If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
Color me less than impressed.
No Bosa and Warner. Also he had a top 10 defense in points, top 3 defense in yards allowed and top 10 in dvoa. It's legit. Dallas scored 17 points with all those injuries on defense for SF.
If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
Color me less than impressed.
No Bosa and Warner. Also he had a top 10 defense in points, top 3 defense in yards allowed and top 10 in dvoa. It's legit. Dallas scored 17 points with all those injuries on defense for SF.
The Packers beat the 49ers this year in part because Ryans allowed a big throw by Rodgers to Adams to quickly get into FG range.
One could say that it takes a Rodgers to make that kind of throw (more or less true, only a few QBs could've done it), but seems like it could've been stopped.
Frustrating stuff, but correctable. Can't teach the rest.
If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
Color me less than impressed.
I certainly wouldn't base an entire resume on that. But when he did start to protect sidelines the cowboys had to go to the middle of the field.....and how did that go...
These guys are vying for top jobs in their very limited industry. I don’t think physical location matters all that much. And I know plenty of people in the NY metro area that are from the west coast. If he doesn’t get the job or want to come here, being from CA likely has nothing to do with it.
I agree with you on this UConn.
I'm a native New Jerseyan, but my career track took me out west for a few years and then I steered myself back east because I wanted to be closer to family and friends. But when I was out west, I still had all sorts of telecom at my disposal and life was basically the same.
If anything, the things I miss are more from out there (roadside breakfast burritos and roasted chilis) than the things I missed from here when I was out there (Taylor Ham and good prosciutto).
Either way, the biggest difference was time zone. Family finds a way.
If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
Color me less than impressed.
Wait, you think that was a flawed strategy?
SF let Dallas run out the clock on themselves. Even if McCarthy/Moore/Prescott hadn't been dumb enough to execute a running play and then even dumber to not know that they needed to hand the ball to the umpire, they were playing for a single shot to the end zone. SF was guarding the end zone all along. You can't lose the game on the sidelines.
It was appearing like the job was coming down between Schoen and Poles….so I am very happy to hear…..NOT SO FAST….Peters will be in the house tomorrow.
It was appearing like the job was coming down between Schoen and Poles….so I am very happy to hear…..NOT SO FAST….Peters will be in the house tomorrow.
YESSSSSSSS
We were about to hire a GM, so 5BS is excited to say "no we won't!"
Yup. Im on the Peters train but do not expect him to get it. I also love the idea of Mike McDaniel coaching here, but there is 0% chance of that happening
QB is the whole enchilada. Without a great QB, you're not winning it all. Can Peters judge QB talent? He gave up the farm for Trey Lance, who's riding the bench. Meanwhile, Joe Schoen, a former college QB, drafted Josh Allen, and he's All-World. Just something to think about.
so Peters as an add-on during Poles' interview is a twist.
I still think Schoen is the odds-on favorite, and I refuse to let myself root for Peters because I know Mara won't let him bring McDaniel along as HC. I could probably talk myself into Ryans, but McDaniel would be awesome, and I've been associating Peters and McDaniel all along.
RE: It has felt like Schoen vs. the field all along
so Peters as an add-on during Poles' interview is a twist.
I still think Schoen is the odds-on favorite, and I refuse to let myself root for Peters because I know Mara won't let him bring McDaniel along as HC. I could probably talk myself into Ryans, but McDaniel would be awesome, and I've been associating Peters and McDaniel all along.
I too love McDaniel but can’t see Mara letting It fly no matter what he says. McDaniel wouldn’t come over if he was the play caller? I know he’s an OC but wasn’t sure of his playcalling role
so Peters as an add-on during Poles' interview is a twist.
I still think Schoen is the odds-on favorite, and I refuse to let myself root for Peters because I know Mara won't let him bring McDaniel along as HC. I could probably talk myself into Ryans, but McDaniel would be awesome, and I've been associating Peters and McDaniel all along.
I'm firmly in the Peters camp and find McDaniel extremely interesting, too. Peters is bold, but McDaniel would indeed be too bold for Mara - IMV.
I wouldn't be surprised if York makes Peters an offer he can't refuse and takes Peters out of the market. On the other hand, the 9ers, from what I hear, feel very good about their bench depth in the front office.
If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
Color me less than impressed.
It really is true what they say. You're only as good as your last game (that you won and held the opponent to less than 20 points).
SF has its place at the tops of the league in defense. Your standard is weird.
Just look at the Niners front office, all these guys below Lynch getting interviews. No one has requested an interview from the Giants FO, unless it was Accorsi consulting a team (Abrams-Detroit).
Who do the Giants have in their front office? Abrams & Pettit? Awful.
Not only do the Giants need a GM, they need multiple personnel people brought in below the GM.
RE: RE: It has felt like Schoen vs. the field all along
so Peters as an add-on during Poles' interview is a twist.
I still think Schoen is the odds-on favorite, and I refuse to let myself root for Peters because I know Mara won't let him bring McDaniel along as HC. I could probably talk myself into Ryans, but McDaniel would be awesome, and I've been associating Peters and McDaniel all along.
I too love McDaniel but can’t see Mara letting It fly no matter what he says. McDaniel wouldn’t come over if he was the play caller? I know he’s an OC but wasn’t sure of his playcalling role
McDaniel is not the playcaller for SF; Shanahan retains that role. But SF would have to grant him permission for a lateral move (this applies to any assistant under contract moving to another assistant role, regardless of title if it's not HEAD COACH). Shanahan and Lynch have been reluctant to grant permission for any of their assistants to leave, and I would assume they'd tighten up even further if we hired one of their top brass as GM.
Not to quibble-but I will, Haha-but didn't Chris Mara interview with ATL when the Falcons had a GM opening? & didn't Abrams with Detroit when they had an opening?
Just look at the Niners front office, all these guys below Lynch getting interviews. No one has requested an interview from the Giants FO, unless it was Accorsi consulting a team (Abrams-Detroit).
Who do the Giants have in their front office? Abrams & Pettit? Awful.
Not only do the Giants need a GM, they need multiple personnel people brought in below the GM.
Quite horrifying. Even more scary, there were quite a few folks here (and elsewhere) arguing on here for YEARS, that they should keep these people in charge.
Not to quibble-but I will, Haha-but didn't Chris Mara interview with ATL when the Falcons had a GM opening? & didn't Abrams with Detroit when they had an opening?
Chris Mara in 2008 with ATL. Then probably thought “oh fuck, I’m not giving up my ownership stake in NYG.” Oof.
The second interviews are in same before, after sequences as the first round (Schoen, Poles, Peters).
That said, Peters going last and giving a great overriding impression cannot hurt chances at all.
I think him and Schoen are the ones the braintrust has to decide between. Poles is intriguing, but his experience is a bit limited to one organization, kind of a sole focus on college scouting until recently and it seems like he only just took on role of managing staff and may not be experienced enough whereas other two have managed larger departments or portfolios as well as staff over multiple orgs.
They had 9 choices. I never thought of Hortiz as a top choice. All I heard about him was.. he's a Ravens lifer.. what has he done? What is he actually responsible for that would help the Giants? I wanted to hear more than..
KC drafting the last cpl years has been least impressive of the 3. Now the roster is stacked, so it is harder for a draft pick to get on the feild and make an impression, but there are some turds in there if you look. The Oline rebuild this year is fucking awesome tho. Poles is young and maybe needs some more seasoning. which is a small strike IMO. he has been with 1 org (not my preference) but 2 regimes (impressive)
San Fran drafts IMO were the best. The team is well built, and built from ashes. Shanahan is a superior offensive coach and an NFL lifer at a very young age. I am sure his input in draft and personell is extremely weighted considering he essentially hired the FO. Peters excelled at 2 orgs which is a plus, besides the inside scuttlebut on his accumen.
My personal #1 is schoen. Personally the guy came from nothing -working class family with no NFL ties. started in the ticket office. Has experience in 3 orgs (promoted and/ or poached at all stops. The Bills drafts have been very good (a half notch below SF IMO) but the approach to free agency is excellent. The right amount of aggression and good eval. He also revived a franchise from ashes, including complete moderizition of the FO. +++, Lastly he identified a QB and pulled the trigger on a contreversial decion. My memory of 2018 was Allen was QB4 going in. Tools galore, but level of comp, and horrible accuracy issues. They got that right.
Veach is credited with Mahommes, andLance is TBD. Allen is legit.
If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
Color me less than impressed.
It really is true what they say. You're only as good as your last game (that you won and held the opponent to less than 20 points).
SF has its place at the tops of the league in defense. Your standard is weird.
Especially considering Dallas needed a TD on that drive and ran their final play with 14 seconds left from the 40 yard line. Also thought the Dallas offense executed a hook and ladder play to perfection which accounted for a huge chunk of yardage in that sequence.
Also, they held Dallas, who averaged over 31ppg, to 19 points in ATT stadium...not sure you can ask for much more out of Ryans unit
My memory of 2018 was Allen was QB4 going in. Tools galore, but level of comp, and horrible accuracy issues. They got that right.
Nope. It was Mayfield who was the clear #4 throughout the draft process -- until Dorsey finally had to start telling people in the Browns' org where he was going and word leaked just before the draft.
Allen was the number two Vegas betting favorite to go number one overall, behind Darnold, for most of the process.
Linked article is one of many pre-draft putting Allen at or near top of draft.
You have to admit they did get very lucky that Trent Williams came back as a 32 yr old after missing a year and went right back to being a top LT. as well as having Alex Mack at 36 play well as a C
They do have a lot of good players who play well as a team
You have to admit they did get very lucky that Trent Williams came back as a 32 yr old after missing a year and went right back to being a top LT. as well as having Alex Mack at 36 play well as a C
They do have a lot of good players who play well as a team
It actually seems to somewhat common to see teams find useful veterans on the OL. The Rams have gotten much more mileage out of Whitworth than anyone could have expected, for example.
It looks remarkable from our vantage point, because our graybeard OL contingent either retire or suck.
Just look at the Niners front office, all these guys below Lynch getting interviews. No one has requested an interview from the Giants FO, unless it was Accorsi consulting a team (Abrams-Detroit).
Who do the Giants have in their front office? Abrams & Pettit? Awful.
Not only do the Giants need a GM, they need multiple personnel people brought in below the GM.
The results of the past decade speak for themselves
Adam Peters is interviewing for the Giants GM job today. One potential HC candidate, there, is Brian Flores. When Flores got into the NFL, it was on the personnel side under Scott Pioli. His friend and a fellow young scout in New England during those years? Adam Peters. - per Peter Schrager
But big major question mark is who he fills as his OC.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
Color me less than impressed.
I like Poles/Pederson combo the most still.
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If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
Color me less than impressed.
No Bosa and Warner. Also he had a top 10 defense in points, top 3 defense in yards allowed and top 10 in dvoa. It's legit. Dallas scored 17 points with all those injuries on defense for SF.
this counters peppers thoughts in another thread re pederson I think, but perhaps just his opinions rather than inside info.
you hearing anything juicy about the gm/hc search overall jonc?
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If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
Color me less than impressed.
No Bosa and Warner. Also he had a top 10 defense in points, top 3 defense in yards allowed and top 10 in dvoa. It's legit. Dallas scored 17 points with all those injuries on defense for SF.
The Packers beat the 49ers this year in part because Ryans allowed a big throw by Rodgers to Adams to quickly get into FG range.
One could say that it takes a Rodgers to make that kind of throw (more or less true, only a few QBs could've done it), but seems like it could've been stopped.
Frustrating stuff, but correctable. Can't teach the rest.
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If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
Color me less than impressed.
I certainly wouldn't base an entire resume on that. But when he did start to protect sidelines the cowboys had to go to the middle of the field.....and how did that go...
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Is a Californian.
May not want to come East.
These guys are vying for top jobs in their very limited industry. I don’t think physical location matters all that much. And I know plenty of people in the NY metro area that are from the west coast. If he doesn’t get the job or want to come here, being from CA likely has nothing to do with it.
I agree with you on this UConn.
I'm a native New Jerseyan, but my career track took me out west for a few years and then I steered myself back east because I wanted to be closer to family and friends. But when I was out west, I still had all sorts of telecom at my disposal and life was basically the same.
If anything, the things I miss are more from out there (roadside breakfast burritos and roasted chilis) than the things I missed from here when I was out there (Taylor Ham and good prosciutto).
Either way, the biggest difference was time zone. Family finds a way.
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If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
Color me less than impressed.
Wait, you think that was a flawed strategy?
SF let Dallas run out the clock on themselves. Even if McCarthy/Moore/Prescott hadn't been dumb enough to execute a running play and then even dumber to not know that they needed to hand the ball to the umpire, they were playing for a single shot to the end zone. SF was guarding the end zone all along. You can't lose the game on the sidelines.
But big major question mark is who he fills as his OC.
That would be my thought as well. The Shanahan offensive coaching tree has been picked clean recently, not sure who he would have in mind for OC.
YESSSSSSSS
YESSSSSSSS
We were about to hire a GM, so 5BS is excited to say "no we won't!"
Yup. Im on the Peters train but do not expect him to get it. I also love the idea of Mike McDaniel coaching here, but there is 0% chance of that happening
I still think Schoen is the odds-on favorite, and I refuse to let myself root for Peters because I know Mara won't let him bring McDaniel along as HC. I could probably talk myself into Ryans, but McDaniel would be awesome, and I've been associating Peters and McDaniel all along.
I still think Schoen is the odds-on favorite, and I refuse to let myself root for Peters because I know Mara won't let him bring McDaniel along as HC. I could probably talk myself into Ryans, but McDaniel would be awesome, and I've been associating Peters and McDaniel all along.
I too love McDaniel but can’t see Mara letting It fly no matter what he says. McDaniel wouldn’t come over if he was the play caller? I know he’s an OC but wasn’t sure of his playcalling role
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I still think Schoen is the odds-on favorite, and I refuse to let myself root for Peters because I know Mara won't let him bring McDaniel along as HC. I could probably talk myself into Ryans, but McDaniel would be awesome, and I've been associating Peters and McDaniel all along.
I'm firmly in the Peters camp and find McDaniel extremely interesting, too. Peters is bold, but McDaniel would indeed be too bold for Mara - IMV.
I wouldn't be surprised if York makes Peters an offer he can't refuse and takes Peters out of the market. On the other hand, the 9ers, from what I hear, feel very good about their bench depth in the front office.
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If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
Color me less than impressed.
It really is true what they say. You're only as good as your last game (that you won and held the opponent to less than 20 points).
SF has its place at the tops of the league in defense. Your standard is weird.
Who do the Giants have in their front office? Abrams & Pettit? Awful.
Not only do the Giants need a GM, they need multiple personnel people brought in below the GM.
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so Peters as an add-on during Poles' interview is a twist.
I still think Schoen is the odds-on favorite, and I refuse to let myself root for Peters because I know Mara won't let him bring McDaniel along as HC. I could probably talk myself into Ryans, but McDaniel would be awesome, and I've been associating Peters and McDaniel all along.
I too love McDaniel but can’t see Mara letting It fly no matter what he says. McDaniel wouldn’t come over if he was the play caller? I know he’s an OC but wasn’t sure of his playcalling role
McDaniel is not the playcaller for SF; Shanahan retains that role. But SF would have to grant him permission for a lateral move (this applies to any assistant under contract moving to another assistant role, regardless of title if it's not HEAD COACH). Shanahan and Lynch have been reluctant to grant permission for any of their assistants to leave, and I would assume they'd tighten up even further if we hired one of their top brass as GM.
based on Mara's history.
He should list the GM Candidates 1 thru 3 of how he wants them.
Then pick #3
lol
Who do the Giants have in their front office? Abrams & Pettit? Awful.
Not only do the Giants need a GM, they need multiple personnel people brought in below the GM.
Quite horrifying. Even more scary, there were quite a few folks here (and elsewhere) arguing on here for YEARS, that they should keep these people in charge.
Yikes.
Chris Mara in 2008 with ATL. Then probably thought “oh fuck, I’m not giving up my ownership stake in NYG.” Oof.
It’s a good question. I think we’ll know who the GM is tomorrow night.
That said, Peters going last and giving a great overriding impression cannot hurt chances at all.
I think him and Schoen are the ones the braintrust has to decide between. Poles is intriguing, but his experience is a bit limited to one organization, kind of a sole focus on college scouting until recently and it seems like he only just took on role of managing staff and may not be experienced enough whereas other two have managed larger departments or portfolios as well as staff over multiple orgs.
Would need to trade for him.
I'm not crazy about it, but not the worst thing either depend on comp. Def not 1st round.
They had 9 choices. I never thought of Hortiz as a top choice. All I heard about him was.. he's a Ravens lifer.. what has he done? What is he actually responsible for that would help the Giants? I wanted to hear more than..
"the Ravens are solid and he has been there.."
KC drafting the last cpl years has been least impressive of the 3. Now the roster is stacked, so it is harder for a draft pick to get on the feild and make an impression, but there are some turds in there if you look. The Oline rebuild this year is fucking awesome tho. Poles is young and maybe needs some more seasoning. which is a small strike IMO. he has been with 1 org (not my preference) but 2 regimes (impressive)
San Fran drafts IMO were the best. The team is well built, and built from ashes. Shanahan is a superior offensive coach and an NFL lifer at a very young age. I am sure his input in draft and personell is extremely weighted considering he essentially hired the FO. Peters excelled at 2 orgs which is a plus, besides the inside scuttlebut on his accumen.
My personal #1 is schoen. Personally the guy came from nothing -working class family with no NFL ties. started in the ticket office. Has experience in 3 orgs (promoted and/ or poached at all stops. The Bills drafts have been very good (a half notch below SF IMO) but the approach to free agency is excellent. The right amount of aggression and good eval. He also revived a franchise from ashes, including complete moderizition of the FO. +++, Lastly he identified a QB and pulled the trigger on a contreversial decion. My memory of 2018 was Allen was QB4 going in. Tools galore, but level of comp, and horrible accuracy issues. They got that right.
Veach is credited with Mahommes, andLance is TBD. Allen is legit.
So there is my .02
I've read articles recently that Peters is a big reason why SF drafted Deebo, Fred Warner and George Kittle.
The article on Deebo is linked
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If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
Color me less than impressed.
It really is true what they say. You're only as good as your last game (that you won and held the opponent to less than 20 points).
SF has its place at the tops of the league in defense. Your standard is weird.
Especially considering Dallas needed a TD on that drive and ran their final play with 14 seconds left from the 40 yard line. Also thought the Dallas offense executed a hook and ladder play to perfection which accounted for a huge chunk of yardage in that sequence.
Also, they held Dallas, who averaged over 31ppg, to 19 points in ATT stadium...not sure you can ask for much more out of Ryans unit
Nope. It was Mayfield who was the clear #4 throughout the draft process -- until Dorsey finally had to start telling people in the Browns' org where he was going and word leaked just before the draft.
Allen was the number two Vegas betting favorite to go number one overall, behind Darnold, for most of the process.
Linked article is one of many pre-draft putting Allen at or near top of draft.
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Yes, today. I could see a decision leaking tonight.
They do have a lot of good players who play well as a team
They do have a lot of good players who play well as a team
It actually seems to somewhat common to see teams find useful veterans on the OL. The Rams have gotten much more mileage out of Whitworth than anyone could have expected, for example.
It looks remarkable from our vantage point, because our graybeard OL contingent either retire or suck.
Who do the Giants have in their front office? Abrams & Pettit? Awful.
Not only do the Giants need a GM, they need multiple personnel people brought in below the GM.
The results of the past decade speak for themselves