NFT: Knicks vs. Pelicans - 7:30 PM - Game Thread

In comment 15563737 GNewGiants said:

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Come close for Brunson. They are the 5th seed and he is their third best player. Plus with Kleber, porzingis and Powell - where’s Obi’s role? Finney Smith plays a lot on the 4 as well. Mavs would get a lot more than Toppin at the trade line. They need to add talent for Luka not subtract it.

They arent paying Brunson plus he only makes 1.8 million, hard for them to get vets without adding more to the Brunson side..

In comment 15563723 nygiants16 said:

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Obi and a 1st for Brunson Randle for Barnes and a 1st offer up Burks around the League take a draft pick back.. Noel is ubtradeable because he is always hurt Kemba is probably untradeable but i offer him up and then buy him out so he can look to go to a contender.. I keep Fournier but tell him he is coming off the bench.. Brunson, Rj,Reddish, Barnes, Mitch bench Rose, Quick, Grimes, Taj

I’d be happy with this, only change is I would try to send out Grimes or Quickley for Brunson rather than Toppin. If they are trading Randle, Toppin actually will be able to see the court on a regular basis.

In comment 15563741 Mike in NJ said:

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In comment 15563723 nygiants16 said: Quote: Obi and a 1st for Brunson Randle for Barnes and a 1st offer up Burks around the League take a draft pick back.. Noel is ubtradeable because he is always hurt Kemba is probably untradeable but i offer him up and then buy him out so he can look to go to a contender.. I keep Fournier but tell him he is coming off the bench.. Brunson, Rj,Reddish, Barnes, Mitch bench Rose, Quick, Grimes, Taj I’d be happy with this, only change is I would try to send out Grimes or Quickley for Brunson rather than Toppin. If they are trading Randle, Toppin actually will be able to see the court on a regular basis.

they might want Grimes or Quick instead, in that case i send out Quick

Is not even close to equal value. Come on. Brunsons value is skyrocketing by the game. Obi plays like 14 minutes off the bench.

If Dallas were smart. They’d be talking to Indiana (another team who needs to trade) and try to work and get Sabonis. Another team would have to get involved. But Dallas needs talent around Luka and trading Brunson needs to land more than an Obi Toppin.

In comment 15563748 GNewGiants said:

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Is not even close to equal value. Come on. Brunsons value is skyrocketing by the game. Obi plays like 14 minutes off the bench. If Dallas were smart. They’d be talking to Indiana (another team who needs to trade) and try to work and get Sabonis. Another team would have to get involved. But Dallas needs talent around Luka and trading Brunson needs to land more than an Obi Toppin.

Brunson is a free agent they have no leverage, and the mavs have zero draft picks to move..

They dont have anything to get Sabonis..

Obi doesnt equal Brunson obviously but they dont have a choice if they arent resigning him

Our issue is offense. We suck on offense. Too many 3's. Too many missed FT's. It's pathetic. It's like the Giants offense.

Dallas isn’t trading away one of their top players while in the midst of a playoff run and pissing off Luka for a bench player. IMO, their better off risking holding onto to him and trading a hardaway or a mixture of Powell, bullock, kleber in the off season.

Remmeber - Dallas has a megastar. Megastars aren’t happy when you trade away one of the better players for scraps. Luka would never sign off on that deal.

for simmons, made it sound like a deal would get done before the deadline..

Also said it would most likely be multiple teams

#1 we need a shakeup.
#2 if it’s only Barnes Bagley, Heild and Picks we could beat that if we have to (not sure I want to)
#3 back to #1. I’m moving someone soon just based on effort. Getting pissed off.

In comment 15563859 Carl in CT said:

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#1 we need a shakeup. #2 if it’s only Barnes Bagley, Heild and Picks we could beat that if we have to (not sure I want to) #3 back to #1. I’m moving someone soon just based on effort. Getting pissed off.

agreed on 1 and 3, team needs to go younger and get more athletic..

as for 2 i think with the Kings they are willing to take on Harris as well thats why Morey likes their offer

And more athletic. We are slow and easy to guard. I mean we made 3 mediocre to lousy team D's look like the bad boy Pistons. They showed that all you have to do is run at and swarm us and we cough up the ball and chuck Up 3's like they're going out of style. Nobody is afraid of anyone on this team beating them off the dribble.

but the next 2 weeks is on Rose, there is no way you can stay status quo, you cant just sit back and do nothing.

I am not even talking huge trades, he needs to get rid of some of the vets and randle, randle needs to go..

Easy for me to say but i send him home until the deadline

him standing up there talking to the media when Randle wont shows me a lot about this kid

Knicks indeed do want Brunson but Dallas wants Grimes as part of any deal and that’s holding up any momentum. The Dallas first is a given.

The scout said the deal starts with Grimes and the first but the Knicks would have to include another young player with upside aka, IQ, Obi or Robinson.

In comment 15564104 PhilSimms15 said:

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The scout said the deal starts with Grimes and the first but the Knicks would have to include another young player with upside aka, IQ, Obi or Robinson.

Id hate to do it because i like Grimes but for your PG of the future and probably next 10 years you do it

In comment 15564092 PhilSimms15 said:

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Knicks indeed do want Brunson but Dallas wants Grimes as part of any deal and that’s holding up any momentum. The Dallas first is a given.

I'd give up Grimes.

In comment 15564104 PhilSimms15 said:

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The scout said the deal starts with Grimes and the first but the Knicks would have to include another young player with upside aka, IQ, Obi or Robinson.

If they don't plan on paying up for Mitch in the offseason, I don't think including him with Grimes and a pick is too much. You would really be relying on Noel to stay healthy, but maybe it would also result in Toppin getting more time at the 5.

so now Randle is costing them money

In comment 15564105 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15564104 PhilSimms15 said: Quote: The scout said the deal starts with Grimes and the first but the Knicks would have to include another young player with upside aka, IQ, Obi or Robinson. Id hate to do it because i like Grimes but for your PG of the future and probably next 10 years you do it

Disagree. Grimes is 4 years younger than Brunson. Brunson is already 25. He's not the point guard for the next decade. They can take less or they can watch him leave in FA.

And sign Brunson in the offseason if it comes to that. Fuck Dallas.

In comment 15565603 adamg said:

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And sign Brunson in the offseason if it comes to that. Fuck Dallas.

Exactly. Brunson is a FA after this season. Trading assets for him now is not helping this team win anything this season. He’s a rental. Just wait it out

In comment 15565659 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 15565603 adamg said: Quote: And sign Brunson in the offseason if it comes to that. Fuck Dallas. Exactly. Brunson is a FA after this season. Trading assets for him now is not helping this team win anything this season. He’s a rental. Just wait it out

You are still going to habe to give up assets to get him in the offseason, except in the kffseason you have to match 18 million

In comment 15565664 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15565659 BigBlueShock said: Quote: In comment 15565603 adamg said: Quote: And sign Brunson in the offseason if it comes to that. Fuck Dallas. Exactly. Brunson is a FA after this season. Trading assets for him now is not helping this team win anything this season. He’s a rental. Just wait it out You are still going to habe to give up assets to get him in the offseason, except in the kffseason you have to match 18 million

He's a UFA. We don't NEED to do a sign and trade. It would help, but we can trade away Fournier and sign him with cap space. Can't we?

In comment 15565664 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15565659 BigBlueShock said: Quote: In comment 15565603 adamg said: Quote: And sign Brunson in the offseason if it comes to that. Fuck Dallas. Exactly. Brunson is a FA after this season. Trading assets for him now is not helping this team win anything this season. He’s a rental. Just wait it out You are still going to habe to give up assets to get him in the offseason, except in the kffseason you have to match 18 million

That’s only if they don’t make any moves to shed salary before the deadline. Brunson isn’t the only move they can make.

In comment 15565659 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 15565603 adamg said: Quote: And sign Brunson in the offseason if it comes to that. Fuck Dallas. Exactly. Brunson is a FA after this season. Trading assets for him now is not helping this team win anything this season. He’s a rental. Just wait it out

16 is right in a sense. But we're also right. Ideally, both teams recognize that they both have unique assets that the other benefits from more than any other team.

We get Brunson now, we can go over the cap to sign him.

They can get a good young player in Obi who is a good trade chip, but most importantly they get their first back and can make a bigger move for a star using multiple future firsts.

In comment 15565672 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 15565664 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15565659 BigBlueShock said: Quote: In comment 15565603 adamg said: Quote: And sign Brunson in the offseason if it comes to that. Fuck Dallas. Exactly. Brunson is a FA after this season. Trading assets for him now is not helping this team win anything this season. He’s a rental. Just wait it out You are still going to habe to give up assets to get him in the offseason, except in the kffseason you have to match 18 million That’s only if they don’t make any moves to shed salary before the deadline. Brunson isn’t the only move they can make.

But why would you give up assets to get rid of Fournier to sign Brunson then be at the cap..

When you can trade for him now go over the cap to sign him and have a bunch of exceptions to add more players?

In comment 15564715 nygiants16 said:

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so now Randle is costing them money

Him not facing the media is so weak on his part.

Re. Brunson...there's something to be said to get a dude before he hits FA. It definitely gives us a leg upon on keeping him, provided he likes his time here. On the flip side, you give up assets & there's no guarantee he sticks around.

In comment 15565717 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15565672 BigBlueShock said: Quote: In comment 15565664 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15565659 BigBlueShock said: Quote: In comment 15565603 adamg said: Quote: And sign Brunson in the offseason if it comes to that. Fuck Dallas. Exactly. Brunson is a FA after this season. Trading assets for him now is not helping this team win anything this season. He’s a rental. Just wait it out You are still going to habe to give up assets to get him in the offseason, except in the kffseason you have to match 18 million That’s only if they don’t make any moves to shed salary before the deadline. Brunson isn’t the only move they can make. But why would you give up assets to get rid of Fournier to sign Brunson then be at the cap.. When you can trade for him now go over the cap to sign him and have a bunch of exceptions to add more players?

Because Grimes fits this team like a glove. He and RJ are the same age. We don't need to capitulate to DAL just because they want Grimes. Fuck them.

In comment 15565738 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Re. Brunson...there's something to be said to get a dude before he hits FA. It definitely gives us a leg upon on keeping him, provided he likes his time here. On the flip side, you give up assets & there's no guarantee he sticks around.

Leon Rose's brother is his agent he isnt going anywhere if the Knicks get him

Randle & Fournier contracts are a complete albatross as of this moment. I'm done with Randle.

Let Grimes see the court more.

I am all over the map on RJ. He is so damn inconsistent.

Thibs' stubbornness is infuriating as hell.

but in my opinion a Point is more important than a 3 and d wing..

in my mind Brunson, Rj, Reddish and Mitch would be the future starters and need a stretch 4 to join them

In comment 15565753 nygiants16 said:

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but in my opinion a Point is more important than a 3 and d wing.. in my mind Brunson, Rj, Reddish and Mitch would be the future starters and need a stretch 4 to join them

Reddish is a lotto ticket compared to Grimes

I'm penciling Grimes at the 2, RJ at the 3. Reddish is a question mark right now.

Trading a 10 year asset like Grimes is absurd for an expiring contract of a guy who is not an all-star.

DAL has no leverage. We're not a contender either way.

Is taking two steps back to take one forward

In comment 15565760 adamg said:

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In comment 15565753 nygiants16 said: Quote: but in my opinion a Point is more important than a 3 and d wing.. in my mind Brunson, Rj, Reddish and Mitch would be the future starters and need a stretch 4 to join them Reddish is a lotto ticket compared to Grimes I'm penciling Grimes at the 2, RJ at the 3. Reddish is a question mark right now. Trading a 10 year asset like Grimes is absurd for an expiring contract of a guy who is not an all-star. DAL has no leverage. We're not a contender either way.

I am very bullish on Reddish, loved him coming out of that draft..

I didn't know that about Brunson's agent. Good info.

In comment 15565762 adamg said:

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Is taking two steps back to take one forward

I think your underrating Brunson a little bit

I'd give up cap space to keep Grimes for the future of this team. Grimes is 21. Much more valuable to have that kind of assert for the next ten years than Fournier and cap exceptions imo. Obviously you disagree.

In comment 15565767 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15565762 adamg said: Quote: Is taking two steps back to take one forward I think your underrating Brunson a little bit

We're getting Brunson either way

In comment 15565771 adamg said:

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I'd give up cap space to keep Grimes for the future of this team. Grimes is 21. Much more valuable to have that kind of assert for the next ten years than Fournier and cap exceptions imo. Obviously you disagree.

I like Grimes have said he is a great fit on any team, i just like Reddish a little more but would love to have Brunson, Grimes and Reddish on Knicks but if i have to i would give grimes to get Brunson..

I am not shitting on Grimes at all

I like Grimes, nice player but the knicks have not had a decent PG since Marbury. And Brunson’s upside is tremendous — knows how to run a team, good shooter and a real worker on D.

Grimes is a 2 or a 3 like RJ, Fournier, IQ, Cam, and Burks

At PG they have two aging and injury prone players.

And to those saying just wait until Brunson is a UFA to sign him but would be really difficult with Bird rights.

but you have to remember to if reports are true Grimes was in the Reddish deal and they were getting close to a deal and then last minute was taken out..

I think they view Grimes as a good player who can be here for a long time but are willing to put him in trade scenarios if it makes the team better

Thibs said see where he is tomorrow but said he has a rotation so be patient..

Yes not like the bench could use some help, god forbid give the 22 year old minutes over Burks who has been awful

Hes a natural shooter. I really like his skillset.

Hes exactly the type of player the knicks will desperately seek when they become contenders: cheap and cost controlled shooting and defense.

Noel and Kemba are questionable

You're obfuscating and shifting the goalposts constantly.


Would you rather have Grimes and Brunson with Fournier or the cap options.

Or would you rather have Brunson and Fournier and give up Grimes.

In comment 15567318 adamg said:

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You're obfuscating and shifting the goalposts constantly. Would you rather have Grimes and Brunson withOUT Fournier or the cap options. Or would you rather have Brunson and Fournier and give up Grimes.

In comment 15567318 adamg said:

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You're obfuscating and shifting the goalposts constantly. Would you rather have Grimes and Brunson with Fournier or the cap options. Or would you rather have Brunson and Fournier and give up Grimes.

Id rather get Brunson now, sign him over the cap and have the cap options..

i want to keep Grimes as much as we can, but if it comes down to it i am trading him for Brunson to get deal done now