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NFT: Are the Rangers legitimate contenders?

yankeeslover : 1/20/2022 7:11 am
Long time poster and big Ranger fan, though I do not participate in game threads. For my fellow fans, do you believe as currently constructed that the Rangers have a legitimate shot at a cup? I know lots of good teams in conference this year, but do you guys feel confident at this point in a best of 5, 7 series?
I’m starting feel over confident with Goalie. Almost 2014 vibes where Goalie can go on hot streak. Good times either way, and I think our window is just starting to open.
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BrettNYG10 : 1/20/2022 6:18 pm : link
In comment 15562191 bigbluehoya said:
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In comment 15562171 BrettNYG10 said:


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I think NYR should have extended Buchnevich over Kreider.

I don't think the Rangers correctly valued Buchnevich internally.



I don't agree. The net-front presence that Kreider has found has been something they've lacked for years.

When he came up, everyone was so focused on what he would bring in terms of speed, and it manifested in the way he was used. He's finally found his groove and put it all together and it's incredibly effective.


I think you're right for the near-term, but I think the Rangers Cup contention years are 2-5 years from now when Kreider will be on the decline.
RE: You want to know what the blueprint for the Buch trade should’ve been?  
Gman11 : 1/20/2022 6:30 pm : link
In comment 15563000 Anakim said:
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The Brassard/Zibanejad trade. Brassard was a productive, proven top-6 C and the Rangers wanted to shed his salary and get younger. Zibanejad was an up-and-coming talented C who was inexpensive.

Brassard sucked, but that was no fault of the Senators. But that’s the type of deal that Drury should’ve sought.


Brassard didn't suck at least not with the Rangers. He wasn't great, but he didn't get the nickname Big Game Brass for nothing. At the time of the trade most people thought Brassard was a better player than Zibanejad.
RE: RE: You want to know what the blueprint for the Buch trade should’ve been?  
Anakim : 1/20/2022 6:32 pm : link
In comment 15563019 Gman11 said:
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In comment 15563000 Anakim said:


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The Brassard/Zibanejad trade. Brassard was a productive, proven top-6 C and the Rangers wanted to shed his salary and get younger. Zibanejad was an up-and-coming talented C who was inexpensive.

Brassard sucked, but that was no fault of the Senators. But that’s the type of deal that Drury should’ve sought.



Brassard didn't suck at least not with the Rangers. He wasn't great, but he didn't get the nickname Big Game Brass for nothing. At the time of the trade most people thought Brassard was a better player than Zibanejad.



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That's my point
Great hockey discussion in this thread.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/20/2022 6:44 pm : link
I think Arnie’s Leetch-Fox comparison is spot on. Leetch was so much more of a driver of play and more physically gifted than Fox. Fox is simply an A+++ player between the ears with exceptional vision and anticipation. He does make too many mistakes in his own end though.

As for the OP, I tend to have lower expectations for the postseason with this group despite being ecstatic about the season. Like Colhow said, the top 6 for this team has a history of disappearing in big games and against physical opponents. I can’t say I feel much better about that despite Kreider’s newfound dirty work goal scoring prowess. However, you always have a chance when you have one of the sport’s 2-3 best goaltenders. But they would really have to limit mistakes if they wanted Shesty to carry them and there’s too much youth and inexperience to expect that.

I’m still not blaming Drury for Kravy pulling a bitch fit. Had he just put his head down and done what was asked of him, he might be solving some of the issues they have at RW now. Maybe I’m delirious, but I still holding onto hope that he comes to his senses.
Kravy needs to be traded  
redbeard : 1/20/2022 9:34 pm : link
The guys has shown he doesn’t possess the desire to do the dirty work or put his head down and push through when the going gets tough

Don’t care how much talent that guy has….he’s a loser at heart
I don't hold Kravtsov  
pjcas18 : 1/20/2022 10:23 pm : link
(or Andersson for that matter) blameless in their situations, but who has more to lose?

the answer is clearly the Rangers.

You don't get nothing back from the #7 and #9 pick in the draft in back to back years and blame the player's immaturity.

this falls equally on the Rangers player development and player evaluation.

at least IMO.

Here is a pre-draft write-up for Kravtsov. Most were very similar to this one.

We just witnessed a player (another Russian player) with probably the same scouting report flame out famously -- Nail Yakupov. And Yakupov definitely did not lack talent.

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Is an offensive dynamo with tremendous skill with the puck. Is also an extremely good skater with a very projectable (6-2) frame. Can be a game-breaking, offensive force when he is on the ice. His play when he does not have the puck still leaves something to be desired, so he needs to improve his defensive game in order to maximize output in North America. Must also get stronger.

Long Range Potential: Ultra-skilled, talented winger with major upside.


If your assessments and evaluations confirm this and you take the player you HAVE to have a plan for correcting the behavior and getting the player comfortable and unlocking that potential.

Some people may take a tough guy approach "playing time is earned" etc. but then don't take player who need nurturing.
I agree that the Rangers never should have taken  
redbeard : 1/20/2022 10:30 pm : link
The kid in the first place if they weren’t going to essentially baby him into the lineup. Oversight on managements part and shit asset management


However, at this point, how could any of the players ever trust this kid once they are in the thick of it in a playoff race? They can’t. He’s proven he isn’t willing to sacrifice and he wants it handed to him. Good riddance

Alexander Semin was supremely skilled as well….
RE: I agree that the Rangers never should have taken  
pjcas18 : 1/20/2022 10:34 pm : link
In comment 15563538 redbeard said:
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The kid in the first place if they weren’t going to essentially baby him into the lineup. Oversight on managements part and shit asset management


However, at this point, how could any of the players ever trust this kid once they are in the thick of it in a playoff race? They can’t. He’s proven he isn’t willing to sacrifice and he wants it handed to him. Good riddance

Alexander Semin was supremely skilled as well….


that's actually a really good point. I never think of it from the teammate's perspective.

My knee jerk reaction to your comment is the players would welcome him with open arms. Players recognize talent in each other, even the lazy players, but I really don't know how they'd react. Maybe like you say they won't trust him.



RE: You want to know what the blueprint for the Buch trade should’ve been?  
Snablats : 1/20/2022 10:41 pm : link
In comment 15563000 Anakim said:
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The Brassard/Zibanejad trade. Brassard was a productive, proven top-6 C and the Rangers wanted to shed his salary and get younger. Zibanejad was an up-and-coming talented C who was inexpensive.

Brassard sucked, but that was no fault of the Senators. But that’s the type of deal that Drury should’ve sought.

What part of "they shopped Buch all summer and this was the best deal they had" arent you understanding? No matter how you want to wish it so, the Rangers didnt have a better offer or they would have taken it

They didnt count on Kravtsov being a baby and not grabbing the opening in the top 6, then crying about being called on his behavior
Under DQ Rangers did work Kravtsov in  
ColHowPepper : 1/21/2022 9:18 am : link
for ~ 10 games + or - at end of last season, and he showed well, willingness to dig and check in offensive end. And his mates looked genuinely pleased when he netted his first goal in one of last games of the year. Truth to tell I don't remember seeing him on the backcheck so much ):

Something changed under current GM, coach.
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