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Post Early-Entrant Deadline Mock Draft

Sy'56 : 1/19/2022 1:09 pm
Hi all-

Some things happening with the company I am working for. They have asked me to do 3 mock drafts. One after the early-entrant deadline, one after the combine, one prior to the draft. I don't love these because of the variables that change everything in the coming months but they can at least generate discussion.

Will be around most of today and then back tonight if anyone wants to chat back and forth.

Thanks

Post Early Entrant Deadline Mock Draft:

1: JACKSONVILLE – Evan Neal – OT/Alabama

Priority number one for this franchise is seeing to the best effort and allocation of assets to protect their #1 overall pick from 2021, quarterback Trevor Lawrence. Neal played three positions in three seasons at Alabama and will project to anywhere the new coaching staff sees fit.

2: DETROIT – Aidan Hutchinson – DE/Michigan

The culture being built in Detroit did not produce many wins in 2021, but nearly half of their losses were by one score. The biggest margin they need to make up resides on defense against the pass, where Hutchinson fits in like a block both with that blue collar culture and impact on the edge.

3: HOUSTON – Derek Stingley Jr – CB/LSU

Quarterback Davis Mills proved enough as a rookie on a poor team that he can be the guy moving forward, leaving the door open for a true best player available approach by Nick Caserio and his staff. Stingley, a prototype for the cornerback position, will need to prove he is healthy to warrant this spot.

4: NEW YORK (A) – Kavon Thibodeaux – DE/Oregon

No team in the league allowed more points and yards than the Jets. Defensive Head Coach Robert Saleh knows the best way to turn that around starts with the pass rush and knowing his history in San Francisco, they will pump as many resources into their line as possible starting with a premiere talent in Thibodeaux.

5: NEW YORK (N) – Charles Cross – OT/Mississippi State

There is no point in trying to fix anything else until the holes are filled up front with credible talent that can be ready to compete at a high level over the next year or two. Cross can shift to right tackle and appears pro-ready right now with plus size and body control.

6: CAROLINA – Matt Corral – QB/Mississippi

The Matt Rhule era has not gotten off to a quality start both in the win column (10 in 2 years) and when it comes to building the offense. Their quarterback situation needs a solution and Corral fits the mold with arm and athletic talent.

7: NEW YORK (N) – Ikem Ekwonu – OG/North Carolina State

Two picks in the top seven can go one of two directions, spread out the assets or double dip. I choose the latter to help shorten the gap between their offensive line and everything else on the roster with Ekwonu, a tackle-guard hybrid that brings elite talent to the table even though he may not be ready right away.

8: ATLANTA – Kyle Hamilton – S/Notre Dame

It has been 5 years since Atlanta has put out a top-10 defense when it comes to points and yards allowed respectively and they’ve never done it in consecutive years within the Super Bowl era. Hamilton is the kind of the difference maker that can wear multiple hats, all of them at a high level.

9: DENVER – Malik Willis – QB/Liberty

The lack of success Denver has had in the draft at quarterback should not deter them from going after another first round talent. Willis can do it all but simply needs to be seasoned for a year while Drew Lock gets his final shot in his contract year.

10: NEW YORK – Ahmad Gardner – CB/Cincinnati

The Jets double dip on defense to and bring in a corner that has credible shut-down ability. Gardner is a tall and long cover man with the speed and acceleration to run with anyone down the field. He did not allow a single touchdown in college.

11: WASHINGTON - Sam Howell – QB/North Carolina

The pieces are in place on both sides of the ball as Ron Rivera enters year three at the wheel. Although Tyler Heinicke put forth an admirable effort in relief of Ryan Fitzpatrick this past fall, the entire upside of this team is limited by moderate ceiling. Time for them to make their aggressive move at the most important position in the game rather than shopping at the dollar store.

12: MINNESOTA – Andrew Booth – CB/Clemson

The Vikings have pumped a lot of resources into the defensive backfield but the past two years have been horrid against the pass. It is time for them to go out and swing for the fences, using a top-12 selection on an aggressive corner that is dripping with tools.

13: CLEVELAND – Jameson Williams – WR/Alabama

Another year, another first round Alabama receiver that will be ready to contribute right away despite a torn ACL suffered in early January. The Cleveland receivers have a lot of question marks and in order for them to offset and maximize their strong running game, they need a true number one threat.

14: BALTIMORE – George Karlaftis III – DE/Purdue

With how often the Ravens’ defense gets multiple, Karlaftis’ versatility as an outside defender fits in like a glove. They’ve lose some of their personality up front and this heavy-handed, developing edge threat will produce equally against the run and pass alike.

15: PHILADELPHIA – Devin Lloyd – LB/Utah

The Eagles’ defense lacks a true general in the middle of the field and this is the area of the first round where you will see the off-ball linebackers come off the board. Lloyd brings the size, speed, and tenacity to go along with his high-IQ that will get him on the field right away.

16: PHILADELPHIA – Garrett Wilson – WR/Ohio State

Jalen Reagor won’t have many lives left after two disappointing seasons and this front office needs to keep feeding weapons to Jalen Hurts if they want their passing game to catch up to their league-best performance on the ground. Wilson is a natural pass catcher with elite movement skills that can create before and after the catch.

17: LOS ANGELES (A) – Kenyon Green – OG/Texas A& M

The Chargers hit a home run with their selection of tackle Rashawn Slater last year. With a blossoming quarterback on a rookie contract for at least another two seasons, maximizing the protection up front with a versatile mauler like Green would be wise.

18: NEW ORLEANS – Daxton Hill – S/Michigan

Hill could realistically project to safety or cornerback at the next level. His speed and reaction time excels in more zone-based roles, but the versatility here could further elevate the Saints defense to a truly elite unit as they try to piece together their offense again.

19: PHILADELPHIA – Lewis Cine – S/Georgia

If the back end of this Eagles defense can stay up to par with what they produce up front, watch out. Cine blossomed toward the back half of 2021 on the nation’s best defense. He is all over the place and can thrive in an interchangeable safety role.

20: PITTSBURGH – Kenny Pickett – QB/Pittsburgh

Almost seems like a situation that is too good to be true, a story perfect for sports. The Steelers do not have their long time answer at quarterback on the current roster and Pickett surged at the right time as a senior, earning a first round grade.

21: NEW ENGLAND – Chris Olave – WR/Ohio State

Mac Jones did not have a lot of success and consistency throwing the ball downfield as a rookie and part of that reasoning was the lack of true downfield threats. Olave is pro ready right now and will pose as a threat on all levels of the route tree with his quickness, route proficiency, and ball tracking.

22: LAS VEGAS – Tyler Linderbaum – OC/Iowa

A lot is changing with the Raiders but do not forget that this was a playoff team despite numerous serious distractions. Their culture of leadership made the difference and Linderbaum can be the next piece to that puzzle at a spot that needs an upgrade.

23: ARIZONA – Trey McBride – TE/Colorado State

The Cardinals know how important a true threat at tight end is to their offense, as seen with the in-season trade for Zach Ertz who is a free agent this spring. McBride brings the credible every down impact to this offense with an incredibly high ceiling as a pass catcher.

24: DALLAS – Trevor Penning – OT/Northern Iowa

A lot needs to be done with this Cowboys offense that averaged 39 points per game over a four-game stretch toward the first half of the year and 37.5 points per game over a four-game stretch toward the end of the year. Inconsistency was found up front and Penning could realistically project to tackle or guard at the next level.

25: CINCINNATI – Travon Walker – DE/Georgia

Listed at defensive end, Walker can live inside on passing downs to give an already-strong group of Bengals pass rushers a truly elite ceiling. The identity of this defense can complement an offense that appears to be on the brink of the league’s next high-scoring attack.

26: MIAMI – Nakobe Dean – LB/Georgia

The speed at the second level of this defense could use one more upgrade and there is no better option in that department than Dean, a natural leader to any defense he becomes a part of. Him and Jerome Baker will give them a 1-2 punch that can make a true difference week to week.

27: BUFFALO – Treylon Burks – WR/Arkansas

Innovative minds that are willing to keep an open mind to new ways on offense will love what Burks brings to the table. Similar to what we saw out of Deebo Samuel and Cordarrelle Patterson in 2021, Burks can evolve into a versatile threat that feeds off a system that already produces yards and points.

28: DETROIT – Drake London – WR/USC

Even though this front office and coaching staff are on the same page with building this franchise through the trenches, every credible passing game has multiple credible options in the passing game. London was heading toward a record-setting season prior to a foot injury in 2021 and appears to be an ideal complement to Amon-Ra St.Brown in the slot.

29: KANSAS CITY – David Ojabo – OLB/Michigan

The Chiefs have been trying to piece together production from the edge, but the results have been very inconsistent. Bringing in Ojabo, a raw but tools-rich presence should keep that progression track on the way up in coming years.

30: TAMPA BAY – David Bell – WR/Purdue

The system will continue to put weapons around Tom Brady, plain and simple. With Chris Godwin heading toward free agency on a bad wheel and Antonio Brown gone for good, Bell brings in an NFL-ready skill set and intelligence that will suit the passing game well.

31: TENNESSEE – Jahan Dotson – WR/Penn State

It was clear this receiver room lacked depth when AJ Brown and Julio Jones were off the field. Jones long-term status with the club is not known and it further opens the door for Dotson, an inside-out threat with the best pair of hands in the class and a route running skill set that is already better than most pro receivers.

32: GREEN BAY - DeMarvin Leal – DT/Texas A& M

Leal is a versatile threat that moved all over the defensive front in college. While Green Bay appears set along the starting defensive line, they could use one more moveable chess piece to add more consistency to their pass rush.
Not gonna lie  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/19/2022 1:12 pm : link
I love Cross and Ekwonu for the Giants. Build a dominant unit.
Totally agree with your giants picks  
Earl the goat : 1/19/2022 1:13 pm : link
Although if cross isn’t there I’d pick Kenyon Green from Texas A and M and put Ikem and green at both guard spots

Can get a RT later on
Possibly kid from TCU
Wish our OL didn't suck so bad  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/19/2022 1:18 pm : link
And we could grab the LB from Utah or Georgia...
I like it  
illmatic : 1/19/2022 1:20 pm : link
I didn’t think Cross could play RT but if he can and if Ekwonu can play at OG this would be an amazing draft.
Sy'56  
Milton : 1/19/2022 1:22 pm : link
Would it shock the hell out of you if the Jaguars selected Drake London first overall? I'm only saying this because he surely has very long odds right now and I'm contemplating placing a wager on him to go #1. I just think there's a possibility that the Jags go the WR route to help out Lawrence if they aren't enamored with the OL choices and a 6'5" target with 4.4 speed (who was, as you say, on a record setting pace before injury) is a QB's wet dream. And I probably won't get better odds on London than whatever the hell they are right now.
thanks for posting  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 1/19/2022 1:23 pm : link
I would not be opposed to go OL both times. Cross is becoming my early favorite pick for #5.

I noticed you have Ojabo going at 29th. I've seen him mocked all over the place, even to us at #7. Raw but talen-rich as you put it. Do you think he's a guy who you might shoot up your rankings after athletic tests at the Cobmine/Pro Day?

I like how high you have Sam Howell going. He's my favorite QB in this draft. I was kind of hoping the Giants would have a shot at him in Round 2, which is where I've seen other mock drafts have him go. Am I right in thinking Howell's ceiling is higher than any of the other top QB prospects outside of Willis?
I would  
Bones : 1/19/2022 1:24 pm : link
Love this as well. I wonder if the Jets took Ekwonu instead of Thibodeaux, how that would have effected your Giants picks.
Thanks Sy  
Chocco : 1/19/2022 1:27 pm : link
Are you thinking Jax let's Cam Robinson walk or is this strictly the case of them taking the best player available at 1.
RE: Wish our OL didn't suck so bad  
Bones : 1/19/2022 1:27 pm : link
In comment 15560992 GiantsRage2007 said:
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And we could grab the LB from Utah or Georgia...


I wouldn’t be against taking Lloyd at 7 myself. It would be painful watching the Eagles select him.
Hamilton & McKinney  
Thegratefulhead : 1/19/2022 1:28 pm : link
Sy, how tempted were you to mock Hamilton at 7. He could be a gold jacket guy IMO.
Nice mock  
armstead98 : 1/19/2022 1:31 pm : link
It shows that there are 3 OL worthy of the top 7 picks and then a big drop off.

If those are gone then Giants will have to look at other positions, and players like Hamilton could be in play.

Interesting you have Ojabo so low.
Let's go  
adamg : 1/19/2022 1:34 pm : link
Do it Shoen..
RE: Sy'56  
Sy'56 : 1/19/2022 1:34 pm : link
In comment 15560995 Milton said:
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Would it shock the hell out of you if the Jaguars selected Drake London first overall? I'm only saying this because he surely has very long odds right now and I'm contemplating placing a wager on him to go #1. I just think there's a possibility that the Jags go the WR route to help out Lawrence if they aren't enamored with the OL choices and a 6'5" target with 4.4 speed (who was, as you say, on a record setting pace before injury) is a QB's wet dream. And I probably won't get better odds on London than whatever the hell they are right now.


Can't say I am very comfortable giving gambling advice...

But I will say there is a chance London is the first WR taken. He will have to test out VERY well and obviously prove the foot is good to go.

Personally I can't see him in top 10 though. I like London, but he had a few drops I hated to see and he isn't as physical as you would think.
This draft has sold me on one thing  
beatrixkiddo : 1/19/2022 1:36 pm : link
If Sy’ believes there are two QBs taken in the top 10 as of this moment, I hope to hell this team trades down to a needy team that wants one and gets another haul of picks. This team won’t be making any signings in FA with our cap situation, and you have to think a new GM and HC will be looking at next year as the year to bring in their QB. They will need ammo and can likely land one or two OL if they really wanted to with trade downs while building more pick capital this year and next.
RE: thanks for posting  
Sy'56 : 1/19/2022 1:36 pm : link
In comment 15560998 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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I would not be opposed to go OL both times. Cross is becoming my early favorite pick for #5.

I noticed you have Ojabo going at 29th. I've seen him mocked all over the place, even to us at #7. Raw but talen-rich as you put it. Do you think he's a guy who you might shoot up your rankings after athletic tests at the Cobmine/Pro Day?

I like how high you have Sam Howell going. He's my favorite QB in this draft. I was kind of hoping the Giants would have a shot at him in Round 2, which is where I've seen other mock drafts have him go. Am I right in thinking Howell's ceiling is higher than any of the other top QB prospects outside of Willis?


Ojabo is one of the guys that could project anywhere right now. The tools are real, he is still very new to the game so his progression scale can be steeper than most if not all prospects. But he was a beneficiary to a ton of single team blockers and I didn't see enough success on the inside shoulder to warrant a top 15 pick.
RE: Thanks Sy  
Sy'56 : 1/19/2022 1:36 pm : link
In comment 15561003 Chocco said:
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Are you thinking Jax let's Cam Robinson walk or is this strictly the case of them taking the best player available at 1.


Long term hedge and a 2022 improvement up front. Neal can play anywhere other than OC
RE: Hamilton & McKinney  
Sy'56 : 1/19/2022 1:37 pm : link
In comment 15561007 Thegratefulhead said:
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Sy, how tempted were you to mock Hamilton at 7. He could be a gold jacket guy IMO.


The idea of Hamilton is a fun one. Him and McKinney along with the versatility they already have with Ryan and Love could be a DCs wet dream
thanks Sy!  
Victor in CT : 1/19/2022 1:39 pm : link
and yes please on these 2 picks
Sy - Much Appreciated As Always (Trade Downs ???)  
Trainmaster : 1/19/2022 1:39 pm : link
With you having QBs going to Carolina at #6, Denver at #9 and Washington at #11, how likely do you think it would be that the Giants get an "offer they can't refuse" by either Denver to jump ahead of Carolina at #5 or at #7 to prevent Washington from jumping ahead of them at #9?

Ignoring the trade value chart, what compensation do you think the Giants would be looking at (say limited to 2022 picks)? Moving back to #9 or #11 and say, picking up extra 2nd and / or 3rd rounders in 2022 seems pretty attractive.

Giants seem like they'd still have a chance to get one or both of the guys you have them taking at #5 and #7.

Picking 2 OL in the 1st round will create cap issues down the line  
cosmicj : 1/19/2022 1:40 pm : link
With Thomas and these two guys all on big 2nd contracts in the future.

That’s a best possible outcome, right, because it means all are excellent players. For that reason, I would not double up on a unit in the 1st. Plenty of good OL get drafted in rounds 2 and after.
RE: Sy'56  
Earl the goat : 1/19/2022 1:40 pm : link
In comment 15560995 Milton said:
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Would it shock the hell out of you if the Jaguars selected Drake London first overall? I'm only saying this because he surely has very long odds right now and I'm contemplating placing a wager on him to go #1. I just think there's a possibility that the Jags go the WR route to help out Lawrence if they aren't enamored with the OL choices and a 6'5" target with 4.4 speed (who was, as you say, on a record setting pace before injury) is a QB's wet dream. And I probably won't get better odds on London than whatever the hell they are right now.




I think Jahan Dotson is best WR in draft not named Jameson and a torn ACL
Hard to discuss trades at this point  
Sy'56 : 1/19/2022 1:41 pm : link
NYG has a lot of picks in a draft that is incredibly deep because of what Covid did to eligibility.

This is a very good opportunity top build that base that will help this team win in 2023...possibly with a rookie QB at the wheel
A G and T, that would fix the right side for 10 years!  
Jack Stroud : 1/19/2022 1:41 pm : link
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Hell to the Yeah  
averagejoe : 1/19/2022 1:41 pm : link
This is what Giants need to do. In this scenario we may never see Wil Hernandez again, God willing.
Cross and Ekwonu would immediately improve our offensive line.  
Ira : 1/19/2022 1:41 pm : link
I'd be very happy with those picks.
RE: RE: Sy'56  
Sy'56 : 1/19/2022 1:41 pm : link
In comment 15561035 Earl the goat said:
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In comment 15560995 Milton said:


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Would it shock the hell out of you if the Jaguars selected Drake London first overall? I'm only saying this because he surely has very long odds right now and I'm contemplating placing a wager on him to go #1. I just think there's a possibility that the Jags go the WR route to help out Lawrence if they aren't enamored with the OL choices and a 6'5" target with 4.4 speed (who was, as you say, on a record setting pace before injury) is a QB's wet dream. And I probably won't get better odds on London than whatever the hell they are right now.





I think Jahan Dotson is best WR in draft not named Jameson and a torn ACL


I am big on Dotson...the size is going t hurt the top end grade and ceiling though.
Exciting  
JB_in_DC : 1/19/2022 1:43 pm : link
that 3 OL could make the grade at our picks. With no Front 7 blue chips available here, I am DOWN.
RE: Picking 2 OL in the 1st round will create cap issues down the line  
Sy'56 : 1/19/2022 1:43 pm : link
In comment 15561034 cosmicj said:
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With Thomas and these two guys all on big 2nd contracts in the future.

That’s a best possible outcome, right, because it means all are excellent players. For that reason, I would not double up on a unit in the 1st. Plenty of good OL get drafted in rounds 2 and after.


That is a consideration. But it would not be a significant issue for another 5 years. Hard to say no to that if these guys pan out.
This thread  
SJGiant : 1/19/2022 1:51 pm : link
Should be pinned
RE: Hard to discuss trades at this point  
adamg : 1/19/2022 1:52 pm : link
In comment 15561036 Sy'56 said:
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NYG has a lot of picks in a draft that is incredibly deep because of what Covid did to eligibility.

This is a very good opportunity top build that base that will help this team win in 2023...possibly with a rookie QB at the wheel


Thoughts on day 2 QBs?
Draft  
Archer : 1/19/2022 1:52 pm : link
I am not a fan of using the top two picks for the OL

I prefer Ekwonu to Cross much better run blocker and a better fit at Right Tackle

I would draft Ekwonu and the best player available if the Giants do not trade down.

As for the draft and your rankings there are certain players who I prefer that you have downgraded in the draft
My favorite player in the draft is Dean.
I like Karlaftis, Hamilton, Ojabu, Linderbaum, more than you seem to.

Also, I will be shocked if Willis is drafted in the first round. I have watched all his games thinking he could be a fit for the Giants. How is it possible that a player with his talent is so bad against inferior competition? I expected to see a dominant player and was sorely disappointed.
Sy whats your top 10  
Dankbeerman : 1/19/2022 1:54 pm : link
overall, not by fit.

RE: London  
BigBlueDawg56 : 1/19/2022 1:55 pm : link
Sy. he is 75-1. I like your rationale. I'm in!! thanks
RE: Picking 2 OL in the 1st round will create cap issues down the line  
adamg : 1/19/2022 1:55 pm : link
In comment 15561034 cosmicj said:
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With Thomas and these two guys all on big 2nd contracts in the future.

That’s a best possible outcome, right, because it means all are excellent players. For that reason, I would not double up on a unit in the 1st. Plenty of good OL get drafted in rounds 2 and after.


Why? Why would this create any different kind of cap issues that nailing two picks at any position?

Cowboys and Eagles managed to keep their OL together for a decade...
SY 56  
Earl the goat : 1/19/2022 2:05 pm : link
I notice you don’t have Jordan Davis in first round Honestly I do think Trayvon is the better player

Regarding Georgia’s linebackers of course Nakobe should be a first rounder but I’m also high on Quay Walker and Channing Tindall

I’d love the giants to draft one or both in third round
Your thoughts please
RE: RE: Hard to discuss trades at this point  
Sy'56 : 1/19/2022 2:06 pm : link
In comment 15561055 adamg said:
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In comment 15561036 Sy'56 said:


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NYG has a lot of picks in a draft that is incredibly deep because of what Covid did to eligibility.

This is a very good opportunity top build that base that will help this team win in 2023...possibly with a rookie QB at the wheel



Thoughts on day 2 QBs?


I am all about it if you think the value is right. I can say right now Malik Willis in round 2 is an option and even more than that, an ideal look here for NYG. Let him sit, let Jones play out 2022 if the neck clears.

If he plays poorly. goodbye. If he plays well, you have a nice problem on your hands. That and...Willis can still contribute as a package player in 2022. The guy is built like a thick running back
RE: Draft  
Sy'56 : 1/19/2022 2:08 pm : link
In comment 15561058 Archer said:
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I am not a fan of using the top two picks for the OL

I prefer Ekwonu to Cross much better run blocker and a better fit at Right Tackle

I would draft Ekwonu and the best player available if the Giants do not trade down.

As for the draft and your rankings there are certain players who I prefer that you have downgraded in the draft
My favorite player in the draft is Dean.
I like Karlaftis, Hamilton, Ojabu, Linderbaum, more than you seem to.

Also, I will be shocked if Willis is drafted in the first round. I have watched all his games thinking he could be a fit for the Giants. How is it possible that a player with his talent is so bad against inferior competition? I expected to see a dominant player and was sorely disappointed.


He may end up being a 3-4th rounder to be honest.

Senior Bowl will be enormous for him, maybe more than anyone else.

But...did you see his OL? Haven't seen an OL that bad in a very long time.
RE: SY 56  
Sy'56 : 1/19/2022 2:10 pm : link
In comment 15561099 Earl the goat said:
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I notice you don’t have Jordan Davis in first round Honestly I do think Trayvon is the better player

Regarding Georgia’s linebackers of course Nakobe should be a first rounder but I’m also high on Quay Walker and Channing Tindall

I’d love the giants to draft one or both in third round
Your thoughts please


I am writing my reports on Georgia defenders right now. Walker is higher than Davis at the moment for me. Davis just isn't an every down guy and he didn't impact the passing game enough. I like him, but I think he is lesser than what we see out of Dexter Lawrence.

I am all about the 3 Georgia LBs. All are starters in the NFL...Tindall has some growing up to do though.
RE: RE: RE: Hard to discuss trades at this point  
adamg : 1/19/2022 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15561103 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 15561036 Sy'56 said:


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NYG has a lot of picks in a draft that is incredibly deep because of what Covid did to eligibility.

This is a very good opportunity top build that base that will help this team win in 2023...possibly with a rookie QB at the wheel



Thoughts on day 2 QBs?



I am all about it if you think the value is right. I can say right now Malik Willis in round 2 is an option and even more than that, an ideal look here for NYG. Let him sit, let Jones play out 2022 if the neck clears.

If he plays poorly. goodbye. If he plays well, you have a nice problem on your hands. That and...Willis can still contribute as a package player in 2022. The guy is built like a thick running back


Thanks, buddy. I with you there.
I have heard that it is a very deep OL draft on the interior  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/19/2022 2:11 pm : link
with many OL coming back for a extra year of college from the pandemic. While I understand the need to finally fix the OL we still need impact playmakers all over the roster. Hopefully they can trade down twice. The GM/HC combo will drive the thought process and I believe speed and physicality will be a theme.

Certainly like the players you picked. I think the new regime will want a very good OL for when they address the QB position. Thanks for efforts.

Sy  
Archer : 1/19/2022 2:19 pm : link
My difficulty with Willis is that he took 51 sacks.
In many of these sacks he actually ran into the sacks.

He does not feel pressure and he does not release the ball in a timely way making himself a target.

The Senior Bowl will be important for him but I fear that he is not ready for the NFL

He should have returned for another year



RE: RE: SY 56  
Earl the goat : 1/19/2022 2:20 pm : link
In comment 15561118 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 15561099 Earl the goat said:


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I notice you don’t have Jordan Davis in first round Honestly I do think Trayvon is the better player

Regarding Georgia’s linebackers of course Nakobe should be a first rounder but I’m also high on Quay Walker and Channing Tindall

I’d love the giants to draft one or both in third round
Your thoughts please



I am writing my reports on Georgia defenders right now. Walker is higher than Davis at the moment for me. Davis just isn't an every down guy and he didn't impact the passing game enough. I like him, but I think he is lesser than what we see out of Dexter Lawrence.

I am all about the 3 Georgia LBs. All are starters in the NFL...Tindall has some growing up to do though.


Ok thx so much. Will be awaiting you write ups. Can’t wait. You do a fantastic job

Just for the record. Quay Walker will be a pro bowl player for many years
RE: Sy  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/19/2022 2:26 pm : link
In comment 15561139 Archer said:
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My difficulty with Willis is that he took 51 sacks.
In many of these sacks he actually ran into the sacks.

He does not feel pressure and he does not release the ball in a timely way making himself a target.

The Senior Bowl will be important for him but I fear that he is not ready for the NFL

He should have returned for another year




That and all the prep draft work. I agree with you. I am not seeing the appeal but we will see. His running average was 4.5 yards so I am not sure where the LJ comparisons are coming from against a much lower level of competition. NFL is still a pass first league from the pocket. Look at all the QB's in the playoffs.
RE: RE: Picking 2 OL in the 1st round will create cap issues down the line  
cosmicj : 1/19/2022 2:29 pm : link
In comment 15561067 adamg said:
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In comment 15561034 cosmicj said:


Why? Why would this create any different kind of cap issues that nailing two picks at any position?

Cowboys and Eagles managed to keep their OL together for a decade...


Sure, it can be done but it places a lot of stress on the cap structure. The Titans experience with Tyler Lewan and Conklin illiustratethe dilemma. One of the few times a really good young OT has hit the market and I’m sure the team hated letting it happen.

I’m all for getting a superb OL with one of those 1st rounders but the Giants have to start drafting solid OL in rounds 3-5 to fill out their roster.
Oh No, not you Sy...  
Festina Lente : 1/19/2022 2:31 pm : link
You've been sucked into the never-ending mock-draft vortex as well? I feel for you
RE: Sy  
Sy'56 : 1/19/2022 2:33 pm : link
In comment 15561139 Archer said:
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My difficulty with Willis is that he took 51 sacks.
In many of these sacks he actually ran into the sacks.

He does not feel pressure and he does not release the ball in a timely way making himself a target.

The Senior Bowl will be important for him but I fear that he is not ready for the NFL

He should have returned for another year




You may be right. He also could have taken another 20 if he wasn't so fast.
Sy  
Boatie Warrant : 1/19/2022 2:46 pm : link
Did you look at the mock from a "what you would do" perspective or a "what the team will do" perspective? I know you don't seem to like doing mocks but I am curious of your approach.
RE: Sy  
Sy'56 : 1/19/2022 2:50 pm : link
In comment 15561199 Boatie Warrant said:
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Did you look at the mock from a "what you would do" perspective or a "what the team will do" perspective? I know you don't seem to like doing mocks but I am curious of your approach.


What I think teams will do....

One of the reasons I don't like doing these, ha
Question regarding I sure LB'S  
Festina Lente : 1/19/2022 2:56 pm : link
I see you have N. DEAN going quite lower then i have heard. I wonder who you think is the best cover linebacker and who you might think could be a fit for the Giants?
Sy  
19th Hole : 1/19/2022 3:04 pm : link
Would it be a stretch to consider Devin Lloyd at 7 for the Giants? I really miss the days of having good linebackers. Any other LB's to consider in 2nd round? Thanks!
Thanks Sy  
DonnieD89 : 1/19/2022 3:13 pm : link
When you made your projections for the Giants, did you pair the value with need. I see Cross and Ekwonu ranging in the top 15. Are picks number five and seven appropriate for their value?
You really think Cross has the build  
jeff57 : 1/19/2022 3:21 pm : link
And style of play to fit on the right side?
SY - I love it  
giantstock : 1/19/2022 3:50 pm : link
And thanks for putting this out there so early.

I love it if no trade downs or moves into 2023.

Love it.
RE: RE: thanks for posting  
Snablats : 1/19/2022 4:47 pm : link
In comment 15561019 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 15560998 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:


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I would not be opposed to go OL both times. Cross is becoming my early favorite pick for #5.

I noticed you have Ojabo going at 29th. I've seen him mocked all over the place, even to us at #7. Raw but talen-rich as you put it. Do you think he's a guy who you might shoot up your rankings after athletic tests at the Cobmine/Pro Day?

I like how high you have Sam Howell going. He's my favorite QB in this draft. I was kind of hoping the Giants would have a shot at him in Round 2, which is where I've seen other mock drafts have him go. Am I right in thinking Howell's ceiling is higher than any of the other top QB prospects outside of Willis?



Ojabo is one of the guys that could project anywhere right now. The tools are real, he is still very new to the game so his progression scale can be steeper than most if not all prospects. But he was a beneficiary to a ton of single team blockers and I didn't see enough success on the inside shoulder to warrant a top 15 pick.

Exactly. Ojabo is all projection and the Giants can't do that the top of this draft
Was your approach...  
bw in dc : 1/19/2022 5:01 pm : link
for this draft based on need or BPA at the draft slot?

For the Giants, it reads more like need. Which is more than fine with me.
Thank you Sy  
Mark from Jersey : 1/19/2022 5:03 pm : link
for sharing this with us. Hope all is well.
Thanks Sy.  
Pepe LePugh : 1/19/2022 5:35 pm : link
FWIW I love the 3 mock concept. I’ll be fascinated to see how change there will be. The players don’t change, but perception of their values change drastically before the draft. Also love to see which of the three most accurately reflects performance a few years from now!
I'd rather take 1 OL and 1 defender in the 1st round  
jamalduff123 : 1/19/2022 6:13 pm : link
I wouldn't hate it if they took 2 OL in the 1st round, but there is pretty good OL depth in this draft, so you could probably get another good one in the 2nd or 3rd round. And use #7 to get Hamilton, Dean, Karlaftis, etc.
Great mock  
armstead98 : 1/19/2022 6:35 pm : link
Interesting order, it’s definitely unique, I like that you have Willis as the 1st QB off the board.

Also we’ll written, you get to the point.
JFC...  
bw in dc : 1/19/2022 6:43 pm : link
those Philly selections are superb - Lloyd, Wilson, and Cine.

To me, those are "add water and stir" starters from day one.
Lloyd and Dean are guys I like too  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 1/19/2022 7:13 pm : link
Would be a fan of trading down and getting one of those 2.
Sy  
carousel : 1/19/2022 7:21 pm : link
Which players that you think should be in the range for the Giants to target talent-wise at picks 5 and 7 are the most scheme specific? I'm interested what to be looking for when the coaching staff is hired in terms of best fits.

For example, do Cross or Ekwonu have a more favorable projection for a particular blocking scheme? Which players toward the top stand out the most as needing to be a scheme fit?
Thank you Sy a few questions for you  
Eric on Li : 1/19/2022 7:29 pm : link
Brugler had Ekwonu 1OA in his mock today, do you see that kind of talent / film where he could rise that far?

Linderbaum seems to be hyped up as the best interior OL since Nelson, do you see him anywhere near that level?

I'd guess you're a Muma fan, any thoughts on him or Tindall if they are there in rd 2? Both would seem good fits next to Martinez.
RE: Question regarding I sure LB'S  
Sy'56 : 1/20/2022 9:38 am : link
In comment 15561218 Festina Lente said:
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I see you have N. DEAN going quite lower then i have heard. I wonder who you think is the best cover linebacker and who you might think could be a fit for the Giants?


The issue some are going to have with Dean is the lack of length. Some teams crossed Patrick Queen and Devin Bush off their boards in recent years. It factors against the pass and blockers respectively.

Dean is going to measure shorter than both.
RE: Sy  
Sy'56 : 1/20/2022 9:39 am : link
In comment 15561228 19th Hole said:
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Would it be a stretch to consider Devin Lloyd at 7 for the Giants? I really miss the days of having good linebackers. Any other LB's to consider in 2nd round? Thanks!


I am huge on getting at least one very good LB on the field, I prefer 2. If you're asking me, yes Lloyd and Dean can be in play at this moment.

Many overlook how bad the LB play was after Martinez went down. They need a guy next to him that may possibly take over the MIKE role in 2023.
RE: Thanks Sy  
Sy'56 : 1/20/2022 9:40 am : link
In comment 15561235 DonnieD89 said:
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When you made your projections for the Giants, did you pair the value with need. I see Cross and Ekwonu ranging in the top 15. Are picks number five and seven appropriate for their value?


Yes I mixed value and need...all teams do.

Cross and Ekwonu are both top 10 talents, no question.
RE: Thank you Sy a few questions for you  
Sy'56 : 1/20/2022 9:41 am : link
In comment 15561510 Eric on Li said:
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Brugler had Ekwonu 1OA in his mock today, do you see that kind of talent / film where he could rise that far?

Linderbaum seems to be hyped up as the best interior OL since Nelson, do you see him anywhere near that level?

I'd guess you're a Muma fan, any thoughts on him or Tindall if they are there in rd 2? Both would seem good fits next to Martinez.


Ekwonu is probably the best athlete among all the OL. He has inside-out experience, he plays big and mean. Yes, he could end up being the first player taken overall.
And Eric on Li  
Sy'56 : 1/20/2022 9:45 am : link
I don't think Linderbaum is in the same stratosphere as Nelson. 1st rounder, yes. But closer to Garrett Bradbury than Nelson for sure.

I like Muma (want to see him at Sr Bowl) and Tindall is a freak athlete. Hasn't picked it up mentally yet.
Give me Hamilton and Ike  
JonC : 1/20/2022 9:49 am : link
both sides of the ball need instant upgrades, and there they are.
RE: RE: Thank you Sy a few questions for you  
Mike in NY : 1/20/2022 9:50 am : link
In comment 15561897 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 15561510 Eric on Li said:


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Brugler had Ekwonu 1OA in his mock today, do you see that kind of talent / film where he could rise that far?

Linderbaum seems to be hyped up as the best interior OL since Nelson, do you see him anywhere near that level?

I'd guess you're a Muma fan, any thoughts on him or Tindall if they are there in rd 2? Both would seem good fits next to Martinez.



Ekwonu is probably the best athlete among all the OL. He has inside-out experience, he plays big and mean. Yes, he could end up being the first player taken overall.


Ekwonu clearly has talent, but I just seem to get an Ereck Flowers/Leonard Davis vibe watching him and worry about spending a top 10 pick on an OG. Unless they are Quentin Nelson caliber they are almost never worth the opportunity cost (usually there are good enough OG taken later on and you could have used Top 10 pick on another position).
I love this move...  
Dnew15 : 1/20/2022 9:53 am : link
and I think the Giants almost have to go this route.

The Giants have one - just one - legit OL they can count on heading into the offseason. That's insane.
Hi Sy,  
River Mike : 1/20/2022 9:55 am : link
Am I missing something, misunderstanding, or is this a typo

"A lot needs to be done with this Cowboys offense that averaged 39 points per game over a four-game stretch ..."?
RE: RE: RE: Thank you Sy a few questions for you  
Sy'56 : 1/20/2022 10:03 am : link
In comment 15561922 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 15561897 Sy'56 said:


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In comment 15561510 Eric on Li said:


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Brugler had Ekwonu 1OA in his mock today, do you see that kind of talent / film where he could rise that far?

Linderbaum seems to be hyped up as the best interior OL since Nelson, do you see him anywhere near that level?

I'd guess you're a Muma fan, any thoughts on him or Tindall if they are there in rd 2? Both would seem good fits next to Martinez.



Ekwonu is probably the best athlete among all the OL. He has inside-out experience, he plays big and mean. Yes, he could end up being the first player taken overall.



Ekwonu clearly has talent, but I just seem to get an Ereck Flowers/Leonard Davis vibe watching him and worry about spending a top 10 pick on an OG. Unless they are Quentin Nelson caliber they are almost never worth the opportunity cost (usually there are good enough OG taken later on and you could have used Top 10 pick on another position).


There are issues with Ekwonu that even has biggest supports cannot deny. I think it is possible he won't even be a week 1 starter...may need at least a half-year.

Some make the mistake of watching highlight reels when looking at OL. Can't do that, you must watch every play of at least 4-5 games. If you do that with Ekwonu, you will see some of what we saw with Mekhi Becton. Elite dominance on some plays, very poor control and sustainability on others. Except Ekwonu doesn't have the wingspan and weight Becton did to fall back on.
Sy  
Mike in NY : 1/20/2022 10:04 am : link
Speaking of OL, what are your thoughts on the mammmoth from University of Minnesota?
RE: Hi Sy,  
Sy'56 : 1/20/2022 10:04 am : link
In comment 15561939 River Mike said:
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Am I missing something, misunderstanding, or is this a typo

"A lot needs to be done with this Cowboys offense that averaged 39 points per game over a four-game stretch ..."?


There was a 4 game stretch where they dominated. Averaging 39 points per. And then another 4-game stretch where it was a 37.5 point average.

No other offense in the NFL did that.
RE: Sy  
Sy'56 : 1/20/2022 10:05 am : link
In comment 15561964 Mike in NY said:
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Speaking of OL, what are your thoughts on the mammmoth from University of Minnesota?


Not a fan like some are. It is such a hit or miss with guys like that. I feel they break down sooner and I just don't get behind guys that move their feet the way he does. Not enough ankle flexion.
Interesting Rd 1 Mock  
Jimmy Googs : 1/20/2022 10:12 am : link
although I would flip LB Nakobe Dean and QB Malik Willis.

Go Dawgs...
Sy I love doubling down on OL and getting it fixed for once  
Chris684 : 1/20/2022 10:12 am : link
I have been thinking one of Cross/Ekwonu plus Linderbaum.

Regarding Linderbaum, is it the player or the position you'd stay away from at 7?
Sy, awesome job on the entire first round  
Tuckrule : 1/20/2022 10:21 am : link
Can you please be the giants GM! That is my dream draft. Just to make me fall totally in love who would you project to be our second round pick? (I know I’m being greedy. Sorry in advance)
Solid mock  
Sammo85 : 1/20/2022 10:24 am : link
I don't see Giants going OL with both firsts though.

I think go with a defender with one of them and circle back to interior OL in the 2nd or 3rd round.
Sy' would love that  
section125 : 1/20/2022 10:29 am : link
scenario and if Willis is there at 36, I'd do that to.

Other guy I like is Jermaine Johnson at DE/ER
Sy, question  
Tuckrule : 1/20/2022 10:37 am : link
How far apart do you see Neal and Cross and is Neal a lock to play tackle or do you think he’s better off inside?
If we double dip on the OL  
90.Cal : 1/20/2022 11:06 am : link
And Ojabo falls that far... I say move up for him.

Sy'56... would you be against taking Malik Willis at 5 or 7 and making him a NYG? If that's the direction the new GM wants to go what do we do with Daniel Jones? Keep him for 1 more year? What would a realistic trade market be for a talented but injury prone and turnover QB like Daniel?
RE: RE: RE: Hard to discuss trades at this point  
Blue21 : 1/20/2022 11:13 am : link
In comment 15561103 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 15561036 Sy'56 said:


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NYG has a lot of picks in a draft that is incredibly deep because of what Covid did to eligibility.

This is a very good opportunity top build that base that will help this team win in 2023...possibly with a rookie QB at the wheel



Thoughts on day 2 QBs?



I am all about it if you think the value is right. I can say right now Malik Willis in round 2 is an option and even more than that, an ideal look here for NYG. Let him sit, let Jones play out 2022 if the neck clears.

If he plays poorly. goodbye. If he plays well, you have a nice problem on your hands. That and...Willis can still contribute as a package player in 2022. The guy is built like a thick running back


I'd be all in on this.
RE: I love this move...  
Sammo85 : 1/20/2022 11:33 am : link
In comment 15561927 Dnew15 said:
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and I think the Giants almost have to go this route.

The Giants have one - just one - legit OL they can count on heading into the offseason. That's insane.


It's risky - rookies struggle on transitioning to the NFL. Don't set expectations too high - even if there are two rookies no matter where drafted, the line is going to have some real bad games during the year. And depth will still be an issue.

Likely, the Giants have no choice but to probably add a C/G in free agency and buy more cap space from 2023 with restructures and at least a swing tackle.
RE: And Eric on Li  
Eric on Li : 1/20/2022 11:37 am : link
In comment 15561909 Sy'56 said:
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I don't think Linderbaum is in the same stratosphere as Nelson. 1st rounder, yes. But closer to Garrett Bradbury than Nelson for sure.

I like Muma (want to see him at Sr Bowl) and Tindall is a freak athlete. Hasn't picked it up mentally yet.


thank you Sy, much appreciated. would be nice to have a freak athlete off the ball for the first time this millennium.
Mike I see some of this but Ekwonu shows rare play strength  
Eric on Li : 1/20/2022 11:43 am : link
In comment 15561922 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 15561897 Sy'56 said:


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In comment 15561510 Eric on Li said:


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Brugler had Ekwonu 1OA in his mock today, do you see that kind of talent / film where he could rise that far?

Linderbaum seems to be hyped up as the best interior OL since Nelson, do you see him anywhere near that level?

I'd guess you're a Muma fan, any thoughts on him or Tindall if they are there in rd 2? Both would seem good fits next to Martinez.



Ekwonu is probably the best athlete among all the OL. He has inside-out experience, he plays big and mean. Yes, he could end up being the first player taken overall.



Ekwonu clearly has talent, but I just seem to get an Ereck Flowers/Leonard Davis vibe watching him and worry about spending a top 10 pick on an OG. Unless they are Quentin Nelson caliber they are almost never worth the opportunity cost (usually there are good enough OG taken later on and you could have used Top 10 pick on another position).


and he has a more natural play style than Flowers. If Ekwonu does get himself in the 1OA conversation he will have been evaluated to be a much different class of prospect than Flowers, so what Flowers is at guard would seemingly be a disappointing worst case scenario.

Leonard Davis is a pretty good comp and remember when he went to LG he was pretty dominant. Shawn Andrews was another similar high end pick with position flex and rare power. Maybe neither was plug and play like Nelson but those wouldn't be the worst outcomes at all (especially since the team needs a dominant guard in the worst way). Ekwonu and Neal both have the upside and position flex to fit very well with what the OL room needs.
RE: RE: Hi Sy,  
River Mike : 1/20/2022 11:55 am : link
In comment 15561965 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 15561939 River Mike said:


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Am I missing something, misunderstanding, or is this a typo

"A lot needs to be done with this Cowboys offense that averaged 39 points per game over a four-game stretch ..."?



There was a 4 game stretch where they dominated. Averaging 39 points per. And then another 4-game stretch where it was a 37.5 point average.

No other offense in the NFL did that.


That's what I mean. If their offense was that good, why would they need for a lot to be done in the draft for it?
Sy  
Blue92 : 1/20/2022 12:03 pm : link
Are you really convinced that Ekwonu is a better player than Kyle Hamilton?

Thanks for all that you do in this regard. It's some of the best reading on this site and other football sites.
RE: Sy  
Sy'56 : 1/20/2022 12:43 pm : link
In comment 15562303 Blue92 said:
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Are you really convinced that Ekwonu is a better player than Kyle Hamilton?

Thanks for all that you do in this regard. It's some of the best reading on this site and other football sites.


No sir, still have a ways to go to finalize grades
Thanks so much Sy  
Mattman : 1/20/2022 12:58 pm : link
I know you hate doing these but the amount of information you give here is appreciated. We get tidbits on each player and some of your initial thoughts on ranking/slotting for the players.

The methodology of picking Cross and Ekwonu with the two first picks gives them a lot of flexibility. Cross could play LT if something happens to Thomas and Ekwonu can shift to RT if needed. Need and value mesh up well here.

No expensive toys work without an OL. Without a functioning OL money spent on them is wasted. Shoring up the line will help any QB/RB here and help any rookie qb we bring in after Jones. We can also bring on lower round rb by committee to run into the ground to supplement Barkley or when we let him walk.
Love this idea  
skifaster : 1/20/2022 1:01 pm : link
Giants offense needs to be able to control the line of scrimmage. This draft would go a long way towards making that more likely to occur. If Carolina drafts Ekwonu at 6 I would be happy with Hamilton at 7 if the top 5 play out as mocked.
RE: Thanks so much Sy  
Sy'56 : 1/20/2022 1:06 pm : link
In comment 15562423 Mattman said:
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I know you hate doing these but the amount of information you give here is appreciated. We get tidbits on each player and some of your initial thoughts on ranking/slotting for the players.

The methodology of picking Cross and Ekwonu with the two first picks gives them a lot of flexibility. Cross could play LT if something happens to Thomas and Ekwonu can shift to RT if needed. Need and value mesh up well here.

No expensive toys work without an OL. Without a functioning OL money spent on them is wasted. Shoring up the line will help any QB/RB here and help any rookie qb we bring in after Jones. We can also bring on lower round rb by committee to run into the ground to supplement Barkley or when we let him walk.


You bring up a good point, one I have been pondering with this OL class.

You need guys that can play multiple spots. Have to have it. I like taking OTs and putting them at OG where needed.
RE: Sy, question  
Sy'56 : 1/20/2022 1:07 pm : link
In comment 15562066 Tuckrule said:
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How far apart do you see Neal and Cross and is Neal a lock to play tackle or do you think he’s better off inside?


Cross and Neal will not be far apart at all. Could end up with the same grade actually.

Neal should start at RT unless a team has two good OTs right away. If it doesn't work, I feel confident he is at least a solid OG.
RE: RE: Sy, question  
Sammo85 : 1/20/2022 1:53 pm : link
In comment 15562442 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 15562066 Tuckrule said:


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How far apart do you see Neal and Cross and is Neal a lock to play tackle or do you think he’s better off inside?



Cross and Neal will not be far apart at all. Could end up with the same grade actually.

Neal should start at RT unless a team has two good OTs right away. If it doesn't work, I feel confident he is at least a solid OG.


Interesting. I really like Cross too. My only fear is I could see Jets striking on him possibly.
no complaints  
xtian : 1/20/2022 2:09 pm : link
about selecting 2 OL with #5 and #7.
Thanks SY  
Tuckrule : 1/20/2022 3:07 pm : link
Cross is my favorite lineman in this draft. I felt as confident in slater as I do cross. Slater was my number 1 lineman last season. If we pass on cross I may actually cry
Nice ...  
Beer Man : 1/20/2022 3:27 pm : link
I would be elated to see that infusion on the OL. Now if only the new GM see's it that way too.
Two OL  
Photoguy : 1/20/2022 5:23 pm : link
in the first round is fine with me.
I'm in love  
DavidinBMNY : 1/20/2022 8:14 pm : link
With Sy and his draft. It's brilliant!
RE: RE: Hi Sy,  
Gruber : 1/20/2022 8:30 pm : link
In comment 15561965 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 15561939 River Mike said:


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Am I missing something, misunderstanding, or is this a typo

"A lot needs to be done with this Cowboys offense that averaged 39 points per game over a four-game stretch ..."?



There was a 4 game stretch where they dominated. Averaging 39 points per. And then another 4-game stretch where it was a 37.5 point average.

No other offense in the NFL did that.


Week 7 they had a bye.
Weeks 8 thru 15(versus the Giants), Cowboys scored:
20
16
43
9
33
27
27
21


New regime in town.  
Gruber : 1/20/2022 8:37 pm : link
I will stick my neck out and say that with two top ten picks, they use one of them on a quarterback, who ideally sits for at least the first half of the season.
I want to say Malik Willis, but I heard something that he's a bit of a bonehead. They may run the rule over him and decide they can't coach the required improvements out of him. He is not NFL ready.
RE: RE: RE: Hi Sy,  
Sy'56 : 1/20/2022 8:59 pm : link
In comment 15563286 Gruber said:
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In comment 15561965 Sy'56 said:


Quote:


In comment 15561939 River Mike said:


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Am I missing something, misunderstanding, or is this a typo

"A lot needs to be done with this Cowboys offense that averaged 39 points per game over a four-game stretch ..."?



There was a 4 game stretch where they dominated. Averaging 39 points per. And then another 4-game stretch where it was a 37.5 point average.

No other offense in the NFL did that.



Week 7 they had a bye.
Weeks 8 thru 15(versus the Giants), Cowboys scored:
20
16
43
9
33
27
27
21




I see where you missed the point:

4 game stretch (Week 3-4-5-6) = Averagerd 39 ppg

And then a separate

4 game stretch (15-16-17-18) - Averaged 37.5 ppg
Sy...  
bw in dc : 1/20/2022 9:06 pm : link
How much upside do you see with Penning?

Where do you have Petit-Frere?
RE: Sy...  
Sy'56 : 1/20/2022 9:13 pm : link
In comment 15563379 bw in dc said:
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How much upside do you see with Penning?

Where do you have Petit-Frere?


Haven't done enough on Penning to offer a credible opinion. Only have 1 quality tape so far. I need 3-4 more plus Sr Bowl
Petit-Frere  
Sy'56 : 1/20/2022 9:13 pm : link
Day 2...closer to round 3
RE: RE: Sy...  
bw in dc : 1/20/2022 9:16 pm : link
In comment 15563397 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 15563379 bw in dc said:


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How much upside do you see with Penning?

Where do you have Petit-Frere?



Haven't done enough on Penning to offer a credible opinion. Only have 1 quality tape so far. I need 3-4 more plus Sr Bowl


That one tape must have been pretty outstanding for you to place him in round one. ;)

What's the knock on Petit-Frere? I've seen a lot of opinions placing him in round one or early round two.
Sy..a little off topic...  
bw in dc : 1/20/2022 9:44 pm : link
but what do you think of these GM candidates?

I'm sure you hear things through the scouting grapevine.
No  
uncledave : 1/20/2022 9:58 pm : link
Jordan Davis?! If he makes it to the second that’s the steal of the draft. Barmore slid to the second so I suppose it’s possible. Davis’ physique is unparalleled though. We’ll see how he tests out
I'd sign up for this draft right now, or trade down with one of the  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/20/2022 10:13 pm : link
picks and take Linderbaum and one of the linebackers.

The defense will be better when they are not on the field all game long because the offense is inept. Draft two stud OL's and see Jones can do anything with better play calling and all the talent on offense or not.
Sy this is an awesome and enlightening thread  
Snablats : 1/20/2022 10:19 pm : link
Thank you!
This is a draft for needs type Mock  
JPinstripes : 1/20/2022 10:19 pm : link
Hamilton should be the pick if available at 5, he is that good.

BPA at 7 or trade down. Don't force an OL pick ie Flowers.
That was great  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 1/20/2022 11:18 pm : link
Thanks, Sy. You’re the man!
One of my favorite players in this draft is Travon Walker from Georgia  
BigBlue7 : 1/21/2022 10:57 am : link
just seems like a glue-piece to defensive front for the next 12 years.

Reminds me so much of Justin Tuck.

Will be interesting to see what the new coaching staff wants to do on defense.
Well Sy  
Boatie Warrant : 1/21/2022 12:50 pm : link
You may not enjoy doing these but we sure love talking about them!

Great job.
2022 draft  
Colin@gbn : 1/21/2022 1:05 pm : link
Dave et al: I am obviously a little late to the debate, but it certainly is interesting. And I have no idea who the Giants will take with their two top picks this year, but I would be shocked if our new guys took two offensive linemen. I certainly wouldn't rule it out but if we get the guy from Buffalo they win with the NFL's top-rated defense and an emerging young QB who only really blossomed when they went out and got him a true #1 receiver (Diggs). It probably should also be noted that that the Bills OL has no #1 picks and is made up almost largely of second days picks.

And I personally can't see any team in the league passing on Kyle Hamilton (twice no less), one of the three-four elite players in this draft, to fill some holes on a unit that doesn't win games.

And I guess that's where I tend to differ, at least philosophically, with the majority opinion in these parts. On the one hand, my sense is not that the Giants have too many holes to fill (although they certainly have their share), the primary issue is they just don't have many (if any) true impact players that impact games. And teams like KC, Green Bay and Tampa aren't winning all those games because they have the fewest holes in their rosters, they have the league's top impact players.

That said, it wouldn't surprise me if the Giants did take an OT with one of their first rounders, but as I have stated on other threads not because they need an upgrade from Solder and Peart, but because if you want to run 4- and 5-receiver sets you need OTs that can hold the edge and that kind of player can be hard to find outside the first round.

The other area where I differ a little is that in my view that while the OL wasn't very good, THE #1 issue that the Giants offense had this year was the lack of anything that evenly remotely resembled a legit deep threat. As a result opponents routinely brought 8-9 and even ten guys up into the box making it very difficult to run and even find space to make easy underneath completions because it was just so congested around the LOS.

To me the modern model I'm looking at is Cincinnati, which passed on the top OT at last year's draft and took the WR and went from last to first in a tough division with an OL that was even worse than the group the Giants had.

But time will tell!

@Colin  
JonC : 1/21/2022 1:10 pm : link
If you've read me the past few weeks, I've mentioned WR early a number of times. The problem now is those ACL injuries at the top of the draft, where and who to pluck now. I don't see them passing on Hamilton twice either, he's not only impact but multiple impact and a better version of Simmons whom so many here loved. The big question is how they view Corral et al.

Now, we'll find out who Schoen wants as his QB and if a premium draft pick is spent on one. I could see them going QB and OT if they love two players, but I'd go defense perhaps even twice.
Colin and Jon - Thanks  
Sy'56 : 1/21/2022 1:30 pm : link
Always respect your views.

Jameson Willams was a 1st round thought for me when looking at NYG. But the ACL was a hard sell...even though the common thought is the idea the ACL is not the injury it used to be...I don't always agree. I think it bumps Williams out of my top 10 enough.

I do think WR is on the table, but I don't see a true top 10 player at that spot. Tough to take any of those guys over the OL.

I respectfully disagree that the OL was not the #1 issue. Part of the reason why defenses loaded the box was the fact that these guys, 4 out of 5, couldn't sustain anything for more than 2-2.5 seconds on average. The crowded box made it tough to find throwing lanes underneath AND made it almost impossible to run the ball. Their "worst case" wasn't a big deal...because this OL could not sustain anything.

Re: Hamilton...I can see everyone's love for him. I will have a high grade on him but he is not Derwin James. He is not Justin Simmons. He is not Jordan Poyer. He is not Kevin Byard.

I love the versatility, but it hasn't worked for Isaiah Simmons yet and the worries I have here with Hamilton are near-identical. Jack of all trades, master of none with some movement issues stemming from high hips. To say NYG passing on him twice is a crime is something I can't get behind. We aren't talking Sean Taylor here.
thanks JonC, Colin and Sy56. Your compelling and well thought  
Victor in CT : 1/21/2022 1:35 pm : link
out opinions are so interesting to read.

but now I'm more confused than ever LOL.

Have a great weekend.
I'd  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/21/2022 1:36 pm : link
love to sit at a table and listen to Sy'56 and Colin discuss the draft over beer.
Sy  
JonC : 1/21/2022 1:38 pm : link
Thanks, I'll spend more time on the OL prospects as it seems like the mockers are also starting to slip the defensive prospects in lieu of OL. Agree WR is now unlikely to be a top 10 option with the ACL injuries out there, and London is a bit lower for me.

To be a fly on the wall now with Schoen at the helm, especially if they decide Corral or another is worth picking.
Draft beer  
Colin@gbn : 1/21/2022 1:38 pm : link
I'm in Eric if you're paying!!!
RE: I'd  
Victor in CT : 1/21/2022 1:38 pm : link
In comment 15564870 Eric from BBI said:
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love to sit at a table and listen to Sy'56 and Colin discuss the draft over beer.


Sounds good. Make mine Scotch.
RE: Sy  
Go Terps : 1/21/2022 1:41 pm : link
In comment 15564877 JonC said:
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Thanks, I'll spend more time on the OL prospects as it seems like the mockers are also starting to slip the defensive prospects in lieu of OL. Agree WR is now unlikely to be a top 10 option with the ACL injuries out there, and London is a bit lower for me.

To be a fly on the wall now with Schoen at the helm, especially if they decide Corral or another is worth picking.


I was listening to Dane Brugler of the Athletic taking about Corral. The quote that stuck out was "everything he does is fast". That would be the exact opposite of what we have at QB now, and an interesting asset in Daboll's offense (if that's where we go at head coach).
RE: RE: Sy  
JonC : 1/21/2022 1:49 pm : link
In comment 15564890 Go Terps said:
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Thanks, I'll spend more time on the OL prospects as it seems like the mockers are also starting to slip the defensive prospects in lieu of OL. Agree WR is now unlikely to be a top 10 option with the ACL injuries out there, and London is a bit lower for me.

To be a fly on the wall now with Schoen at the helm, especially if they decide Corral or another is worth picking.



I was listening to Dane Brugler of the Athletic taking about Corral. The quote that stuck out was "everything he does is fast". That would be the exact opposite of what we have at QB now, and an interesting asset in Daboll's offense (if that's where we go at head coach).


I just have this feeling Corral's going to be fragile in the NFL. The tools are there.
RE: I'd  
Boatie Warrant : 1/21/2022 2:27 pm : link
In comment 15564870 Eric from BBI said:
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love to sit at a table and listen to Sy'56 and Colin discuss the draft over beer.


When we doing this? I'll clear my calendar!
Yeah also can’t ruling out the Giants trading down with one of their  
BigBlue7 : 1/21/2022 3:44 pm : link
First round picks. This team is bereft of talent and Schoen might want a little more quantity of one solid blue chip talent
Let me add  
River Mike : 1/21/2022 4:21 pm : link
my very late thanks for this and all your other work. As soon as I see a thread of yours, I know it's a must open!!!!
Giants drafted Toney and signed Golladay last year  
Vanzetti : 1/21/2022 5:03 pm : link
Of course, its a new regime but I do not see them going WR again in the first round.
RE: Giants drafted Toney and signed Golladay last year  
BigBlueShock : 1/21/2022 5:27 pm : link
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Of course, its a new regime but I do not see them going WR again in the first round.

Yeah, no need to improve all that production those two had.

There’s not a single player on this team that should have any influence on this draft. Draft the best players and start building something.
Once Bradberry is cut CB becomes a big need  
rasbutant : 1/21/2022 5:46 pm : link
If Stingley is there they should probably take him at 5, even over oline. and then grab oline at 7. Edge or QB in 2nd round. 3rd round ILB or G.
RE: I'd  
Sy'56 : 1/21/2022 8:06 pm : link
In comment 15564870 Eric from BBI said:
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love to sit at a table and listen to Sy'56 and Colin discuss the draft over beer.


I'm in if the stars can align
RE: RE: RE: Sy  
Mike in NY : 1/21/2022 10:08 pm : link
In comment 15564912 JonC said:
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Thanks, I'll spend more time on the OL prospects as it seems like the mockers are also starting to slip the defensive prospects in lieu of OL. Agree WR is now unlikely to be a top 10 option with the ACL injuries out there, and London is a bit lower for me.

To be a fly on the wall now with Schoen at the helm, especially if they decide Corral or another is worth picking.



I was listening to Dane Brugler of the Athletic taking about Corral. The quote that stuck out was "everything he does is fast". That would be the exact opposite of what we have at QB now, and an interesting asset in Daboll's offense (if that's where we go at head coach).



I just have this feeling Corral's going to be fragile in the NFL. The tools are there.


Honestly I’d do my due diligence with Corral. The offense, when I watched it, seemed to be a lot of read option. If his first read wasn’t their he ran. Would like to see if he can go through pro style progressions and if he comprehends that he needs to protect his body in NFL. If he can’t do the former then he might end up like Mariota and if he can’t do the latter can you trust a QB knowing he will likely miss time every year?
RE: I'd  
OBJRoyal : 1/22/2022 7:01 am : link
In comment 15564870 Eric from BBI said:
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love to sit at a table and listen to Sy'56 and Colin discuss the draft over beer.


Id buy the beers
RE: RE: I'd  
section125 : 1/22/2022 9:13 am : link
In comment 15566186 OBJRoyal said:
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love to sit at a table and listen to Sy'56 and Colin discuss the draft over beer.



Id buy the beers


Get a podcast going with Eric, Sy and Colin. Man, would that be fun. But Sy will be going balls to the wall the next few months.

Sy, interesting points on Hamilton. Did not know that flipping hips was that important for a safety.

I think I am getting torn between taking two OL with #5 and #7 and trading one for more picks and possibly a #1 next season. High picks cost a lot of money and an extra year to clear space may not be a bad idea(?).

Wondering what Sy and Colin think of Schoen.
Malik Willis  
TroyArchersGhost : 1/22/2022 9:36 am : link
I know nothing about this player, but if he's good enough for Denver to take at 9, he's good enough for the Giants to take at 7.
No way pickett  
alsoknownaskaz : 1/22/2022 11:00 am : link
is the 4th quarterback taken.
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