Seeing way too many post that people want DJ gone. That next year doesn't make a difference for him and he should be gone. That we'll save money on a salary hit. Looking at FA, guys like Trubisky, Bridgwater, Winston, Marriota, Brissett are available. Do we have the money to sign any of them?
Do you feel comfortable in drafting any of the QB'S? Pickett, Corrall, Willis, Howell ect.. Personally I prefer Corrall out of the top group coming out this year.
Do you think they should just ride out DJ for 1 more year then draft another QB in 2023?
wouldnt hold my breathe but its possible...
imagine terps head if jones turns it around under daboll. LOL
Option 2: Draft one of Ridder, Willis, Strong, Howell in round 2 or 3
Option 3: Draft one of Zappe, McKee, or another late prospect
Combine the pick with signing one or two FAs. If the rookie is up to it, start him. If not, go with one of the FAs.
Lots of viable optios available.
IMO.
Because he's a football coach and not a physioneurogenetic reanimator.
He’s a head coach not Rumpelstiltskin!
Because DJ isn't in the same league as Allen. The 'Daniel Jones is a top flight QB' is quite the hill to die on.
I don't see DJ surviving the departure of 2 HCs (and even his best year couldn't save PS) and a GM, especially with the new GM not being KA.
With DJ on the roster, the pressure to develop/fix him is going to weigh on the new staff, a pressure that won't exist with a journeyman stop-gap.
Option 2: Draft one of Ridder, Willis, Strong, Howell in round 2 or 3
Option 3: Draft one of Zappe, McKee, or another late prospect
Combine the pick with signing one or two FAs. If the rookie is up to it, start him. If not, go with one of the FAs.
Lots of viable optios available.
I’m thinking the OP meant smart options, that would actually help the team.
Trade Jones for a pick.
Of course this will require an overhaul of the OL.
I think there are quarterback needy teams that would give up at least a 2nd for Jones.
Put Jones on a good offensive team and he is a top 15 quarterback. Better than Mayfield for example.
There just aren't many great quarterbacks out there. Good luck finding one.
I have NO problem drafting Pickett, Willis or Ridder. Each at different places in the draft. Probably from pick 15/RD1 and down. I would very likely sit him YR1.
I then would consider a 1-year lease with an option to buy with Derek Carr if we could trade for him. At best, a second-round pick compensation and pay the last year of his contract - $20M. If he works, maybe give him another one-year deal. But I would hope the QB I drafted in 2022, is ready to go in 2023.
Lol, unfortunately the puzzle is more like a Rubik’s cube with Jones.
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Why can’t he make something of DJ like he did Allan?
Because he's a football coach and not a physioneurogenetic reanimator.
LOL!
McVay went to the SB with Goff as his qb. Surely he could get Ryan Tannehill-esque play from Jones
Yeah. I don't think any sensible fans doubts this.
Just because some of us don’t believe in him long term, doesn’t mean we have to move on immediately.
Seriously though, we should bring in one of a half dozen available vets if we don’t love a guy in the draft.
A vet will likely be signed and/or they will draft a QB.
I don't expect Jones will even be on the team.
We have sucked at Starting QB for years but do we really need to be the poster child for worst backup QBs too?
Then would be ready to trade back into back half of Rd 1 or hold out until second round and possibly grab another QB in the draft based on what happens first above in Free Agency.
Jones can be traded for a pick or held back as the backup based on the options taken above...
Just because some of us don’t believe in him long term, doesn’t mean we have to move on immediately.
* isn’t imperative
What's so special about 2023?
If the Giants draft a QB in round 1, Pickett or Willis, then I would look to trade Jones and then sign Mitchell Trubisky to a 1 year deal as a stopgap. If Willis is the pick I would also sign Colt McCoy to serve as Trubisky's backup which would allow Willis to sit the entire season if needed while also being an excellent mentor for Willis.
If the Giants do not want any of the QB's in the draft then I would sign Mariota to compete with Jones for the starting job. If Jones isn't able to play next season because of his neck then I would also sign Trubisky to compete with Mariota for the starting job.
Amy or Chuck?
Of course this will require an overhaul of the OL.
I think there are quarterback needy teams that would give up at least a 2nd for Jones.
Put Jones on a good offensive team and he is a top 15 quarterback. Better than Mayfield for example.
There just aren't many great quarterbacks out there. Good luck finding one.
Jones a top 15 qb?
Jones better than Mayfield?
Both dubious propositions.
Then draft his replacement in 2023
Because Allen has talent. Doesn't grow on trees.
Did you all forget what happened this year? Have you seen the OL try to play football? That DJ was able to do ANYTHING this year and win some games was a miracle. If the pick order isn't OL and Edge this will be a catastrophically bad opportunity missed
Did you all forget what happened this year? Have you seen the OL try to play football? That DJ was able to do ANYTHING this year and win some games was a miracle. If the pick order isn't OL and Edge this will be a catastrophically bad opportunity missed
Jones isn't good. That's the main reason he can't do anything.
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about drafting a QB this year at 5. Holy fucking shit.
Did you all forget what happened this year? Have you seen the OL try to play football? That DJ was able to do ANYTHING this year and win some games was a miracle. If the pick order isn't OL and Edge this will be a catastrophically bad opportunity missed
Jones isn't good. That's the main reason he can't do anything.
It’s honestly a combination. Jones is not good, but you can’t expect a promising young QB that they draft this year or next to function behind a crappy line either so I get Matt’s point.
I’ve been beating this drum for weeks now, but I still think the best approach is to play Jones in 2022, go line heavy in this draft, let that line gel in 2022. In 2023 we draft our next QB and he has a competent line to play behind. Think back when Eli came in and our line was almost intact. We then went out in 2005 FA and got McKenzie and the rest is history.
I honestly had more confidence in him than either Fromm or Glennon and maybe even DJ.
We have to realistically look at we have NO QB options at this point. DJ may never play another down again.
I'd keep DJ next for next year since he'll have to start the 1st 4-6 games while Watson is suspended
Then we'd have a top 7 QB plus a decent backup
After next year, DJ can resign as a backup or try his luck elsewhere
First things first- the cap and FA then go from there.
But make sure you get a legitimate backup
They're not going to rebuild the OL in one year. Even the most wildly optimistic of us can agree that would be deeply challenging.
I honestly had more confidence in him than either Fromm or Glennon and maybe even DJ.
We have to realistically look at we have NO QB options at this point. DJ may never play another down again.
I dont see how MM is any better than DJ most his plays were runs this yr DJ can be competent for 2022 with some better players around him
Yeah, I thought so. Jones is untradeable until he's proved he's 100% recovered from his neck injury, and can play. So forget that. Even if Jones was healthy, you're not going to get a high draft choice for him.
#2) Forget Watson. The Texans aren't going to give Watson up for less that THREE #1's and a few #2's (or high level players). Plus we would have to strip the team to fit him into the cap (thanks for nothing, DG).
#3) I think Wilson is a possibility, but you'd have to give up a 2022 #1 (Fifth), #2 and a 2023 #1 to get him. If you trust your GM to fix the line in 2 years with lower round draft picks, it could work...but there are still too many holes to make this a competitive team before 2025 going this route.
#4) Any good backup coming in (Trubisky, Mariotta, etc) is going to command a lot more than $3.5 million. Other teams in better cap situations will be able to outbid the Giants, unless we kick the cap down the road to affect future years. That strategy simply won't work, it hasn't worked for 10 years, I don't see it working now.
#5) The Giants need a FULL REBUILD. Take the bullet in 2022, trade or cut as many under performing or constantly injured high price players as the cap allows, and stay with Jones to "caretake" QB. Play the 2022 rookies as a priority, get them game experience. Then draft a QB in 2023, and use the cap money to fill out the holes in both lines and other priority areas.
Yes, doing this will make 2022 a suck year to watch games. But thinking that short term "reloads" or "quick fixes" is how the Giants got into this mess.
It's going to take time...remember, even with a great GM like George Young, the Giants took three years just to get to the playoffs, and weren't a serious threat until 1985.
George didn't do Phil Simms any favors there. The offensive line in 1979 helped contribute to Simms getting injured, to the point where fans were calling Simms a "wasted draft choice who couldn't stay healthy". Even Parcells started Brunner over Simms because of that. You got to fix the offensive line first!
I would otherwise prefer to bring him back, not pick up his fifth year option, and look for his replacement on day two or more likely, next year. In the interim, I'd clear some cap space to sign a veteran to compete with Jones.
George didn't do Phil Simms any favors there. The offensive line in 1979 helped contribute to Simms getting injured, to the point where fans were calling Simms a "wasted draft choice who couldn't stay healthy". Even Parcells started Brunner over Simms because of that. You got to fix the offensive line first!
Cincinnati is really kicking themselves for not fixing every other problem before drafting a QB