In comment 15561798 JB_in_DC said:
[quote] I've read that front offices really value scouting QB prospects up close and personal multiple times throughout a season to get a read on them. Would not be surprised if the incoming FO punts on QB in this draft, and commits a lot of resources to scouting the 2023 class. I don't want them rushing this decision and doing silly things like overweighting postseason bowls. Its the most important personnel decision the team will make for years. [/quoteall if
these guys are already working in other FO’s so I feel like they will have enough information on the QB’s if they want to draft one.. I don’t think any of these QB’s are worth a top ten pick in this draft
but what is done after that pick or move. Maybe things go much worse for a guy like Dante Cullpepper if another team picks him and tries to fit him into a round hole. The Vikings had the right system for Culpepper. It worked.
That theory is why I don't always jump to hammer or praise a team when they pick any QB. Some teams laugh last because they did their homework and had a plan while others fail.
To me Willis is intriguing but the team drafting him has to put him a position to succeed.
Willis at 5 is a much better pick than Barkley at 2. I'd be fine with it as a start for the new GM.
I'd want to come out of this draft with a quarterback. Who that quarterback is and where he's drafted is about (hopefully) a significantly better evaluation process than the dogshit that's been in place these past few years.
Willis at 5 is a much better pick than Barkley at 2. I'd be fine with it as a start for the new GM.
I'd want to come out of this draft with a quarterback. Who that quarterback is and where he's drafted is about (hopefully) a significantly better evaluation process than the dogshit that's been in place these past few years.
I'm all for QB with one of our two top picks but its relation to Barkley just weakens your stance, IMO. Using your own words, among others, the goal shouldn't be to be a better pick than Barkley, it should be to pick a really great player at 5 or 7.
So can Willis be that or not, that's the question.
Willis at 5 is a much better pick than Barkley at 2. I'd be fine with it as a start for the new GM.
I'd want to come out of this draft with a quarterback. Who that quarterback is and where he's drafted is about (hopefully) a significantly better evaluation process than the dogshit that's been in place these past few years.
I want a QB too, but it seems like even the supposed top guys in this draft are really more the quality of our 2nd Round pick or possibly trade up into very late 1st Round if we really want that 5th year option, not Top 7 level.
Willis at 5 is a much better pick than Barkley at 2. I'd be fine with it as a start for the new GM.
I'd want to come out of this draft with a quarterback. Who that quarterback is and where he's drafted is about (hopefully) a significantly better evaluation process than the dogshit that's been in place these past few years.
I'm all for QB with one of our two top picks but its relation to Barkley just weakens your stance, IMO. Using your own words, among others, the goal shouldn't be to be a better pick than Barkley, it should be to pick a really great player at 5 or 7.
So can Willis be that or not, that's the question.
I've watched him play a couple times on TV and the rest I've seen is just video breakdowns - the physical characteristics are undeniable. Built like running back, super mobile, great athletic instincts as a runner, and an absolutely huge arm - he'll be in the NFL's elite in that category the day he's drafted.
The question will be whether our offensive coaches feel like they can tease out that raw talent into a top echelon NFL QB. In that sense my mind immediately goes to Daboll and Allen - if we hired Daboll and drafted Willis I think it would be fascinating.
Of course I'd rather get Willis in the second round, but that applies to every prospect.
I'd be excited if we drafted Willis. Fuck it, let's go.
Willis at 5 is a much better pick than Barkley at 2. I'd be fine with it as a start for the new GM.
I'd want to come out of this draft with a quarterback. Who that quarterback is and where he's drafted is about (hopefully) a significantly better evaluation process than the dogshit that's been in place these past few years.
I'm all for QB with one of our two top picks but its relation to Barkley just weakens your stance, IMO. Using your own words, among others, the goal shouldn't be to be a better pick than Barkley, it should be to pick a really great player at 5 or 7.
So can Willis be that or not, that's the question.
I think the point about Barkley is that a RB is never worth the #2 pick in today's NFL. Never.
Adam Schefter said the other day on his podcast that he thinks Willis will be the first QB off the board and go much higher than outside perception thinks.
Schefter is starting to enter JLC territory; he's not nearly as tuned in as he used to be. But let's just entertain the notion for a moment. Does Willis being a hot commodity matter if he's not the QB that the new GM and HC want? Would it be shocking if they didn't like any QB in this class? Would it be shocking if they like Corral? Would it be shocking if they like Pickett?
The top end of the draft has teams that either just took QBs, or don't have GMs/HCs yet. So if Schefter is hearing anything reliable on this, it's the Lions, the Panthers, or the Falcons. They can have Willis if they're willing to take him up there.
but not the draft slot. He is an intriguing talent, but HELL NO at #5. Not with premium OLand defensive players there.
That's the problem I always had with Jones. I know some disagree, but where you take a guy matters. It matters financially, length of contract, but more importantly in expectations. I'm sorry, but a QB taken in the top 10 is supposed to be a guy who will win games by himself, elevate the team, etc. It is not supposed to be a guy who makes a big play sometimes, can win when all the stars are aligned, etc.
If this guy is a guy we are going to be watching in the playoffs for years to come on another team.....then I want him.
Look at the young QB's who are killing it now.
exactly
It's important to remember that Producer is supposedly a vegan, but also was complaining about steakhouses recently.
Just file that away.
This is an inaccurate statement. But this isn't about me. If you wish to discuss the benefits of a plant based diet (not vegan - there's a difference) and why I advocate for it, I am happy to do so on an appropriate thread. I am not eager to discuss my personal health issues and choices, but if it might help you, or others, to pursue a life-altering regimen at some point in the future, I will share a bit of my struggles and journey and insight.
Willis at 5 is a much better pick than Barkley at 2. I'd be fine with it as a start for the new GM.
I'd want to come out of this draft with a quarterback. Who that quarterback is and where he's drafted is about (hopefully) a significantly better evaluation process than the dogshit that's been in place these past few years.
I'm all for QB with one of our two top picks but its relation to Barkley just weakens your stance, IMO. Using your own words, among others, the goal shouldn't be to be a better pick than Barkley, it should be to pick a really great player at 5 or 7.
So can Willis be that or not, that's the question.
I think the point about Barkley is that a RB is never worth the #2 pick in today's NFL. Never.
Well it's not like we haven't heard this about 100000 times on bbi lately.
Unless of course that RB turns in a HOF career, then no one says a word.
RE: RE: RE: RE: It all starts with the QB Gentlemen
If this guy is a guy we are going to be watching in the playoffs for years to come on another team.....then I want him.
Look at the young QB's who are killing it now.
exactly
It's important to remember that Producer is supposedly a vegan, but also was complaining about steakhouses recently.
Just file that away.
This is an inaccurate statement. But this isn't about me. If you wish to discuss the benefits of a plant based diet (not vegan - there's a difference) and why I advocate for it, I am happy to do so on an appropriate thread. I am not eager to discuss my personal health issues and choices, but if it might help you, or others, to pursue a life-altering regimen at some point in the future, I will share a bit of my struggles and journey and insight.
And yet, you felt the need to weigh in on a thread about steakhouses the other day.
It's 100% about you.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: It all starts with the QB Gentlemen
If this guy is a guy we are going to be watching in the playoffs for years to come on another team.....then I want him.
Look at the young QB's who are killing it now.
exactly
It's important to remember that Producer is supposedly a vegan, but also was complaining about steakhouses recently.
Just file that away.
This is an inaccurate statement. But this isn't about me. If you wish to discuss the benefits of a plant based diet (not vegan - there's a difference) and why I advocate for it, I am happy to do so on an appropriate thread. I am not eager to discuss my personal health issues and choices, but if it might help you, or others, to pursue a life-altering regimen at some point in the future, I will share a bit of my struggles and journey and insight.
And yet, you felt the need to weigh in on a thread about steakhouses the other day.
It's 100% about you.
So, because I think a plant-based regimen is the healthiest and smartest, I am not allowed to share an opinion about steakhouses? That really doesn't compute.
Again, I am happy to share my personal health struggles as it might benefit you, or someone else. We can do this on an appropriate NFT thread. But don't think you are going to catch me in some "gotcha" moment. I pretty much lay myself and my opinions out there. I'm older than you and from the sounds of it quite a bit wiser and more experienced. I have valuable life experience. And I am generously offering to share it. But if all you want to do is get something on me, forget it. I'm not down for a silly game.
I respect your general insights here. I'd appreciate some of the same consideration. The life journey that led me to a deeper understanding of nutrition has not been pleasant, and continues to not be pleasant. So have a bit of humility, and either engage with me on this subject honestly, or drop it.
Just a hunch.
[quote] I've read that front offices really value scouting QB prospects up close and personal multiple times throughout a season to get a read on them. Would not be surprised if the incoming FO punts on QB in this draft, and commits a lot of resources to scouting the 2023 class. I don't want them rushing this decision and doing silly things like overweighting postseason bowls. Its the most important personnel decision the team will make for years. [/quoteall if
these guys are already working in other FO’s so I feel like they will have enough information on the QB’s if they want to draft one.. I don’t think any of these QB’s are worth a top ten pick in this draft
That theory is why I don't always jump to hammer or praise a team when they pick any QB. Some teams laugh last because they did their homework and had a plan while others fail.
To me Willis is intriguing but the team drafting him has to put him a position to succeed.
Look at the young QB's who are killing it now.
I'd want to come out of this draft with a quarterback. Who that quarterback is and where he's drafted is about (hopefully) a significantly better evaluation process than the dogshit that's been in place these past few years.
I'd want to come out of this draft with a quarterback. Who that quarterback is and where he's drafted is about (hopefully) a significantly better evaluation process than the dogshit that's been in place these past few years.
I'm all for QB with one of our two top picks but its relation to Barkley just weakens your stance, IMO. Using your own words, among others, the goal shouldn't be to be a better pick than Barkley, it should be to pick a really great player at 5 or 7.
So can Willis be that or not, that's the question.
I'd want to come out of this draft with a quarterback. Who that quarterback is and where he's drafted is about (hopefully) a significantly better evaluation process than the dogshit that's been in place these past few years.
I want a QB too, but it seems like even the supposed top guys in this draft are really more the quality of our 2nd Round pick or possibly trade up into very late 1st Round if we really want that 5th year option, not Top 7 level.
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Willis at 5 is a much better pick than Barkley at 2. I'd be fine with it as a start for the new GM.
I'd want to come out of this draft with a quarterback. Who that quarterback is and where he's drafted is about (hopefully) a significantly better evaluation process than the dogshit that's been in place these past few years.
I'm all for QB with one of our two top picks but its relation to Barkley just weakens your stance, IMO. Using your own words, among others, the goal shouldn't be to be a better pick than Barkley, it should be to pick a really great player at 5 or 7.
So can Willis be that or not, that's the question.
I've watched him play a couple times on TV and the rest I've seen is just video breakdowns - the physical characteristics are undeniable. Built like running back, super mobile, great athletic instincts as a runner, and an absolutely huge arm - he'll be in the NFL's elite in that category the day he's drafted.
The question will be whether our offensive coaches feel like they can tease out that raw talent into a top echelon NFL QB. In that sense my mind immediately goes to Daboll and Allen - if we hired Daboll and drafted Willis I think it would be fascinating.
Of course I'd rather get Willis in the second round, but that applies to every prospect.
I'd be excited if we drafted Willis. Fuck it, let's go.
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Willis at 5 is a much better pick than Barkley at 2. I'd be fine with it as a start for the new GM.
I'd want to come out of this draft with a quarterback. Who that quarterback is and where he's drafted is about (hopefully) a significantly better evaluation process than the dogshit that's been in place these past few years.
I'm all for QB with one of our two top picks but its relation to Barkley just weakens your stance, IMO. Using your own words, among others, the goal shouldn't be to be a better pick than Barkley, it should be to pick a really great player at 5 or 7.
So can Willis be that or not, that's the question.
I think the point about Barkley is that a RB is never worth the #2 pick in today's NFL. Never.
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But if he's there at #36, it's intriguing.
Adam Schefter said the other day on his podcast that he thinks Willis will be the first QB off the board and go much higher than outside perception thinks.
Schefter is starting to enter JLC territory; he's not nearly as tuned in as he used to be. But let's just entertain the notion for a moment. Does Willis being a hot commodity matter if he's not the QB that the new GM and HC want? Would it be shocking if they didn't like any QB in this class? Would it be shocking if they like Corral? Would it be shocking if they like Pickett?
The top end of the draft has teams that either just took QBs, or don't have GMs/HCs yet. So if Schefter is hearing anything reliable on this, it's the Lions, the Panthers, or the Falcons. They can have Willis if they're willing to take him up there.
Look at the young QB's who are killing it now.
exactly
That's really more about you than the pick.
If we take a QB you'll be excited, because when you get a great one it alters the trajectory of the franchise.
And brains of mush.
That's the problem I always had with Jones. I know some disagree, but where you take a guy matters. It matters financially, length of contract, but more importantly in expectations. I'm sorry, but a QB taken in the top 10 is supposed to be a guy who will win games by himself, elevate the team, etc. It is not supposed to be a guy who makes a big play sometimes, can win when all the stars are aligned, etc.
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If this guy is a guy we are going to be watching in the playoffs for years to come on another team.....then I want him.
Look at the young QB's who are killing it now.
exactly
It's important to remember that Producer is supposedly a vegan, but also was complaining about steakhouses recently.
Just file that away.
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In comment 15562600 GiantBlue said:
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If this guy is a guy we are going to be watching in the playoffs for years to come on another team.....then I want him.
Look at the young QB's who are killing it now.
exactly
It's important to remember that Producer is supposedly a vegan, but also was complaining about steakhouses recently.
Just file that away.
This is an inaccurate statement. But this isn't about me. If you wish to discuss the benefits of a plant based diet (not vegan - there's a difference) and why I advocate for it, I am happy to do so on an appropriate thread. I am not eager to discuss my personal health issues and choices, but if it might help you, or others, to pursue a life-altering regimen at some point in the future, I will share a bit of my struggles and journey and insight.
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In comment 15562618 Go Terps said:
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Willis at 5 is a much better pick than Barkley at 2. I'd be fine with it as a start for the new GM.
I'd want to come out of this draft with a quarterback. Who that quarterback is and where he's drafted is about (hopefully) a significantly better evaluation process than the dogshit that's been in place these past few years.
I'm all for QB with one of our two top picks but its relation to Barkley just weakens your stance, IMO. Using your own words, among others, the goal shouldn't be to be a better pick than Barkley, it should be to pick a really great player at 5 or 7.
So can Willis be that or not, that's the question.
I think the point about Barkley is that a RB is never worth the #2 pick in today's NFL. Never.
Well it's not like we haven't heard this about 100000 times on bbi lately.
Unless of course that RB turns in a HOF career, then no one says a word.
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In comment 15562727 Producer said:
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In comment 15562600 GiantBlue said:
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If this guy is a guy we are going to be watching in the playoffs for years to come on another team.....then I want him.
Look at the young QB's who are killing it now.
exactly
It's important to remember that Producer is supposedly a vegan, but also was complaining about steakhouses recently.
Just file that away.
This is an inaccurate statement. But this isn't about me. If you wish to discuss the benefits of a plant based diet (not vegan - there's a difference) and why I advocate for it, I am happy to do so on an appropriate thread. I am not eager to discuss my personal health issues and choices, but if it might help you, or others, to pursue a life-altering regimen at some point in the future, I will share a bit of my struggles and journey and insight.
And yet, you felt the need to weigh in on a thread about steakhouses the other day.
It's 100% about you.
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In comment 15562786 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 15562727 Producer said:
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In comment 15562600 GiantBlue said:
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If this guy is a guy we are going to be watching in the playoffs for years to come on another team.....then I want him.
Look at the young QB's who are killing it now.
exactly
It's important to remember that Producer is supposedly a vegan, but also was complaining about steakhouses recently.
Just file that away.
This is an inaccurate statement. But this isn't about me. If you wish to discuss the benefits of a plant based diet (not vegan - there's a difference) and why I advocate for it, I am happy to do so on an appropriate thread. I am not eager to discuss my personal health issues and choices, but if it might help you, or others, to pursue a life-altering regimen at some point in the future, I will share a bit of my struggles and journey and insight.
And yet, you felt the need to weigh in on a thread about steakhouses the other day.
It's 100% about you.
So, because I think a plant-based regimen is the healthiest and smartest, I am not allowed to share an opinion about steakhouses? That really doesn't compute.
Again, I am happy to share my personal health struggles as it might benefit you, or someone else. We can do this on an appropriate NFT thread. But don't think you are going to catch me in some "gotcha" moment. I pretty much lay myself and my opinions out there. I'm older than you and from the sounds of it quite a bit wiser and more experienced. I have valuable life experience. And I am generously offering to share it. But if all you want to do is get something on me, forget it. I'm not down for a silly game.
I respect your general insights here. I'd appreciate some of the same consideration. The life journey that led me to a deeper understanding of nutrition has not been pleasant, and continues to not be pleasant. So have a bit of humility, and either engage with me on this subject honestly, or drop it.
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that dude has balls of steel
And brains of mush.
Lol already throwing jabs at theoretical move by a hire that hasn't been made.