good last night and even on that play he made a great pass to a wide open burks...Need it every night..

I am not going to absolutely kill Rj but he was horrendous last night, 7 turnovers only 2 assists and forced some terrible shots. There needs to be a moment where he says alright not my night and get out of the way of Kemba, Randle and Fournier. Go play defense and rebound. I would of put Grimes in the 4th but i know that Thibs couldnt do it with the way Rj has played the past 10 games..

The bench needs to wake up, the starters did their job, they were all a + except for Rj, the bench were all a minus. Desperetly miss Rose he is their calming factor, quickoey just dribbles into oblivion..

Thjbs has decisions to make because you got to find at minimum 25 minutes a night for Reddish, Burks and Quickley are both struggiling, we know he loves Grimes, Toppin is on the fringe..Does a trade alleviate the glut or does Thibs bench some guys?
How about this 3 team  
nygiants16 : 1/19/2022 8:01 am : link
Philly gets Randle, Quickley, Hield and Barnes

Knicks get Fox and bagley

Kings get Harris and Simmons

Obviously draft picks involved going to philly
RE: How about this 3 team  
GNewGiants : 1/19/2022 8:39 am : link
In comment 15560430 nygiants16 said:
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Philly gets Randle, Quickley, Hield and Barnes

Knicks get Fox and bagley

Kings get Harris and Simmons

Obviously draft picks involved going to philly


Kings are giving up a lot for a guy who won’t want to be there. Simmons isn’t vaccinated either so California may not be an option unless I’m missing something?
Knicks really miss Rose  
Stu11 : 1/19/2022 9:09 am : link
In games like Monday and last night where we start so slow he comes in off the bench and usually gives us a boost right away with some driving buckets. Hope he's back soon.
Missed Free Throws  
JohninSC : 1/19/2022 9:36 am : link
and Turnovers. That's why we lost the game.
Kings putting Fox  
nygiants16 : 1/19/2022 9:48 am : link
in trade talks for Sabonis, i dont get why the Pacers would want Fox though
Barrett continues to be mostly all or nothing  
Greg from LI : 1/19/2022 9:49 am : link
On most nights, he's either terrific or he's awful. He's still pretty young, but this has not changed at all since day 1.
RE: Barrett continues to be mostly all or nothing  
nygiants16 : 1/19/2022 9:58 am : link
In comment 15560589 Greg from LI said:
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On most nights, he's either terrific or he's awful. He's still pretty young, but this has not changed at all since day 1.


Its frustrating because last night Knicks didnt need his offense, just move the ball, play d and rebound, thats it, if you get an open shot take it..

Burks has not played well  
Enzo : 1/19/2022 10:12 am : link
and has been ice cold for a while and RJ had that recent stretch of good games, but all the stats show Burks as the better player this year.
PER: Burks - 14.6, RJ - 12.9
TS%: Burks - .551, RJ - .515
WS/48: Burks - .133 , RJ - .041
BPM: Burks - 0.9, RJ - (-2.0)

RJ has simply not been good for most of this season. I don't know what his value is around the league, but I'm not against trading him in the right deal. Especially considering he's extension eligible sooner rather than later.
RE: How about this 3 team  
Mike in NJ : 1/19/2022 10:14 am : link
In comment 15560430 nygiants16 said:
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Philly gets Randle, Quickley, Hield and Barnes

Knicks get Fox and bagley

Kings get Harris and Simmons

Obviously draft picks involved going to philly


I don't have any interest in Fox, I would much rather they pursue Brunson. They will have to give up fewer assets, and he will cost a little more than half as much as the 35ish mil that Fox is making. I also think Brunson is the better PG.
RE: How about this 3 team  
Enzo : 1/19/2022 10:26 am : link
In comment 15560430 nygiants16 said:
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Philly gets Randle, Quickley, Hield and Barnes

Knicks get Fox and bagley

Kings get Harris and Simmons

Obviously draft picks involved going to philly

even the good version of Randle might not be the best fit with Embiid.

Randomly, I do like the idea of taking a chance on Bagley. There will probably be an opportunity to get him at some point either via trade or free agency.
RE: RE: How about this 3 team  
nygiants16 : 1/19/2022 11:05 am : link
In comment 15560639 Mike in NJ said:
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In comment 15560430 nygiants16 said:


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Philly gets Randle, Quickley, Hield and Barnes

Knicks get Fox and bagley

Kings get Harris and Simmons

Obviously draft picks involved going to philly



I don't have any interest in Fox, I would much rather they pursue Brunson. They will have to give up fewer assets, and he will cost a little more than half as much as the 35ish mil that Fox is making. I also think Brunson is the better PG.


Would love Brunson but just feel they will end up with Fox
RE: Barrett continues to be mostly all or nothing  
djm : 1/19/2022 11:12 am : link
In comment 15560589 Greg from LI said:
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On most nights, he's either terrific or he's awful. He's still pretty young, but this has not changed at all since day 1.


Yea can I take back my turning into a star comment or at least amend it to say he's slowly (very slowly) turning into a star? and by slowly I mean it's not linear and can be quite annoying to watch.

I am trying to just keep my expectations in check and cautiously assume this team finds its way to 46 wins or so and the young players take steps forward, even if not linear steps forward.

I have been saying all along it's time for that 2-1 type deal where we give up some quantity but get back a star.

They played hard last night but played foolishly as well. Keep playing hard and the wins should follow. Tough stretch coming up tho.
Crazy Knicks were 24-27 at one point last year  
nygiants16 : 1/19/2022 12:15 pm : link
and we all look at last year a lot more positively than this year, crazy how expectations distors our view on a team
RE: Crazy Knicks were 24-27 at one point last year  
CooperDash : 1/19/2022 12:40 pm : link
In comment 15560910 nygiants16 said:
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and we all look at last year a lot more positively than this year, crazy how expectations distors our view on a team


Yeah, but the situations are different. Last year was a pleasant surprise.

Everyone pegged this as a bad team, so the success they had (combined with Randle's great season) had everyone thinking very positively about the team.

This season, fans are now expecting the team to take the next step and continue to improve - but that really hasn't been the case. So it's a bit of a let down, even if their record is slightly better or the same (for now).
I think RJ's biggest problem right now is that when he has a bad  
Stu11 : 1/19/2022 1:36 pm : link
shooting night his whole game goes downhill. The turnovers and sloppy play pile up and he even loses concentration on the defensive end. The stars in the league have off shooting nights, but they don't let it affect the rest of their game and they find other ways to contribute and help they're team win. RJ's overall game is still too attached to his shooting.
RJ is 21  
adamg : 1/19/2022 2:02 pm : link
He needs to mature as a player still. No reason to doubt it will come with time at this point. I'd like to see him continue to shoot more efficiently going forward.

I actually wasn't too offput by last night's loss. We played like shit for the most part and were never out of it and likely would have won if Burks hits Kemba for that last second three. Bring in Brunson and we'll be cooking. Jmo.
If Burks is playing like shit  
Mike from SI : 1/19/2022 2:05 pm : link
can we give McBride some run? We know he'll be a dog on defense.
Everyone keeps saying Burks should have passed to Kemba there  
Stu11 : 1/19/2022 2:13 pm : link
Are you guys joking? Burks gets the ball off a scramble with a few seconds left and he was wide open. He's gonna look to pass there? There's no way anyone is gonna have the presence of mind there to pass not knowing how much they me is left.
RE: Everyone keeps saying Burks should have passed to Kemba there  
adamg : 1/19/2022 2:14 pm : link
In comment 15561131 Stu11 said:
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Are you guys joking? Burks gets the ball off a scramble with a few seconds left and he was wide open. He's gonna look to pass there? There's no way anyone is gonna have the presence of mind there to pass not knowing how much they me is left.


He wasn't wide open. Kemba was totally uncontested.
Stu  
five5 : 1/19/2022 2:21 pm : link
Agree with you 100%...Burks hasn't been good lately but let's not get on him for that last second shot. Noone has the wherewithal to make that pass in that situation.
RE: Burks has not played well  
Mike in NJ : 1/19/2022 2:31 pm : link
In comment 15560630 Enzo said:
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and has been ice cold for a while and RJ had that recent stretch of good games, but all the stats show Burks as the better player this year.
PER: Burks - 14.6, RJ - 12.9
TS%: Burks - .551, RJ - .515
WS/48: Burks - .133 , RJ - .041
BPM: Burks - 0.9, RJ - (-2.0)

RJ has simply not been good for most of this season. I don't know what his value is around the league, but I'm not against trading him in the right deal. Especially considering he's extension eligible sooner rather than later.


The reason that you don't trade RJ is because he is 21 years old, and regularly shows flashes of star potential. Yes he is inconsistent, but the hope is as he matures as a player the off nights become less frequent.

For comparisons sake here are RJ's numbers, and because it's a player he has often been compared to, DeMar DeRozan's at the same stage in their career (third season):

PER: DeRozan - 12.8, RJ - 12.9
TS%: DeRozan - .503, RJ - .515
WS/48: DeRozan - .054 , RJ - .041
BPM: DeRozan - (-0.4), RJ - (-2.0)

Very close, and RJ is a year younger at this stage than DeRozan was. DeRozan continued to improve in year 4, and by year 5 was an All-Star. Not far fetched at all to think RJ can follow a similar path.



RE: Stu  
Stu11 : 1/19/2022 2:49 pm : link
In comment 15561147 five5 said:
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Agree with you 100%...Burks hasn't been good lately but let's not get on him for that last second shot. Noone has the wherewithal to make that pass in that situation.

Just looked at it again. Ok Burks wasn't wide open but it was a good look with Beverly to his side. Kemba appears to be open but Vanderbilt was coming out towards him and by the time he caught and shot it I'm sure Vanderbilt would have been there.
I think Burks has a place on a good team  
nygiants16 : 1/19/2022 3:12 pm : link
but i think Thibs relies on him to much to playmake, when he is off the ball and can just be 3 and d he is fine..He shouldnt be in to playmake though..

You saw a glimpse of what the Knicks can look like with a legit point on the court, when Kemba is playing well this team is very good, when he isnt they are average at best..

You are also seeing the fall off of the bench with no Rose
Last 2 minite report came out  
nygiants16 : 1/19/2022 4:11 pm : link
Refs missed 3 calls, a Towns foul on the Fournier turnover..

Towns should of been called for an offensive foul before Randle fouled him..

and Russell pushed Rj which should of been a foul and 2 free throws..

and of course the Refs decided the game
RE: Last 2 minite report came out  
adamg : 1/19/2022 4:14 pm : link
In comment 15561296 nygiants16 said:
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Refs missed 3 calls, a Towns foul on the Fournier turnover..

Towns should of been called for an offensive foul before Randle fouled him..

and Russell pushed Rj which should of been a foul and 2 free throws..

and of course the Refs decided the game


Wow. Three bad calls against the Knicks in a 2 point game? Brutal. Refs fucked up big time.
Even last night  
adamg : 1/19/2022 4:15 pm : link
I think we manage to hit 3 out of 6 FTs...
Enough with  
five5 : 1/19/2022 4:18 pm : link
the officials. Good teams find ways to overcome bad officiating. The Knicks are who they are. A borderline playoff team that will need to catch some breaks to get into the play in games.
RE: Enough with  
adamg : 1/19/2022 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15561304 five5 said:
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the officials. Good teams find ways to overcome bad officiating. The Knicks are who they are. A borderline playoff team that will need to catch some breaks to get into the play in games.


We were the better team yesterday. We had a bad game. It happens. And we're short our most important player.
RE: Enough with  
nygiants16 : 1/19/2022 4:24 pm : link
In comment 15561304 five5 said:
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the officials. Good teams find ways to overcome bad officiating. The Knicks are who they are. A borderline playoff team that will need to catch some breaks to get into the play in games.


Kind of hard to overcome 3 calls that changed the game, Knicks would of had 6 free throws off those fouls in a game they were up 1 before the Kat and 1..

Yeah they changed the game..
RE: Last 2 minite report came out  
Enzo : 1/19/2022 4:58 pm : link
In comment 15561296 nygiants16 said:
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Refs missed 3 calls, a Towns foul on the Fournier turnover..

Towns should of been called for an offensive foul before Randle fouled him..

and Russell pushed Rj which should of been a foul and 2 free throws..

and of course the Refs decided the game

the first one looked bad in real time to me. The other two weren't what I'd call egregious. The worst, IMO, was the 6th foul on Mitch.
RE: RE: Burks has not played well  
Enzo : 1/19/2022 5:04 pm : link
In comment 15561169 Mike in NJ said:
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In comment 15560630 Enzo said:


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and has been ice cold for a while and RJ had that recent stretch of good games, but all the stats show Burks as the better player this year.
PER: Burks - 14.6, RJ - 12.9
TS%: Burks - .551, RJ - .515
WS/48: Burks - .133 , RJ - .041
BPM: Burks - 0.9, RJ - (-2.0)

RJ has simply not been good for most of this season. I don't know what his value is around the league, but I'm not against trading him in the right deal. Especially considering he's extension eligible sooner rather than later.



The reason that you don't trade RJ is because he is 21 years old, and regularly shows flashes of star potential. Yes he is inconsistent, but the hope is as he matures as a player the off nights become less frequent.

For comparisons sake here are RJ's numbers, and because it's a player he has often been compared to, DeMar DeRozan's at the same stage in their career (third season):

PER: DeRozan - 12.8, RJ - 12.9
TS%: DeRozan - .503, RJ - .515
WS/48: DeRozan - .054 , RJ - .041
BPM: DeRozan - (-0.4), RJ - (-2.0)

Very close, and RJ is a year younger at this stage than DeRozan was. DeRozan continued to improve in year 4, and by year 5 was an All-Star. Not far fetched at all to think RJ can follow a similar path.

Sure it's possible he ascends into an all-star caliber wing, but DeRozan is not the guy I'd be looking to for a comparison. First of all, DeRozan is pretty much an outlier in the modern NBA in terms of how he plays. Also, even in his first few season, DeRozan was pretty good in the mid-range and at the free throw line. RJ is pretty bad at both.

Hopefully RJ can develop into a more consistent outsider shooter. If so, he likley has a good career. But in watching him I see below average athleticism, instincts, and ability to improvise on the floor. I don't think he becomes a star. Hope I'm wrong.
According to shams  
nygiants16 : 1/19/2022 5:04 pm : link
Kings informed Fox they are not shopping him
.  
adamg : 1/19/2022 6:09 pm : link
Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
The Sacramento Kings organization has a current mindset: They are not moving star guard De’Aaron Fox and want to center team around Fox and second-year guard Tyrese Haliburton, sources say.
Jalen Brunson come on down!  
adamg : 1/19/2022 6:10 pm : link
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RE: .  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/19/2022 7:11 pm : link
In comment 15561446 adamg said:
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Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
The Sacramento Kings organization has a current mindset: They are not moving star guard De’Aaron Fox and want to center team around Fox and second-year guard Tyrese Haliburton, sources say.


I like Haliburton, from what I've seen of him. Fox is a keeper obviously.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/19/2022 7:56 pm : link
Watching 76ers Magic; Mo Bamba is killing it from 3...now 5 from 6.
Mo Bamba...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/19/2022 8:04 pm : link
28 points in first half. WTF is going on?
NBA admits to hosing Knicks  
BigBlueShock : 1/19/2022 8:25 pm : link
Great. Thanks for nothing, assholes.
NBA admits to missing 3 late calls in loss to TWolves - ( New Window )
Good Lord.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/19/2022 8:32 pm : link
Embiid is a beast.
Embiid.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/19/2022 8:47 pm : link
Good God.
RE: RE: RE: Burks has not played well  
Mike from SI : 1/19/2022 11:15 pm : link
In comment 15561367 Enzo said:
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In comment 15561169 Mike in NJ said:


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In comment 15560630 Enzo said:


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and has been ice cold for a while and RJ had that recent stretch of good games, but all the stats show Burks as the better player this year.
PER: Burks - 14.6, RJ - 12.9
TS%: Burks - .551, RJ - .515
WS/48: Burks - .133 , RJ - .041
BPM: Burks - 0.9, RJ - (-2.0)

RJ has simply not been good for most of this season. I don't know what his value is around the league, but I'm not against trading him in the right deal. Especially considering he's extension eligible sooner rather than later.



The reason that you don't trade RJ is because he is 21 years old, and regularly shows flashes of star potential. Yes he is inconsistent, but the hope is as he matures as a player the off nights become less frequent.

For comparisons sake here are RJ's numbers, and because it's a player he has often been compared to, DeMar DeRozan's at the same stage in their career (third season):

PER: DeRozan - 12.8, RJ - 12.9
TS%: DeRozan - .503, RJ - .515
WS/48: DeRozan - .054 , RJ - .041
BPM: DeRozan - (-0.4), RJ - (-2.0)

Very close, and RJ is a year younger at this stage than DeRozan was. DeRozan continued to improve in year 4, and by year 5 was an All-Star. Not far fetched at all to think RJ can follow a similar path.


Sure it's possible he ascends into an all-star caliber wing, but DeRozan is not the guy I'd be looking to for a comparison. First of all, DeRozan is pretty much an outlier in the modern NBA in terms of how he plays. Also, even in his first few season, DeRozan was pretty good in the mid-range and at the free throw line. RJ is pretty bad at both.

Hopefully RJ can develop into a more consistent outsider shooter. If so, he likley has a good career. But in watching him I see below average athleticism, instincts, and ability to improvise on the floor. I don't think he becomes a star. Hope I'm wrong.


I hate having to cape for RJ, and I do it too much on this site, so quickly
- He has average (not-below average) NBA athleticism. His biggest (scoring) problem is finishing at the bucket over much bigger players. Countless players in the NBA consistently jump over those guys. RJ cannot. But he still has decent athleticism: look at how high he got on the game winning shot, or how he looks on some of his dunks. Half the league can't do that, at least.
- His ability to improvise is fine. A lot of his layups are actually really difficult shots. He's also using the turn-around and mid-range floater a bit more, which makes up for his average athleticism.
- His instincts are good in some areas but poor in others, such as off-the-ball defense and dealing with double-teams on offense. These instincts can develop! It's harder to teach his on-the-ball defense, or even shooting potential, and his work ethic.

For the millionth time, give the kid a chance. His absolute floor is starting 3 and D player.
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