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If you want DJ gone next year, who's your replacement?

shadow_spinner0 : 1/18/2022 7:21 pm
Seeing way too many post that people want DJ gone. That next year doesn't make a difference for him and he should be gone. That we'll save money on a salary hit. Looking at FA, guys like Trubisky, Bridgwater, Winston, Marriota, Brissett are available. Do we have the money to sign any of them?

Do you feel comfortable in drafting any of the QB'S? Pickett, Corrall, Willis, Howell ect.. Personally I prefer Corrall out of the top group coming out this year.

Do you think they should just ride out DJ for 1 more year then draft another QB in 2023?
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Considering he's under contract for next year...  
bluewave : 1/18/2022 7:23 pm : link
Makes no sense. I want to see the kid play under a competent offense with a rebuilt OL.
2022  
shocktheworld : 1/18/2022 7:29 pm : link
is going to be a hellish cap year for the Jints..they almost have no choice BUT to start Jones and hope the new coaching staff has a plan for him. The kid has talent, so we can always hope a Daboll or someone like him can unlock the puzzle..

If Daboll is hired  
hd9009 : 1/18/2022 7:29 pm : link
Why can’t he make something of DJ like he did Allan?
RE: If Daboll is hired  
BleedBlue : 1/18/2022 7:30 pm : link
In comment 15560063 hd9009 said:
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Why can’t he make something of DJ like he did Allan?


wouldnt hold my breathe but its possible...

imagine terps head if jones turns it around under daboll. LOL
.  
Go Terps : 1/18/2022 7:31 pm : link
Option 1: Draft one of Corral or Pickett
Option 2: Draft one of Ridder, Willis, Strong, Howell in round 2 or 3
Option 3: Draft one of Zappe, McKee, or another late prospect

Combine the pick with signing one or two FAs. If the rookie is up to it, start him. If not, go with one of the FAs.

Lots of viable optios available.
Matt Corral is the selection at #5  
M.S. : 1/18/2022 7:31 pm : link

IMO.
RE: If Daboll is hired  
j_rud : 1/18/2022 7:32 pm : link
In comment 15560063 hd9009 said:
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Why can’t he make something of DJ like he did Allan?


Because he's a football coach and not a physioneurogenetic reanimator.
RE: If Daboll is hired  
Adirondack GMen : 1/18/2022 7:33 pm : link
In comment 15560063 hd9009 said:
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Why can’t he make something of DJ like he did Allan?


He’s a head coach not Rumpelstiltskin!
RE: If Daboll is hired  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/18/2022 7:33 pm : link
In comment 15560063 hd9009 said:
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Why can’t he make something of DJ like he did Allan?


Because DJ isn't in the same league as Allen. The 'Daniel Jones is a top flight QB' is quite the hill to die on.
i'd take Mariota  
Scooter185 : 1/18/2022 7:34 pm : link
on a 1 yr deal and trade Jones.

I don't see DJ surviving the departure of 2 HCs (and even his best year couldn't save PS) and a GM, especially with the new GM not being KA.

With DJ on the roster, the pressure to develop/fix him is going to weigh on the new staff, a pressure that won't exist with a journeyman stop-gap.
RE: .  
Spider56 : 1/18/2022 7:35 pm : link
In comment 15560072 Go Terps said:
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Option 1: Draft one of Corral or Pickett
Option 2: Draft one of Ridder, Willis, Strong, Howell in round 2 or 3
Option 3: Draft one of Zappe, McKee, or another late prospect

Combine the pick with signing one or two FAs. If the rookie is up to it, start him. If not, go with one of the FAs.

Lots of viable optios available.


I’m thinking the OP meant smart options, that would actually help the team.
Willis on day 2 of the draft  
adamg : 1/18/2022 7:39 pm : link
Marriota in FA

Trade Jones for a pick.
Michael Glennon  
eric2425ny : 1/18/2022 7:39 pm : link
he’s got a strong arm.
Jones played well as a rookie for schumer  
kelly : 1/18/2022 7:39 pm : link
I think Jones would do best on a team that emphasizes play action pass.

Of course this will require an overhaul of the OL.

I think there are quarterback needy teams that would give up at least a 2nd for Jones.

Put Jones on a good offensive team and he is a top 15 quarterback. Better than Mayfield for example.

There just aren't many great quarterbacks out there. Good luck finding one.
On the Jones side...  
bw in dc : 1/18/2022 7:40 pm : link
I look for a trading partner and basically take anything the market forks over. We instantly save $8M in cap costs. If no partner is found, we cut Jones and accelerate the cap hit. After three years, the Jones experiment has largely failed.

I have NO problem drafting Pickett, Willis or Ridder. Each at different places in the draft. Probably from pick 15/RD1 and down. I would very likely sit him YR1.

I then would consider a 1-year lease with an option to buy with Derek Carr if we could trade for him. At best, a second-round pick compensation and pay the last year of his contract - $20M. If he works, maybe give him another one-year deal. But I would hope the QB I drafted in 2022, is ready to go in 2023.

RE: 2022  
eric2425ny : 1/18/2022 7:40 pm : link
In comment 15560062 shocktheworld said:
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is going to be a hellish cap year for the Jints..they almost have no choice BUT to start Jones and hope the new coaching staff has a plan for him. The kid has talent, so we can always hope a Daboll or someone like him can unlock the puzzle..


Lol, unfortunately the puzzle is more like a Rubik’s cube with Jones.
Daniel any new could go to the Rams  
CV36 : 1/18/2022 7:47 pm : link
And he wouldnt be a top 25 QB
RE: DJ could go to the Rams  
CV36 : 1/18/2022 7:53 pm : link
In comment 15560115 CV36 said:
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And he wouldnt be a top 25 QB
RE: RE: If Daboll is hired  
Keaton028 : 1/18/2022 7:59 pm : link
In comment 15560077 j_rud said:
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In comment 15560063 hd9009 said:


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Why can’t he make something of DJ like he did Allan?



Because he's a football coach and not a physioneurogenetic reanimator.


LOL!
RE: Daniel any new could go to the Rams  
Strahan91 : 1/18/2022 8:01 pm : link
In comment 15560115 CV36 said:
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And he wouldnt be a top 25 QB

McVay went to the SB with Goff as his qb. Surely he could get Ryan Tannehill-esque play from Jones
RE: RE: Daniel any new could go to the Rams  
PakistanPete : 1/18/2022 8:04 pm : link
In comment 15560138 Strahan91 said:
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McVay went to the SB with Goff as his qb. Surely he could get Ryan Tannehill-esque play from Jones


Yeah. I don't think any sensible fans doubts this.
I’m not in DJ’s camp, AT ALL  
Saos1n : 1/18/2022 8:04 pm : link
But finding his replacement is imperative in 2022. Let him play and look towards the following year if he doesn’t show he can be the guy

Just because some of us don’t believe in him long term, doesn’t mean we have to move on immediately.
The same guy I wanted to replace Eli  
ron mexico : 1/18/2022 8:08 pm : link
Fitzmagic.

Seriously though, we should bring in one of a half dozen available vets if we don’t love a guy in the draft.
Draft your favorite prospect in rounds 1 or 2  
UConn4523 : 1/18/2022 8:09 pm : link
and sign an experienced vet who can actually play if needed. Not going to lock myself into stating which prospect I want, don’t really care, not my job to know which guy is the best.
The Jones debate  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/18/2022 8:12 pm : link
is moot at this point. I dont think there is any chance that a new regime is going to hitch their wagon to Jones even for a season.

A vet will likely be signed and/or they will draft a QB.

I don't expect Jones will even be on the team.
Would wait to see what experienced vets are going to  
Jimmy Googs : 1/18/2022 8:20 pm : link
shake loose. Would be very interested in something as high as a Derek Carr to as low as Gardner Minshew but I would make sure that I put somebody on the roster that has PLAYED AND WON a few NFL games in the last few years on the roster.

We have sucked at Starting QB for years but do we really need to be the poster child for worst backup QBs too?

Then would be ready to trade back into back half of Rd 1 or hold out until second round and possibly grab another QB in the draft based on what happens first above in Free Agency.

Jones can be traded for a pick or held back as the backup based on the options taken above...
RE: I’m not in DJ’s camp, AT ALL  
Saos1n : 1/18/2022 8:21 pm : link
In comment 15560145 Saos1n said:
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But finding his replacement is imperative in 2022. Let him play and look towards the following year if he doesn’t show he can be the guy

Just because some of us don’t believe in him long term, doesn’t mean we have to move on immediately.


* isn’t imperative
Count me in the keep him around  
BigBlueBuff : 1/18/2022 8:43 pm : link
because he's cheap group of posters. I really don't want the Giants wasting resources on a retread quarterback. They need to focus on fixing the lines and keeping their powder dry for 2023.
RE: Count me in the keep him around  
bw in dc : 1/18/2022 8:47 pm : link
In comment 15560193 BigBlueBuff said:
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because he's cheap group of posters. I really don't want the Giants wasting resources on a retread quarterback. They need to focus on fixing the lines and keeping their powder dry for 2023.


What's so special about 2023?
It all depends  
Jay on the Island : 1/18/2022 8:51 pm : link
on what the Giants do in the draft and who their new HC is. Let's assume Schoen is hired as GM with Daboll coming aboard to be the new HC.

If the Giants draft a QB in round 1, Pickett or Willis, then I would look to trade Jones and then sign Mitchell Trubisky to a 1 year deal as a stopgap. If Willis is the pick I would also sign Colt McCoy to serve as Trubisky's backup which would allow Willis to sit the entire season if needed while also being an excellent mentor for Willis.

If the Giants do not want any of the QB's in the draft then I would sign Mariota to compete with Jones for the starting job. If Jones isn't able to play next season because of his neck then I would also sign Trubisky to compete with Mariota for the starting job.
RE: Jones played well as a rookie for schumer  
EricJ : 1/18/2022 9:00 pm : link
In comment 15560097 kelly said:
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??


Amy or Chuck?
RE: Jones played well as a rookie for schumer  
Producer : 1/18/2022 9:02 pm : link
In comment 15560097 kelly said:
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I think Jones would do best on a team that emphasizes play action pass.

Of course this will require an overhaul of the OL.

I think there are quarterback needy teams that would give up at least a 2nd for Jones.

Put Jones on a good offensive team and he is a top 15 quarterback. Better than Mayfield for example.

There just aren't many great quarterbacks out there. Good luck finding one.


Jones a top 15 qb?
Jones better than Mayfield?

Both dubious propositions.
I’m ok with Jones  
cjac : 1/18/2022 9:02 pm : link
Being the 2022 QB

Then draft his replacement in 2023
RE: If Daboll is hired  
SirLoinOfBeef : 1/18/2022 9:11 pm : link
In comment 15560063 hd9009 said:
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Why can’t he make something of DJ like he did Allan?


Because Allen has talent. Doesn't grow on trees.
I cant believe what I'm reading  
mattlawson : 1/18/2022 9:19 pm : link
about drafting a QB this year at 5. Holy fucking shit.

Did you all forget what happened this year? Have you seen the OL try to play football? That DJ was able to do ANYTHING this year and win some games was a miracle. If the pick order isn't OL and Edge this will be a catastrophically bad opportunity missed
RE: I cant believe what I'm reading  
Producer : 1/18/2022 9:21 pm : link
In comment 15560229 mattlawson said:
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about drafting a QB this year at 5. Holy fucking shit.

Did you all forget what happened this year? Have you seen the OL try to play football? That DJ was able to do ANYTHING this year and win some games was a miracle. If the pick order isn't OL and Edge this will be a catastrophically bad opportunity missed


Jones isn't good. That's the main reason he can't do anything.
What team  
Pork Chop : 1/18/2022 9:23 pm : link
would trade anything for Jones? I'm for keeping him for 2022 because there are bigger holes in the boat than QB. But given performance and injuries, what team would give up anything north of a 6th rounder for him before next summer?
RE: RE: I cant believe what I'm reading  
eric2425ny : 1/18/2022 9:41 pm : link
In comment 15560230 Producer said:
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In comment 15560229 mattlawson said:


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about drafting a QB this year at 5. Holy fucking shit.

Did you all forget what happened this year? Have you seen the OL try to play football? That DJ was able to do ANYTHING this year and win some games was a miracle. If the pick order isn't OL and Edge this will be a catastrophically bad opportunity missed



Jones isn't good. That's the main reason he can't do anything.


It’s honestly a combination. Jones is not good, but you can’t expect a promising young QB that they draft this year or next to function behind a crappy line either so I get Matt’s point.

I’ve been beating this drum for weeks now, but I still think the best approach is to play Jones in 2022, go line heavy in this draft, let that line gel in 2022. In 2023 we draft our next QB and he has a competent line to play behind. Think back when Eli came in and our line was almost intact. We then went out in 2005 FA and got McKenzie and the rest is history.
I like Marcus Mariota  
CardinalX : 1/18/2022 9:45 pm : link
He was on a 3.5 million contract this year with the Raiders.

I honestly had more confidence in him than either Fromm or Glennon and maybe even DJ.

We have to realistically look at we have NO QB options at this point. DJ may never play another down again.
Carson strong from Nevada, This guy is going to shoot  
MartyNJ1969 : 1/18/2022 9:45 pm : link
up draft board. Very smart and has a strong accurate arm
Trade for DeShaun Watson....  
riceneggs : 1/18/2022 9:50 pm : link
I'd give the Texans a (1) and a (3) this year, plus a (1) next year for DeShaun Watson

I'd keep DJ next for next year since he'll have to start the 1st 4-6 games while Watson is suspended

Then we'd have a top 7 QB plus a decent backup

After next year, DJ can resign as a backup or try his luck elsewhere
You cannot force a QB pick  
jvm52106 : 1/18/2022 9:52 pm : link
Just because you hate Jones. I believe Jones is done too but I do not see a QB worth picking in top 10 or even 15 of the draft.

First things first- the cap and FA then go from there.
fix the offensive line, get a serviceable TE and  
Rory : 1/18/2022 9:52 pm : link
then evaluate Jones and make that decision next season.

But make sure you get a legitimate backup
RE: Considering he's under contract for next year...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/18/2022 9:59 pm : link
In comment 15560049 bluewave said:
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Makes no sense. I want to see the kid play under a competent offense with a rebuilt OL.


They're not going to rebuild the OL in one year. Even the most wildly optimistic of us can agree that would be deeply challenging.
RE: I like Marcus Mariota  
Payasdaddy : 1/18/2022 10:02 pm : link
In comment 15560253 CardinalX said:
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He was on a 3.5 million contract this year with the Raiders.

I honestly had more confidence in him than either Fromm or Glennon and maybe even DJ.

We have to realistically look at we have NO QB options at this point. DJ may never play another down again.


I dont see how MM is any better than DJ most his plays were runs this yr DJ can be competent for 2022 with some better players around him
Keep him one last season  
US1 Giants : 1/18/2022 10:06 pm : link
to complete his contract. Draft a QB in 2023.
RE: If you want DJ gone next year, who's your replacement?  
JohnF : 1/18/2022 10:24 pm : link
#1) For all the people who say "Trade Jones for a draft choice", imagine if Jones was on another team, had two lousy years previous, with the last one having a neck injury that kept him out of the end of the season. What draft choice would you give that team for him?

Yeah, I thought so. Jones is untradeable until he's proved he's 100% recovered from his neck injury, and can play. So forget that. Even if Jones was healthy, you're not going to get a high draft choice for him.

#2) Forget Watson. The Texans aren't going to give Watson up for less that THREE #1's and a few #2's (or high level players). Plus we would have to strip the team to fit him into the cap (thanks for nothing, DG).

#3) I think Wilson is a possibility, but you'd have to give up a 2022 #1 (Fifth), #2 and a 2023 #1 to get him. If you trust your GM to fix the line in 2 years with lower round draft picks, it could work...but there are still too many holes to make this a competitive team before 2025 going this route.

#4) Any good backup coming in (Trubisky, Mariotta, etc) is going to command a lot more than $3.5 million. Other teams in better cap situations will be able to outbid the Giants, unless we kick the cap down the road to affect future years. That strategy simply won't work, it hasn't worked for 10 years, I don't see it working now.

#5) The Giants need a FULL REBUILD. Take the bullet in 2022, trade or cut as many under performing or constantly injured high price players as the cap allows, and stay with Jones to "caretake" QB. Play the 2022 rookies as a priority, get them game experience. Then draft a QB in 2023, and use the cap money to fill out the holes in both lines and other priority areas.

Yes, doing this will make 2022 a suck year to watch games. But thinking that short term "reloads" or "quick fixes" is how the Giants got into this mess.

It's going to take time...remember, even with a great GM like George Young, the Giants took three years just to get to the playoffs, and weren't a serious threat until 1985.
And yes  
JohnF : 1/18/2022 10:29 pm : link
I know people will say "Young picked a QB for his first draft in 1979".

George didn't do Phil Simms any favors there. The offensive line in 1979 helped contribute to Simms getting injured, to the point where fans were calling Simms a "wasted draft choice who couldn't stay healthy". Even Parcells started Brunner over Simms because of that. You got to fix the offensive line first!
I  
AcidTest : 1/18/2022 10:35 pm : link
don't think Jones has any trade value right now. He said himself that he can't have any contact until August. So why would anyone trade for him? The more likely scenario is that he has to retire.

I would otherwise prefer to bring him back, not pick up his fifth year option, and look for his replacement on day two or more likely, next year. In the interim, I'd clear some cap space to sign a veteran to compete with Jones.
RE: And yes  
Scooter185 : 1/18/2022 10:38 pm : link
In comment 15560310 JohnF said:
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I know people will say "Young picked a QB for his first draft in 1979".

George didn't do Phil Simms any favors there. The offensive line in 1979 helped contribute to Simms getting injured, to the point where fans were calling Simms a "wasted draft choice who couldn't stay healthy". Even Parcells started Brunner over Simms because of that. You got to fix the offensive line first!


Cincinnati is really kicking themselves for not fixing every other problem before drafting a QB
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