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NFT: BA Mets Top 100

GF1080 : 1/19/2022 9:35 am
Baseball America Top 100 Updated Rankings:

#13 Francisco Alvarez
#39 Brett Baty
#92 Ronny Mauricio

Thought Vientos would sneak in as well.
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pjcas18 : 1/21/2022 8:55 pm : link
Audacy Sports
@AudacySports
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Brian Butterfield denied role on Mets coaching staff for refusing vaccine. https://audacy.com/sports/mlb/unv
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pjcas18 : 1/21/2022 8:56 pm : link
Jon Heyman
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No vaccination stance costs beloved longtime Buck friend and coach Brian Butterfield a chance at a Mets job
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DanMetroMan : 1/21/2022 9:02 pm : link
In comment 15565952 pjcas18 said:
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Jon Heyman
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No vaccination stance costs beloved longtime Buck friend and coach Brian Butterfield a chance at a Mets job


Makes sense to me. Players are one thing but there are actual advantages to hitting the 85%, Butterfield isn’t like adding a Marte (no clue Marte’s vaxx views just an example)

“Relaxed protocols include dropping the requirements for facemasks in dugouts and bullpens, and loosening restrictions on mobility during road trips.“
Lol  
DanMetroMan : 1/21/2022 9:03 pm : link
Wait.....Ex-Met Wilmer Flores has a brother named Wilmer Flores who pitches in @tigers system...and those 2 have 2 OTHER brothers named...Wilmer Flores...and their father is named...Wilmer Flores
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Eric on Li : 1/21/2022 9:46 pm : link
In comment 15565962 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15565952 pjcas18 said:


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Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
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No vaccination stance costs beloved longtime Buck friend and coach Brian Butterfield a chance at a Mets job



Makes sense to me. Players are one thing but there are actual advantages to hitting the 85%, Butterfield isn’t like adding a Marte (no clue Marte’s vaxx views just an example)

“Relaxed protocols include dropping the requirements for facemasks in dugouts and bullpens, and loosening restrictions on mobility during road trips.“


not hitting 85% last year when most other teams did was the first chink in the armor.
Is that short sighted though  
pjcas18 : 1/21/2022 9:56 pm : link
I mean is vaccination status going to be a thing for the 2022 baseball season?

I don't think it's a huge deal, the guy was going to be a bench coach, right? Not underestimating it but not exactly an irreplaceable skill set IMO, but not sure it should preclude the hire necessarily.
here's the quote from buck  
Eric on Li : 1/21/2022 10:15 pm : link
Showalter said he did not agree with Butterfield’s opposition to the vaccine. But he recalled his former coach’s stubborn streak on baseball matters from their days together with the Yankees and Diamondbacks, and was not about to get into an argument with him.

“I know him too well to try to talk him into something like that,” said Showalter, who regards Butterfield as the best infield coach in baseball, adding that the Phillies’ Bobby Dickerson, Mariners’ Perry Hill and Braves’ Ron Washington are also among the elite and that he might regard Mets new third-base coach Joey Cora just as highly once he gets to know him better.

“I love him to death,” Showalter said of Butterfield. “If he called me tomorrow and said, ‘I’ve changed my mind and I’ll come,’ I’d figure out every which way I could to get him.”
it sounds to me like it was more of a judgement call than anything  
Eric on Li : 1/21/2022 10:16 pm : link
the protocols are almost definitely going to be different but who knows what they will be.
RE: Vientos and Allan were among the 15 who just missed BA top 100  
Rory : 1/21/2022 11:15 pm : link
In comment 15564658 Eric on Li said:
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so that's good news.


absolutely huge year for Allan, needs to really show something.
RE: Lol  
speedywheels : 1/21/2022 11:50 pm : link
In comment 15565964 DanMetroMan said:
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Wait.....Ex-Met Wilmer Flores has a brother named Wilmer Flores who pitches in @tigers system...and those 2 have 2 OTHER brothers named...Wilmer Flores...and their father is named...Wilmer Flores


Sounds like a George Forman situation
Didn't bother to click the link  
pjcas18 : 1/22/2022 11:21 am : link
and it's likely click bait, but I would support this for the Mets

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GENY Mets Report
@genymets
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NEWS: According to @BleacherReport
, the #Mets are the “2nd best option” for FA Clayton Kershaw behind the Los Angeles Dodgers. #LGM
Matt  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 11:15 am : link
Eddy-

Alvarez franchise player upside, 4th ranked catcher in large part due to proximity to the majors (the others are closer)

Expects Baty to tap into his power, thinks he'll see more time in LF early in his career but expects him to be a 3b long term.

Mauricio- huge power and bat speed, not much conviction he's going to hit enough or get on base enough to be a "major factor" at the big league level. Mauricio can play SS "in the right situation". 3B or RF is likely his pro position. 2b "I guess".

Vientos hits the ball hard, hits the ball to all fields, sneaky upside with him. No real positional value.

Doesn't really see a clear "sleeper" who could crack the top 100 next year with Ginn or Ramirez being the 2 mentioned if "everything broke right", which he deemed "low probability". More likely whomever they take 11 and/or 14 would be that guy #Mets

Mets are "so thin" in pitching in the minors. "Proximity pitching" is the weakest part of the system.

-Interestingly @MattEddyBA also noted that new @mets assistant hitting coach Jeremy Barnes was instrumental in instituting a new organizational hitting program. @mets want to get into the top 10 in minor league exit velocity. Curious to see who replaces Barnes

-Mauricio the most likely "major" trade chip prospect. Other teams have called.

-Mets system "middle of the pack"

MLB and MLBPA  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 1:05 pm : link
are about to begin their meeting.
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DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 1:06 pm : link
Metsmerized Online
@Metsmerized
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Buck Showalter said that putting together the coaching staff was a collaborative effort with the front office.
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DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 1:16 pm : link
Mark C. Healey
@MarkCHealey
Hiring Eric Chavez as hitting coach, in part, was because #Mets wanted a person "who had some experience of living and dying in the batter's box." - #Mets GM Billy Eppler
Ginn and Ramirez have good enough pedigrees where good years  
Eric on Li : 1/24/2022 1:37 pm : link
could make them top 100 prospects. Not making any prediction on them having good years, that's obviously a variable that can go in any direction.

But hypothetically a good year from Ginn will have him pitching well (era around 3) in AA in his A22 season with solid peripherals and continued good velocity/spin.

A good year from Ramirez will get him to Brooklyn (A+) in his A19. For reference Mauricio hit A+ in his A20 and put up a 740 ops. I have no idea if Ramirez is capable of doing better than that this year but if he did, based on that and the big bonus/loud tools he'd start getting some attention. Gimenez hit A+ at A19 and posted a .780 OPS. A good year from ramirez would theoretically put him on a similar quality tier.

That also helps put Alvarez' .890 OPS in A+ at A19 last year in context (not to mention the 1.200 ops in A ball that got him promoted so quickly). He's rightfully being viewed on another level.
I  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 1:49 pm : link
mean didn't he say as much? Ramirez posted a .710 OPS despite a .376 BABIP, and a 31.1% k rate, so yeah he'd have to show substantial improvement in 2022 to be a top 100 consideration 302 ab's 104 k's in A ball is very, very high. As for Ginn, the K-rate likely is never going to be particularly sexy and the velocity is good but not elite for this era of baseball so he's going to have to do things beyond post a good era to make "the" top 100 lists aka BP/FG/Law/BA.
Final  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 1:55 pm : link
note on Ramirez. He signed for 2 million which isn't chump change but it was "only" the 11th biggest bonus of the 2019 signing period so he was viewed as a very good signing but not such a large bonus that it's going to be a major feather in his cap in terms of projections. I actually like him a lot but I think Matt Eddy's comments are completely fair regarding both. Unlikely Ramirez/Ginn are 2023 top 100 prospects, doesn't mean it can't happen.
Cora  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 1:56 pm : link
to coach the infield, Kirby the OF, both were expected.
Goldstein  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 1:57 pm : link
also randomly called Jeremy Barnes an "impactful" coaching hire today. Seems like he'll be a "loss" to the minor league system but an asset to the Mets and Chavez.
Seidler on the Mets player development-  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 1:59 pm : link
— they’ve very obviously significantly improved at PD
— they’re still well behind the top tier teams (and have mediocre farm depth b/c of it)
— Baty greatly improved from 2019 to 2021
— Baty still has approach issues that limit his game power
Just thinking about Matt Allan  
pjcas18 : 1/24/2022 2:00 pm : link
and prospect rankings and it got me thinking about the Mets and Tommy John Surgery. So, he's probably not doing anything in 2022, I guess maybe an August or September start, but likely 2022 is a lost cause for him.

What I was thinking about was who is the last Met prospect pitcher that did not have TJS (some of these were pre-Met or pre-draft)?

Allan: yes
Syndergaard: yes
Harvey: yes
deGrom: yes
Wheeler: yes
Matz: yes
Ginn: yes
Szapucki: yes
Humber: yes
Izzy: yes

even guys like Carrasco, Kilome and Walker who weren't Mets prospects or highly rated Mets prospects had TJS

I'm sure I missed some - is it this common for all teams?
FWIW  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 2:09 pm : link
He talked up Allan’s talent but yes, due to health and extremely truncated 2022 season he’s not a 2023 top 100 candidate
Good question I could  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 2:16 pm : link
Be forgetting but I don’t believe Niese ever had TJ. You can also add Fulmer (though it was post trade)
Also  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 2:17 pm : link
Mejia
Interesting  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 2:33 pm : link
I didn't realize Willy Fañas was already 18, have to believe they bring him stateside this season
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DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 2:36 pm : link
Best guess, if/when a new CBA is finally agreed to, how many years of service will a team have over a player before free agency?
Ben Clemens
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Six
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I could see the Super 2 stuff getting eliminated, because it's kind of absurd and owners keep acknowledging that in their proposals
What the Rays did to Wander, the ultra-Super-Two move, might have started happening to more stars otherwise
(they signed an extension obviously, so all is forgiven in that instance)
2:02
But I don't see the owners budging below six and I don't see the PA being willing to make enough sacrifices elsewhere to come up with a palatable deal with less than 6 years to FA
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DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 2:44 pm : link
Metsmerized Online
@Metsmerized
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Buck Showalter raves about bench coach Glenn Sherlock's ability to help the catchers on on the roster.

Buck also said that Sherlock's familiarity with some of the players on the roster was a key point in hiring him.
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Eric on Li : 1/24/2022 3:25 pm : link
In comment 15572163 DanMetroMan said:
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Best guess, if/when a new CBA is finally agreed to, how many years of service will a team have over a player before free agency?
Ben Clemens
2:00
Six
2:01
I could see the Super 2 stuff getting eliminated, because it's kind of absurd and owners keep acknowledging that in their proposals
What the Rays did to Wander, the ultra-Super-Two move, might have started happening to more stars otherwise
(they signed an extension obviously, so all is forgiven in that instance)
2:02
But I don't see the owners budging below six and I don't see the PA being willing to make enough sacrifices elsewhere to come up with a palatable deal with less than 6 years to FA


i think the owners don't want to start lowering 6 because it's a slippery slope. they put in 1 or 2 exceptions now, then more the next time, and so on.

the service time is what keeps low revenue teams competitive allows teams that build farm up a window to win.

seems easier to offer more money elsewhere and seems likely if offered the PA will take it. fingers crossed today's session is productive and begins the continued dialogue that gets a deal done in the next few weeks.
Actual news:  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 3:28 pm : link
The Major League Baseball Players Association dropped its request to introduce an age-based free agency system into the sport on Monday, withdrawing a proposal in one of the three major areas MLB had shown no interest in changing, a person with knowledge of the negotiations told The Athletic.

That means the amount of service time it takes a player to reach free agency — six years — is most likely going to remain unchanged whenever the sides reach a new deal. The players had previously proposed a system to get some players to free agency after five years if they had reached a certain age: 30 1/2, and then eventually, 29 1/2.

The union also revised its proposal to alter revenue sharing between the teams, another of the three areas MLB has resisted changes toward — and traditionally, a hot-button topic for the owners themselves. Between revenue sharing and free agency, the union feels it made two significant concessions.



The union on Monday also rejected most if not all of what MLB had proposed in the sides’ most recent meeting.
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DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 3:29 pm : link
"With the time-to-free-agency question gone, two of the major hurdles remaining are whether MLB could become amenable to any changes to revenue sharing; and what will happen to the other particularly contentious bucket, the time it takes a player to reach arbitration. The players’ decision to drop their request to get players to free agency sooner wasn’t particularly surprising, considering what the union has been talking about for years, publicly, is the plight of younger players.



The union’s proposal to get players to arbitration after two years from November went unchanged on Monday. At the time, the league said it had no interest in discussing it."
right on queue  
Eric on Li : 1/24/2022 3:31 pm : link
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The Major League Baseball Players Association dropped its request to introduce an age-based free agency system into the sport on Monday, withdrawing a proposal in one of the three major areas MLB had shown no interest in changing, a person with knowledge of the negotiations told The Athletic.


That means the amount of service time it takes a player to reach free agency — six years — is most likely going to remain unchanged whenever the sides reach a new deal. The players had previously proposed a system to get some players to free agency after five years if they had reached a certain age: 30 1/2, and then eventually, 29 1/2.


The union also revised its proposal to alter revenue sharing between the teams, another of the three areas MLB has resisted changes toward — and traditionally, a hot-button topic for the owners themselves. Between revenue sharing and free agency, the union feels it made two significant concessions.


not all good news:

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The union on Monday also rejected most if not all of what MLB had proposed in the sides’ most recent meeting.


though that's possibly a bit of a red herring. im sure they didn't reject any of the increased $ MLB proposed, just how they allocated it (along with probably some of the ideas rumored for competitive balance like the draft pick compensation in return for rookie performance).
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this is the most important news from today  
Eric on Li : 1/24/2022 3:32 pm : link
Quote:
Hannah Keyser
@HannahRKeyser
MLB and the Players Association will meet again tomorrow. The pace has officially picked up.
I've  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 3:42 pm : link
been told trading of picks is now *unlikely* as it's not been a hot button issue and that an international draft likely would be 2 or 3 years out even if agreed to now. Neither of these are set in stone.
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DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 3:47 pm : link
Jeff Passan
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The meeting between the Major League Baseball Players Association and MLB is over. There is not a deal, nor did anyone expect one. Union made a broad proposal that included removing pieces of its past offers.

The good news: They’re meeting again tomorrow. Passes for progress.
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DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 3:54 pm : link
Jeff Passan
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At the risk of being Debbie Downer: Let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves here. The meeting was contentious. There is a lot — a lot — left to work out before there’s a new labor deal. This still could take a while.

But the fact that it didn’t go backward when it could’ve? W.
No  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 4:39 pm : link
on field rules changes expected to be made for the new CBA, Manfred said it last month but most didn't notice (myself included)

"“Frankly,” the commissioner said, “based on the discussions at the table, we saw it as another contentious issue and tried to put it to one side in an effort to get to an agreement – on the theory that we could deal with it mid-term of the next agreement.”
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DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 4:56 pm : link
Evan Drellich
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An MLB official called the dialogue today spirited. Meeting lasted close to two hours. Put another way: it was heated.
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pjcas18 : 1/24/2022 4:59 pm : link
In comment 15572510 DanMetroMan said:
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on field rules changes expected to be made for the new CBA, Manfred said it last month but most didn't notice (myself included)

"“Frankly,” the commissioner said, “based on the discussions at the table, we saw it as another contentious issue and tried to put it to one side in an effort to get to an agreement – on the theory that we could deal with it mid-term of the next agreement.”


Does this mean DH is off the table?

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Eric on Li : 1/24/2022 5:06 pm : link
In comment 15572567 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15572510 DanMetroMan said:


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on field rules changes expected to be made for the new CBA, Manfred said it last month but most didn't notice (myself included)

"“Frankly,” the commissioner said, “based on the discussions at the table, we saw it as another contentious issue and tried to put it to one side in an effort to get to an agreement – on the theory that we could deal with it mid-term of the next agreement.”



Does this mean DH is off the table?


it would be pretty shocking to not end up in the final CBA. im pretty sure the players just dont want to let the owners count it as a "new money" concession. they want to get their other asks first and then it will be in the final CBA at the end since everyone wants it.
DH  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 5:20 pm : link
is not part of what Manfred was referencing. Pitch clock, robo umps, double hook etc the experiments they publicized in the minors, none will be in play.
Also  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 5:21 pm : link
rules regarding the shift will not be instituted at this time.
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DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 5:24 pm : link
Sounds pretty likely the next CBA will include a draft-lottery ala the NBA. The only question is how many teams will be included. Owners want 3, the MLBPA apparently wants 8. You'd like to believe 5 would be a fair mid-point
Nightengale-  
DanMetroMan : 1/24/2022 5:25 pm : link
The union also agreed to scale back its proposal to reduce revenue sharing among teams from $100 million to about $30 million.
maybe im in the minority but it seems like both sides made serious  
Eric on Li : 1/24/2022 5:48 pm : link
proposals to move things forward. The players backing off the service time is bigger than i expected in this initial counter. the owners made a few proposals in a row to the players with various positive odds and ends that incrementally increased money to the players in different ways.

i know there's a lot of doom and gloom and justified hate for both sides, but this is probably the best we (fans) can hope for. contentious horse trading that grinds out a deal with some but not too much pain. and hopefully there will be some fun on the other side of the rainbow when they cram 300 transactions into 1 week before ST.

In typical self-serving fashion, A-rod was right a few years ago when he accidentally said the truth out loud. The way forward to better labor relations is a cap, but the MLBPA unlike the NFL/NBA/NHL refuses to go there. So this is what will happen until they do.

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(this is from July 2020)
On a conference call with reporters Thursday, Rodriguez suggested the key to elevating baseball’s status in the American sports landscape was to have players and owners work together to raise revenues that they would then split evenly.

“The only way it’s going to happen is if they get to the table and say the No. 1 goal, let’s get from $10 to $15 billion and then we'll split the economics evenly,” A-Rod said. “But that's the type of conversation instead of fighting and fighting against each other because there’s too much competition out there right now.”

This sort of revenue-sharing arrangement is a salary cap, which the MLB Players Association has fought against for decades. The absence of such a cap is what allowed Rodriguez to become as rich as he has. But now that he’s on the other side, he sees things differently.

MLBPA head Tony Clark called out A-Rod in a statement to ESPN.

“Alex benefited as much as anybody from the battles this union fought against owners’ repeated attempts to get a salary cap,” Clark said. “Now that he is attempting to become an owner himself his perspective appears to be different. And that perspective does not reflect the best interests of the players.”

Rodriguez has since clarified his comments, emphasizing that he never said “salary cap.”


what's kind of funny is that Clark's statement seemingly admitted that it was players like Arod, the top 1%, who disproportionately benefit from the status quo.
That begs the question for Tony  
bhill410 : 1/25/2022 6:50 am : link
Which is if it only affects 1% of the players why negotiate towards that goal. If revenue split, higher base salaries, salary floor, etc would work better for most members why fight that? In ever league that’s not MLB the rules screw the superstar in favor of the rest of the players. Just a thought.
RE: That begs the question for Tony  
Eric on Li : 1/25/2022 10:29 am : link
In comment 15573307 bhill410 said:
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Which is if it only affects 1% of the players why negotiate towards that goal. If revenue split, higher base salaries, salary floor, etc would work better for most members why fight that? In ever league that’s not MLB the rules screw the superstar in favor of the rest of the players. Just a thought.


i think these would be his answers to that:

1. baseball is different than other sports so if you cap the big markets at all it's a net loss the small markets can't make up

2. they don't trust the owners to open the books for an honest accounting for revenue split

3. the current system is better than the other sports for all players even though it's a lot better for the top 1-10%, so the goal is to continue balancing it out by getting more of the pie and increasing benefits at the lower end pre UFA vs. starting over. increasing the league minimum, arbitration rules, service time, etc.

there's validity to all 3 but that's why I think the MLBPA is a little disingenuous in these particular talks. they want more upside with less downside but generally like the current system (as we saw in November). but i guess they have to be performative or else the owners will sense enough weakness to turn the screws. neither side deserves any benefit of doubt. just hope something gets done.
I see the #2 narrative and it’s just not reality  
bhill410 : 1/25/2022 10:36 am : link
It would be governed by the CBA with a verified third party auditor. I have done countless contracts where neither party trusts the other as it relates to finances and this has never been an issue. Think about all of the crap thrown around between the NFL and the PA - has auditing the financials ever been an issue?

I realize you are conjuring the response by the PA but I have seen that point made a bunch of places and it’s simply not that high of a risk if it’s contractually governed.
RE: I see the #2 narrative and it’s just not reality  
Eric on Li : 1/25/2022 10:39 am : link
In comment 15573673 bhill410 said:
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It would be governed by the CBA with a verified third party auditor. I have done countless contracts where neither party trusts the other as it relates to finances and this has never been an issue. Think about all of the crap thrown around between the NFL and the PA - has auditing the financials ever been an issue?

I realize you are conjuring the response by the PA but I have seen that point made a bunch of places and it’s simply not that high of a risk if it’s contractually governed.


agreed - i think it's more a PR red herring because nobody else trusts the owners either, and the owners have been evasive for decades so it's an easy way to score points on them.

but im with you - in return for a true cap im sure they'd agree to an independent 3rd party.

so i think it's posturing from the MLBPA who simply don't want a true cap.
interesting/notable article about last year's hitters struggles  
Eric on Li : 1/28/2022 1:05 pm : link
in a weird way we should only hope to be lucky enough that this was why the hitters struggled because you would think that's an easy enough solution.
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