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adamg : 1/20/2022 8:19 am
LFGK!!
Davonta graham questionable  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 8:20 am : link
Noel and Reddish still out according to yesterdays injury report
Reddish might be available  
adamg : 1/20/2022 8:21 am : link
ESPN doesn't list him on injury report. Just Noel and Arcidiacono.
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JohninSC : 1/20/2022 8:23 am : link
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Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
The Sacramento Kings organization has a current mindset: They are not moving star guard De’Aaron Fox and want to center team around Fox and second-year guard Tyrese Haliburton, sources say.
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adamg : 1/20/2022 8:24 am : link
In comment 15561776 JohninSC said:
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Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
The Sacramento Kings organization has a current mindset: They are not moving star guard De’Aaron Fox and want to center team around Fox and second-year guard Tyrese Haliburton, sources say.



Yeah. This was posted yesterday. Seems like Brunson is out #1 option rn.
RE: Reddish might be available  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 8:25 am : link
In comment 15561772 adamg said:
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ESPN doesn't list him on injury report. Just Noel and Arcidiacono.


i saw yesterday someone tweeted still out, he looked good in a video warming up the other day
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nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 8:28 am : link
In comment 15561776 JohninSC said:
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Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
The Sacramento Kings organization has a current mindset: They are not moving star guard De’Aaron Fox and want to center team around Fox and second-year guard Tyrese Haliburton, sources say.



basically nobody has met their asking price and teams need to up their offers
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JohninSC : 1/20/2022 8:37 am : link
In comment 15561791 nygiants16 said:
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basically nobody has met their asking price and teams need to up their offers


Probably because he isn't worth their asking price.
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nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 8:39 am : link
In comment 15561796 JohninSC said:
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basically nobody has met their asking price and teams need to up their offers



Probably because he isn't worth their asking price.


no and i like Fox and he is the type of PG Thibs likes, but i am not giving up 3 young players and 3 1sts
I'm good on Fox  
JohninSC : 1/20/2022 8:45 am : link
with that contract. That is an albatross and he doesn't even shoot well. Hard pass.
I want to see RJ have a bounce back game tonight  
adamg : 1/20/2022 8:54 am : link
Too many TOs and too inefficient the past couple games. Like to see another 30 point monster game from him.
Westbrook benched.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/20/2022 8:55 am : link
Love it.
RE: Westbrook benched.  
adamg : 1/20/2022 10:11 am : link
In comment 15561822 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Love it.


I like Westbrook. Why don't you like him?
Lonzo out with small meniscus tear  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 10:13 am : link
evaluating treatment options
RE: RE: Westbrook benched.  
NYG22 : 1/20/2022 10:44 am : link
In comment 15561975 adamg said:
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Love it.



I like Westbrook. Why don't you like him?


Extremely tough player to evaluate. Plus (but diminishing) athleticism. Unprecedented work rate. Counting stats that are elite. But efficiency is as bad as it gets, he's extremely difficult to play with and instincts on both ends are team killers.
McBride  
JohninSC : 1/20/2022 11:29 am : link
drops 16 assists last night in Westchester win.
RE: McBride  
Del Shofner : 1/20/2022 12:11 pm : link
In comment 15562204 JohninSC said:
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drops 16 assists last night in Westchester win.


I wish he'd get a chance with the big team so long as Rose is out and Kemba is limited. Burks and IQ are decent rotation players but not point guards.
RE: RE: Westbrook benched.  
GNewGiants : 1/20/2022 12:18 pm : link
In comment 15561975 adamg said:
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Love it.



I like Westbrook. Why don't you like him?


He values stats over winning and plus he’s a baby.
McBride is an example of  
Dave on the UWS : 1/20/2022 1:13 pm : link
why they have to start thinking about moving on from Thibs. He’s playing the starters too many minted again, not developing the young players enough ( in fact stunting the growth of a young guy like Toppin), all to squeeze out a few more wins in the regular season and then getting slapped down in the playoffs
RE: McBride is an example of  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 1:23 pm : link
In comment 15562455 Dave on the UWS said:
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why they have to start thinking about moving on from Thibs. He’s playing the starters too many minted again, not developing the young players enough ( in fact stunting the growth of a young guy like Toppin), all to squeeze out a few more wins in the regular season and then getting slapped down in the playoffs


Mcbride is doing it in the G league, its great he is doing it but he isnt going to play anywhere near that in the NBA..

2md this idea Thibs doesnt play young guys is laughable, Rj plays the 2md most minutes on the team, Mitch plays 30, Quick plays over 20 and finishes a lot of games, Grimes has been around 18-20 consistently..

Not playing a ton of minutes doesnt stunt a players growth, there is no proof that more minutes is a key to development, Knox played 30 his rookie year and didnt develop into anything..

Until Toppin improves his 3 point and his defense he is not going to play more minutes, it doesnt matter who the coach is..
Fizdale might play him!  
adamg : 1/20/2022 1:25 pm : link
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Until Toppin improves his 3 point and his defense he is not going to play more minutes, it doesnt matter who the coach is..
I am guilty of this to  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 1:25 pm : link
but we do not know more than Thibs, if Thibs thought a guy deserved minutes he would find monutes for them, Fact is right now Toppin doesnt deserve a ton more minutes, would i like him at 15-18 sure i would but aint happening right now..
RE: Fizdale might play him!  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 1:26 pm : link
In comment 15562477 adamg said:
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Until Toppin improves his 3 point and his defense he is not going to play more minutes, it doesnt matter who the coach is..



fizdale would play him for 5 games and then change is rotation and pretty aure fiz played 12 guys 1 game in the first quarter
RE: McBride is an example of  
robbieballs2003 : 1/20/2022 1:31 pm : link
In comment 15562455 Dave on the UWS said:
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why they have to start thinking about moving on from Thibs. He’s playing the starters too many minted again, not developing the young players enough ( in fact stunting the growth of a young guy like Toppin), all to squeeze out a few more wins in the regular season and then getting slapped down in the playoffs


Agreed. He should be getting minutes with the Knicks. He's a good defender too. What's the downside of letting him learn on the job?
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nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 1:34 pm : link
In comment 15562488 robbieballs2003 said:
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why they have to start thinking about moving on from Thibs. He’s playing the starters too many minted again, not developing the young players enough ( in fact stunting the growth of a young guy like Toppin), all to squeeze out a few more wins in the regular season and then getting slapped down in the playoffs



Agreed. He should be getting minutes with the Knicks. He's a good defender too. What's the downside of letting him learn on the job?


and who you taking out?
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Enzo : 1/20/2022 1:36 pm : link
In comment 15562491 nygiants16 said:
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why they have to start thinking about moving on from Thibs. He’s playing the starters too many minted again, not developing the young players enough ( in fact stunting the growth of a young guy like Toppin), all to squeeze out a few more wins in the regular season and then getting slapped down in the playoffs



Agreed. He should be getting minutes with the Knicks. He's a good defender too. What's the downside of letting him learn on the job?



and who you taking out?

whoever is not playing well on a given night. We have no shortage of those guys....lol.
RE: RE: RE: RE: McBride is an example of  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 1:40 pm : link
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why they have to start thinking about moving on from Thibs. He’s playing the starters too many minted again, not developing the young players enough ( in fact stunting the growth of a young guy like Toppin), all to squeeze out a few more wins in the regular season and then getting slapped down in the playoffs



Agreed. He should be getting minutes with the Knicks. He's a good defender too. What's the downside of letting him learn on the job?



and who you taking out?


whoever is not playing well on a given night. We have no shortage of those guys....lol.


hahaha true
I like Mcbride  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 1:41 pm : link
and i think he has a bright future here and maybe if he doesnt get covid he is starting right now and Kemba doesnt get back into the rotation, who knows..

But as it stands he is blocked, maybe after the deadline minutes open up for him
It'd be fun if Thibs expanded the rotation  
adamg : 1/20/2022 1:42 pm : link
And played the hot hand. Just not his style I guess.
Just  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2022 1:44 pm : link
picked up Chris Herring's new Knicks book. So far it seems like a must read for Knicks fans.
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Stu11 : 1/20/2022 1:55 pm : link
In comment 15562474 nygiants16 said:
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why they have to start thinking about moving on from Thibs. He’s playing the starters too many minted again, not developing the young players enough ( in fact stunting the growth of a young guy like Toppin), all to squeeze out a few more wins in the regular season and then getting slapped down in the playoffs



Mcbride is doing it in the G league, its great he is doing it but he isnt going to play anywhere near that in the NBA..

2md this idea Thibs doesnt play young guys is laughable, Rj plays the 2md most minutes on the team, Mitch plays 30, Quick plays over 20 and finishes a lot of games, Grimes has been around 18-20 consistently..

Not playing a ton of minutes doesnt stunt a players growth, there is no proof that more minutes is a key to development, Knox played 30 his rookie year and didnt develop into anything..

Until Toppin improves his 3 point and his defense he is not going to play more minutes, it doesnt matter who the coach is..

Nygiants Scal is on this all the time on his morning show with Isola on NBA radio. He uses Houston as an example of the danger of tanking with all kids and giving them limitless minutes. He stresses that when you do that you're not teaching young players discipline and the value of earning minutes in the NBA and that's why you see them acting like idiots because there are no consequences.
And what are we teaching our vets that go out and repeat the same  
robbieballs2003 : 1/20/2022 2:07 pm : link
Boneheaded mistakes the last two years. I like Quickley but the fact that he still throws up half court shots is fuckin insane. This isn't a vet or rookie type of thing. Accountability should be applied to all. Nobody is saying give these young kids limitless minutes but learning experiences at the NBA level is better than just wasting a year by only playing in the G League. It's not black and white. There is grey. Every player is different and should be handled accordingly but there are a set of standards that need to apply to all if you want to gain that respect.
RE: RE: RE: McBride is an example of  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 2:08 pm : link
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why they have to start thinking about moving on from Thibs. He’s playing the starters too many minted again, not developing the young players enough ( in fact stunting the growth of a young guy like Toppin), all to squeeze out a few more wins in the regular season and then getting slapped down in the playoffs



Mcbride is doing it in the G league, its great he is doing it but he isnt going to play anywhere near that in the NBA..

2md this idea Thibs doesnt play young guys is laughable, Rj plays the 2md most minutes on the team, Mitch plays 30, Quick plays over 20 and finishes a lot of games, Grimes has been around 18-20 consistently..

Not playing a ton of minutes doesnt stunt a players growth, there is no proof that more minutes is a key to development, Knox played 30 his rookie year and didnt develop into anything..

Until Toppin improves his 3 point and his defense he is not going to play more minutes, it doesnt matter who the coach is..


Nygiants Scal is on this all the time on his morning show with Isola on NBA radio. He uses Houston as an example of the danger of tanking with all kids and giving them limitless minutes. He stresses that when you do that you're not teaching young players discipline and the value of earning minutes in the NBA and that's why you see them acting like idiots because there are no consequences.


Yup you dont just give a rookie limitless minutes on a team with a bunch of young players because then all you get is a bunch of young players learning on the fly, taking bad shots and not learning how to play as a team...and you get a bunch of players who just learn how to lose..

Not every young player has star potential, so they have to learn their role and what they are going to do to help a team, you dont learn that on a crappy team playing a ton of minutes..

Sometimes a player learns that somehwere else, aometimes a team missing something with a player and they become a star somehwere else but that is extremely rare, usually you know right away if a guy has star potential
RE: And what are we teaching our vets that go out and repeat the same  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15562571 robbieballs2003 said:
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Boneheaded mistakes the last two years. I like Quickley but the fact that he still throws up half court shots is fuckin insane. This isn't a vet or rookie type of thing. Accountability should be applied to all. Nobody is saying give these young kids limitless minutes but learning experiences at the NBA level is better than just wasting a year by only playing in the G League. It's not black and white. There is grey. Every player is different and should be handled accordingly but there are a set of standards that need to apply to all if you want to gain that respect.


vets are always going to have a longer leash, it doesnt matter who the coach is, a vet will have a longer leash..

It is easy for me or you to say hey play this guy more and bench this guy, easy for us to say get rid of this guy or that guy..

We arent in a locker room, Coaches have egos to deal with and the cohrsion and trust of a locker room. You cant just go in and say ok everyone is on the same set of rules..not how it works..

Quickley has gotten more leash this year because he is passing more and he has been playing better defense, plain and simple
RE: McBride is an example of  
ajr2456 : 1/20/2022 2:14 pm : link
In comment 15562455 Dave on the UWS said:
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why they have to start thinking about moving on from Thibs. He’s playing the starters too many minted again, not developing the young players enough ( in fact stunting the growth of a young guy like Toppin), all to squeeze out a few more wins in the regular season and then getting slapped down in the playoffs


Their plan all along is for Thibs to only be here 3 years max
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adamg : 1/20/2022 2:15 pm : link
In comment 15562586 ajr2456 said:
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why they have to start thinking about moving on from Thibs. He’s playing the starters too many minted again, not developing the young players enough ( in fact stunting the growth of a young guy like Toppin), all to squeeze out a few more wins in the regular season and then getting slapped down in the playoffs



Their plan all along is for Thibs to only be here 3 years max


Any idea who the next coach will be? A guy on the staff?
RE: RE: And what are we teaching our vets that go out and repeat the same  
robbieballs2003 : 1/20/2022 2:16 pm : link
In comment 15562581 nygiants16 said:
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Boneheaded mistakes the last two years. I like Quickley but the fact that he still throws up half court shots is fuckin insane. This isn't a vet or rookie type of thing. Accountability should be applied to all. Nobody is saying give these young kids limitless minutes but learning experiences at the NBA level is better than just wasting a year by only playing in the G League. It's not black and white. There is grey. Every player is different and should be handled accordingly but there are a set of standards that need to apply to all if you want to gain that respect.



vets are always going to have a longer leash, it doesnt matter who the coach is, a vet will have a longer leash..

It is easy for me or you to say hey play this guy more and bench this guy, easy for us to say get rid of this guy or that guy..

We arent in a locker room, Coaches have egos to deal with and the cohrsion and trust of a locker room. You cant just go in and say ok everyone is on the same set of rules..not how it works..

Quickley has gotten more leash this year because he is passing more and he has been playing better defense, plain and simple


I'm not addressing you. You don't have to respond to every post. We know how you feel and what you will say in every response.
I  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2022 2:16 pm : link
was completely unaware that the 81-82 Knicks were investigated (and the FBI concluded) that 3 players were throwing games to help their cocaine dealer win bets? wow lol.
RE: I  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 2:17 pm : link
In comment 15562594 DanMetroMan said:
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was completely unaware that the 81-82 Knicks were investigated (and the FBI concluded) that 3 players were throwing games to help their cocaine dealer win bets? wow lol.


i got the book sitting in my amazon cart, have to order it
RE: RE: RE: And what are we teaching our vets that go out and repeat the same  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 2:19 pm : link
In comment 15562593 robbieballs2003 said:
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Boneheaded mistakes the last two years. I like Quickley but the fact that he still throws up half court shots is fuckin insane. This isn't a vet or rookie type of thing. Accountability should be applied to all. Nobody is saying give these young kids limitless minutes but learning experiences at the NBA level is better than just wasting a year by only playing in the G League. It's not black and white. There is grey. Every player is different and should be handled accordingly but there are a set of standards that need to apply to all if you want to gain that respect.



vets are always going to have a longer leash, it doesnt matter who the coach is, a vet will have a longer leash..

It is easy for me or you to say hey play this guy more and bench this guy, easy for us to say get rid of this guy or that guy..

We arent in a locker room, Coaches have egos to deal with and the cohrsion and trust of a locker room. You cant just go in and say ok everyone is on the same set of rules..not how it works..

Quickley has gotten more leash this year because he is passing more and he has been playing better defense, plain and simple



I'm not addressing you. You don't have to respond to every post. We know how you feel and what you will say in every response.


what the hell are you so mad about?
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DanMetroMan : 1/20/2022 2:23 pm : link
In comment 15562596 nygiants16 said:
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was completely unaware that the 81-82 Knicks were investigated (and the FBI concluded) that 3 players were throwing games to help their cocaine dealer win bets? wow lol.



i got the book sitting in my amazon cart, have to order it


So far so good, a lot of interesting factoids
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Enzo : 1/20/2022 2:26 pm : link
In comment 15562594 DanMetroMan said:
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was completely unaware that the 81-82 Knicks were investigated (and the FBI concluded) that 3 players were throwing games to help their cocaine dealer win bets? wow lol.

this was in the news a while back. And yeah it's a crazy story. I don't know why it wasn't a bigger story when reports of it came out after the fact - and I wonder why the FBI never went after the players.
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DanMetroMan : 1/20/2022 2:35 pm : link
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was completely unaware that the 81-82 Knicks were investigated (and the FBI concluded) that 3 players were throwing games to help their cocaine dealer win bets? wow lol.


this was in the news a while back. And yeah it's a crazy story. I don't know why it wasn't a bigger story when reports of it came out after the fact - and I wonder why the FBI never went after the players.


It was implied they didn't have the physical evidence or cooperation of witnesses. Butch Beard said he would get calls from random people saying his players were uptown buying/doing coke. The guy connected to this scandal apparently was winning very big late in the season on Knicks games.

Unrelated but Bianchi had a multiyear contract extension offered but he waited to sign it because he didn't want his soon to be ex-wife to get half... ended up with a 1 year extension instead, and then replaced.

- Checketts was such a good dude that he felt bad replacing MacLeod that he personally called around trying to find him another HC job (Notre Dame).

-Xavier McDaniel would get completely naked "arouse" himself in the lockerroom and then use his organ as a towel rack...
.  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2022 2:37 pm : link
Jonathan Givony
@DraftExpress
Shaedon Sharpe, formerly ESPN’s No. 1 prospect in the 2022 high school class, is eligible to enter the 2022 NBA draft, a source told ESPN. Sharpe, enrolled at Kentucky, is considered a potential top-five pick this upcoming June. Story:
Oh  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2022 2:54 pm : link
this is wild too... Ewing had a clause in his contract that he could hit FA early if he wasn't a top 4 paid player (at the time it was Hot Rod Williams... yes Hot Rod Williams, Jordan, Hakeem and Ewing). Falk approached the Warriors about a scheme in which they would renegotiate Mullin's deal (Falk wasn't his agent) to move money so it would be paid earlier. This would have allowed Ewing to hit FA and sign with another team (presumably the Warriors). Mullin's agent alerted the Knicks (he was also Oakley's agent).
Pat  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2022 3:11 pm : link
Riley's brother played for the Giants? I had no idea.
Author interviewed on KFS  
adamg : 1/20/2022 3:13 pm : link
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Chris Herring Interview - ( New Window )
Rick Carlisle is death on young players  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/20/2022 3:19 pm : link
Especially point guards. He's notoriously tough on them. It's nothing new.

Herring is just ok  
Enzo : 1/20/2022 3:43 pm : link
when it comes to NBA analysts IMO, but I'll probably end up reading his book just because it covers such an interesting era for the team (and I was watching every minute of every game back then). Although it will probably end up being pretty depressing given all the painful ends to seasons.
All star voting  
BigBlueFootball44 : 1/20/2022 3:56 pm : link
Just saw the latest voting numbers. I know the fans are dumb, etc. (Klay, Kyrie, Melo, Aldridge (???) being listed) but this does speak to the fact that Knicks fans are not coming out for Randle.

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ajr2456 : 1/20/2022 4:08 pm : link
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why they have to start thinking about moving on from Thibs. He’s playing the starters too many minted again, not developing the young players enough ( in fact stunting the growth of a young guy like Toppin), all to squeeze out a few more wins in the regular season and then getting slapped down in the playoffs



Their plan all along is for Thibs to only be here 3 years max



Any idea who the next coach will be? A guy on the staff?


If it comes in house it would be Bryant, imo. I do know all their top targets are currently employed, but don’t have specific names
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bluefin : 1/20/2022 5:27 pm : link
In comment 15562594 DanMetroMan said:
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was completely unaware that the 81-82 Knicks were investigated (and the FBI concluded) that 3 players were throwing games to help their cocaine dealer win bets? wow lol.

I guess the beats used the same dealers.
Apparently  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2022 5:43 pm : link
Stanley Roberts cost the Knicks Xavier McDaniel. McDaniel could only be signed using his bird rights if he were the final piece, the Knicks had a 3 way deal in place for Charles Smith but Roberts refused to go to the Clippers (for weeks) finally Donald Sterling of all people wined and dined Roberts and convinced him to go to LAC. In the interim McDaniel grew furious while waiting and Ewing famously "convinced" him to leave.
thibs says  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 5:49 pm : link
Reddish is close, any day now he should be good to go
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/20/2022 6:52 pm : link
I ordered Herring's book. I'm looking forward to reading it. I heard him on JJ's pod yesterday; the '92-'93 Knicks-IMO-were better than the team that lost to Houston in the '94 Finals. Game 3 still pisses me off...we're up 2-0 & MJ couldn't buy a shot & yet the Bulls ended up smoking us, something like 103-81. I remember Ewing opening up the game with a monster dunk too, Haha.
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nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 6:59 pm : link
In comment 15563064 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I ordered Herring's book. I'm looking forward to reading it. I heard him on JJ's pod yesterday; the '92-'93 Knicks-IMO-were better than the team that lost to Houston in the '94 Finals. Game 3 still pisses me off...we're up 2-0 & MJ couldn't buy a shot & yet the Bulls ended up smoking us, something like 103-81. I remember Ewing opening up the game with a monster dunk too, Haha.


i still think that 97 team was their best team with LJ, Oakley, Ewing, Starks, Houston
nygiants16.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/20/2022 7:02 pm : link
That '96-'97 team was damn good. Gun to head...I don't know if they beat that Bulls team in the ECF, but they would have given them a much better series than Miami did.
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nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 7:03 pm : link
In comment 15563089 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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That '96-'97 team was damn good. Gun to head...I don't know if they beat that Bulls team in the ECF, but they would have given them a much better series than Miami did.


yup up 3-1 on Miami and rolling
nygiants16.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/20/2022 7:07 pm : link
I can't tell you how much I hated PJ Brown in the spring of '97.
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adamg : 1/20/2022 7:11 pm : link
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why they have to start thinking about moving on from Thibs. He’s playing the starters too many minted again, not developing the young players enough ( in fact stunting the growth of a young guy like Toppin), all to squeeze out a few more wins in the regular season and then getting slapped down in the playoffs



Their plan all along is for Thibs to only be here 3 years max



Any idea who the next coach will be? A guy on the staff?



If it comes in house it would be Bryant, imo. I do know all their top targets are currently employed, but don’t have specific names


Thanks.
LFGK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
adamg : 1/20/2022 7:39 pm : link
Let's go!
This court  
Mike from SI : 1/20/2022 7:43 pm : link
is not my favorite look, although I guess for a change-up it could be worse.
What is Randle shooting from 3P land?  
Anakim : 1/20/2022 7:45 pm : link
Gotta be like 20%. He's been atrocious lately.
RE: This court  
Anakim : 1/20/2022 7:45 pm : link
In comment 15563167 Mike from SI said:
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is not my favorite look, although I guess for a change-up it could be worse.


It's better suited for Halloween
Good D so far  
Mike from SI : 1/20/2022 7:46 pm : link
but Randle looks pretty bad out there.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/20/2022 7:48 pm : link
Keep Obi. Trade Randle.
Get rid of this POS already  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 7:50 pm : link
You have a 6 foot 5 player on you and you settle for a fadeaway jumper..

and why the hell do you have to be involved in every action? gtfo the way
RE: ...  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 7:51 pm : link
In comment 15563182 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Keep Obi. Trade Randle.


i dont think Obi is the answer but i am all for trading randle
When Randle is bad, he's really bad  
adamg : 1/20/2022 7:53 pm : link
And he brings everyone down with him.
35 minutes to split up between Cam, Obi, and Deuce  
adamg : 1/20/2022 7:53 pm : link
If they move him...
A point a minute  
adamg : 1/20/2022 7:54 pm : link
good efficiency by the whole team here...
RE: 35 minutes to split up between Cam, Obi, and Deuce  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 7:55 pm : link
In comment 15563200 adamg said:
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If they move him...


it shouldnt be hard to get Obi 20 minutes with Randle but Thibs refuses to go small
RE: RE: 35 minutes to split up between Cam, Obi, and Deuce  
adamg : 1/20/2022 7:56 pm : link
In comment 15563206 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15563200 adamg said:


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If they move him...



it shouldnt be hard to get Obi 20 minutes with Randle but Thibs refuses to go small


Yep. Taj gets 20-25 instead.
Love when Clyde  
bceagle05 : 1/20/2022 7:59 pm : link
breaks out the word “ lilliputian.”
So glad Taj is in to protect the rim  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 8:01 pm : link
Love Taj but man its doing this team a disservice by playing him so much
Fournier and Burks should be shot for allowing that  
adamg : 1/20/2022 8:01 pm : link
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RE: So glad Taj is in to protect the rim  
adamg : 1/20/2022 8:02 pm : link
In comment 15563215 nygiants16 said:
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Love Taj but man its doing this team a disservice by playing him so much


Taj should play when Obi doesn't have it.
Letting another scrub school them  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 8:02 pm : link
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I hate Randle  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 8:03 pm : link
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RE: RE: So glad Taj is in to protect the rim  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 8:04 pm : link
In comment 15563220 adamg said:
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In comment 15563215 nygiants16 said:


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Love Taj but man its doing this team a disservice by playing him so much



Taj should play when Obi doesn't have it.


Taj can still play but he shouldnt be the first big over Toppin
17 points, assuming that shot was late.  
bceagle05 : 1/20/2022 8:04 pm : link
Not what ya want.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/20/2022 8:05 pm : link
Pathetic first quarter against a terrible team.
We're playing a horrible team  
adamg : 1/20/2022 8:05 pm : link
And we're in shambles.

I regret  
Mike from SI : 1/20/2022 8:05 pm : link
both my compliment on the D and the small bet I made on the Knicks' money line.

Totally agree on whoever said they love Clyde using "Lilliputian." Brought a smile to my face.
RE: 17 points, assuming that shot was late.  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 8:05 pm : link
In comment 15563226 bceagle05 said:
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Not what ya want.


lol down 10 at home that is 16-28
No basket  
adamg : 1/20/2022 8:06 pm : link
Don't know why IQ waited so long to shoot.
The NBA product  
GNewGiants : 1/20/2022 8:07 pm : link
Right now is terrible. Lack of hustle, low IQ, and poor shooting has made a lot of games unwatchable.

It’s not good right now. The 3 ball has really made team basketball non existent.
Keep chucking 3s  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 8:08 pm : link
that will work
Burks is terrible on inbounds passes.  
bceagle05 : 1/20/2022 8:09 pm : link
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RE: No basket  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 8:09 pm : link
In comment 15563233 adamg said:
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Don't know why IQ waited so long to shoot.


because he didnt want to hurt his already terrible average
I'm ready to move on for Thibs in season  
Mike from SI : 1/20/2022 8:09 pm : link
if this shit keeps up. This team still has a chance to make the playoffs. I will always appreciate him for last year, but now he's holding the young guys back AND not getting anything to show for it.
RE: I'm ready to move on for Thibs in season  
adamg : 1/20/2022 8:11 pm : link
In comment 15563242 Mike from SI said:
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if this shit keeps up. This team still has a chance to make the playoffs. I will always appreciate him for last year, but now he's holding the young guys back AND not getting anything to show for it.


Rose and Noel out. I think the FO gives him some more rope.
Jose Alvarado is torching us.  
bceagle05 : 1/20/2022 8:11 pm : link
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RE: I'm ready to move on for Thibs in season  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 8:11 pm : link
In comment 15563242 Mike from SI said:
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if this shit keeps up. This team still has a chance to make the playoffs. I will always appreciate him for last year, but now he's holding the young guys back AND not getting anything to show for it.


My biggest gripe is how he doesnt see the team plays better going small, i dont care if toppin misses a rotation, Randle misses one veery other possession
yay 5 minutes for toppin  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 8:15 pm : link
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JR does have 5 assists to 1 TO  
adamg : 1/20/2022 8:17 pm : link
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RE: JR does have 5 assists to 1 TO  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 8:19 pm : link
In comment 15563265 adamg said:
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its his shot selection
Mitch having a good game so far  
adamg : 1/20/2022 8:20 pm : link
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IQ big play  
adamg : 1/20/2022 8:22 pm : link
RJ finishes
Mitch is good  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/20/2022 8:22 pm : link
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Feed RJ  
adamg : 1/20/2022 8:26 pm : link
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fucking christ with the free throws  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 8:32 pm : link
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Alvarado with the dopey foul  
adamg : 1/20/2022 8:33 pm : link
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Although with our FT shooting....  
adamg : 1/20/2022 8:33 pm : link
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f off ref  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 8:34 pm : link
you make a horrible call so then you t up Kemba? what a joke, sensitive ass ref
Knicks cause their own problems but  
Del Shofner : 1/20/2022 8:34 pm : link
the refs blow - double standard.
I really, really dislike Julius Randle  
Anakim : 1/20/2022 8:35 pm : link
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Randle got hacked  
adamg : 1/20/2022 8:35 pm : link
wow
2 Knicks get slapped in the face  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 8:35 pm : link
no call
Randle has been such a miserable prick all season.  
bceagle05 : 1/20/2022 8:35 pm : link
Lighten up, dude.
But yes, he got hacked.  
bceagle05 : 1/20/2022 8:36 pm : link
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Did Randle get T'd up again at the end of the half?  
Stu11 : 1/20/2022 8:36 pm : link
I think he's gone.
RE: Did Randle get T'd up again at the end of the half?  
adamg : 1/20/2022 8:36 pm : link
In comment 15563304 Stu11 said:
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I think he's gone.


Kemba was the other T. But yes he did.
Randle...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/20/2022 8:37 pm : link
What a disaster.
RE: RE: Did Randle get T'd up again at the end of the half?  
Stu11 : 1/20/2022 8:37 pm : link
In comment 15563307 adamg said:
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In comment 15563304 Stu11 said:


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I think he's gone.



Kemba was the other T. But yes he did.

Yep just looked it up that Kemba got the first one. Sorry
We're so much better than this team  
adamg : 1/20/2022 8:38 pm : link
We should be winning by 20
The fact Kemba got t'd up was a joke  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 8:39 pm : link
Randle needs to calm the f down, Refs arent going to give you calls, they told you this, why are you surprised?
Monica McNutt is good  
adamg : 1/20/2022 8:40 pm : link
Saw her on ESPN the other day.
Randle  
jmalls23 : 1/20/2022 8:40 pm : link
master ball stopper. Who told him he can play the point?
I say it when we get fucked  
Stu11 : 1/20/2022 8:41 pm : link
But I thought the block on Randle was pretty clean and in fact he pushed off like an mf'er to get the ball off the lob pass so he has no beef.
RE: Randle  
Del Shofner : 1/20/2022 8:47 pm : link
In comment 15563317 jmalls23 said:
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master ball stopper. Who told him he can play the point?


yeah, well this is my problem with Thibs because obviously Thibs did.

I don't hate Randle, I hate the 'point forward' concept with Randle as the point forward. WTF is so bad about just being a good PF?
holy shit Jokic had a 49/14/10  
adamg : 1/20/2022 8:47 pm : link
game yesterday. lmao
Burks is lowkey having an awful stretch too  
adamg : 1/20/2022 8:51 pm : link
And tonight 1-6 with 2 TO
and just like that back down 10  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 8:54 pm : link
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Let RJ run the offense with Obi in the 4 spot  
adamg : 1/20/2022 8:55 pm : link
please and thanks Thibster
Wizards GM is the GM of the year  
Stu11 : 1/20/2022 8:55 pm : link
Dude dumped Wall's contract, got a solid playoff year out Westbrook, then dumped that awful contract and actually got decent rotation guys back. Unreal
Thibs is the most stubborn  
Chris L. : 1/20/2022 8:57 pm : link
human being i have ever seen. Same lineups. No changes. His guys play all the time. Who cares about the results
Silver lining to the last couple weeks of shit  
adamg : 1/20/2022 8:58 pm : link
Fournier is a player now
how is that not shooting?  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 8:58 pm : link
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Mitch is a player too  
adamg : 1/20/2022 9:00 pm : link
Re-sign that guy
RE: Burks is lowkey having an awful stretch too  
Mike from SI : 1/20/2022 9:01 pm : link
In comment 15563336 adamg said:
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And tonight 1-6 with 2 TO


I totally agree. He's simply not a big minutes player. Great for 15 minutes a night.
hey thibs make a fricken sub you jackass  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:02 pm : link
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Also Kemba is a sieve on defense.  
Mike from SI : 1/20/2022 9:02 pm : link
Why not let McBride get run on nights when Kemba sucks?
Hart just took the ball from Randle.  
Mike from SI : 1/20/2022 9:03 pm : link
What a joke.
Sick of this coach  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:04 pm : link
just stand there and dont do shit, meanwhile his first dub will be Gibson for Mitch..

Getting torched by the fricken Pelicans about to go 0-3 on a home stretch where you lost to the hornets and Twolves then come out flat against a bad team..

Get rid of him
RE: Also Kemba is a sieve on defense.  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:04 pm : link
In comment 15563368 Mike from SI said:
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Why not let McBride get run on nights when Kemba sucks?


Because that goes against Thibs rigid rotations
RE: Hart just took the ball from Randle.  
adamg : 1/20/2022 9:04 pm : link
In comment 15563369 Mike from SI said:
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What a joke.


That was pathetic.

Randle has no balls.
still no subs haha  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:06 pm : link
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When you are  
five5 : 1/20/2022 9:06 pm : link
not a very athletic team and get outworked this is what you get. Team is very tough to watch.
RE: still no subs haha  
adamg : 1/20/2022 9:07 pm : link
In comment 15563377 nygiants16 said:
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Obi at 5 minutes.
I don't include the awful years because I expected nothing  
Stu11 : 1/20/2022 9:07 pm : link
So this week has to be the most infuriating week of Knicks basketball I can remember in like a decade. Come of a great win vs Atlanta and come home to face 3 mediocre at best teams and lay 3 absolute stink bombs. Fucking infuriating.
Lol take out the only guy playing well  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:08 pm : link
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RE: I don't include the awful years because I expected nothing  
adamg : 1/20/2022 9:08 pm : link
In comment 15563381 Stu11 said:
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So this week has to be the most infuriating week of Knicks basketball I can remember in like a decade. Come of a great win vs Atlanta and come home to face 3 mediocre at best teams and lay 3 absolute stink bombs. Fucking infuriating.


It's coaching, not talent.
RE: I don't include the awful years because I expected nothing  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:08 pm : link
In comment 15563381 Stu11 said:
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So this week has to be the most infuriating week of Knicks basketball I can remember in like a decade. Come of a great win vs Atlanta and come home to face 3 mediocre at best teams and lay 3 absolute stink bombs. Fucking infuriating.


yup and were rolling playing well
If your a young player on this team watching this  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:09 pm : link
how can you trust this coach?
and Randle stays on the court  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:10 pm : link
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Randle with the play of the game  
adamg : 1/20/2022 9:11 pm : link
What a great pass. Keep Obi on the bench
just fricken quit Thibs please  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:11 pm : link
do us all a favkr and quit
Gettint blown out by 24  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:12 pm : link
by the fricken pelicans and Thibs sits there and does nothing
This team screams pure point guard  
Earl the goat : 1/20/2022 9:13 pm : link
Not named Walker
Trade for Brunson

Dump Randle and Fournier. And send Thibs packing
Obi chants  
adamg : 1/20/2022 9:13 pm : link
LFG
I love the OBI TOPPIN  
robbieballs2003 : 1/20/2022 9:13 pm : link
chants.
Just when weren't in a shitty enough mood  
Stu11 : 1/20/2022 9:14 pm : link
They go and put a Lance fucking Thomas trivia question up there
57 points against the fricken pelicans  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:16 pm : link
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Randle passing up multiple open looks  
adamg : 1/20/2022 9:16 pm : link
fucking sad
Randle seems  
bluefin : 1/20/2022 9:17 pm : link
to be deliberately not shooting
RE: Randle seems  
adamg : 1/20/2022 9:17 pm : link
In comment 15563406 bluefin said:
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to be deliberately not shooting


Taj is screening giving him an open three at the top of the key every time
Randle is fragile  
adamg : 1/20/2022 9:18 pm : link
weak willed,

broken,

and needs to be traded
Grimes getting the rookie treatment from the refs.  
bceagle05 : 1/20/2022 9:18 pm : link
Ridiculous.
Why Burks for RJ?  
adamg : 1/20/2022 9:18 pm : link
Obi never gets RJ in with him
how is that an offensive foul?  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:19 pm : link
Knicks complained after shooting 19 free throws and now are making it up
RE: RE: Randle seems  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:20 pm : link
In comment 15563407 adamg said:
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In comment 15563406 bluefin said:


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to be deliberately not shooting



Taj is screening giving him an open three at the top of the key every time


last year he takes that shot 99 times out of 100
RE: RE: RE: Randle seems  
adamg : 1/20/2022 9:20 pm : link
In comment 15563414 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15563407 adamg said:


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In comment 15563406 bluefin said:


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to be deliberately not shooting



Taj is screening giving him an open three at the top of the key every time



last year he takes that shot 99 times out of 100


And hits it! Teams are daring him and he has no stones.
RE: RE: Randle seems  
bluefin : 1/20/2022 9:21 pm : link
In comment 15563407 adamg said:
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In comment 15563406 bluefin said:


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to be deliberately not shooting



Taj is screening giving him an open three at the top of the key every time

It’s weird - he’s working hard on loose balls, but won’t shoot
My god Quickley has been terrible recently  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:22 pm : link
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Grimes with 4 fouls in 11 minutes  
adamg : 1/20/2022 9:22 pm : link
Not hope in sight that we'll see Deuce though...
If Leon Rose doesnt make some trades  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:24 pm : link
at the deadline there needs to be some pitchforks out and its not even necassarily to improve the team for this year..

Alleviate some of the vets and chanfe the makeup of this team..

Thiab wont change his rotation, so rose needs to force him to by getting rid of some players..

There is no reason why the lineup in the 4th shouldnt be Mcbride, Grimes, Rj, Toppin and Mitch for the entire 4th
That was the  
bluefin : 1/20/2022 9:25 pm : link
worst quarter in a long time
Can we put someone else in charge of the offense?  
Chris L. : 1/20/2022 9:25 pm : link
I don't know if its Thibs or someone else but we run the same sets over and over. Teams know what we are going to do before we do it. We are so easy to defend and the coaches aren't helping. 57 points after three....are you kidding me?
More than fine trading Burks, Kemba, and Randle  
adamg : 1/20/2022 9:25 pm : link
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yup cold from 3 so keep chucking  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:25 pm : link
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Good D from Toppin there  
adamg : 1/20/2022 9:26 pm : link
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RE: If Leon Rose doesnt make some trades  
Stu11 : 1/20/2022 9:27 pm : link
In comment 15563422 nygiants16 said:
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Thiab wont change his rotation, so rose needs to force him to by getting rid of some players..

Lol yep he's gotta pull the Billy Beene in Moneyball
Burks thinks he's Michael godamn Jordan out there  
Stu11 : 1/20/2022 9:28 pm : link
Brick after brick but he keeps shooting with no conscious
Wonder why IQ's shooting is so bad this year  
adamg : 1/20/2022 9:29 pm : link
FTs are still excellent. Maybe too much energy going to defense taking his mind away from his strengths
I am not a tanker  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:29 pm : link
i dont believe in tanking, but at this point id rather watch the young guys just play with sprinkled in vets
Did Mitchell Robinson  
bluefin : 1/20/2022 9:30 pm : link
get ejected or something?
So do we like Thibs or not tonight?  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/20/2022 9:30 pm : link
About to turn the game on....
RE: Wonder why IQ's shooting is so bad this year  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:31 pm : link
In comment 15563430 adamg said:
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FTs are still excellent. Maybe too much energy going to defense taking his mind away from his strengths


he takes to many bad shots
RE: So do we like Thibs or not tonight?  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:31 pm : link
In comment 15563433 Jim in Hoboken said:
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About to turn the game on....


dont even bother
RE: RE: Wonder why IQ's shooting is so bad this year  
adamg : 1/20/2022 9:32 pm : link
In comment 15563434 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15563430 adamg said:


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FTs are still excellent. Maybe too much energy going to defense taking his mind away from his strengths



he takes to many bad shots


Seems like they're taking him away from what makes him valuable
RE: RE: RE: Wonder why IQ's shooting is so bad this year  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:34 pm : link
In comment 15563436 adamg said:
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In comment 15563434 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


In comment 15563430 adamg said:


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FTs are still excellent. Maybe too much energy going to defense taking his mind away from his strengths



he takes to many bad shots



Seems like they're taking him away from what makes him valuable


He is not a point guard, maybe 1 day, but he is best when he can just go score, Rose was so valuable to hik because when he starts going to fast Rose settles him
like right there just pull it out  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:36 pm : link
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Orange and Midnight Yankee blue  
bluefin : 1/20/2022 9:36 pm : link
would be a nice color scheme
ok enough of quick  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:38 pm : link
bring rj back
why is he punishing RJ for Randle sucking ass?  
adamg : 1/20/2022 9:42 pm : link
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amazing if Thibs jist made a sub earlier  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:42 pm : link
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RE: why is he punishing RJ for Randle sucking ass?  
Mike from SI : 1/20/2022 9:43 pm : link
In comment 15563453 adamg said:
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Makes no sense to me. Other than the fact the bench is playing better.
Burks has been doing alright I guess  
adamg : 1/20/2022 9:44 pm : link
since his early transgressions
RE: why is he punishing RJ for Randle sucking ass?  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:44 pm : link
In comment 15563453 adamg said:
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i would of brought him back for Quick after the 2 turnovers but cant now..

Bring him in for Burks?
Maybe Thibs learns something tonight  
Earl the goat : 1/20/2022 9:44 pm : link
Get rid of his fucking obstinance
RJ is 6 for 13 with 17 points and no TOs.  
Mike from SI : 1/20/2022 9:45 pm : link
Randle is 1 for 8 with 4 points and 3 TOs. And RJ usually plays better defense. But sure, sit them both.
Got to just ride the bench now I guess  
adamg : 1/20/2022 9:45 pm : link
Burks turned around his play. That's who I would have taken out.
And maybe if Thibs had benched the starters  
Chris L. : 1/20/2022 9:45 pm : link
earlier in the game when he should have we might actually have a shot to win this game. Too little too late.
We’re starting to see why Thibs flames out after a couple years  
Mike in NJ : 1/20/2022 9:45 pm : link
Every where he does. One of the more frustrating coaches to watch on a nightly basis, so fucking set in his ways and at times seems like he has no feel for the situation.
So much more entertaining watching the young kids  
robbieballs2003 : 1/20/2022 9:46 pm : link
Actually play basketball.
RE: RJ is 6 for 13 with 17 points and no TOs.  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:46 pm : link
In comment 15563461 Mike from SI said:
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Randle is 1 for 8 with 4 points and 3 TOs. And RJ usually plays better defense. But sure, sit them both.


not arguing but who do you take out to bring Rj back in?
Keep playing D  
bluefin : 1/20/2022 9:47 pm : link
Pelican shooting has cooled off
that right there is just stupid  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:48 pm : link
why are you taking a 30 footer at that point? makes no sense
IQ shooting  
bluefin : 1/20/2022 9:48 pm : link
from Hoboken
That was just selfish by quickley  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:49 pm : link
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Surprised Thibs didn’t bench Obi  
bceagle05 : 1/20/2022 9:53 pm : link
for the last 50 seconds after he missed that three.
It took a blow out to get Toppin 18 minutes  
adamg : 1/20/2022 9:53 pm : link
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This team has the worst shot selection i have ever seen  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:54 pm : link
lead could of easily been down to 10 or less with 6 minutes left and just kept taking horrible shots, bad passes, its just stupid..

but i guess its just follow the leader
Obi +15  
adamg : 1/20/2022 9:54 pm : link
Randle -26
RE: Obi +15  
bluefin : 1/20/2022 9:55 pm : link
In comment 15563484 adamg said:
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Randle -26

wow
I dont think the team is better  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 9:57 pm : link
but i cant watch Randle control the ball at all times on this team anymore, i just cant, passing up wide open shots jist to dribble into 3 guys..

He tries to play off the ball and then gets a wide open look and instead he then dribbles around, like no take the shot..

Its jist amazing a week ago the Knicks were 8-3 in their last 11 playing well and just have completelt shit the bed..its maddening

Thibs is so fricken stubborn
RE: RE: RJ is 6 for 13 with 17 points and no TOs.  
Mike from SI : 1/20/2022 9:59 pm : link
In comment 15563467 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15563461 Mike from SI said:


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Randle is 1 for 8 with 4 points and 3 TOs. And RJ usually plays better defense. But sure, sit them both.



not arguing but who do you take out to bring Rj back in?


You're right. Just felt unfair.
RE: I dont think the team is better  
Mike from SI : 1/20/2022 10:00 pm : link
In comment 15563490 nygiants16 said:
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but i cant watch Randle control the ball at all times on this team anymore, i just cant, passing up wide open shots jist to dribble into 3 guys..

He tries to play off the ball and then gets a wide open look and instead he then dribbles around, like no take the shot..

Its jist amazing a week ago the Knicks were 8-3 in their last 11 playing well and just have completelt shit the bed..its maddening

Thibs is so fricken stubborn


He should bench Julius for a game. There needs to be consequences for this bad play. He had as many technical fouls as made field goals. Start a different lineup for once. Let Randle play 20 off the bench.
Tonight may have been our last chance this year to reach .500.  
bceagle05 : 1/20/2022 10:00 pm : link
Tough stretch of road ahead.
Hope Walt Perrin  
bceagle05 : 1/20/2022 10:01 pm : link
can find a gem in the draft.
Rose needs to trade  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 10:06 pm : link
Kemba- I like him, i think he is getting a raw deal but i want a young point..

Randle needs to go, thank you for last year but you cant handle the pressure and its effecting the entire team, you need to go..

Burks- i like Burks he can be a valuable piece off the bench for a contender and win a game or 2 for someone in the playoffs but right now i want more grimes and reddish when he comes back..

Noel i dont even care if its just for a bag of skittles..

Keep Rose and gibson as mentors to the young players and help them with Thibs..

Keep Fournier for now he has played better as of late..

Go get Brunson to be your point guard of the future, build around him, Reddish, Rj, Mitch, Grimes
..  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 10:10 pm : link
Brunson, Fournier, Rj, Reddish, Mitch starts..

Bench Rose, Mcbride, Grimes, Taj..
I only saw the fourth quarter, thank god.  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/20/2022 10:10 pm : link
It infuriates me that a player like Quickley can do whatever the fuck he wants, like shooting from the halfcourt, without repercussion. Meanwhile Toppin gets nothing called for him, does all the little stuff, and gets pulled immediately when he misses the one shot he takes all game.

Again, not saying he's not next Kemp or Amare, but nobody on this team is being coached up or put in a better position to perform. Everybody just does whatever they have always done.

And it looks more and more Randle is just a different player with fans in the stands. Rose has to pull the plug at some point.
and watch Randle doesnt meet the media  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 10:18 pm : link
fans hated Melo but at least he took the bulletts every single night
2 days off before sunday  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 10:20 pm : link
good time to make a trade
I am happy I missed this game  
larryflower37 : 1/20/2022 10:38 pm : link
Looking at the box score and reading the game thread.
This team is in trouble.
Changes need to be made quickly and I am not opposed to Thibs being held to the fire.
By time Rose gets back it will be too late to make a run.
RE: Monica McNutt is good  
bceagle05 : 1/20/2022 10:45 pm : link
In comment 15563316 adamg said:
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Saw her on ESPN the other day.

Highlight of the Knicks season so far. She’s amazing.
RE: 2 days off before sunday  
adamg : 1/20/2022 10:46 pm : link
In comment 15563530 nygiants16 said:
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good time to make a trade


Kemba and DAL pick for Brunson?
Randle can't be moved until Feb 2nd  
adamg : 1/20/2022 10:47 pm : link
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RE: RE: 2 days off before sunday  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 10:48 pm : link
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good time to make a trade



Kemba and DAL pick for Brunson?


Probably take at least Obi if they trade him
RE: Randle can't be moved until Feb 2nd  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 10:48 pm : link
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and on that day he should be moved
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adamg : 1/20/2022 10:50 pm : link
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good time to make a trade



Kemba and DAL pick for Brunson?



Probably take at least Obi if they trade him


Then you're riding with Cam and Samanic at the 4
RE: RE: RE: RE: 2 days off before sunday  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 10:51 pm : link
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good time to make a trade



Kemba and DAL pick for Brunson?



Probably take at least Obi if they trade him



Then you're riding with Cam and Samanic at the 4


for now deoending on what eose comes back in trades
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: 2 days off before sunday  
adamg : 1/20/2022 10:53 pm : link
In comment 15563563 nygiants16 said:
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for now deoending on what eose comes back in trades


I guess you could shop Randle for another 4.
Randle not available again  
larryflower37 : 1/20/2022 10:53 pm : link
To the press, he is going down a slippery slope.
Randle not meeting the media again  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 10:54 pm : link
so much for being a good leader..

Kemba needs to go back to the bench  
adamg : 1/20/2022 10:55 pm : link
Burks to start at PG. The rhythm of RJ running the offense has been destroyed
RE: Kemba needs to go back to the bench  
larryflower37 : 1/20/2022 10:58 pm : link
In comment 15563570 adamg said:
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Burks to start at PG. The rhythm of RJ running the offense has been destroyed


I don't agree he played well his first game back and needs a minute to get back in the flow.
IMO Randle is becoming a problem and I mean not just his play.
RE: Kemba needs to go back to the bench  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 11:01 pm : link
In comment 15563570 adamg said:
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Burks to start at PG. The rhythm of RJ running the offense has been destroyed


I think its Randle more than Kemba, Kemba hurts the D i dont think he is hurting Rj offensjvely
I am at a loss with this team  
larryflower37 : 1/20/2022 11:08 pm : link
At this point I am not sure how you right the ship to salvage the season.
Outside of a blockbuster trade for a star I am not sure Thibs has a good feel for the right lineup and it's obvious the Knicks are babying Randle.
Randle is playing  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 11:17 pm : link
like he has requested a trade and is waiting it out until it happens..

Wasnt there a story before the seasom that Thibs didnt make him a captain?
RE: Randle is playing  
larryflower37 : 1/20/2022 11:26 pm : link
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like he has requested a trade and is waiting it out until it happens..

Wasnt there a story before the seasom that Thibs didnt make him a captain?


I wish he would at this point he obviously can't handle the pressure of being the #1 option and face of the franchise.
The boos are getting to him and the Knicks letting him off the hook in facing the media is a joke.
Thibs  
five5 : 1/21/2022 12:02 am : link
Sounds more and more like Joe Judge. He was talking after the game about how hard they played and how they need fix this together. Guy gets paid handsomely and has not done a good job this year at all. Instead of throwing his arms up after every call that goes against the Knicks maybe he should start drawing up plays that actually work.
Randle not facing the media  
Mike from SI : 1/21/2022 2:05 am : link
is the action of someone who wants to be traded. (And also I think cowardly, but I've never been in that situation.)

This entire situation is spiraling. This is becoming a little Joe Judge / Giants-esque. All we're asking for is competence and competitiveness. Not getting either.
RE: RE: 2 days off before sunday  
GNewGiants : 1/21/2022 6:37 am : link
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good time to make a trade



Kemba and DAL pick for Brunson?


Kemba is terrible now. Nobody wants him for an asset.

The Knicks are better off tearing it down than trading for someone that will give them a push. Randle is proving to be a 1 year wonder. Barrett is perhaps the 3-4 option on a contending team. Obi may bring back a pick. Fournier is a meh type player.

But there’s nothing the Knicks have that will bring back a number 1 type guy. Tear it down. Accumulate picks. Because there’s not a true mega star that’s coming to NY via trade or FA this or next year.
RE: RE: RE: 2 days off before sunday  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2022 6:47 am : link
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good time to make a trade



Kemba and DAL pick for Brunson?



Kemba is terrible now. Nobody wants him for an asset.

The Knicks are better off tearing it down than trading for someone that will give them a push. Randle is proving to be a 1 year wonder. Barrett is perhaps the 3-4 option on a contending team. Obi may bring back a pick. Fournier is a meh type player.

But there’s nothing the Knicks have that will bring back a number 1 type guy. Tear it down. Accumulate picks. Because there’s not a true mega star that’s coming to NY via trade or FA this or next year.


Knicks have plenty of assets, they have something like 20 picks in the next 4 drafts..

Knicks have the assets to trade for a star, the problem right now is who that star is going to be..
There aren’t many stars  
GNewGiants : 1/21/2022 6:56 am : link
On bad teams. Beal, Towns, Zion are probably the only 3 from bad teams that may want new homes. Zion is a massive question mark. Towns and Beal would cost more than what the Knicks have.

The Knicks problem is their first round pick will never be that appealing for a megastar. That pick needs to be at least top 5, if not top 3. And the Knicks with the roster constructed will be a 7-8 playoff seed or a very low lottery pick. That’s not attractive enough. The Dallas pick is gonna be the high 10s or low 20s. Not attractive enough.

The warriors did plenty of shopping for the 8th and I believe the 14th pick and got no returns. No contending teams are giving the Knicks anything worth while.

I call the Knicks a team in purgatory. Not good enough to win it all. Not bad enough to be a team who can win the lottery. The thing that sucked for them was they were a pick away from Curry years back. A pick away from MoranT three years ago. They have had some bad luck. Waiting on a star to come to NY will just prolong the process.

Time for total reboot.
RE: There aren’t many stars  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2022 7:05 am : link
In comment 15563697 GNewGiants said:
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On bad teams. Beal, Towns, Zion are probably the only 3 from bad teams that may want new homes. Zion is a massive question mark. Towns and Beal would cost more than what the Knicks have.

The Knicks problem is their first round pick will never be that appealing for a megastar. That pick needs to be at least top 5, if not top 3. And the Knicks with the roster constructed will be a 7-8 playoff seed or a very low lottery pick. That’s not attractive enough. The Dallas pick is gonna be the high 10s or low 20s. Not attractive enough.

The warriors did plenty of shopping for the 8th and I believe the 14th pick and got no returns. No contending teams are giving the Knicks anything worth while.

I call the Knicks a team in purgatory. Not good enough to win it all. Not bad enough to be a team who can win the lottery. The thing that sucked for them was they were a pick away from Curry years back. A pick away from MoranT three years ago. They have had some bad luck. Waiting on a star to come to NY will just prolong the process.

Time for total reboot.


Thats not exactly true, the Nets traded picks in the 20s for Harden..

and Knicks are not locked into anything all of their contracts except for fournier and Randle expire after next year..

Knicks are not locked into this roster they have plenty of flexibility..

It looks bad because Randle sucka right now but the Knicks are not stuck or locked in
you also never know when a star will become available  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2022 7:07 am : link
its simply a waiting game right now for the Knicks, and whether the star comes via free agency, trades or draft it doesnt matter..

I do agree knicks need to trade off some of the vets and let some of these young guys take over some of the minutes but tanking does nothing, it doesnt work..
What i would do at the deadline  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2022 7:33 am : link
Obi and a 1st for Brunson

Randle for Barnes and a 1st

offer up Burks around the League take a draft pick back..

Noel is ubtradeable because he is always hurt

Kemba is probably untradeable but i offer him up and then buy him out so he can look to go to a contender..

I keep Fournier but tell him he is coming off the bench..

Brunson, Rj,Reddish, Barnes, Mitch

bench Rose, Quick, Grimes, Taj
Obi and a first wouldn’t even  
GNewGiants : 1/21/2022 7:42 am : link
Come close for Brunson. They are the 5th seed and he is their third best player. Plus with Kleber, porzingis and Powell - where’s Obi’s role? Finney Smith plays a lot on the 4 as well.

Mavs would get a lot more than Toppin at the trade line. They need to add talent for Luka not subtract it.
RE: Obi and a first wouldn’t even  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2022 7:44 am : link
In comment 15563737 GNewGiants said:
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Come close for Brunson. They are the 5th seed and he is their third best player. Plus with Kleber, porzingis and Powell - where’s Obi’s role? Finney Smith plays a lot on the 4 as well.

Mavs would get a lot more than Toppin at the trade line. They need to add talent for Luka not subtract it.


They arent paying Brunson plus he only makes 1.8 million, hard for them to get vets without adding more to the Brunson side..

RE: What i would do at the deadline  
Mike in NJ : 1/21/2022 7:46 am : link
In comment 15563723 nygiants16 said:
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Obi and a 1st for Brunson

Randle for Barnes and a 1st

offer up Burks around the League take a draft pick back..

Noel is ubtradeable because he is always hurt

Kemba is probably untradeable but i offer him up and then buy him out so he can look to go to a contender..

I keep Fournier but tell him he is coming off the bench..

Brunson, Rj,Reddish, Barnes, Mitch

bench Rose, Quick, Grimes, Taj


I’d be happy with this, only change is I would try to send out Grimes or Quickley for Brunson rather than Toppin. If they are trading Randle, Toppin actually will be able to see the court on a regular basis.
RE: RE: What i would do at the deadline  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2022 7:48 am : link
In comment 15563741 Mike in NJ said:
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Obi and a 1st for Brunson

Randle for Barnes and a 1st

offer up Burks around the League take a draft pick back..

Noel is ubtradeable because he is always hurt

Kemba is probably untradeable but i offer him up and then buy him out so he can look to go to a contender..

I keep Fournier but tell him he is coming off the bench..

Brunson, Rj,Reddish, Barnes, Mitch

bench Rose, Quick, Grimes, Taj



I’d be happy with this, only change is I would try to send out Grimes or Quickley for Brunson rather than Toppin. If they are trading Randle, Toppin actually will be able to see the court on a regular basis.


they might want Grimes or Quick instead, in that case i send out Quick
Obi Toppin  
GNewGiants : 1/21/2022 7:52 am : link
Is not even close to equal value. Come on. Brunsons value is skyrocketing by the game. Obi plays like 14 minutes off the bench.

If Dallas were smart. They’d be talking to Indiana (another team who needs to trade) and try to work and get Sabonis. Another team would have to get involved. But Dallas needs talent around Luka and trading Brunson needs to land more than an Obi Toppin.
RE: Obi Toppin  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2022 7:57 am : link
In comment 15563748 GNewGiants said:
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Is not even close to equal value. Come on. Brunsons value is skyrocketing by the game. Obi plays like 14 minutes off the bench.

If Dallas were smart. They’d be talking to Indiana (another team who needs to trade) and try to work and get Sabonis. Another team would have to get involved. But Dallas needs talent around Luka and trading Brunson needs to land more than an Obi Toppin.


Brunson is a free agent they have no leverage, and the mavs have zero draft picks to move..

They dont have anything to get Sabonis..

Obi doesnt equal Brunson obviously but they dont have a choice if they arent resigning him
Thibs needs to bring in an offensive coach to his staff.  
JohninSC : 1/21/2022 8:08 am : link
Our issue is offense. We suck on offense. Too many 3's. Too many missed FT's. It's pathetic. It's like the Giants offense.
Sorry don’t see it  
GNewGiants : 1/21/2022 8:08 am : link
Dallas isn’t trading away one of their top players while in the midst of a playoff run and pissing off Luka for a bench player. IMO, their better off risking holding onto to him and trading a hardaway or a mixture of Powell, bullock, kleber in the off season.

Remmeber - Dallas has a megastar. Megastars aren’t happy when you trade away one of the better players for scraps. Luka would never sign off on that deal.
Morey basically admitted a deal could be made with Kings  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2022 8:29 am : link
for simmons, made it sound like a deal would get done before the deadline..

Also said it would most likely be multiple teams
16  
Carl in CT : 1/21/2022 8:57 am : link
#1 we need a shakeup.
#2 if it’s only Barnes Bagley, Heild and Picks we could beat that if we have to (not sure I want to)
#3 back to #1. I’m moving someone soon just based on effort. Getting pissed off.
RE: 16  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2022 9:00 am : link
In comment 15563859 Carl in CT said:
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#1 we need a shakeup.
#2 if it’s only Barnes Bagley, Heild and Picks we could beat that if we have to (not sure I want to)
#3 back to #1. I’m moving someone soon just based on effort. Getting pissed off.


agreed on 1 and 3, team needs to go younger and get more athletic..

as for 2 i think with the Kings they are willing to take on Harris as well thats why Morey likes their offer
This week has really highlighted our need to get faster  
Stu11 : 1/21/2022 9:08 am : link
And more athletic. We are slow and easy to guard. I mean we made 3 mediocre to lousy team D's look like the bad boy Pistons. They showed that all you have to do is run at and swarm us and we cough up the ball and chuck Up 3's like they're going out of style. Nobody is afraid of anyone on this team beating them off the dribble.
We can kill Randle and Thibs  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2022 10:12 am : link
but the next 2 weeks is on Rose, there is no way you can stay status quo, you cant just sit back and do nothing.

I am not even talking huge trades, he needs to get rid of some of the vets and randle, randle needs to go..

Easy for me to say but i send him home until the deadline
and i kill Rj for a lot  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2022 10:20 am : link
him standing up there talking to the media when Randle wont shows me a lot about this kid
Heard from a Dallas scout  
PhilSimms15 : 1/21/2022 10:21 am : link
Knicks indeed do want Brunson but Dallas wants Grimes as part of any deal and that’s holding up any momentum. The Dallas first is a given.
That is to say  
PhilSimms15 : 1/21/2022 10:25 am : link
The scout said the deal starts with Grimes and the first but the Knicks would have to include another young player with upside aka, IQ, Obi or Robinson.
RE: That is to say  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2022 10:27 am : link
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The scout said the deal starts with Grimes and the first but the Knicks would have to include another young player with upside aka, IQ, Obi or Robinson.


Id hate to do it because i like Grimes but for your PG of the future and probably next 10 years you do it
RE: Heard from a Dallas scout  
JohninSC : 1/21/2022 10:27 am : link
In comment 15564092 PhilSimms15 said:
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Knicks indeed do want Brunson but Dallas wants Grimes as part of any deal and that’s holding up any momentum. The Dallas first is a given.


I'd give up Grimes.
RE: That is to say  
Mike in NJ : 1/21/2022 11:32 am : link
In comment 15564104 PhilSimms15 said:
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The scout said the deal starts with Grimes and the first but the Knicks would have to include another young player with upside aka, IQ, Obi or Robinson.


If they don't plan on paying up for Mitch in the offseason, I don't think including him with Grimes and a pick is too much. You would really be relying on Noel to stay healthy, but maybe it would also result in Toppin getting more time at the 5.
Knicks fined 25k for not allowing Randle to meet media  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2022 1:02 pm : link
so now Randle is costing them money
RE: RE: That is to say  
adamg : 1/21/2022 5:54 pm : link
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The scout said the deal starts with Grimes and the first but the Knicks would have to include another young player with upside aka, IQ, Obi or Robinson.



Id hate to do it because i like Grimes but for your PG of the future and probably next 10 years you do it


Disagree. Grimes is 4 years younger than Brunson. Brunson is already 25. He's not the point guard for the next decade. They can take less or they can watch him leave in FA.
We can trade Fournier for a couple seconds  
adamg : 1/21/2022 5:55 pm : link
And sign Brunson in the offseason if it comes to that. Fuck Dallas.
RE: We can trade Fournier for a couple seconds  
BigBlueShock : 1/21/2022 6:16 pm : link
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And sign Brunson in the offseason if it comes to that. Fuck Dallas.

Exactly. Brunson is a FA after this season. Trading assets for him now is not helping this team win anything this season. He’s a rental. Just wait it out
RE: RE: We can trade Fournier for a couple seconds  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2022 6:17 pm : link
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And sign Brunson in the offseason if it comes to that. Fuck Dallas.


Exactly. Brunson is a FA after this season. Trading assets for him now is not helping this team win anything this season. He’s a rental. Just wait it out


You are still going to habe to give up assets to get him in the offseason, except in the kffseason you have to match 18 million
RE: RE: RE: We can trade Fournier for a couple seconds  
adamg : 1/21/2022 6:19 pm : link
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And sign Brunson in the offseason if it comes to that. Fuck Dallas.


Exactly. Brunson is a FA after this season. Trading assets for him now is not helping this team win anything this season. He’s a rental. Just wait it out



You are still going to habe to give up assets to get him in the offseason, except in the kffseason you have to match 18 million


He's a UFA. We don't NEED to do a sign and trade. It would help, but we can trade away Fournier and sign him with cap space. Can't we?
RE: RE: RE: We can trade Fournier for a couple seconds  
BigBlueShock : 1/21/2022 6:20 pm : link
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And sign Brunson in the offseason if it comes to that. Fuck Dallas.


Exactly. Brunson is a FA after this season. Trading assets for him now is not helping this team win anything this season. He’s a rental. Just wait it out



You are still going to habe to give up assets to get him in the offseason, except in the kffseason you have to match 18 million

That’s only if they don’t make any moves to shed salary before the deadline. Brunson isn’t the only move they can make.
RE: RE: We can trade Fournier for a couple seconds  
adamg : 1/21/2022 6:36 pm : link
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And sign Brunson in the offseason if it comes to that. Fuck Dallas.


Exactly. Brunson is a FA after this season. Trading assets for him now is not helping this team win anything this season. He’s a rental. Just wait it out


16 is right in a sense. But we're also right. Ideally, both teams recognize that they both have unique assets that the other benefits from more than any other team.

We get Brunson now, we can go over the cap to sign him.

They can get a good young player in Obi who is a good trade chip, but most importantly they get their first back and can make a bigger move for a star using multiple future firsts.
RE: RE: RE: RE: We can trade Fournier for a couple seconds  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2022 6:44 pm : link
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And sign Brunson in the offseason if it comes to that. Fuck Dallas.


Exactly. Brunson is a FA after this season. Trading assets for him now is not helping this team win anything this season. He’s a rental. Just wait it out



You are still going to habe to give up assets to get him in the offseason, except in the kffseason you have to match 18 million


That’s only if they don’t make any moves to shed salary before the deadline. Brunson isn’t the only move they can make.


But why would you give up assets to get rid of Fournier to sign Brunson then be at the cap..

When you can trade for him now go over the cap to sign him and have a bunch of exceptions to add more players?
RE: Knicks fined 25k for not allowing Randle to meet media  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/21/2022 6:50 pm : link
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so now Randle is costing them money


Him not facing the media is so weak on his part.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/21/2022 6:52 pm : link
Re. Brunson...there's something to be said to get a dude before he hits FA. It definitely gives us a leg upon on keeping him, provided he likes his time here. On the flip side, you give up assets & there's no guarantee he sticks around.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: We can trade Fournier for a couple seconds  
adamg : 1/21/2022 6:53 pm : link
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And sign Brunson in the offseason if it comes to that. Fuck Dallas.


Exactly. Brunson is a FA after this season. Trading assets for him now is not helping this team win anything this season. He’s a rental. Just wait it out



You are still going to habe to give up assets to get him in the offseason, except in the kffseason you have to match 18 million


That’s only if they don’t make any moves to shed salary before the deadline. Brunson isn’t the only move they can make.



But why would you give up assets to get rid of Fournier to sign Brunson then be at the cap..

When you can trade for him now go over the cap to sign him and have a bunch of exceptions to add more players?


Because Grimes fits this team like a glove. He and RJ are the same age. We don't need to capitulate to DAL just because they want Grimes. Fuck them.
RE: ...  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2022 6:54 pm : link
In comment 15565738 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Re. Brunson...there's something to be said to get a dude before he hits FA. It definitely gives us a leg upon on keeping him, provided he likes his time here. On the flip side, you give up assets & there's no guarantee he sticks around.


Leon Rose's brother is his agent he isnt going anywhere if the Knicks get him
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/21/2022 6:55 pm : link
Randle & Fournier contracts are a complete albatross as of this moment. I'm done with Randle.

Let Grimes see the court more.

I am all over the map on RJ. He is so damn inconsistent.

Thibs' stubbornness is infuriating as hell.
I dont want to give up Grimes either  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2022 6:58 pm : link
but in my opinion a Point is more important than a 3 and d wing..

in my mind Brunson, Rj, Reddish and Mitch would be the future starters and need a stretch 4 to join them
RE: I dont want to give up Grimes either  
adamg : 1/21/2022 7:01 pm : link
In comment 15565753 nygiants16 said:
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but in my opinion a Point is more important than a 3 and d wing..

in my mind Brunson, Rj, Reddish and Mitch would be the future starters and need a stretch 4 to join them


Reddish is a lotto ticket compared to Grimes

I'm penciling Grimes at the 2, RJ at the 3. Reddish is a question mark right now.

Trading a 10 year asset like Grimes is absurd for an expiring contract of a guy who is not an all-star.

DAL has no leverage. We're not a contender either way.
Giving up Grimes when other players can do, so we can go over the cap  
adamg : 1/21/2022 7:03 pm : link
Is taking two steps back to take one forward
RE: RE: I dont want to give up Grimes either  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2022 7:03 pm : link
In comment 15565760 adamg said:
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In comment 15565753 nygiants16 said:


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but in my opinion a Point is more important than a 3 and d wing..

in my mind Brunson, Rj, Reddish and Mitch would be the future starters and need a stretch 4 to join them



Reddish is a lotto ticket compared to Grimes

I'm penciling Grimes at the 2, RJ at the 3. Reddish is a question mark right now.

Trading a 10 year asset like Grimes is absurd for an expiring contract of a guy who is not an all-star.

DAL has no leverage. We're not a contender either way.


I am very bullish on Reddish, loved him coming out of that draft..
nygiants16.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/21/2022 7:04 pm : link
I didn't know that about Brunson's agent. Good info.
RE: Giving up Grimes when other players can do, so we can go over the cap  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2022 7:04 pm : link
In comment 15565762 adamg said:
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Is taking two steps back to take one forward


I think your underrating Brunson a little bit
Why aren't you bullish on Grimes?  
adamg : 1/21/2022 7:06 pm : link
I'd give up cap space to keep Grimes for the future of this team. Grimes is 21. Much more valuable to have that kind of assert for the next ten years than Fournier and cap exceptions imo. Obviously you disagree.
RE: RE: Giving up Grimes when other players can do, so we can go over the cap  
adamg : 1/21/2022 7:06 pm : link
In comment 15565767 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15565762 adamg said:


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Is taking two steps back to take one forward



I think your underrating Brunson a little bit


We're getting Brunson either way
RE: Why aren't you bullish on Grimes?  
nygiants16 : 1/21/2022 7:46 pm : link
In comment 15565771 adamg said:
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I'd give up cap space to keep Grimes for the future of this team. Grimes is 21. Much more valuable to have that kind of assert for the next ten years than Fournier and cap exceptions imo. Obviously you disagree.


I like Grimes have said he is a great fit on any team, i just like Reddish a little more but would love to have Brunson, Grimes and Reddish on Knicks but if i have to i would give grimes to get Brunson..

I am not shitting on Grimes at all
Agree NYGiants16  
PhilSimms15 : 1/21/2022 10:07 pm : link
I like Grimes, nice player but the knicks have not had a decent PG since Marbury. And Brunson’s upside is tremendous — knows how to run a team, good shooter and a real worker on D.

Grimes is a 2 or a 3 like RJ, Fournier, IQ, Cam, and Burks

At PG they have two aging and injury prone players.

And to those saying just wait until Brunson is a UFA to sign him but would be really difficult with Bird rights.
and i think Thibs loves Grimes  
nygiants16 : 1/22/2022 8:28 am : link
but you have to remember to if reports are true Grimes was in the Reddish deal and they were getting close to a deal and then last minute was taken out..

I think they view Grimes as a good player who can be here for a long time but are willing to put him in trade scenarios if it makes the team better
Reddish is 100% healthy  
nygiants16 : 1/22/2022 1:23 pm : link
Thibs said see where he is tomorrow but said he has a rotation so be patient..

Yes not like the bench could use some help, god forbid give the 22 year old minutes over Burks who has been awful
Grimes is understated.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/22/2022 2:23 pm : link
Hes a natural shooter. I really like his skillset.

Hes exactly the type of player the knicks will desperately seek when they become contenders: cheap and cost controlled shooting and defense.




Reddish probable  
nygiants16 : 1/22/2022 5:30 pm : link
Noel and Kemba are questionable
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adamg : 1/22/2022 5:37 pm : link
You're obfuscating and shifting the goalposts constantly.


Would you rather have Grimes and Brunson with Fournier or the cap options.

Or would you rather have Brunson and Fournier and give up Grimes.
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adamg : 1/22/2022 5:38 pm : link
In comment 15567318 adamg said:
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You're obfuscating and shifting the goalposts constantly.


Would you rather have Grimes and Brunson withOUT Fournier or the cap options.

Or would you rather have Brunson and Fournier and give up Grimes.
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nygiants16 : 1/22/2022 5:41 pm : link
In comment 15567318 adamg said:
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You're obfuscating and shifting the goalposts constantly.


Would you rather have Grimes and Brunson with Fournier or the cap options.

Or would you rather have Brunson and Fournier and give up Grimes.


Id rather get Brunson now, sign him over the cap and have the cap options..
and how am i moving the goal posts?  
nygiants16 : 1/22/2022 5:48 pm : link
i want to keep Grimes as much as we can, but if it comes down to it i am trading him for Brunson to get deal done now
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