in the months leading up to the draft.
And so it begins.
I'm okay with taking Willis in the first round and sitting him behind Jones next season, or the first half of next season, or behind Marcus Mariota or whatever.
More than that, I'm confident our next front office will be on top of this.
coming out as well.
But really, how can you know if a player will grow into that with coaching/experience, or if he won't?
Feels like being a venture capitalist.
You never know that with anyone. That's the art of the evaluation.
But the science of a Josh Allen - his size, speed, arm, mobility - screamed big upside.
If Willis was taller and overall bigger, he's a top five talent for sure. But he's got some serious science - arm, speed, quickness.
So did Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell or, more recently, Dwayne Haskins. Allen also did not blossom into the QB he has become until he put in extensive offeseason work with Brian Daboll and the Bills invested in Diggs at WR after beefing up OL. Willis is the most boom or bust QB in this draft IMHO. Either way he is going to need to redshirt 2022 season. Someone is going to look smart because he puts in the effort that Allen did (which I have not seen at the college level) or he is going to flame out in 2 years.
Turning to the rest of the QB's I see things as follows:
Kenny Pickett - The only one who I see as a potential Week 1 starter, but I have serious questions about his upside. For four years he posted Daniel Jones numbers in ACC. Was he just a product of having more experience at a time when opponents who were first year starters did not have that due to COVID?
Matt Corral - The only other name I see as starting at some point in 2022, but not necessarily Week 1. I also think he will need the right OC because his college game is like Josh Allen's, but in the NFL that will get him killed. Will also need some transition time because his O was less pro style than Pickett or Ridder and need to see more going through progressions which can also derail a career.
Desmond Ridder - Like Willis he is not someone you want playing at all in 2022. That being said, with his development at Cincy I think he has a higher floor than Willis in that I do not see him completely washing out before his rookie contract is over. Reminds me of Joe Flacco coming out of college.
But Willis has a second-third round decision making process.
He's a project more than a prospect, IMV. But IF a coach/staff can get him right with the mental side, this guy is a potential superstar.
I'd roll the dice later in the first or the second.
I agree with this. Color me intrigued with the talent though. Not comparing Willis to either one but similar worries are what led teams and draft analysts to miss on Allen and Mahomes. Huge gamble but some team(s) is going to think the juice is worth the squeeze.
Please don't use "juice is worth the squeeze", dahlin'.
Adam Schefter said the other day on his podcast that he thinks Willis will be the first QB off the board and go much higher than outside perception thinks.
way. Fatanstic potential but much too raw to take in the top 10. As someone else said, he needs a lot of time to develop, including becoming a lot better going through progressions. He had some pretty bad games this past season. Classic "high ceiling" "low floor" prospect.
Adam Schefter said the other day on his podcast that he thinks Willis will be the first QB off the board and go much higher than outside perception thinks.
That's good for the Giants. The new GM will have some trading partners that are excited to move up then...
way. Fatanstic potential but much too raw to take in the top 10. As someone else said, he needs a lot of time to develop, including becoming a lot better going through progressions. He had some pretty bad games this past season. Classic "high ceiling" "low floor" prospect.
Probably a ton of quotes like this on Josh Allen on BBI his draft season...
Do Not pass up on Willis!!!!!! He’s the prototype for todays NFL, QBs with plus athleticism and a canon of an arm. In todays NFL QBs HAVE to be able to throw on run, off platform and from different angles. Willis can do all those things at an elite level. I would actually be surprised if his there at 5 after the combine.
Willis Comp:
Wilson (Willis has a bigger arm)
Mahomes
Murray
Mayfield
Watson
Fields (Willis has a bigger arm)
Lance (Willis has a bigger arm)
Prescott ( Willis has bigger arm)
That's the luxury of having two picks: you can take a flyer on a guy like Willis.
At worst, he is a dynamic back-up that you have under control for five years.
I also think Danny would benefit from the competition. One of the underlying issues with his holding the ball too long is that he knows he is the starter no matter what. Bring in Willis and that might change.
Do Not pass up on Willis!!!!!! He’s the prototype for todays NFL, QBs with plus athleticism and a canon of an arm. In todays NFL QBs HAVE to be able to throw on run, off platform and from different angles. Willis can do all those things at an elite level. I would actually be surprised if his there at 5 after the combine.
Willis Comp:
Wilson (Willis has a bigger arm)
Mahomes
Murray
Mayfield
Watson
Fields (Willis has a bigger arm)
Lance (Willis has a bigger arm)
Prescott ( Willis has bigger arm)
I don't see him anywhere near the players you listed. Jordan Love looks like a closer comparison.
Senior Bowl and combine will be the most telling about Strong. In college he looked like a statue in the pocket. That won't fly in the NFL. Need to see if it was by design or he just is not light enough on his feet.
Doubt he'd be there in rd 2, but maybe trade back in rd 1 and take him there. I could live with that, not at 5 or 7, but we would need an OC who knows how to build a scheme around his talents.
RE: RE: RE: Decision making was a knock on Josh Allen
You never know that with anyone. That's the art of the evaluation.
But the science of a Josh Allen - his size, speed, arm, mobility - screamed big upside.
If Willis was taller and overall bigger, he's a top five talent for sure. But he's got some serious science - arm, speed, quickness.
So did Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell or, more recently, Dwayne Haskins. Allen also did not blossom into the QB he has become until he put in extensive offeseason work with Brian Daboll and the Bills invested in Diggs at WR after beefing up OL. Willis is the most boom or bust QB in this draft IMHO. Either way he is going to need to redshirt 2022 season. Someone is going to look smart because he puts in the effort that Allen did (which I have not seen at the college level) or he is going to flame out in 2 years.
Turning to the rest of the QB's I see things as follows:
Kenny Pickett - The only one who I see as a potential Week 1 starter, but I have serious questions about his upside. For four years he posted Daniel Jones numbers in ACC. Was he just a product of having more experience at a time when opponents who were first year starters did not have that due to COVID?
Matt Corral - The only other name I see as starting at some point in 2022, but not necessarily Week 1. I also think he will need the right OC because his college game is like Josh Allen's, but in the NFL that will get him killed. Will also need some transition time because his O was less pro style than Pickett or Ridder and need to see more going through progressions which can also derail a career.
Desmond Ridder - Like Willis he is not someone you want playing at all in 2022. That being said, with his development at Cincy I think he has a higher floor than Willis in that I do not see him completely washing out before his rookie contract is over. Reminds me of Joe Flacco coming out of college.
Right. There are examples on both ends of the outcome spectrum with these prospects with multiple plus tools. It's a very hard task finding a QB from the college pool.
You and I have our differences on Pickett. The next piece of data I need with him is the hand size. That is a legit concern. To me, Pickett looks like the most natural pocket QB in this draft.
I know Terps is big on Corral and I respect his view. But I'm with you with concerns about his body type and is playing style. And how that could be a problem at the next level. But I really like his arm, his moxie, and he seems to be a natural leader. All positive traits.
Ridder is another wildcard. I'm hot and cold with him. Excellent career, prototypical size, and better than average movement and athleticism. I was hoping he would help his stock vs Alabama. But his performance was kind of flat. I've watched a lot of video and saw some mechanical issues I didn't really notice. But I'm looking forward to seeing him test against his peers in the pre-draft run-up.
That's the luxury of having two picks: you can take a flyer on a guy like Willis.
At worst, he is a dynamic back-up that you have under control for five years.
I also think Danny would benefit from the competition. One of the underlying issues with his holding the ball too long is that he knows he is the starter no matter what. Bring in Willis and that might change.
Take a flyer with a top 7 pick when our roster is as barren as it is? Terrible idea.
He can go anywhere from #3 to the end of the first round.
Even if we trade back to the teens, no guarantee the QB you want will still be there.
QBs tend to rise, especially QBs with elite traits.
That is why I think we are better off signing someone like Mariota and then either trading up from 36 (if we want 5th year option) or standing pat (if we prefer to keep draft capital) and if one we like is there you make move at that point (see Denver and Drew Lock or Raiders and Derek Carr)
In comment 15561798 JB_in_DC said:
[quote] I've read that front offices really value scouting QB prospects up close and personal multiple times throughout a season to get a read on them. Would not be surprised if the incoming FO punts on QB in this draft, and commits a lot of resources to scouting the 2023 class. I don't want them rushing this decision and doing silly things like overweighting postseason bowls. Its the most important personnel decision the team will make for years. [/quoteall if
these guys are already working in other FO’s so I feel like they will have enough information on the QB’s if they want to draft one.. I don’t think any of these QB’s are worth a top ten pick in this draft
but what is done after that pick or move. Maybe things go much worse for a guy like Dante Cullpepper if another team picks him and tries to fit him into a round hole. The Vikings had the right system for Culpepper. It worked.
That theory is why I don't always jump to hammer or praise a team when they pick any QB. Some teams laugh last because they did their homework and had a plan while others fail.
To me Willis is intriguing but the team drafting him has to put him a position to succeed.
Willis at 5 is a much better pick than Barkley at 2. I'd be fine with it as a start for the new GM.
I'd want to come out of this draft with a quarterback. Who that quarterback is and where he's drafted is about (hopefully) a significantly better evaluation process than the dogshit that's been in place these past few years.
Willis at 5 is a much better pick than Barkley at 2. I'd be fine with it as a start for the new GM.
I'd want to come out of this draft with a quarterback. Who that quarterback is and where he's drafted is about (hopefully) a significantly better evaluation process than the dogshit that's been in place these past few years.
I'm all for QB with one of our two top picks but its relation to Barkley just weakens your stance, IMO. Using your own words, among others, the goal shouldn't be to be a better pick than Barkley, it should be to pick a really great player at 5 or 7.
So can Willis be that or not, that's the question.
Willis at 5 is a much better pick than Barkley at 2. I'd be fine with it as a start for the new GM.
I'd want to come out of this draft with a quarterback. Who that quarterback is and where he's drafted is about (hopefully) a significantly better evaluation process than the dogshit that's been in place these past few years.
I want a QB too, but it seems like even the supposed top guys in this draft are really more the quality of our 2nd Round pick or possibly trade up into very late 1st Round if we really want that 5th year option, not Top 7 level.
Willis at 5 is a much better pick than Barkley at 2. I'd be fine with it as a start for the new GM.
I'd want to come out of this draft with a quarterback. Who that quarterback is and where he's drafted is about (hopefully) a significantly better evaluation process than the dogshit that's been in place these past few years.
I'm all for QB with one of our two top picks but its relation to Barkley just weakens your stance, IMO. Using your own words, among others, the goal shouldn't be to be a better pick than Barkley, it should be to pick a really great player at 5 or 7.
So can Willis be that or not, that's the question.
I've watched him play a couple times on TV and the rest I've seen is just video breakdowns - the physical characteristics are undeniable. Built like running back, super mobile, great athletic instincts as a runner, and an absolutely huge arm - he'll be in the NFL's elite in that category the day he's drafted.
The question will be whether our offensive coaches feel like they can tease out that raw talent into a top echelon NFL QB. In that sense my mind immediately goes to Daboll and Allen - if we hired Daboll and drafted Willis I think it would be fascinating.
Of course I'd rather get Willis in the second round, but that applies to every prospect.
I'd be excited if we drafted Willis. Fuck it, let's go.
Willis at 5 is a much better pick than Barkley at 2. I'd be fine with it as a start for the new GM.
I'd want to come out of this draft with a quarterback. Who that quarterback is and where he's drafted is about (hopefully) a significantly better evaluation process than the dogshit that's been in place these past few years.
I'm all for QB with one of our two top picks but its relation to Barkley just weakens your stance, IMO. Using your own words, among others, the goal shouldn't be to be a better pick than Barkley, it should be to pick a really great player at 5 or 7.
So can Willis be that or not, that's the question.
I think the point about Barkley is that a RB is never worth the #2 pick in today's NFL. Never.
Adam Schefter said the other day on his podcast that he thinks Willis will be the first QB off the board and go much higher than outside perception thinks.
Schefter is starting to enter JLC territory; he's not nearly as tuned in as he used to be. But let's just entertain the notion for a moment. Does Willis being a hot commodity matter if he's not the QB that the new GM and HC want? Would it be shocking if they didn't like any QB in this class? Would it be shocking if they like Corral? Would it be shocking if they like Pickett?
The top end of the draft has teams that either just took QBs, or don't have GMs/HCs yet. So if Schefter is hearing anything reliable on this, it's the Lions, the Panthers, or the Falcons. They can have Willis if they're willing to take him up there.
but not the draft slot. He is an intriguing talent, but HELL NO at #5. Not with premium OLand defensive players there.
That's the problem I always had with Jones. I know some disagree, but where you take a guy matters. It matters financially, length of contract, but more importantly in expectations. I'm sorry, but a QB taken in the top 10 is supposed to be a guy who will win games by himself, elevate the team, etc. It is not supposed to be a guy who makes a big play sometimes, can win when all the stars are aligned, etc.
If this guy is a guy we are going to be watching in the playoffs for years to come on another team.....then I want him.
Look at the young QB's who are killing it now.
exactly
It's important to remember that Producer is supposedly a vegan, but also was complaining about steakhouses recently.
Just file that away.
This is an inaccurate statement. But this isn't about me. If you wish to discuss the benefits of a plant based diet (not vegan - there's a difference) and why I advocate for it, I am happy to do so on an appropriate thread. I am not eager to discuss my personal health issues and choices, but if it might help you, or others, to pursue a life-altering regimen at some point in the future, I will share a bit of my struggles and journey and insight.
Willis at 5 is a much better pick than Barkley at 2. I'd be fine with it as a start for the new GM.
I'd want to come out of this draft with a quarterback. Who that quarterback is and where he's drafted is about (hopefully) a significantly better evaluation process than the dogshit that's been in place these past few years.
I'm all for QB with one of our two top picks but its relation to Barkley just weakens your stance, IMO. Using your own words, among others, the goal shouldn't be to be a better pick than Barkley, it should be to pick a really great player at 5 or 7.
So can Willis be that or not, that's the question.
I think the point about Barkley is that a RB is never worth the #2 pick in today's NFL. Never.
Well it's not like we haven't heard this about 100000 times on bbi lately.
Unless of course that RB turns in a HOF career, then no one says a word.
RE: RE: RE: RE: It all starts with the QB Gentlemen
If this guy is a guy we are going to be watching in the playoffs for years to come on another team.....then I want him.
Look at the young QB's who are killing it now.
exactly
It's important to remember that Producer is supposedly a vegan, but also was complaining about steakhouses recently.
Just file that away.
This is an inaccurate statement. But this isn't about me. If you wish to discuss the benefits of a plant based diet (not vegan - there's a difference) and why I advocate for it, I am happy to do so on an appropriate thread. I am not eager to discuss my personal health issues and choices, but if it might help you, or others, to pursue a life-altering regimen at some point in the future, I will share a bit of my struggles and journey and insight.
And yet, you felt the need to weigh in on a thread about steakhouses the other day.
It's 100% about you.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: It all starts with the QB Gentlemen
If this guy is a guy we are going to be watching in the playoffs for years to come on another team.....then I want him.
Look at the young QB's who are killing it now.
exactly
It's important to remember that Producer is supposedly a vegan, but also was complaining about steakhouses recently.
Just file that away.
This is an inaccurate statement. But this isn't about me. If you wish to discuss the benefits of a plant based diet (not vegan - there's a difference) and why I advocate for it, I am happy to do so on an appropriate thread. I am not eager to discuss my personal health issues and choices, but if it might help you, or others, to pursue a life-altering regimen at some point in the future, I will share a bit of my struggles and journey and insight.
And yet, you felt the need to weigh in on a thread about steakhouses the other day.
It's 100% about you.
So, because I think a plant-based regimen is the healthiest and smartest, I am not allowed to share an opinion about steakhouses? That really doesn't compute.
Again, I am happy to share my personal health struggles as it might benefit you, or someone else. We can do this on an appropriate NFT thread. But don't think you are going to catch me in some "gotcha" moment. I pretty much lay myself and my opinions out there. I'm older than you and from the sounds of it quite a bit wiser and more experienced. I have valuable life experience. And I am generously offering to share it. But if all you want to do is get something on me, forget it. I'm not down for a silly game.
I respect your general insights here. I'd appreciate some of the same consideration. The life journey that led me to a deeper understanding of nutrition has not been pleasant, and continues to not be pleasant. So have a bit of humility, and either engage with me on this subject honestly, or drop it.
And so it begins.
I'm okay with taking Willis in the first round and sitting him behind Jones next season, or the first half of next season, or behind Marcus Mariota or whatever.
More than that, I'm confident our next front office will be on top of this.
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coming out as well.
But really, how can you know if a player will grow into that with coaching/experience, or if he won't?
Feels like being a venture capitalist.
You never know that with anyone. That's the art of the evaluation.
But the science of a Josh Allen - his size, speed, arm, mobility - screamed big upside.
If Willis was taller and overall bigger, he's a top five talent for sure. But he's got some serious science - arm, speed, quickness.
So did Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell or, more recently, Dwayne Haskins. Allen also did not blossom into the QB he has become until he put in extensive offeseason work with Brian Daboll and the Bills invested in Diggs at WR after beefing up OL. Willis is the most boom or bust QB in this draft IMHO. Either way he is going to need to redshirt 2022 season. Someone is going to look smart because he puts in the effort that Allen did (which I have not seen at the college level) or he is going to flame out in 2 years.
Turning to the rest of the QB's I see things as follows:
Kenny Pickett - The only one who I see as a potential Week 1 starter, but I have serious questions about his upside. For four years he posted Daniel Jones numbers in ACC. Was he just a product of having more experience at a time when opponents who were first year starters did not have that due to COVID?
Matt Corral - The only other name I see as starting at some point in 2022, but not necessarily Week 1. I also think he will need the right OC because his college game is like Josh Allen's, but in the NFL that will get him killed. Will also need some transition time because his O was less pro style than Pickett or Ridder and need to see more going through progressions which can also derail a career.
Desmond Ridder - Like Willis he is not someone you want playing at all in 2022. That being said, with his development at Cincy I think he has a higher floor than Willis in that I do not see him completely washing out before his rookie contract is over. Reminds me of Joe Flacco coming out of college.
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physically. Unquestionably to me.
But Willis has a second-third round decision making process.
He's a project more than a prospect, IMV. But IF a coach/staff can get him right with the mental side, this guy is a potential superstar.
I'd roll the dice later in the first or the second.
I agree with this. Color me intrigued with the talent though. Not comparing Willis to either one but similar worries are what led teams and draft analysts to miss on Allen and Mahomes. Huge gamble but some team(s) is going to think the juice is worth the squeeze.
Please don't use "juice is worth the squeeze", dahlin'.
Adam Schefter said the other day on his podcast that he thinks Willis will be the first QB off the board and go much higher than outside perception thinks.
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But if he's there at #36, it's intriguing.
Adam Schefter said the other day on his podcast that he thinks Willis will be the first QB off the board and go much higher than outside perception thinks.
That's good for the Giants. The new GM will have some trading partners that are excited to move up then...
Probably a ton of quotes like this on Josh Allen on BBI his draft season...
Willis Comp:
Wilson (Willis has a bigger arm)
Mahomes
Murray
Mayfield
Watson
Fields (Willis has a bigger arm)
Lance (Willis has a bigger arm)
Prescott ( Willis has bigger arm)
At worst, he is a dynamic back-up that you have under control for five years.
I also think Danny would benefit from the competition. One of the underlying issues with his holding the ball too long is that he knows he is the starter no matter what. Bring in Willis and that might change.
Willis Comp:
Wilson (Willis has a bigger arm)
Mahomes
Murray
Mayfield
Watson
Fields (Willis has a bigger arm)
Lance (Willis has a bigger arm)
Prescott ( Willis has bigger arm)
I don't see him anywhere near the players you listed. Jordan Love looks like a closer comparison.
But he has good athletic traits.
But in game he often looked lost.
The combine will determine a lot with this guy.
But #5 sounds rich.
Senior Bowl and combine will be the most telling about Strong. In college he looked like a statue in the pocket. That won't fly in the NFL. Need to see if it was by design or he just is not light enough on his feet.
Doubt he'd be there in rd 2, but maybe trade back in rd 1 and take him there. I could live with that, not at 5 or 7, but we would need an OC who knows how to build a scheme around his talents.
You never know that with anyone. That's the art of the evaluation.
But the science of a Josh Allen - his size, speed, arm, mobility - screamed big upside.
If Willis was taller and overall bigger, he's a top five talent for sure. But he's got some serious science - arm, speed, quickness.
So did Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell or, more recently, Dwayne Haskins. Allen also did not blossom into the QB he has become until he put in extensive offeseason work with Brian Daboll and the Bills invested in Diggs at WR after beefing up OL. Willis is the most boom or bust QB in this draft IMHO. Either way he is going to need to redshirt 2022 season. Someone is going to look smart because he puts in the effort that Allen did (which I have not seen at the college level) or he is going to flame out in 2 years.
Turning to the rest of the QB's I see things as follows:
Kenny Pickett - The only one who I see as a potential Week 1 starter, but I have serious questions about his upside. For four years he posted Daniel Jones numbers in ACC. Was he just a product of having more experience at a time when opponents who were first year starters did not have that due to COVID?
Matt Corral - The only other name I see as starting at some point in 2022, but not necessarily Week 1. I also think he will need the right OC because his college game is like Josh Allen's, but in the NFL that will get him killed. Will also need some transition time because his O was less pro style than Pickett or Ridder and need to see more going through progressions which can also derail a career.
Desmond Ridder - Like Willis he is not someone you want playing at all in 2022. That being said, with his development at Cincy I think he has a higher floor than Willis in that I do not see him completely washing out before his rookie contract is over. Reminds me of Joe Flacco coming out of college.
Right. There are examples on both ends of the outcome spectrum with these prospects with multiple plus tools. It's a very hard task finding a QB from the college pool.
You and I have our differences on Pickett. The next piece of data I need with him is the hand size. That is a legit concern. To me, Pickett looks like the most natural pocket QB in this draft.
I know Terps is big on Corral and I respect his view. But I'm with you with concerns about his body type and is playing style. And how that could be a problem at the next level. But I really like his arm, his moxie, and he seems to be a natural leader. All positive traits.
Ridder is another wildcard. I'm hot and cold with him. Excellent career, prototypical size, and better than average movement and athleticism. I was hoping he would help his stock vs Alabama. But his performance was kind of flat. I've watched a lot of video and saw some mechanical issues I didn't really notice. But I'm looking forward to seeing him test against his peers in the pre-draft run-up.
Even if we trade back to the teens, no guarantee the QB you want will still be there.
QBs tend to rise, especially QBs with elite traits.
At worst, he is a dynamic back-up that you have under control for five years.
I also think Danny would benefit from the competition. One of the underlying issues with his holding the ball too long is that he knows he is the starter no matter what. Bring in Willis and that might change.
Take a flyer with a top 7 pick when our roster is as barren as it is? Terrible idea.
Some of throws he made this year at Liberty are really insane. He reminds me of Brett Favre.
Even if we trade back to the teens, no guarantee the QB you want will still be there.
QBs tend to rise, especially QBs with elite traits.
That is why I think we are better off signing someone like Mariota and then either trading up from 36 (if we want 5th year option) or standing pat (if we prefer to keep draft capital) and if one we like is there you make move at that point (see Denver and Drew Lock or Raiders and Derek Carr)
Just a hunch.
[quote] I've read that front offices really value scouting QB prospects up close and personal multiple times throughout a season to get a read on them. Would not be surprised if the incoming FO punts on QB in this draft, and commits a lot of resources to scouting the 2023 class. I don't want them rushing this decision and doing silly things like overweighting postseason bowls. Its the most important personnel decision the team will make for years. [/quoteall if
these guys are already working in other FO’s so I feel like they will have enough information on the QB’s if they want to draft one.. I don’t think any of these QB’s are worth a top ten pick in this draft
That theory is why I don't always jump to hammer or praise a team when they pick any QB. Some teams laugh last because they did their homework and had a plan while others fail.
To me Willis is intriguing but the team drafting him has to put him a position to succeed.
Look at the young QB's who are killing it now.
I'd want to come out of this draft with a quarterback. Who that quarterback is and where he's drafted is about (hopefully) a significantly better evaluation process than the dogshit that's been in place these past few years.
I'd want to come out of this draft with a quarterback. Who that quarterback is and where he's drafted is about (hopefully) a significantly better evaluation process than the dogshit that's been in place these past few years.
I'm all for QB with one of our two top picks but its relation to Barkley just weakens your stance, IMO. Using your own words, among others, the goal shouldn't be to be a better pick than Barkley, it should be to pick a really great player at 5 or 7.
So can Willis be that or not, that's the question.
I'd want to come out of this draft with a quarterback. Who that quarterback is and where he's drafted is about (hopefully) a significantly better evaluation process than the dogshit that's been in place these past few years.
I want a QB too, but it seems like even the supposed top guys in this draft are really more the quality of our 2nd Round pick or possibly trade up into very late 1st Round if we really want that 5th year option, not Top 7 level.
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Willis at 5 is a much better pick than Barkley at 2. I'd be fine with it as a start for the new GM.
I'd want to come out of this draft with a quarterback. Who that quarterback is and where he's drafted is about (hopefully) a significantly better evaluation process than the dogshit that's been in place these past few years.
I'm all for QB with one of our two top picks but its relation to Barkley just weakens your stance, IMO. Using your own words, among others, the goal shouldn't be to be a better pick than Barkley, it should be to pick a really great player at 5 or 7.
So can Willis be that or not, that's the question.
I've watched him play a couple times on TV and the rest I've seen is just video breakdowns - the physical characteristics are undeniable. Built like running back, super mobile, great athletic instincts as a runner, and an absolutely huge arm - he'll be in the NFL's elite in that category the day he's drafted.
The question will be whether our offensive coaches feel like they can tease out that raw talent into a top echelon NFL QB. In that sense my mind immediately goes to Daboll and Allen - if we hired Daboll and drafted Willis I think it would be fascinating.
Of course I'd rather get Willis in the second round, but that applies to every prospect.
I'd be excited if we drafted Willis. Fuck it, let's go.
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Willis at 5 is a much better pick than Barkley at 2. I'd be fine with it as a start for the new GM.
I'd want to come out of this draft with a quarterback. Who that quarterback is and where he's drafted is about (hopefully) a significantly better evaluation process than the dogshit that's been in place these past few years.
I'm all for QB with one of our two top picks but its relation to Barkley just weakens your stance, IMO. Using your own words, among others, the goal shouldn't be to be a better pick than Barkley, it should be to pick a really great player at 5 or 7.
So can Willis be that or not, that's the question.
I think the point about Barkley is that a RB is never worth the #2 pick in today's NFL. Never.
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But if he's there at #36, it's intriguing.
Adam Schefter said the other day on his podcast that he thinks Willis will be the first QB off the board and go much higher than outside perception thinks.
Schefter is starting to enter JLC territory; he's not nearly as tuned in as he used to be. But let's just entertain the notion for a moment. Does Willis being a hot commodity matter if he's not the QB that the new GM and HC want? Would it be shocking if they didn't like any QB in this class? Would it be shocking if they like Corral? Would it be shocking if they like Pickett?
The top end of the draft has teams that either just took QBs, or don't have GMs/HCs yet. So if Schefter is hearing anything reliable on this, it's the Lions, the Panthers, or the Falcons. They can have Willis if they're willing to take him up there.
Look at the young QB's who are killing it now.
exactly
That's really more about you than the pick.
If we take a QB you'll be excited, because when you get a great one it alters the trajectory of the franchise.
And brains of mush.
That's the problem I always had with Jones. I know some disagree, but where you take a guy matters. It matters financially, length of contract, but more importantly in expectations. I'm sorry, but a QB taken in the top 10 is supposed to be a guy who will win games by himself, elevate the team, etc. It is not supposed to be a guy who makes a big play sometimes, can win when all the stars are aligned, etc.
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If this guy is a guy we are going to be watching in the playoffs for years to come on another team.....then I want him.
Look at the young QB's who are killing it now.
exactly
It's important to remember that Producer is supposedly a vegan, but also was complaining about steakhouses recently.
Just file that away.
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If this guy is a guy we are going to be watching in the playoffs for years to come on another team.....then I want him.
Look at the young QB's who are killing it now.
exactly
It's important to remember that Producer is supposedly a vegan, but also was complaining about steakhouses recently.
Just file that away.
This is an inaccurate statement. But this isn't about me. If you wish to discuss the benefits of a plant based diet (not vegan - there's a difference) and why I advocate for it, I am happy to do so on an appropriate thread. I am not eager to discuss my personal health issues and choices, but if it might help you, or others, to pursue a life-altering regimen at some point in the future, I will share a bit of my struggles and journey and insight.
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Willis at 5 is a much better pick than Barkley at 2. I'd be fine with it as a start for the new GM.
I'd want to come out of this draft with a quarterback. Who that quarterback is and where he's drafted is about (hopefully) a significantly better evaluation process than the dogshit that's been in place these past few years.
I'm all for QB with one of our two top picks but its relation to Barkley just weakens your stance, IMO. Using your own words, among others, the goal shouldn't be to be a better pick than Barkley, it should be to pick a really great player at 5 or 7.
So can Willis be that or not, that's the question.
I think the point about Barkley is that a RB is never worth the #2 pick in today's NFL. Never.
Well it's not like we haven't heard this about 100000 times on bbi lately.
Unless of course that RB turns in a HOF career, then no one says a word.
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If this guy is a guy we are going to be watching in the playoffs for years to come on another team.....then I want him.
Look at the young QB's who are killing it now.
exactly
It's important to remember that Producer is supposedly a vegan, but also was complaining about steakhouses recently.
Just file that away.
This is an inaccurate statement. But this isn't about me. If you wish to discuss the benefits of a plant based diet (not vegan - there's a difference) and why I advocate for it, I am happy to do so on an appropriate thread. I am not eager to discuss my personal health issues and choices, but if it might help you, or others, to pursue a life-altering regimen at some point in the future, I will share a bit of my struggles and journey and insight.
And yet, you felt the need to weigh in on a thread about steakhouses the other day.
It's 100% about you.
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If this guy is a guy we are going to be watching in the playoffs for years to come on another team.....then I want him.
Look at the young QB's who are killing it now.
exactly
It's important to remember that Producer is supposedly a vegan, but also was complaining about steakhouses recently.
Just file that away.
This is an inaccurate statement. But this isn't about me. If you wish to discuss the benefits of a plant based diet (not vegan - there's a difference) and why I advocate for it, I am happy to do so on an appropriate thread. I am not eager to discuss my personal health issues and choices, but if it might help you, or others, to pursue a life-altering regimen at some point in the future, I will share a bit of my struggles and journey and insight.
And yet, you felt the need to weigh in on a thread about steakhouses the other day.
It's 100% about you.
So, because I think a plant-based regimen is the healthiest and smartest, I am not allowed to share an opinion about steakhouses? That really doesn't compute.
Again, I am happy to share my personal health struggles as it might benefit you, or someone else. We can do this on an appropriate NFT thread. But don't think you are going to catch me in some "gotcha" moment. I pretty much lay myself and my opinions out there. I'm older than you and from the sounds of it quite a bit wiser and more experienced. I have valuable life experience. And I am generously offering to share it. But if all you want to do is get something on me, forget it. I'm not down for a silly game.
I respect your general insights here. I'd appreciate some of the same consideration. The life journey that led me to a deeper understanding of nutrition has not been pleasant, and continues to not be pleasant. So have a bit of humility, and either engage with me on this subject honestly, or drop it.
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that dude has balls of steel
And brains of mush.
Lol already throwing jabs at theoretical move by a hire that hasn't been made.