They've seen a lot of us up close and could speak to the issues they've picked on while beating us. Both could give an outside opinion on Daniel Jones too having seen him up close.
Quinn isn't my first choice for the job, but smart to pick his brain.
They've seen a lot of us up close and could speak to the issues they've picked on while beating us. Both could give an outside opinion on Daniel Jones too having seen him up close.
Quinn isn't my first choice for the job, but smart to pick his brain.
I have the feeling Mara views Pederson with a scarlet letter around his neck because of the way 2020 ended.
I think that would be a bit parochial, but it's probably where we are...
do not get so hung up on the idea of hiring every guy they interview. There are so many reasons why you would interview someone..
1. to get their perspective on how to fix this mess
2. to pick their brain on a myriad of topics
3. to create a perceived competition for negotiation purposes with the coach you would really want
4. to potentially hire the guy if you really like what he has to say
5. to have a backup choice if your top choices do not accept the position
Al Davis used to interview a lot of people just to soak in as much of their knowledge as possible.
Whoa. This is hard to reconcile with Ranaan's report. Who is going to interview him? Someone here speculated that all three GM candidates may have listed him. But so what? Are they just making appointments for the new GM? Did they get all three to give them their appointment calendars?
I think this is smart. You don't think they've talked about HC possibilities with these GM candidates? They're getting their ducks in a row and trying to provide some insurance that whoever they pick won't be starting behind the 8 ball. It's shrewd.
On the Giants level of the last 5 years.
Started 1-7 and 0-5 before being fired.
Rosy glasses are you getting the first years in Atlanta or last year's Quinn.
I wouldn't risk it.
Imagine if we had to consider a coach with a career record, at the time, of:
As an architect of the legion of Boom, Came close to a second super bowl as a head coach but ran into the best football player to ever play the game and turned around the Cowboys defense. You have to consider him
they will go ballistic with Quinn calling the shots. He had that SB with the Falcons won. All he had to do is run the ball, or take a knee, and kick a FG. If the Giants had lost that game in that manner, he would have been run out of the city. Folks want him calling the shots come game time?
Quinn could blow farts at the reffs and his in game decisions would look Landry like compared to Judges.
He's been the DC of one of the Giants' division rivals...
of course they should interview him and get his opinion of their team. This is part of taking that long look at the organization through the eyes of those outside of the Timex complex.
On the Giants level of the last 5 years.
Started 1-7 and 0-5 before being fired.
Rosy glasses are you getting the first years in Atlanta or last year's Quinn.
I wouldn't risk it.
Imagine if we had to consider a coach with a career record, at the time, of:
4-12
9-7
11-5
11-5
14-2
7-9
6-10
6-10
What a disaster it would be to hire that guy.
Can anyone name available coaches in the ether that have winning career records? Anyone? Please list them for me.
so you guys are looking for the head coach who wins
...he made constant bonehead decisions at Atlanta. Not just in the Super Bowl.
In 2016 in an overtime game (old overtime rules) he went for it on 4th and 1 from his own 45 yard line. It was the stupidest thing I've ever seen up to that point. Atlanta didn't make it (actually lost yards) and the Chargers need only 15 yards to get into easy FG range.
for what he has accomplished in his NFL career. He orchestrated the greatest defense we've seen in the past 15-20 years in his first season in Seattle. Granted, he had 3 or 4 HOF players, but Quinn got the most out of that unit.
Turned his success into a HC job with Falcons and his first move was to hire Kyle Shanahan as OC (they were a package deal). Building a great staff is a crucial part of an NFL HC's job.
Quinn gets that Falcons team over the hump and they were minutes away from a Super Bowl.
The Falcons FO failed Quinn, failing to acquire impact players on defense and letting the Oline fall apart.
Quinn gets fired, Dallas picks him up as DC. He immediately turns the Dallas Defense around- from one of the leagues worst to a top 10 unit in 2021. Sure, Parsons helped, but one player doesn't make a Defense great
That being said, This offense is so fucking putrid and devoid of talent, I think area of expertise for the new HC has to be offense.
Figure we will have to develop a QB also and it's a no brainer.
There are some good DCs on the market. Fangio, Zim (maybe), and even Graham. There is some talent on the D side as well.
You might be able to add Flores to that list as well. It seems unlikely that he'll strike out on the HC hunt, but it's not inconceivable that he's left standing when the music stops.
Of just bringing in Quinn to be able to pick his brain? I really don’t want him as the HC. He really didn’t have great success with ATL and the OL being this teams biggest need, ATL OL wasn’t great under Quinn. Yes it isn’t all on the HC, but still am nervous about him. Clearly no guarantee Quinn will be the HC. Want offensive minded HC.
Agree. Look who his teams had on offense!
Do people really think that the Giants aren’t asking candidates for interview lists so they aren’t prepared to move quickly?
Goodness gracious…….
Quinn isn't my first choice for the job, but smart to pick his brain.
Last year, the Cowboys defense looked pretty good, but it created a lot of turnover, not a sustainable stat.
Quinn isn't my first choice for the job, but smart to pick his brain.
I have the feeling Mara views Pederson with a scarlet letter around his neck because of the way 2020 ended.
I think that would be a bit parochial, but it's probably where we are...
Agree. Get a running start for the new GM...give him who he wants. I like this.
1. to get their perspective on how to fix this mess
2. to pick their brain on a myriad of topics
3. to create a perceived competition for negotiation purposes with the coach you would really want
4. to potentially hire the guy if you really like what he has to say
5. to have a backup choice if your top choices do not accept the position
Al Davis used to interview a lot of people just to soak in as much of their knowledge as possible.
yes somewhere in NJ. The decision to hire him should purely be based upon whether he calls it Pork Roll or Taylor Ham
Well, that should kill any notion of this being a viable idea. ;)
Fuck him if he starts giving us tie games.
That being said… hell no to Dan Quinn
Curious why you feel that Quinn should be a hell no?
Related, this feels like a nugget that might suggest that Peters is in better position than I assumed.
Started 1-7 and 0-5 before being fired.
Rosy glasses are you getting the first years in Atlanta or last year's Quinn.
I wouldn't risk it.
Imagine if we had to consider a coach with a career record, at the time, of:
4-12
9-7
11-5
11-5
14-2
7-9
6-10
6-10
What a disaster it would be to hire that guy.
I call it either way. People too hung up on it. Taylor is a brand of pork roll.
Spags proved that.
Quinn could blow farts at the reffs and his in game decisions would look Landry like compared to Judges.
Quote:
On the Giants level of the last 5 years.
Started 1-7 and 0-5 before being fired.
Rosy glasses are you getting the first years in Atlanta or last year's Quinn.
I wouldn't risk it.
Imagine if we had to consider a coach with a career record, at the time, of:
4-12
9-7
11-5
11-5
14-2
7-9
6-10
6-10
What a disaster it would be to hire that guy.
Can anyone name available coaches in the ether that have winning career records? Anyone? Please list them for me.
In 2016 in an overtime game (old overtime rules) he went for it on 4th and 1 from his own 45 yard line. It was the stupidest thing I've ever seen up to that point. Atlanta didn't make it (actually lost yards) and the Chargers need only 15 yards to get into easy FG range.
That and the Super Bowl and only two winning seasons with that lineup and hard pass.
Falcons’ Dan Quinn makes terrible call in overtime against Chargers - ( New Window )
Turned his success into a HC job with Falcons and his first move was to hire Kyle Shanahan as OC (they were a package deal). Building a great staff is a crucial part of an NFL HC's job.
Quinn gets that Falcons team over the hump and they were minutes away from a Super Bowl.
The Falcons FO failed Quinn, failing to acquire impact players on defense and letting the Oline fall apart.
Quinn gets fired, Dallas picks him up as DC. He immediately turns the Dallas Defense around- from one of the leagues worst to a top 10 unit in 2021. Sure, Parsons helped, but one player doesn't make a Defense great
Denver was pegged early on as Quinn's landing spot. Let him go there
That being said, This offense is so fucking putrid and devoid of talent, I think area of expertise for the new HC has to be offense.
Figure we will have to develop a QB also and it's a no brainer.
There are some good DCs on the market. Fangio, Zim (maybe), and even Graham. There is some talent on the D side as well.
Doesn't he coach Specials?
Not sure it was Quinn who was overrated, but maybe Ryan was.
That being said, This offense is so fucking putrid and devoid of talent, I think area of expertise for the new HC has to be offense.
Figure we will have to develop a QB also and it's a no brainer.
There are some good DCs on the market. Fangio, Zim (maybe), and even Graham. There is some talent on the D side as well.
You might be able to add Flores to that list as well. It seems unlikely that he'll strike out on the HC hunt, but it's not inconceivable that he's left standing when the music stops.