Joe Hortiz has grown up in the Ravens organization, similar to Eric DeCosta. Hortiz has spent 20 years with Ravens and worked his way up in the organization where ownership stays out of the way.
Those of you who do not live in Baltimore do not realize that the Ravens organization lacks the disfunction that rules the Giants. When Brian Billick was fired as head coach of the Ravens in 2007, owner Steve Biscotti anointed Ozzie Newsome to lead the process to hire a new head coach. Newsome’s process was similar to the one he oversaw when Billick was hired in 1999. The process included members of different areas of the firm to collaborate together to identify a head coach. Newsome was joined by Biscotti, PR Director Kevin Byrne, Director of Football Operations Pat Moriarty and DeCosta to be part of the process. The group came to a consensus and ultimately John Harbaugh was hired. Newsome made the final decision.
The Giants displayed their problems with Hortiz interview with Chris Mara being part of the process. Short of being told Chris was part of the process because he was retiring from personnel, Hortiz sees the disfunction in front of him.
Hortiz is very close with DeCosta. DeCosta, for years turned down GM opportunities and even declined to interview for other organizations unless he found the perfect situation and Horitz will be no different. Horitz got one leak at the disfunction and will not entertain a second interview request. Steve Biscotti will reward him with a new contract and pay him too dollar to keep the front office in check and protect Horitz from the NYG train wreck.
Which is not to say he's wrong just......
Which is not to say he's wrong just......
People are over thinking it.....and certainly overly concern about Chris Mara
But frankly, if Hortiz can't do his own thinking and let's others exert undue influence on him, he definitely wouldn't be a good fit for the Giants (with all the cooks in our kitchen) and I don't want him.
Everyone here understands that had Judge coached the way he spoke- prior to the last few weeks- that we would not even be doing an outside search for GM let alone a new HC..
Can we at least let the process finish before bashing the results?
If Hortiz was as opposed to this as you suggest and wouldn't even consider the job, I doubt that he would have even taken the interview.
It's a moot point anyway as Schoen appears to be the front-runner.
As for why he took the interview? The interview has no cost. Its a frigging conference call. We're on them all day. Taking a phone call with the potential of a great opportunity plus just getting experience in the interview process is a complete no brainer. And more importantly, who knows what leverage that gave him with the Ravens? Maybe he just walked into a massive raise.
You can be living in fantasy land if you think the presence or part of Chris Mara would not impact candidates, but his history and involvement is well documented. If Dan Duggar can write an article with comments from current and former coaches and staff from the Giants org do you think we’ll respected candidates cannot do the same?
I happen to live in Baltimore and local media, many of whom have close ties to Ravens have focused on the Giants structure and the amount of family members tied in through the Mara family.
So keep attacking the structure and ignore the message. While it might be his shot at the Brass ring, Horitz and anyone else just witnessed Joe Judge take his shot at the brass ring and it possibly has set his career back a decade.
You can be living in fantasy land if you think the presence or part of Chris Mara would not impact candidates, but his history and involvement is well documented. If Dan Duggar can write an article with comments from current and former coaches and staff from the Giants org do you think we’ll respected candidates cannot do the same?
I happen to live in Baltimore and local media, many of whom have close ties to Ravens have focused on the Giants structure and the amount of family members tied in through the Mara family.
So keep attacking the structure and ignore the message. While it might be his shot at the Brass ring, Horitz and anyone else just witnessed Joe Judge take his shot at the brass ring and it possibly has set his career back a decade.
If you live in Baltimore and are so in tune with the inner workings of the front office you could at least get the guys name right.
He's marketing himself, meeting people, opening doors. I'd take the interview if I was him - you never know what will be said in the interview and you'll never know if you don't go. It isn't a waste of time for either side to talk through things and feel out the situation.
Not say I agree with the OP's reasons why, but if Hortiz wants to be a GM one day he's going to have to actually meet with teams regardless of whether he has 100% interest in that particular franchise or not. This isn't a pool of 32 jobs either, its a handful per year.
However, read that a couple of Ozzie Newsome's guys have left their system to become GMs over the years but have failed badly in that capacity. Phil Savage and George Kokinis had a very rocky short stints with the Browns. It was back around 2005-2010 and may have been related to Browns dysfunction too, but either way both were released. I think Kokinis went back to Ravens.
I read this and thought the same thing...Guy writes a post like he is quoting an article, only to be quoting another BBI poster. I never heard the interview part regarding Chris Mara being in the room. If Hortiz has any balls and wants to resurrect an organization, he'd been extremely interested in this job. And could definitely say. "If you want me, I'd like Chris to be an owner and not be part of player scouting/personnel b/c Im going to need to make changes that suit my style and implement what was successful in Baltimore"
If the Ravens are such a well functioning machine and Hortiz sees the error of the way in East Rutherford, sounds like he would be the perfect GM to bring the business up to speed and how things work.
Can't have a GM oversee the coaching search, when you don't have a GM in the building.
You still take the interview and see for yourself though
Sorry, but writing opinions and assumptions as facts to support a point of view is one of my pet peeves.
djstat - are you suggesting Chris Maras presence alone at the interviews will turn off viable candidates? It seems to me Hortiz or any other guy being interviewed would want the Giants to be as transparent as possible before he possibly has to make a career decision.
arniefez - I mean this as a pure question and not questioning your post, it has been confirmed that he won't be coming in for the 2nd interview?
So this whole story is irrelevant.
Good point. Schoen's second interview was reported after the interview had already begun.
djstat - are you suggesting Chris Maras presence alone at the interviews will turn off viable candidates? It seems to me Hortiz or any other guy being interviewed would want the Giants to be as transparent as possible before he possibly has to make a career decision.
I think he is. Giants have done everything Gettleman, Abrams, Judge many thought they would not do. For some, rather than concede that pt, it s on to the next narrative,
But frankly, if Hortiz can't do his own thinking and let's others exert undue influence on him, he definitely wouldn't be a good fit for the Giants (with all the cooks in our kitchen) and I don't want him.
+1. I pretty much said the same yesterday on another post.
The question ahead is about the structure and power that they pledge to the new GM, and their strength in sticking to that commitment
But frankly, if Hortiz can't do his own thinking and let's others exert undue influence on him, he definitely wouldn't be a good fit for the Giants (with all the cooks in our kitchen) and I don't want him.
We get it, there are only 32 of these jobs, blah, blah, blah. Like any GM candidate should immediately accept any offer that comes along, 'cause I've heard that there are only 32 of them!
Hortiz and others like him are on short lists to become GM's. If they smell a rat with a franchise when they interview, they will get other opportunities. What the almost certainly won't get is a 2nd chance if they take the first offer they get and things go south.
Exactly, so stop all this interviewing nonsense and just bring back Gettleman...
Why are we assuming this guy is a slam dunk and that the only conceivable reason he won't be the GM is that he declined a second interview?
A lot of huge leaps being taken on this subject.
Maybe they didn't like him as well.
You can be living in fantasy land if you think the presence or part of Chris Mara would not impact candidates, but his history and involvement is well documented. If Dan Duggar can write an article with comments from current and former coaches and staff from the Giants org do you think we’ll respected candidates cannot do the same?
I happen to live in Baltimore and local media, many of whom have close ties to Ravens have focused on the Giants structure and the amount of family members tied in through the Mara family.
So keep attacking the structure and ignore the message. While it might be his shot at the Brass ring, Horitz and anyone else just witnessed Joe Judge take his shot at the brass ring and it possibly has set his career back a decade.
You left out the fact that the Ravens have repeatedly, in an amicable way, told certain free agents the organization needs to manage a salary cap, it's not personal, to test the market and bring the best deal back to the Ravens before making any decisions. I interpreted your OP as opinion because I follow your posts and have become accustomed to, shall we say, how you present ideas(!). Too much coach in you.
After that you make some huge logical leaps based on your supposed Hortiz expertise.
I find it hard to believe that he thinks the Giants are so dysfunctional that he turned down a 2nd interview, but for some reason that defies logic he took the first interview.
It's going to take more than "I live in Baltimore" to convince me of that.
I’m fact it’s been reported, numerous times, that the Giants hierarchical structure has Chris Mara AND the GM on the same tier.
Would you mind sharing some of those reports? TIA.
Which is not to say he's wrong just......
You can be living in fantasy land if you think the presence or part of Chris Mara would not impact candidates, but his history and involvement is well documented. If Dan Duggar can write an article with comments from current and former coaches and staff from the Giants org do you think we’ll respected candidates cannot do the same?
I happen to live in Baltimore and local media, many of whom have close ties to Ravens have focused on the Giants structure and the amount of family members tied in through the Mara family.
So keep attacking the structure and ignore the message. While it might be his shot at the Brass ring, Horitz and anyone else just witnessed Joe Judge take his shot at the brass ring and it possibly has set his career back a decade.