Brian Flores is also believed to be on the head coach list of all 3 Giants GM finalists, but since he's not currently employed, no permission requests required.
I tend to agree with this point. I like Flores but who would be the OC? The offense is what has struggled the past two years. I am partial to brining in a HC with more of an OC mindset as well. We need to unlock the talent we have on the offensive side of the football.
Be offensive coordinator is irrelevant.. what matters is how good of a coach he is.. being able to identify good coaches to your staff matters more than was side of the ball the HC specializes in.
They aren’t much without a top QB. McVay had some success right away with Goff + Gurley, then couldn’t sustain it when Gurley couldn’t overcome injuries and is now having great success again with Stanford.
Staley, Taylor, Matt LaFleur, Daboll, Bienemy. These guys all have the best QBs in the league. How “brilliant” are they really?
Not trying to disrespect these guys but my point is it’s still a QB driven league.
Flores plus a solid #1 QB and that team might really have something.
I tend to agree with this point. I like Flores but who would be the OC? The offense is what has struggled the past two years. I am partial to brining in a HC with more of an OC mindset as well. We need to unlock the talent we have on the offensive side of the football.
The NE connection definitely scares me, and while I dont think he deserved to get fired in Miami, it's not like he was lighting the world on fire.
Very concerning that he went through offensive coordinators basically every year and never found a good one. Seems like he wasn't easy to get along with as far as his coaches went.
There's a lot of red flags there that just make him a no go for me.
If we're going to hire a coach that is a defensive guy and has HC experience, Dan Quinn would be a far better choice. Not saying I want Quinn, I don't, but if my choices are Flores and Quinn I would take Quinn 100%
If there's a no brainer defensive guy, I wouldn't be against it. But I dont see the no brainer. Flores certainly isn't. He probably deserved another year in Miami, but he's now becoming way overrated as an actual coach after the firing.
Why do people like Flores more than Quinn? Quinn's resume is far better.
with him and his offensive coordinators because he ran through a few in a short time. Were they hired for him or did he make the choices? If our new GM hires him, then we already know they will be on the same page - which was Flores other issue in Miami (he and GM not getting along)
Is it a Coughlin 2006 deal, where TC was told to change or be canned - so he changed and won 2 Titles. Maybe our new GM will tell Flores he needs to lighten up with the players and coaches, cause that seems to be the problem
Defensive Coordinator will be Patrick Graham--still under contract. Although somewhat joking, it could be a possibility.
Special teams coach Joe Judge--expensive coach that we are still paying. :)
It would be interesting if Flores was the pick if he would stick with any of the Giants current coaches--he may have a connection with some of them already as well.
The most obvious keeper is Tom Quinn because it is hard to break his lifetime contract.
If there's a no brainer defensive guy, I wouldn't be against it. But I dont see the no brainer. Flores certainly isn't. He probably deserved another year in Miami, but he's now becoming way overrated as an actual coach after the firing.
Why do people like Flores more than Quinn? Quinn's resume is far better.
No, it isn’t. Dan Quinn was 1 game over .500 with the Falcons. In fact, Matt Ryan’s career winning percentage is FAR superior with Mike Smith as his head coach. Brian Flores was 1 game under .500 with a torn down roster, the immortal duo of Fitzmagic and Tua, and no one remotely resembling Matt Ryan or Julio Jones. Yes, the Falcons were Matt Ryan stupidity away from winning a Super Bowl, but based on the rest of his time there, that season was more an anomaly than anything resembling the norm. Their point differential that one season was +134, best in the NFC. Their PD for the rest of Quinn’s career was -37.
For all the complaints about Flores and his offenses, I’d argue he got the most one possibly could out of ancient Fitzmagic, noodle arm Tua, and their skill position players like Parker, Waddle, Gesicki, and a pile of interchangeable RBs.
I'm very pro Flores.
They aren’t much without a top QB. McVay had some success right away with Goff + Gurley, then couldn’t sustain it when Gurley couldn’t overcome injuries and is now having great success again with Stanford.
Staley, Taylor, Matt LaFleur, Daboll, Bienemy. These guys all have the best QBs in the league. How “brilliant” are they really?
Not trying to disrespect these guys but my point is it’s still a QB driven league.
Flores plus a solid #1 QB and that team might really have something.
The Belichick guys have a reputation for being hard on staff. something to consider.
I am weary of 1st time head coach this go around considering our recent history. Flores would be a coach I am def. interested in
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I would rather a offensive coach at this point
I tend to agree with this point. I like Flores but who would be the OC? The offense is what has struggled the past two years. I am partial to brining in a HC with more of an OC mindset as well. We need to unlock the talent we have on the offensive side of the football.
Well, Garrett is still technically on the payroll
(This is sarcasm btw)
Very concerning that he went through offensive coordinators basically every year and never found a good one. Seems like he wasn't easy to get along with as far as his coaches went.
There's a lot of red flags there that just make him a no go for me.
If we're going to hire a coach that is a defensive guy and has HC experience, Dan Quinn would be a far better choice. Not saying I want Quinn, I don't, but if my choices are Flores and Quinn I would take Quinn 100%
6 of 8 are offensive coaches.
If there's a no brainer defensive guy, I wouldn't be against it. But I dont see the no brainer. Flores certainly isn't. He probably deserved another year in Miami, but he's now becoming way overrated as an actual coach after the firing.
Why do people like Flores more than Quinn? Quinn's resume is far better.
Dan Quinn is a safer pick imo. I really dont see it with Flores. People are just blatantly ignoring the multiple red flags.
Is it a Coughlin 2006 deal, where TC was told to change or be canned - so he changed and won 2 Titles. Maybe our new GM will tell Flores he needs to lighten up with the players and coaches, cause that seems to be the problem
Special teams coach Joe Judge--expensive coach that we are still paying. :)
It would be interesting if Flores was the pick if he would stick with any of the Giants current coaches--he may have a connection with some of them already as well.
The most obvious keeper is Tom Quinn because it is hard to break his lifetime contract.
6 of 8 are offensive coaches.
If there's a no brainer defensive guy, I wouldn't be against it. But I dont see the no brainer. Flores certainly isn't. He probably deserved another year in Miami, but he's now becoming way overrated as an actual coach after the firing.
Why do people like Flores more than Quinn? Quinn's resume is far better.
No, it isn’t. Dan Quinn was 1 game over .500 with the Falcons. In fact, Matt Ryan’s career winning percentage is FAR superior with Mike Smith as his head coach. Brian Flores was 1 game under .500 with a torn down roster, the immortal duo of Fitzmagic and Tua, and no one remotely resembling Matt Ryan or Julio Jones. Yes, the Falcons were Matt Ryan stupidity away from winning a Super Bowl, but based on the rest of his time there, that season was more an anomaly than anything resembling the norm. Their point differential that one season was +134, best in the NFC. Their PD for the rest of Quinn’s career was -37.
For all the complaints about Flores and his offenses, I’d argue he got the most one possibly could out of ancient Fitzmagic, noodle arm Tua, and their skill position players like Parker, Waddle, Gesicki, and a pile of interchangeable RBs.
Was he the guy who didnt jus run and kick a FG to add to the score?
Im not sure quinn is free of red flags
Because he realizes you don't win in today's NFL without an elite QB? Drafting choir boys hasn't really worked out for the Giants recently.
Was he the guy who didnt jus run and kick a FG to add to the score?
Im not sure quinn is free of red flags
In ATL, that get's blamed on Kyle Shanahan, not Quinn or Ryan.