Tom Pelissero
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The #Giants are scheduled to conduct a second interview with #49ers assistant general manager Adam Peters for their GM job Thursday, per source.
Peters is the third known finalist in New York, joining Buffalo’s Joe Schoen and Kansas City’s Ryan Poles.
is my choice too. Even thought Lynch is the GM, Peters is the brains behind the operation in SF and has been for a few yrs. Would be an absolute HOMERUN hire to get him.
And have to give credit to their list as a whole. I'd be happy with anyone that got a second interview so far.
While we're on the subject, they've done a good job of keeping quiet who was interviewing and when. Schoen was already in the building before it reported, Poles wasn't announced until later in the day and Peters wasn't reported until the day before either. No leaks giving the final 3 Monday night or anything like that.
is my choice too. Even thought Lynch is the GM, Peters is the brains behind the operation in SF and has been for a few yrs. Would be an absolute HOMERUN hire to get him.
Peters and Shanahan run the draft from what some 49ers fans told me. While Carthan focuses on free agency
Just looking at the drafts he’s been involved in and his role. Lots of gems in the middle and late rounds. No surprise that the 49ers are having success. I really like all 3 of these candidates just think Peters sticks out the most to me.
Counterpoint: plenty of Californians are leaving. Read an article they were out of U-Hauls.
He is California-proof because of the money he makes. I lived in LA for 11 years and left 9 years ago. People are leaving because they cant afford to buy a house, cant afford the high taxes/gas prices, and the covid protocols/ political climate
But with the money Peters makes, he doesnt have to leave
just scout. The thing that I find very intriguing about Schoen is that he really is an apprentice of Beane. Poles and Peters seem to me to be more in the Gettleman crew of scouting. Now, there is nothing wrong with that, but one of the things that I felt I was lacking under Gettleman was his ability to grasp the big picture. Schoen, only on resume and prior responsibilities, seems to me to be someone who really has all the right credentials on paper.
Part of building a great draft profile in San Fran. I'm not a huge fan of Schoens body of work and I don't want Dabol as a head coach so I'm hoping he gets it.
is staggeringly impressive. Solid hits in a variety of rounds and positions on both sides of the ball as well. Mark me down as an instant fan if his opinion drove a lot of those evals/decisions.
Peters was with Denver before that and started with Patriots.
Anybody take a look at the Broncos draft record when Peters was there?
He is California-proof because of the money he makes. I lived in LA for 11 years and left 9 years ago. People are leaving because they cant afford to buy a house, cant afford the high taxes/gas prices, and the covid protocols/ political climate
But with the money Peters makes, he doesnt have to leave
This is true for some people (especially Socal). Northern California is a completely different story. Due to the nature of my job, I work with a lot of people (many of which are very wealthy) who lived in the bay area and have left in the past two years for non financial reasons.
Just looking at the drafts he’s been involved in and his role. Lots of gems in the middle and late rounds. No surprise that the 49ers are having success. I really like all 3 of these candidates just think Peters sticks out the most to me.
Agreed. Just looking at his drafts make you drool. Not perfect, but mostly solid picks early on, and a lot of later round contributors.
2017: Soloman Thomas and Foster in the 1st two rounds, but Kittle in the 5th
2018: McGlinchey in the 1st, Warner in the 3rd
2019: Bosa and Deebo with the 1st two picks.
2020: Kinlaw and Aiyuk with the 1st two picks, Jennings in the 7th
2021: Mitchell in the 6th. Early to tell on Lance, but hearing good things on him.
The original interview list was excellent. They winnowed that down to the three I like best, FWIW. They chose the two asst GM's on the list and the BC grad.
Maybe we have made a sea-change. Pick one now, then let them do their job and we'll put a competitive team on the field again.
Patriots, Denver (the good years) and now with the Niners who have drafted well. Be interested to know who all these potential candidates would seek as the HC.
would be really exciting too...have heard great things about Ryans and he stifled a cowboys offense which was impressive with a lot of the game without Nick Bosa too.
If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
Horitz and Schoen were my favorite two options but the more I learn about Peters the more I like. If I had to choose between the options today I would probably go with Peters.
would be really exciting too...have heard great things about Ryans and he stifled a cowboys offense which was impressive with a lot of the game without Nick Bosa too.
Also lost Fred Warner later in the game for a good number of snaps.
would be really exciting too...have heard great things about Ryans and he stifled a cowboys offense which was impressive with a lot of the game without Nick Bosa too.
Also lost Fred Warner later in the game for a good number of snaps.
indeed....with not many known corners he really had an amazing plan against Lamb and Cooper and frustrated Dak all game.
Then explain why he is getting on the plane to come interview? Does he just want to see what NJ looks like in January? If he is offered the position of course he is coming east.
Has a connection with Josh McDaniels during his time with the Patriots. This is of course in addition to the obvious connection with the current 49ers OC Mike McDaniel.
That Peters is just using us for negotiating leverage with the 49ers to get the job he really wants: 49ers GM. My concern is we offer to Peters, who wasn't really serious, and Schoen takes the Bears job bc he feels jilted.
But every single candidate comes with red flags or is a complete unknown. I'm open to him but really have now idea how flaky he actually is. If him and Peters are close professionally, they came up around the same time in NE, then that should alleviate some of those concerns.
RE: DeMeco Ryans would be a very interesting candidate
These guys are vying for top jobs in their very limited industry. I don’t think physical location matters all that much. And I know plenty of people in the NY metro area that are from the west coast. If he doesn’t get the job or want to come here, being from CA likely has nothing to do with it.
There was a time I would relocate for a job, and now I'm much less inclined to do so. Some want warm weather, some want to be close to home, and some have the cv to give them the ability to choose based on their personal wants.
Once again, no one's turning down a chance to be an NFL GM
He is California-proof because of the money he makes. I lived in LA for 11 years and left 9 years ago. People are leaving because they cant afford to buy a house, cant afford the high taxes/gas prices, and the covid protocols/ political climate
But with the money Peters makes, he doesnt have to leave
This is true for some people (especially Socal). Northern California is a completely different story. Due to the nature of my job, I work with a lot of people (many of which are very wealthy) who lived in the bay area and have left in the past two years for non financial reasons.
Thats why I said he doesnt HAVE to leave, like so many do. Also why I listed the other reasons people are leaving, including covid protocols/political climate (which could be the reasons the people you know are leaving)
I feel he is the reason Lynch is sucsessful in San Fran. He was the first hire Lynch made.
I don't have a super-strong preference because none of us have a clue exactly what these guys have done or what soft skills they possess but he would be my slight lean for that reason. Lynch had zero front office experience but was able to surround himself with a lot of bright minds in both the front office and coaching. That's a skill. Not the worst idea to lean on his judgement there with Peters being his first hire.
who would be best of the group, but based on what I've read I wouldn't be upset with any of these three finalists. With preference towards Peters and Schoen and the coaches they could potentially poach from their current organizations.
I'm getting the sense that Hortiz may have withdrawn. Hard to believe he's fourth in the current rankings, and he's the only one with no gameday conflicts to work around.
RE: Interesting how far off the Giants reservation Peters is
If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
Color me less than impressed.
No Bosa and Warner. Also he had a top 10 defense in points, top 3 defense in yards allowed and top 10 in dvoa. It's legit. Dallas scored 17 points with all those injuries on defense for SF.
If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
Color me less than impressed.
No Bosa and Warner. Also he had a top 10 defense in points, top 3 defense in yards allowed and top 10 in dvoa. It's legit. Dallas scored 17 points with all those injuries on defense for SF.
The Packers beat the 49ers this year in part because Ryans allowed a big throw by Rodgers to Adams to quickly get into FG range.
One could say that it takes a Rodgers to make that kind of throw (more or less true, only a few QBs could've done it), but seems like it could've been stopped.
Frustrating stuff, but correctable. Can't teach the rest.
If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
Color me less than impressed.
I certainly wouldn't base an entire resume on that. But when he did start to protect sidelines the cowboys had to go to the middle of the field.....and how did that go...
These guys are vying for top jobs in their very limited industry. I don’t think physical location matters all that much. And I know plenty of people in the NY metro area that are from the west coast. If he doesn’t get the job or want to come here, being from CA likely has nothing to do with it.
I agree with you on this UConn.
I'm a native New Jerseyan, but my career track took me out west for a few years and then I steered myself back east because I wanted to be closer to family and friends. But when I was out west, I still had all sorts of telecom at my disposal and life was basically the same.
If anything, the things I miss are more from out there (roadside breakfast burritos and roasted chilis) than the things I missed from here when I was out there (Taylor Ham and good prosciutto).
Either way, the biggest difference was time zone. Family finds a way.
If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
Color me less than impressed.
Wait, you think that was a flawed strategy?
SF let Dallas run out the clock on themselves. Even if McCarthy/Moore/Prescott hadn't been dumb enough to execute a running play and then even dumber to not know that they needed to hand the ball to the umpire, they were playing for a single shot to the end zone. SF was guarding the end zone all along. You can't lose the game on the sidelines.
It was appearing like the job was coming down between Schoen and Poles….so I am very happy to hear…..NOT SO FAST….Peters will be in the house tomorrow.
It was appearing like the job was coming down between Schoen and Poles….so I am very happy to hear…..NOT SO FAST….Peters will be in the house tomorrow.
YESSSSSSSS
We were about to hire a GM, so 5BS is excited to say "no we won't!"
Yup. Im on the Peters train but do not expect him to get it. I also love the idea of Mike McDaniel coaching here, but there is 0% chance of that happening
QB is the whole enchilada. Without a great QB, you're not winning it all. Can Peters judge QB talent? He gave up the farm for Trey Lance, who's riding the bench. Meanwhile, Joe Schoen, a former college QB, drafted Josh Allen, and he's All-World. Just something to think about.
so Peters as an add-on during Poles' interview is a twist.
I still think Schoen is the odds-on favorite, and I refuse to let myself root for Peters because I know Mara won't let him bring McDaniel along as HC. I could probably talk myself into Ryans, but McDaniel would be awesome, and I've been associating Peters and McDaniel all along.
RE: It has felt like Schoen vs. the field all along
so Peters as an add-on during Poles' interview is a twist.
I still think Schoen is the odds-on favorite, and I refuse to let myself root for Peters because I know Mara won't let him bring McDaniel along as HC. I could probably talk myself into Ryans, but McDaniel would be awesome, and I've been associating Peters and McDaniel all along.
I too love McDaniel but can’t see Mara letting It fly no matter what he says. McDaniel wouldn’t come over if he was the play caller? I know he’s an OC but wasn’t sure of his playcalling role
so Peters as an add-on during Poles' interview is a twist.
I still think Schoen is the odds-on favorite, and I refuse to let myself root for Peters because I know Mara won't let him bring McDaniel along as HC. I could probably talk myself into Ryans, but McDaniel would be awesome, and I've been associating Peters and McDaniel all along.
I'm firmly in the Peters camp and find McDaniel extremely interesting, too. Peters is bold, but McDaniel would indeed be too bold for Mara - IMV.
I wouldn't be surprised if York makes Peters an offer he can't refuse and takes Peters out of the market. On the other hand, the 9ers, from what I hear, feel very good about their bench depth in the front office.
If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
Color me less than impressed.
It really is true what they say. You're only as good as your last game (that you won and held the opponent to less than 20 points).
SF has its place at the tops of the league in defense. Your standard is weird.
Just look at the Niners front office, all these guys below Lynch getting interviews. No one has requested an interview from the Giants FO, unless it was Accorsi consulting a team (Abrams-Detroit).
Who do the Giants have in their front office? Abrams & Pettit? Awful.
Not only do the Giants need a GM, they need multiple personnel people brought in below the GM.
RE: RE: It has felt like Schoen vs. the field all along
so Peters as an add-on during Poles' interview is a twist.
I still think Schoen is the odds-on favorite, and I refuse to let myself root for Peters because I know Mara won't let him bring McDaniel along as HC. I could probably talk myself into Ryans, but McDaniel would be awesome, and I've been associating Peters and McDaniel all along.
I too love McDaniel but can’t see Mara letting It fly no matter what he says. McDaniel wouldn’t come over if he was the play caller? I know he’s an OC but wasn’t sure of his playcalling role
McDaniel is not the playcaller for SF; Shanahan retains that role. But SF would have to grant him permission for a lateral move (this applies to any assistant under contract moving to another assistant role, regardless of title if it's not HEAD COACH). Shanahan and Lynch have been reluctant to grant permission for any of their assistants to leave, and I would assume they'd tighten up even further if we hired one of their top brass as GM.
Not to quibble-but I will, Haha-but didn't Chris Mara interview with ATL when the Falcons had a GM opening? & didn't Abrams with Detroit when they had an opening?
Just look at the Niners front office, all these guys below Lynch getting interviews. No one has requested an interview from the Giants FO, unless it was Accorsi consulting a team (Abrams-Detroit).
Who do the Giants have in their front office? Abrams & Pettit? Awful.
Not only do the Giants need a GM, they need multiple personnel people brought in below the GM.
Quite horrifying. Even more scary, there were quite a few folks here (and elsewhere) arguing on here for YEARS, that they should keep these people in charge.
Not to quibble-but I will, Haha-but didn't Chris Mara interview with ATL when the Falcons had a GM opening? & didn't Abrams with Detroit when they had an opening?
Chris Mara in 2008 with ATL. Then probably thought “oh fuck, I’m not giving up my ownership stake in NYG.” Oof.
The second interviews are in same before, after sequences as the first round (Schoen, Poles, Peters).
That said, Peters going last and giving a great overriding impression cannot hurt chances at all.
I think him and Schoen are the ones the braintrust has to decide between. Poles is intriguing, but his experience is a bit limited to one organization, kind of a sole focus on college scouting until recently and it seems like he only just took on role of managing staff and may not be experienced enough whereas other two have managed larger departments or portfolios as well as staff over multiple orgs.
They had 9 choices. I never thought of Hortiz as a top choice. All I heard about him was.. he's a Ravens lifer.. what has he done? What is he actually responsible for that would help the Giants? I wanted to hear more than..
KC drafting the last cpl years has been least impressive of the 3. Now the roster is stacked, so it is harder for a draft pick to get on the feild and make an impression, but there are some turds in there if you look. The Oline rebuild this year is fucking awesome tho. Poles is young and maybe needs some more seasoning. which is a small strike IMO. he has been with 1 org (not my preference) but 2 regimes (impressive)
San Fran drafts IMO were the best. The team is well built, and built from ashes. Shanahan is a superior offensive coach and an NFL lifer at a very young age. I am sure his input in draft and personell is extremely weighted considering he essentially hired the FO. Peters excelled at 2 orgs which is a plus, besides the inside scuttlebut on his accumen.
My personal #1 is schoen. Personally the guy came from nothing -working class family with no NFL ties. started in the ticket office. Has experience in 3 orgs (promoted and/ or poached at all stops. The Bills drafts have been very good (a half notch below SF IMO) but the approach to free agency is excellent. The right amount of aggression and good eval. He also revived a franchise from ashes, including complete moderizition of the FO. +++, Lastly he identified a QB and pulled the trigger on a contreversial decion. My memory of 2018 was Allen was QB4 going in. Tools galore, but level of comp, and horrible accuracy issues. They got that right.
Veach is credited with Mahommes, andLance is TBD. Allen is legit.
If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
Color me less than impressed.
It really is true what they say. You're only as good as your last game (that you won and held the opponent to less than 20 points).
SF has its place at the tops of the league in defense. Your standard is weird.
Especially considering Dallas needed a TD on that drive and ran their final play with 14 seconds left from the 40 yard line. Also thought the Dallas offense executed a hook and ladder play to perfection which accounted for a huge chunk of yardage in that sequence.
Also, they held Dallas, who averaged over 31ppg, to 19 points in ATT stadium...not sure you can ask for much more out of Ryans unit
My memory of 2018 was Allen was QB4 going in. Tools galore, but level of comp, and horrible accuracy issues. They got that right.
Nope. It was Mayfield who was the clear #4 throughout the draft process -- until Dorsey finally had to start telling people in the Browns' org where he was going and word leaked just before the draft.
Allen was the number two Vegas betting favorite to go number one overall, behind Darnold, for most of the process.
Linked article is one of many pre-draft putting Allen at or near top of draft.
You have to admit they did get very lucky that Trent Williams came back as a 32 yr old after missing a year and went right back to being a top LT. as well as having Alex Mack at 36 play well as a C
They do have a lot of good players who play well as a team
You have to admit they did get very lucky that Trent Williams came back as a 32 yr old after missing a year and went right back to being a top LT. as well as having Alex Mack at 36 play well as a C
They do have a lot of good players who play well as a team
It actually seems to somewhat common to see teams find useful veterans on the OL. The Rams have gotten much more mileage out of Whitworth than anyone could have expected, for example.
It looks remarkable from our vantage point, because our graybeard OL contingent either retire or suck.
Just look at the Niners front office, all these guys below Lynch getting interviews. No one has requested an interview from the Giants FO, unless it was Accorsi consulting a team (Abrams-Detroit).
Who do the Giants have in their front office? Abrams & Pettit? Awful.
Not only do the Giants need a GM, they need multiple personnel people brought in below the GM.
The results of the past decade speak for themselves
Adam Peters is interviewing for the Giants GM job today. One potential HC candidate, there, is Brian Flores. When Flores got into the NFL, it was on the personnel side under Scott Pioli. His friend and a fellow young scout in New England during those years? Adam Peters. - per Peter Schrager
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The #Giants are scheduled to conduct a second interview with #49ers assistant general manager Adam Peters for their GM job Thursday, per source.
Peters is the third known finalist in New York, joining Buffalo’s Joe Schoen and Kansas City’s Ryan Poles.
I like Schoen/Poles
But I love the way the 49ers find talent.
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Adam Peters is headed to NJ today for an interview with the #Giants for their GM job.
Could be, but how do we know?
I'll be happy with any of them.
While we're on the subject, they've done a good job of keeping quiet who was interviewing and when. Schoen was already in the building before it reported, Poles wasn't announced until later in the day and Peters wasn't reported until the day before either. No leaks giving the final 3 Monday night or anything like that.
Is a Californian.
May not want to come East.
Is a Californian.
May not want to come East.
I thought that too but why go through all the effort to fly east if you don't really want the job?
Is a Californian.
May not want to come East.
Counterpoint: plenty of Californians are leaving. Read an article they were out of U-Hauls.
I'll be happy with any of them.
Peters is interviewing Thursday, not today.
Peters and Shanahan run the draft from what some 49ers fans told me. While Carthan focuses on free agency
Is a Californian.
May not want to come East.
That is a concern. I have a feeling the Yorks might make an aggressive move to keep him. Move Lynch is a higher title and give Peters the GM title.
Is a Californian.
May not want to come East.
Wasn’t he with the Patriots at one point?
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Is a Californian.
May not want to come East.
Wasn’t he with the Patriots at one point?
Yep
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Something to keep in mind here: Adam Peters and Brian Flores came up through the Patriots scouting department together.
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Best of the bunch.
Could be, but how do we know?
Just looking at the drafts he’s been involved in and his role. Lots of gems in the middle and late rounds. No surprise that the 49ers are having success. I really like all 3 of these candidates just think Peters sticks out the most to me.
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Is a Californian.
May not want to come East.
Counterpoint: plenty of Californians are leaving. Read an article they were out of U-Hauls.
He is California-proof because of the money he makes. I lived in LA for 11 years and left 9 years ago. People are leaving because they cant afford to buy a house, cant afford the high taxes/gas prices, and the covid protocols/ political climate
But with the money Peters makes, he doesnt have to leave
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Poles and Peters get done today. So we could be looking at a selection possibly tomorrow.
I'll be happy with any of them.
Peters is interviewing Thursday, not today.
Ugh I was thinking today was Thursday oy vey🤦🏽♂️
Peters was with Denver before that and started with Patriots.
Anybody take a look at the Broncos draft record when Peters was there?
He is California-proof because of the money he makes. I lived in LA for 11 years and left 9 years ago. People are leaving because they cant afford to buy a house, cant afford the high taxes/gas prices, and the covid protocols/ political climate
But with the money Peters makes, he doesnt have to leave
This is true for some people (especially Socal). Northern California is a completely different story. Due to the nature of my job, I work with a lot of people (many of which are very wealthy) who lived in the bay area and have left in the past two years for non financial reasons.
We have 3 great candidates now.
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Best of the bunch.
Could be, but how do we know?
Just looking at the drafts he’s been involved in and his role. Lots of gems in the middle and late rounds. No surprise that the 49ers are having success. I really like all 3 of these candidates just think Peters sticks out the most to me.
Agreed. Just looking at his drafts make you drool. Not perfect, but mostly solid picks early on, and a lot of later round contributors.
2017: Soloman Thomas and Foster in the 1st two rounds, but Kittle in the 5th
2018: McGlinchey in the 1st, Warner in the 3rd
2019: Bosa and Deebo with the 1st two picks.
2020: Kinlaw and Aiyuk with the 1st two picks, Jennings in the 7th
2021: Mitchell in the 6th. Early to tell on Lance, but hearing good things on him.
Maybe we have made a sea-change. Pick one now, then let them do their job and we'll put a competitive team on the field again.
they are referring to the SF OC not Josh
I think the above was a reference to Mike McDaniel the 49ers OC.
I assume he meant Mike McDaniel which would be a ballsy hire but he does give off serious McVay vibes
I think he meant Mike McDaniel not Josh McDaniels.
Peters + Ryan
would be really exciting too...have heard great things about Ryans and he stifled a cowboys offense which was impressive with a lot of the game without Nick Bosa too.
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Peters + Ryan
would be really exciting too...have heard great things about Ryans and he stifled a cowboys offense which was impressive with a lot of the game without Nick Bosa too.
Also lost Fred Warner later in the game for a good number of snaps.
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Peters + Ryan
would be really exciting too...have heard great things about Ryans and he stifled a cowboys offense which was impressive with a lot of the game without Nick Bosa too.
Also lost Fred Warner later in the game for a good number of snaps.
indeed....with not many known corners he really had an amazing plan against Lamb and Cooper and frustrated Dak all game.
Is a Californian.
May not want to come East.
Then explain why he is getting on the plane to come interview? Does he just want to see what NJ looks like in January? If he is offered the position of course he is coming east.
Peters+Ryans would be so refreshing. Idk if it would work, but would feel modern for once.
Is a Californian.
May not want to come East.
These guys are vying for top jobs in their very limited industry. I don’t think physical location matters all that much. And I know plenty of people in the NY metro area that are from the west coast. If he doesn’t get the job or want to come here, being from CA likely has nothing to do with it.
Do you mean Josh McDaniels or the current 49ers OC, Mike McDaniel?
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He is California-proof because of the money he makes. I lived in LA for 11 years and left 9 years ago. People are leaving because they cant afford to buy a house, cant afford the high taxes/gas prices, and the covid protocols/ political climate
But with the money Peters makes, he doesnt have to leave
This is true for some people (especially Socal). Northern California is a completely different story. Due to the nature of my job, I work with a lot of people (many of which are very wealthy) who lived in the bay area and have left in the past two years for non financial reasons.
Thats why I said he doesnt HAVE to leave, like so many do. Also why I listed the other reasons people are leaving, including covid protocols/political climate (which could be the reasons the people you know are leaving)
I don't have a super-strong preference because none of us have a clue exactly what these guys have done or what soft skills they possess but he would be my slight lean for that reason. Lynch had zero front office experience but was able to surround himself with a lot of bright minds in both the front office and coaching. That's a skill. Not the worst idea to lean on his judgement there with Peters being his first hire.
Ryan Poles is doing an in person today.
Yeah I wasn't fully believing Peters wouldn't leave but since he is getting to a 2nd interview it opens up so many possibilities I wasn't considering.
Ryans jumps to the top of the list for me.
Agreed. Damn this is exciting. And at the same time... terrifying... lol
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Do you mean Josh McDaniels or the current 49ers OC, Mike McDaniel?
Mike McDaneils, want no part of Josh
I'd love to get a defensive HC, although it probably makes sense to get a former OC. Ryans sounds great.
I’m very encouraged by how the search is being conducted.
I'm getting the sense that Hortiz may have withdrawn. Hard to believe he's fourth in the current rankings, and he's the only one with no gameday conflicts to work around.
I’m very encouraged by how the search is being conducted.
That's a big draw for me, too.
Time for Mara to get out of his comfort zone.
But big major question mark is who he fills as his OC.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
Color me less than impressed.
I like Poles/Pederson combo the most still.
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If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
Color me less than impressed.
No Bosa and Warner. Also he had a top 10 defense in points, top 3 defense in yards allowed and top 10 in dvoa. It's legit. Dallas scored 17 points with all those injuries on defense for SF.
this counters peppers thoughts in another thread re pederson I think, but perhaps just his opinions rather than inside info.
you hearing anything juicy about the gm/hc search overall jonc?
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If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
Color me less than impressed.
No Bosa and Warner. Also he had a top 10 defense in points, top 3 defense in yards allowed and top 10 in dvoa. It's legit. Dallas scored 17 points with all those injuries on defense for SF.
The Packers beat the 49ers this year in part because Ryans allowed a big throw by Rodgers to Adams to quickly get into FG range.
One could say that it takes a Rodgers to make that kind of throw (more or less true, only a few QBs could've done it), but seems like it could've been stopped.
Frustrating stuff, but correctable. Can't teach the rest.
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If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
Color me less than impressed.
I certainly wouldn't base an entire resume on that. But when he did start to protect sidelines the cowboys had to go to the middle of the field.....and how did that go...
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Is a Californian.
May not want to come East.
These guys are vying for top jobs in their very limited industry. I don’t think physical location matters all that much. And I know plenty of people in the NY metro area that are from the west coast. If he doesn’t get the job or want to come here, being from CA likely has nothing to do with it.
I agree with you on this UConn.
I'm a native New Jerseyan, but my career track took me out west for a few years and then I steered myself back east because I wanted to be closer to family and friends. But when I was out west, I still had all sorts of telecom at my disposal and life was basically the same.
If anything, the things I miss are more from out there (roadside breakfast burritos and roasted chilis) than the things I missed from here when I was out there (Taylor Ham and good prosciutto).
Either way, the biggest difference was time zone. Family finds a way.
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If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
Color me less than impressed.
Wait, you think that was a flawed strategy?
SF let Dallas run out the clock on themselves. Even if McCarthy/Moore/Prescott hadn't been dumb enough to execute a running play and then even dumber to not know that they needed to hand the ball to the umpire, they were playing for a single shot to the end zone. SF was guarding the end zone all along. You can't lose the game on the sidelines.
But big major question mark is who he fills as his OC.
That would be my thought as well. The Shanahan offensive coaching tree has been picked clean recently, not sure who he would have in mind for OC.
YESSSSSSSS
YESSSSSSSS
We were about to hire a GM, so 5BS is excited to say "no we won't!"
Yup. Im on the Peters train but do not expect him to get it. I also love the idea of Mike McDaniel coaching here, but there is 0% chance of that happening
I still think Schoen is the odds-on favorite, and I refuse to let myself root for Peters because I know Mara won't let him bring McDaniel along as HC. I could probably talk myself into Ryans, but McDaniel would be awesome, and I've been associating Peters and McDaniel all along.
I still think Schoen is the odds-on favorite, and I refuse to let myself root for Peters because I know Mara won't let him bring McDaniel along as HC. I could probably talk myself into Ryans, but McDaniel would be awesome, and I've been associating Peters and McDaniel all along.
I too love McDaniel but can’t see Mara letting It fly no matter what he says. McDaniel wouldn’t come over if he was the play caller? I know he’s an OC but wasn’t sure of his playcalling role
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I still think Schoen is the odds-on favorite, and I refuse to let myself root for Peters because I know Mara won't let him bring McDaniel along as HC. I could probably talk myself into Ryans, but McDaniel would be awesome, and I've been associating Peters and McDaniel all along.
I'm firmly in the Peters camp and find McDaniel extremely interesting, too. Peters is bold, but McDaniel would indeed be too bold for Mara - IMV.
I wouldn't be surprised if York makes Peters an offer he can't refuse and takes Peters out of the market. On the other hand, the 9ers, from what I hear, feel very good about their bench depth in the front office.
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If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
Color me less than impressed.
It really is true what they say. You're only as good as your last game (that you won and held the opponent to less than 20 points).
SF has its place at the tops of the league in defense. Your standard is weird.
Who do the Giants have in their front office? Abrams & Pettit? Awful.
Not only do the Giants need a GM, they need multiple personnel people brought in below the GM.
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so Peters as an add-on during Poles' interview is a twist.
I still think Schoen is the odds-on favorite, and I refuse to let myself root for Peters because I know Mara won't let him bring McDaniel along as HC. I could probably talk myself into Ryans, but McDaniel would be awesome, and I've been associating Peters and McDaniel all along.
I too love McDaniel but can’t see Mara letting It fly no matter what he says. McDaniel wouldn’t come over if he was the play caller? I know he’s an OC but wasn’t sure of his playcalling role
McDaniel is not the playcaller for SF; Shanahan retains that role. But SF would have to grant him permission for a lateral move (this applies to any assistant under contract moving to another assistant role, regardless of title if it's not HEAD COACH). Shanahan and Lynch have been reluctant to grant permission for any of their assistants to leave, and I would assume they'd tighten up even further if we hired one of their top brass as GM.
based on Mara's history.
He should list the GM Candidates 1 thru 3 of how he wants them.
Then pick #3
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Who do the Giants have in their front office? Abrams & Pettit? Awful.
Not only do the Giants need a GM, they need multiple personnel people brought in below the GM.
Quite horrifying. Even more scary, there were quite a few folks here (and elsewhere) arguing on here for YEARS, that they should keep these people in charge.
Yikes.
Chris Mara in 2008 with ATL. Then probably thought “oh fuck, I’m not giving up my ownership stake in NYG.” Oof.
It’s a good question. I think we’ll know who the GM is tomorrow night.
That said, Peters going last and giving a great overriding impression cannot hurt chances at all.
I think him and Schoen are the ones the braintrust has to decide between. Poles is intriguing, but his experience is a bit limited to one organization, kind of a sole focus on college scouting until recently and it seems like he only just took on role of managing staff and may not be experienced enough whereas other two have managed larger departments or portfolios as well as staff over multiple orgs.
Would need to trade for him.
I'm not crazy about it, but not the worst thing either depend on comp. Def not 1st round.
They had 9 choices. I never thought of Hortiz as a top choice. All I heard about him was.. he's a Ravens lifer.. what has he done? What is he actually responsible for that would help the Giants? I wanted to hear more than..
"the Ravens are solid and he has been there.."
KC drafting the last cpl years has been least impressive of the 3. Now the roster is stacked, so it is harder for a draft pick to get on the feild and make an impression, but there are some turds in there if you look. The Oline rebuild this year is fucking awesome tho. Poles is young and maybe needs some more seasoning. which is a small strike IMO. he has been with 1 org (not my preference) but 2 regimes (impressive)
San Fran drafts IMO were the best. The team is well built, and built from ashes. Shanahan is a superior offensive coach and an NFL lifer at a very young age. I am sure his input in draft and personell is extremely weighted considering he essentially hired the FO. Peters excelled at 2 orgs which is a plus, besides the inside scuttlebut on his accumen.
My personal #1 is schoen. Personally the guy came from nothing -working class family with no NFL ties. started in the ticket office. Has experience in 3 orgs (promoted and/ or poached at all stops. The Bills drafts have been very good (a half notch below SF IMO) but the approach to free agency is excellent. The right amount of aggression and good eval. He also revived a franchise from ashes, including complete moderizition of the FO. +++, Lastly he identified a QB and pulled the trigger on a contreversial decion. My memory of 2018 was Allen was QB4 going in. Tools galore, but level of comp, and horrible accuracy issues. They got that right.
Veach is credited with Mahommes, andLance is TBD. Allen is legit.
So there is my .02
I've read articles recently that Peters is a big reason why SF drafted Deebo, Fred Warner and George Kittle.
The article on Deebo is linked
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If Adam Peters gets the Giants GM job, 49ers DC DeMeco Ryans will surely be on his coach list. One scout told me in 30-plus years of visiting campuses, he never heard more people rave about a prospect's leadership, intelligence & character than he heard about Alabama's Ryans.
The guy who failed to have his defense protect the boundaries on the final drive against Dallas and let them walk down the field unchecked until Dak and company stopped themselves?
Color me less than impressed.
It really is true what they say. You're only as good as your last game (that you won and held the opponent to less than 20 points).
SF has its place at the tops of the league in defense. Your standard is weird.
Especially considering Dallas needed a TD on that drive and ran their final play with 14 seconds left from the 40 yard line. Also thought the Dallas offense executed a hook and ladder play to perfection which accounted for a huge chunk of yardage in that sequence.
Also, they held Dallas, who averaged over 31ppg, to 19 points in ATT stadium...not sure you can ask for much more out of Ryans unit
Nope. It was Mayfield who was the clear #4 throughout the draft process -- until Dorsey finally had to start telling people in the Browns' org where he was going and word leaked just before the draft.
Allen was the number two Vegas betting favorite to go number one overall, behind Darnold, for most of the process.
Linked article is one of many pre-draft putting Allen at or near top of draft.
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Yes, today. I could see a decision leaking tonight.
They do have a lot of good players who play well as a team
They do have a lot of good players who play well as a team
It actually seems to somewhat common to see teams find useful veterans on the OL. The Rams have gotten much more mileage out of Whitworth than anyone could have expected, for example.
It looks remarkable from our vantage point, because our graybeard OL contingent either retire or suck.
Who do the Giants have in their front office? Abrams & Pettit? Awful.
Not only do the Giants need a GM, they need multiple personnel people brought in below the GM.
The results of the past decade speak for themselves