On the Giants level of the last 5 years.
Started 1-7 and 0-5 before being fired.
Rosy glasses are you getting the first years in Atlanta or last year's Quinn.
I wouldn't risk it.
Imagine if we had to consider a coach with a career record, at the time, of:
As an architect of the legion of Boom, Came close to a second super bowl as a head coach but ran into the best football player to ever play the game and turned around the Cowboys defense. You have to consider him
they will go ballistic with Quinn calling the shots. He had that SB with the Falcons won. All he had to do is run the ball, or take a knee, and kick a FG. If the Giants had lost that game in that manner, he would have been run out of the city. Folks want him calling the shots come game time?
Quinn could blow farts at the reffs and his in game decisions would look Landry like compared to Judges.
He's been the DC of one of the Giants' division rivals...
of course they should interview him and get his opinion of their team. This is part of taking that long look at the organization through the eyes of those outside of the Timex complex.
On the Giants level of the last 5 years.
Started 1-7 and 0-5 before being fired.
Rosy glasses are you getting the first years in Atlanta or last year's Quinn.
I wouldn't risk it.
Imagine if we had to consider a coach with a career record, at the time, of:
4-12
9-7
11-5
11-5
14-2
7-9
6-10
6-10
What a disaster it would be to hire that guy.
Can anyone name available coaches in the ether that have winning career records? Anyone? Please list them for me.
so you guys are looking for the head coach who wins
...he made constant bonehead decisions at Atlanta. Not just in the Super Bowl.
In 2016 in an overtime game (old overtime rules) he went for it on 4th and 1 from his own 45 yard line. It was the stupidest thing I've ever seen up to that point. Atlanta didn't make it (actually lost yards) and the Chargers need only 15 yards to get into easy FG range.
for what he has accomplished in his NFL career. He orchestrated the greatest defense we've seen in the past 15-20 years in his first season in Seattle. Granted, he had 3 or 4 HOF players, but Quinn got the most out of that unit.
Turned his success into a HC job with Falcons and his first move was to hire Kyle Shanahan as OC (they were a package deal). Building a great staff is a crucial part of an NFL HC's job.
Quinn gets that Falcons team over the hump and they were minutes away from a Super Bowl.
The Falcons FO failed Quinn, failing to acquire impact players on defense and letting the Oline fall apart.
Quinn gets fired, Dallas picks him up as DC. He immediately turns the Dallas Defense around- from one of the leagues worst to a top 10 unit in 2021. Sure, Parsons helped, but one player doesn't make a Defense great
That being said, This offense is so fucking putrid and devoid of talent, I think area of expertise for the new HC has to be offense.
Figure we will have to develop a QB also and it's a no brainer.
There are some good DCs on the market. Fangio, Zim (maybe), and even Graham. There is some talent on the D side as well.
You might be able to add Flores to that list as well. It seems unlikely that he'll strike out on the HC hunt, but it's not inconceivable that he's left standing when the music stops.
Of just bringing in Quinn to be able to pick his brain? I really don’t want him as the HC. He really didn’t have great success with ATL and the OL being this teams biggest need, ATL OL wasn’t great under Quinn. Yes it isn’t all on the HC, but still am nervous about him. Clearly no guarantee Quinn will be the HC. Want offensive minded HC.
Of just bringing in Quinn to be able to pick his brain? I really don’t want him as the HC. He really didn’t have great success with ATL and the OL being this teams biggest need, ATL OL wasn’t great under Quinn. Yes it isn’t all on the HC, but still am nervous about him. Clearly no guarantee Quinn will be the HC. Want offensive minded HC.
That's always a possibility. Similar to signing someone off of your opponent's practice squad when you're about to play that team.
But Quinn is a local guy with a solid track record - if you're looking for a retread, he seems like an attractive option.
I suspect that he's a genuine candidate but that they'll pick his brain regardless so that the interview has value no matter what.
I like Quinn because he has experience in the role
do not get so hung up on the idea of hiring every guy they interview. There are so many reasons why you would interview someone..
1. to get their perspective on how to fix this mess
2. to pick their brain on a myriad of topics
3. to create a perceived competition for negotiation purposes with the coach you would really want
4. to potentially hire the guy if you really like what he has to say
5. to have a backup choice if your top choices do not accept the position
Al Davis used to interview a lot of people just to soak in as much of their knowledge as possible.
Checks a lot of check marks...experienced, winning track record, from the area so should understand the media and fans. Not sure why some here are so against him. This is not the time to experiment and hire an unknown. Get someone in here who has proven he can do the job and do it well. I think hiring an experienced HC is essential considering we're likely hiring an unknown GM. I'll feel a lot more comfortable having someone in that regime who has a proven track record.
About any of these guys leaves me with no opinion as to whom should be hired.
However, Flores and Quinn are names I recognize and of which I have questions
1.. Flores - Is being party of the Belichick tree a plus or minus? Does what
happened in Miami set off alarms for anyone else?
2. Quinn - can’t forget that Super Bowl collapse and if I m not mistaken there
we’re several subsequent collapses in seasons following the Super
Bowl loss; not sure a coach can overcome something like that. Pete
Carrol has never been the same since the interception.
About any of these guys leaves me with no opinion as to whom should be hired.
However, Flores and Quinn are names I recognize and of which I have questions
1.. Flores - Is being party of the Belichick tree a plus or minus? Does what
happened in Miami set off alarms for anyone else?
2. Quinn - can’t forget that Super Bowl collapse and if I m not mistaken there
we’re several subsequent collapses in seasons following the Super
Bowl loss; not sure a coach can overcome something like that. Pete
Carrol has never been the same since the interception.
*. Stupid take on my part? Anyone else leery.
Fair points. Stepping back though, Quinn has been to three Super Bowls as a head coach and twice as a defensive coordinator. He won one on dominant fashion as the coordinator of a defense that neutered a hall of fame QB in Peyton Manning, lost another one because of a boneheaded call that he had nothing to do with and was dominating a third before the greatest player in the history of the game went off. He also took a Dallas defense that was OK and turned them around in one season to be one of the best. Andy Reid had a lot of close calls before he finally reached the summit.
Candidates like Quinn don’t go on trees and you can bet that one of the short listed GMs gave Mara the idea to get ahead of asking for permission to interview. I am all in if the new GM has faith in him. We could roll the dice with a young hot shot coordinator who would be a first time head coach - could turn out great like McVay or a disaster like Judge.
About any of these guys leaves me with no opinion as to whom should be hired.
However, Flores and Quinn are names I recognize and of which I have questions
1.. Flores - Is being party of the Belichick tree a plus or minus? Does what
happened in Miami set off alarms for anyone else?
2. Quinn - can’t forget that Super Bowl collapse and if I m not mistaken there
we’re several subsequent collapses in seasons following the Super
Bowl loss; not sure a coach can overcome something like that. Pete
Carrol has never been the same since the interception.
*. Stupid take on my part? Anyone else leery.
They're not stupid takes. The reality is all these coaches with experience were fired for a reason and you can hold that against them.
Coughlin was fired in jacksonville amid controversey. He won but was also fired for a reason.
They all have something bad you can point to, so using it to disqualify them will only lead you back to hiring a rookie head coach if what you want is a clean resume.
Stepping back though, Quinn has been to three Super Bowls as a head coach...
He had two winning seasons as HC. Not sure where the "three Super Bowls" is coming from...
Also by say he "was dominating a third before the greatest player in the history of the game went off" kind of ignores Quinn's MASSIVE choke job... inarguably the worst in Super Bowl history and probably the worst in playoff history. All the guy had to do was tell Shanahan to call running plays and Atlanta would have won.
And as I mentioned earlier on this thread, as a HC the guy was no stranger to boneheaded game calls that cost his team wins.
Stepping back though, Quinn has been to three Super Bowls as a head coach...
He had two winning seasons as HC. Not sure where the "three Super Bowls" is coming from...
Also by say he "was dominating a third before the greatest player in the history of the game went off" kind of ignores Quinn's MASSIVE choke job... inarguably the worst in Super Bowl history and probably the worst in playoff history. All the guy had to do was tell Shanahan to call running plays and Atlanta would have won.
And as I mentioned earlier on this thread, as a HC the guy was no stranger to boneheaded game calls that cost his team wins.
He’s gone to the super bowl three times - once as head coach, twice as defensive coordinator. He screwed up the second half with the big lead no doubt. But I believe that people can learn from failures. I value his successes and experience. Coughlin had ups and downs in Jacksonville before taking over the Giants. Reid was a notoriously poor game manager before it clicked in KC.
About any of these guys leaves me with no opinion as to whom should be hired.
However, Flores and Quinn are names I recognize and of which I have questions
1.. Flores - Is being party of the Belichick tree a plus or minus? Does what
happened in Miami set off alarms for anyone else?
2. Quinn - can’t forget that Super Bowl collapse and if I m not mistaken there
we’re several subsequent collapses in seasons following the Super
Bowl loss; not sure a coach can overcome something like that. Pete
Carrol has never been the same since the interception.
*. Stupid take on my part? Anyone else leery.
Hopefully you were not a huge Fassell defender. Under him we lost a lopsided Super Bowl and had one of the epic collapses in the playoffs against SF
About any of these guys leaves me with no opinion as to whom should be hired.
However, Flores and Quinn are names I recognize and of which I have questions
1.. Flores - Is being party of the Belichick tree a plus or minus? Does what
happened in Miami set off alarms for anyone else?
2. Quinn - can’t forget that Super Bowl collapse and if I m not mistaken there
we’re several subsequent collapses in seasons following the Super
Bowl loss; not sure a coach can overcome something like that. Pete
Carrol has never been the same since the interception.
*. Stupid take on my part? Anyone else leery.
Hopefully you were not a huge Fassell defender. Under him we lost a lopsided Super Bowl and had one of the epic collapses in the playoffs against SF
If the choice were to be between Dan Quinn and Doug Pedersen,
Stepping back though, Quinn has been to three Super Bowls as a head coach...
He had two winning seasons as HC. Not sure where the "three Super Bowls" is coming from...
Also by say he "was dominating a third before the greatest player in the history of the game went off" kind of ignores Quinn's MASSIVE choke job... inarguably the worst in Super Bowl history and probably the worst in playoff history. All the guy had to do was tell Shanahan to call running plays and Atlanta would have won.
And as I mentioned earlier on this thread, as a HC the guy was no stranger to boneheaded game calls that cost his team wins.
He’s gone to the super bowl three times - once as head coach, twice as defensive coordinator. He screwed up the second half with the big lead no doubt. But I believe that people can learn from failures. I value his successes and experience. Coughlin had ups and downs in Jacksonville before taking over the Giants. Reid was a notoriously poor game manager before it clicked in KC.
Fair enough, and sorry for coming across as argumentative. I am just not a big "Quinn as head coach" fan.
About any of these guys leaves me with no opinion as to whom should be hired.
However, Flores and Quinn are names I recognize and of which I have questions
1.. Flores - Is being party of the Belichick tree a plus or minus? Does what
happened in Miami set off alarms for anyone else?
2. Quinn - can’t forget that Super Bowl collapse and if I m not mistaken there
we’re several subsequent collapses in seasons following the Super
Bowl loss; not sure a coach can overcome something like that. Pete
Carrol has never been the same since the interception.
*. Stupid take on my part? Anyone else leery.
Hopefully you were not a huge Fassell defender. Under him we lost a lopsided Super Bowl and had one of the epic collapses in the playoffs against SF
and another epic playoff collapse vs. the Vikings in 1997.
Quinn has success as a head coach. 43-42 as a head coach in the regular season, 3-2 in the playoffs. Shurmur is 19-46 with no playoff appearances. He’s also a high energy guy whereas Shurmur is as exciting as Ben Stein’s economic teacher in Ferris Bueller’s Day Off.
Picking head coaches again. If you want to be Jerry Jones just do it already… stop it with the puppet GM routine.
Sleepy Owl
My thoughts exactly! Why wouldn’t the GM be contacting perspective HC -not the front office!
Same old-same old stuff. Meddling in decisions of the GM.
How would they present it to the new GM… you got the job and here are the candidates you choose from!
About any of these guys leaves me with no opinion as to whom should be hired.
However, Flores and Quinn are names I recognize and of which I have questions
1.. Flores - Is being party of the Belichick tree a plus or minus? Does what
happened in Miami set off alarms for anyone else?
2. Quinn - can’t forget that Super Bowl collapse and if I m not mistaken there
we’re several subsequent collapses in seasons following the Super
Bowl loss; not sure a coach can overcome something like that. Pete
Carrol has never been the same since the interception.
*. Stupid take on my part? Anyone else leery.
Hopefully you were not a huge Fassell defender. Under him we lost a lopsided Super Bowl and had one of the epic collapses in the playoffs against SF
I was not, that s. Fact, for the reasons you stated, plus an unbelievable loss to Parcells Cowboys on Monday Night
Fuck him if he starts giving us tie games.
That being said… hell no to Dan Quinn
Curious why you feel that Quinn should be a hell no?
Related, this feels like a nugget that might suggest that Peters is in better position than I assumed.
Started 1-7 and 0-5 before being fired.
Rosy glasses are you getting the first years in Atlanta or last year's Quinn.
I wouldn't risk it.
Imagine if we had to consider a coach with a career record, at the time, of:
4-12
9-7
11-5
11-5
14-2
7-9
6-10
6-10
What a disaster it would be to hire that guy.
I call it either way. People too hung up on it. Taylor is a brand of pork roll.
Spags proved that.
Quinn could blow farts at the reffs and his in game decisions would look Landry like compared to Judges.
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On the Giants level of the last 5 years.
Started 1-7 and 0-5 before being fired.
Rosy glasses are you getting the first years in Atlanta or last year's Quinn.
I wouldn't risk it.
Imagine if we had to consider a coach with a career record, at the time, of:
4-12
9-7
11-5
11-5
14-2
7-9
6-10
6-10
What a disaster it would be to hire that guy.
Can anyone name available coaches in the ether that have winning career records? Anyone? Please list them for me.
In 2016 in an overtime game (old overtime rules) he went for it on 4th and 1 from his own 45 yard line. It was the stupidest thing I've ever seen up to that point. Atlanta didn't make it (actually lost yards) and the Chargers need only 15 yards to get into easy FG range.
That and the Super Bowl and only two winning seasons with that lineup and hard pass.
Falcons’ Dan Quinn makes terrible call in overtime against Chargers - ( New Window )
Turned his success into a HC job with Falcons and his first move was to hire Kyle Shanahan as OC (they were a package deal). Building a great staff is a crucial part of an NFL HC's job.
Quinn gets that Falcons team over the hump and they were minutes away from a Super Bowl.
The Falcons FO failed Quinn, failing to acquire impact players on defense and letting the Oline fall apart.
Quinn gets fired, Dallas picks him up as DC. He immediately turns the Dallas Defense around- from one of the leagues worst to a top 10 unit in 2021. Sure, Parsons helped, but one player doesn't make a Defense great
Denver was pegged early on as Quinn's landing spot. Let him go there
That being said, This offense is so fucking putrid and devoid of talent, I think area of expertise for the new HC has to be offense.
Figure we will have to develop a QB also and it's a no brainer.
There are some good DCs on the market. Fangio, Zim (maybe), and even Graham. There is some talent on the D side as well.
Doesn't he coach Specials?
Not sure it was Quinn who was overrated, but maybe Ryan was.
That being said, This offense is so fucking putrid and devoid of talent, I think area of expertise for the new HC has to be offense.
Figure we will have to develop a QB also and it's a no brainer.
There are some good DCs on the market. Fangio, Zim (maybe), and even Graham. There is some talent on the D side as well.
You might be able to add Flores to that list as well. It seems unlikely that he'll strike out on the HC hunt, but it's not inconceivable that he's left standing when the music stops.
That's always a possibility. Similar to signing someone off of your opponent's practice squad when you're about to play that team.
But Quinn is a local guy with a solid track record - if you're looking for a retread, he seems like an attractive option.
I suspect that he's a genuine candidate but that they'll pick his brain regardless so that the interview has value no matter what.
I'm sure he has reflected on his tenure in ATL and what he would do differently.
He's my top candidate.
1. to get their perspective on how to fix this mess
2. to pick their brain on a myriad of topics
3. to create a perceived competition for negotiation purposes with the coach you would really want
4. to potentially hire the guy if you really like what he has to say
5. to have a backup choice if your top choices do not accept the position
Al Davis used to interview a lot of people just to soak in as much of their knowledge as possible.
This is a very interesting post.
However, Flores and Quinn are names I recognize and of which I have questions
1.. Flores - Is being party of the Belichick tree a plus or minus? Does what
happened in Miami set off alarms for anyone else?
2. Quinn - can’t forget that Super Bowl collapse and if I m not mistaken there
we’re several subsequent collapses in seasons following the Super
Bowl loss; not sure a coach can overcome something like that. Pete
Carrol has never been the same since the interception.
*. Stupid take on my part? Anyone else leery.
Hopefully the speak to a ton of D coordinators to get the scouting reports and opinions on every Player on Offense.
And the same for Defense too.
However, Flores and Quinn are names I recognize and of which I have questions
1.. Flores - Is being party of the Belichick tree a plus or minus? Does what
happened in Miami set off alarms for anyone else?
2. Quinn - can’t forget that Super Bowl collapse and if I m not mistaken there
we’re several subsequent collapses in seasons following the Super
Bowl loss; not sure a coach can overcome something like that. Pete
Carrol has never been the same since the interception.
*. Stupid take on my part? Anyone else leery.
Candidates like Quinn don’t go on trees and you can bet that one of the short listed GMs gave Mara the idea to get ahead of asking for permission to interview. I am all in if the new GM has faith in him. We could roll the dice with a young hot shot coordinator who would be a first time head coach - could turn out great like McVay or a disaster like Judge.
Quinn's a very good DC, super energetic coach, and his players reportedly play hard for him. But, not sure about his HC ceiling.
However, Flores and Quinn are names I recognize and of which I have questions
1.. Flores - Is being party of the Belichick tree a plus or minus? Does what
happened in Miami set off alarms for anyone else?
2. Quinn - can’t forget that Super Bowl collapse and if I m not mistaken there
we’re several subsequent collapses in seasons following the Super
Bowl loss; not sure a coach can overcome something like that. Pete
Carrol has never been the same since the interception.
*. Stupid take on my part? Anyone else leery.
They're not stupid takes. The reality is all these coaches with experience were fired for a reason and you can hold that against them.
Coughlin was fired in jacksonville amid controversey. He won but was also fired for a reason.
They all have something bad you can point to, so using it to disqualify them will only lead you back to hiring a rookie head coach if what you want is a clean resume.
He had two winning seasons as HC. Not sure where the "three Super Bowls" is coming from...
Also by say he "was dominating a third before the greatest player in the history of the game went off" kind of ignores Quinn's MASSIVE choke job... inarguably the worst in Super Bowl history and probably the worst in playoff history. All the guy had to do was tell Shanahan to call running plays and Atlanta would have won.
And as I mentioned earlier on this thread, as a HC the guy was no stranger to boneheaded game calls that cost his team wins.
Already too many Irishmen connected with the giants
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Stepping back though, Quinn has been to three Super Bowls as a head coach...
He had two winning seasons as HC. Not sure where the "three Super Bowls" is coming from...
Also by say he "was dominating a third before the greatest player in the history of the game went off" kind of ignores Quinn's MASSIVE choke job... inarguably the worst in Super Bowl history and probably the worst in playoff history. All the guy had to do was tell Shanahan to call running plays and Atlanta would have won.
And as I mentioned earlier on this thread, as a HC the guy was no stranger to boneheaded game calls that cost his team wins.
However, Flores and Quinn are names I recognize and of which I have questions
1.. Flores - Is being party of the Belichick tree a plus or minus? Does what
happened in Miami set off alarms for anyone else?
2. Quinn - can’t forget that Super Bowl collapse and if I m not mistaken there
we’re several subsequent collapses in seasons following the Super
Bowl loss; not sure a coach can overcome something like that. Pete
Carrol has never been the same since the interception.
*. Stupid take on my part? Anyone else leery.
Hopefully you were not a huge Fassell defender. Under him we lost a lopsided Super Bowl and had one of the epic collapses in the playoffs against SF
However, Flores and Quinn are names I recognize and of which I have questions
1.. Flores - Is being party of the Belichick tree a plus or minus? Does what
happened in Miami set off alarms for anyone else?
2. Quinn - can’t forget that Super Bowl collapse and if I m not mistaken there
we’re several subsequent collapses in seasons following the Super
Bowl loss; not sure a coach can overcome something like that. Pete
Carrol has never been the same since the interception.
*. Stupid take on my part? Anyone else leery.
Hopefully you were not a huge Fassell defender. Under him we lost a lopsided Super Bowl and had one of the epic collapses in the playoffs against SF
Quinn's a very good DC, super energetic coach, and his players reportedly play hard for him. But, not sure about his HC ceiling.
And he is back to $8 mill per according to a solid UM source.
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Stepping back though, Quinn has been to three Super Bowls as a head coach...
He had two winning seasons as HC. Not sure where the "three Super Bowls" is coming from...
Also by say he "was dominating a third before the greatest player in the history of the game went off" kind of ignores Quinn's MASSIVE choke job... inarguably the worst in Super Bowl history and probably the worst in playoff history. All the guy had to do was tell Shanahan to call running plays and Atlanta would have won.
And as I mentioned earlier on this thread, as a HC the guy was no stranger to boneheaded game calls that cost his team wins.
He’s gone to the super bowl three times - once as head coach, twice as defensive coordinator. He screwed up the second half with the big lead no doubt. But I believe that people can learn from failures. I value his successes and experience. Coughlin had ups and downs in Jacksonville before taking over the Giants. Reid was a notoriously poor game manager before it clicked in KC.
Fair enough, and sorry for coming across as argumentative. I am just not a big "Quinn as head coach" fan.
Not like anything I think matters though.
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About any of these guys leaves me with no opinion as to whom should be hired.
However, Flores and Quinn are names I recognize and of which I have questions
1.. Flores - Is being party of the Belichick tree a plus or minus? Does what
happened in Miami set off alarms for anyone else?
2. Quinn - can’t forget that Super Bowl collapse and if I m not mistaken there
we’re several subsequent collapses in seasons following the Super
Bowl loss; not sure a coach can overcome something like that. Pete
Carrol has never been the same since the interception.
*. Stupid take on my part? Anyone else leery.
Hopefully you were not a huge Fassell defender. Under him we lost a lopsided Super Bowl and had one of the epic collapses in the playoffs against SF
and another epic playoff collapse vs. the Vikings in 1997.
however - if our new GM is the real deal we really need to respect what his decisions are
Sleepy Owl
My thoughts exactly! Why wouldn’t the GM be contacting perspective HC -not the front office!
Same old-same old stuff. Meddling in decisions of the GM.
How would they present it to the new GM… you got the job and here are the candidates you choose from!
Quote:
About any of these guys leaves me with no opinion as to whom should be hired.
However, Flores and Quinn are names I recognize and of which I have questions
1.. Flores - Is being party of the Belichick tree a plus or minus? Does what
happened in Miami set off alarms for anyone else?
2. Quinn - can’t forget that Super Bowl collapse and if I m not mistaken there
we’re several subsequent collapses in seasons following the Super
Bowl loss; not sure a coach can overcome something like that. Pete
Carrol has never been the same since the interception.
*. Stupid take on my part? Anyone else leery.
Hopefully you were not a huge Fassell defender. Under him we lost a lopsided Super Bowl and had one of the epic collapses in the playoffs against SF
I was not, that s. Fact, for the reasons you stated, plus an unbelievable loss to Parcells Cowboys on Monday Night