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adamg : 1/20/2022 8:19 am
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Davonta graham questionable  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 8:20 am : link
Noel and Reddish still out according to yesterdays injury report
Reddish might be available  
adamg : 1/20/2022 8:21 am : link
ESPN doesn't list him on injury report. Just Noel and Arcidiacono.
..  
JohninSC : 1/20/2022 8:23 am : link
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Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
The Sacramento Kings organization has a current mindset: They are not moving star guard De’Aaron Fox and want to center team around Fox and second-year guard Tyrese Haliburton, sources say.
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adamg : 1/20/2022 8:24 am : link
In comment 15561776 JohninSC said:
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Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
The Sacramento Kings organization has a current mindset: They are not moving star guard De’Aaron Fox and want to center team around Fox and second-year guard Tyrese Haliburton, sources say.



Yeah. This was posted yesterday. Seems like Brunson is out #1 option rn.
RE: Reddish might be available  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 8:25 am : link
In comment 15561772 adamg said:
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ESPN doesn't list him on injury report. Just Noel and Arcidiacono.


i saw yesterday someone tweeted still out, he looked good in a video warming up the other day
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nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 8:28 am : link
In comment 15561776 JohninSC said:
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Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
The Sacramento Kings organization has a current mindset: They are not moving star guard De’Aaron Fox and want to center team around Fox and second-year guard Tyrese Haliburton, sources say.



basically nobody has met their asking price and teams need to up their offers
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JohninSC : 1/20/2022 8:37 am : link
In comment 15561791 nygiants16 said:
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basically nobody has met their asking price and teams need to up their offers


Probably because he isn't worth their asking price.
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nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 8:39 am : link
In comment 15561796 JohninSC said:
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basically nobody has met their asking price and teams need to up their offers



Probably because he isn't worth their asking price.


no and i like Fox and he is the type of PG Thibs likes, but i am not giving up 3 young players and 3 1sts
I'm good on Fox  
JohninSC : 1/20/2022 8:45 am : link
with that contract. That is an albatross and he doesn't even shoot well. Hard pass.
I want to see RJ have a bounce back game tonight  
adamg : 1/20/2022 8:54 am : link
Too many TOs and too inefficient the past couple games. Like to see another 30 point monster game from him.
Westbrook benched.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/20/2022 8:55 am : link
Love it.
RE: Westbrook benched.  
adamg : 1/20/2022 10:11 am : link
In comment 15561822 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Love it.


I like Westbrook. Why don't you like him?
Lonzo out with small meniscus tear  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 10:13 am : link
evaluating treatment options
RE: RE: Westbrook benched.  
NYG22 : 1/20/2022 10:44 am : link
In comment 15561975 adamg said:
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Love it.



I like Westbrook. Why don't you like him?


Extremely tough player to evaluate. Plus (but diminishing) athleticism. Unprecedented work rate. Counting stats that are elite. But efficiency is as bad as it gets, he's extremely difficult to play with and instincts on both ends are team killers.
McBride  
JohninSC : 1/20/2022 11:29 am : link
drops 16 assists last night in Westchester win.
RE: McBride  
Del Shofner : 1/20/2022 12:11 pm : link
In comment 15562204 JohninSC said:
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drops 16 assists last night in Westchester win.


I wish he'd get a chance with the big team so long as Rose is out and Kemba is limited. Burks and IQ are decent rotation players but not point guards.
RE: RE: Westbrook benched.  
GNewGiants : 1/20/2022 12:18 pm : link
In comment 15561975 adamg said:
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Love it.



I like Westbrook. Why don't you like him?


He values stats over winning and plus he’s a baby.
McBride is an example of  
Dave on the UWS : 1/20/2022 1:13 pm : link
why they have to start thinking about moving on from Thibs. He’s playing the starters too many minted again, not developing the young players enough ( in fact stunting the growth of a young guy like Toppin), all to squeeze out a few more wins in the regular season and then getting slapped down in the playoffs
RE: McBride is an example of  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 1:23 pm : link
In comment 15562455 Dave on the UWS said:
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why they have to start thinking about moving on from Thibs. He’s playing the starters too many minted again, not developing the young players enough ( in fact stunting the growth of a young guy like Toppin), all to squeeze out a few more wins in the regular season and then getting slapped down in the playoffs


Mcbride is doing it in the G league, its great he is doing it but he isnt going to play anywhere near that in the NBA..

2md this idea Thibs doesnt play young guys is laughable, Rj plays the 2md most minutes on the team, Mitch plays 30, Quick plays over 20 and finishes a lot of games, Grimes has been around 18-20 consistently..

Not playing a ton of minutes doesnt stunt a players growth, there is no proof that more minutes is a key to development, Knox played 30 his rookie year and didnt develop into anything..

Until Toppin improves his 3 point and his defense he is not going to play more minutes, it doesnt matter who the coach is..
Fizdale might play him!  
adamg : 1/20/2022 1:25 pm : link
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Until Toppin improves his 3 point and his defense he is not going to play more minutes, it doesnt matter who the coach is..
I am guilty of this to  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 1:25 pm : link
but we do not know more than Thibs, if Thibs thought a guy deserved minutes he would find monutes for them, Fact is right now Toppin doesnt deserve a ton more minutes, would i like him at 15-18 sure i would but aint happening right now..
RE: Fizdale might play him!  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 1:26 pm : link
In comment 15562477 adamg said:
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Until Toppin improves his 3 point and his defense he is not going to play more minutes, it doesnt matter who the coach is..



fizdale would play him for 5 games and then change is rotation and pretty aure fiz played 12 guys 1 game in the first quarter
RE: McBride is an example of  
robbieballs2003 : 1/20/2022 1:31 pm : link
In comment 15562455 Dave on the UWS said:
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why they have to start thinking about moving on from Thibs. He’s playing the starters too many minted again, not developing the young players enough ( in fact stunting the growth of a young guy like Toppin), all to squeeze out a few more wins in the regular season and then getting slapped down in the playoffs


Agreed. He should be getting minutes with the Knicks. He's a good defender too. What's the downside of letting him learn on the job?
RE: RE: McBride is an example of  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 1:34 pm : link
In comment 15562488 robbieballs2003 said:
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why they have to start thinking about moving on from Thibs. He’s playing the starters too many minted again, not developing the young players enough ( in fact stunting the growth of a young guy like Toppin), all to squeeze out a few more wins in the regular season and then getting slapped down in the playoffs



Agreed. He should be getting minutes with the Knicks. He's a good defender too. What's the downside of letting him learn on the job?


and who you taking out?
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Enzo : 1/20/2022 1:36 pm : link
In comment 15562491 nygiants16 said:
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why they have to start thinking about moving on from Thibs. He’s playing the starters too many minted again, not developing the young players enough ( in fact stunting the growth of a young guy like Toppin), all to squeeze out a few more wins in the regular season and then getting slapped down in the playoffs



Agreed. He should be getting minutes with the Knicks. He's a good defender too. What's the downside of letting him learn on the job?



and who you taking out?

whoever is not playing well on a given night. We have no shortage of those guys....lol.
RE: RE: RE: RE: McBride is an example of  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 1:40 pm : link
In comment 15562494 Enzo said:
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why they have to start thinking about moving on from Thibs. He’s playing the starters too many minted again, not developing the young players enough ( in fact stunting the growth of a young guy like Toppin), all to squeeze out a few more wins in the regular season and then getting slapped down in the playoffs



Agreed. He should be getting minutes with the Knicks. He's a good defender too. What's the downside of letting him learn on the job?



and who you taking out?


whoever is not playing well on a given night. We have no shortage of those guys....lol.


hahaha true
I like Mcbride  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 1:41 pm : link
and i think he has a bright future here and maybe if he doesnt get covid he is starting right now and Kemba doesnt get back into the rotation, who knows..

But as it stands he is blocked, maybe after the deadline minutes open up for him
It'd be fun if Thibs expanded the rotation  
adamg : 1/20/2022 1:42 pm : link
And played the hot hand. Just not his style I guess.
Just  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2022 1:44 pm : link
picked up Chris Herring's new Knicks book. So far it seems like a must read for Knicks fans.
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Stu11 : 1/20/2022 1:55 pm : link
In comment 15562474 nygiants16 said:
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why they have to start thinking about moving on from Thibs. He’s playing the starters too many minted again, not developing the young players enough ( in fact stunting the growth of a young guy like Toppin), all to squeeze out a few more wins in the regular season and then getting slapped down in the playoffs



Mcbride is doing it in the G league, its great he is doing it but he isnt going to play anywhere near that in the NBA..

2md this idea Thibs doesnt play young guys is laughable, Rj plays the 2md most minutes on the team, Mitch plays 30, Quick plays over 20 and finishes a lot of games, Grimes has been around 18-20 consistently..

Not playing a ton of minutes doesnt stunt a players growth, there is no proof that more minutes is a key to development, Knox played 30 his rookie year and didnt develop into anything..

Until Toppin improves his 3 point and his defense he is not going to play more minutes, it doesnt matter who the coach is..

Nygiants Scal is on this all the time on his morning show with Isola on NBA radio. He uses Houston as an example of the danger of tanking with all kids and giving them limitless minutes. He stresses that when you do that you're not teaching young players discipline and the value of earning minutes in the NBA and that's why you see them acting like idiots because there are no consequences.
And what are we teaching our vets that go out and repeat the same  
robbieballs2003 : 1/20/2022 2:07 pm : link
Boneheaded mistakes the last two years. I like Quickley but the fact that he still throws up half court shots is fuckin insane. This isn't a vet or rookie type of thing. Accountability should be applied to all. Nobody is saying give these young kids limitless minutes but learning experiences at the NBA level is better than just wasting a year by only playing in the G League. It's not black and white. There is grey. Every player is different and should be handled accordingly but there are a set of standards that need to apply to all if you want to gain that respect.
RE: RE: RE: McBride is an example of  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 2:08 pm : link
In comment 15562553 Stu11 said:
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why they have to start thinking about moving on from Thibs. He’s playing the starters too many minted again, not developing the young players enough ( in fact stunting the growth of a young guy like Toppin), all to squeeze out a few more wins in the regular season and then getting slapped down in the playoffs



Mcbride is doing it in the G league, its great he is doing it but he isnt going to play anywhere near that in the NBA..

2md this idea Thibs doesnt play young guys is laughable, Rj plays the 2md most minutes on the team, Mitch plays 30, Quick plays over 20 and finishes a lot of games, Grimes has been around 18-20 consistently..

Not playing a ton of minutes doesnt stunt a players growth, there is no proof that more minutes is a key to development, Knox played 30 his rookie year and didnt develop into anything..

Until Toppin improves his 3 point and his defense he is not going to play more minutes, it doesnt matter who the coach is..


Nygiants Scal is on this all the time on his morning show with Isola on NBA radio. He uses Houston as an example of the danger of tanking with all kids and giving them limitless minutes. He stresses that when you do that you're not teaching young players discipline and the value of earning minutes in the NBA and that's why you see them acting like idiots because there are no consequences.


Yup you dont just give a rookie limitless minutes on a team with a bunch of young players because then all you get is a bunch of young players learning on the fly, taking bad shots and not learning how to play as a team...and you get a bunch of players who just learn how to lose..

Not every young player has star potential, so they have to learn their role and what they are going to do to help a team, you dont learn that on a crappy team playing a ton of minutes..

Sometimes a player learns that somehwere else, aometimes a team missing something with a player and they become a star somehwere else but that is extremely rare, usually you know right away if a guy has star potential
RE: And what are we teaching our vets that go out and repeat the same  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15562571 robbieballs2003 said:
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Boneheaded mistakes the last two years. I like Quickley but the fact that he still throws up half court shots is fuckin insane. This isn't a vet or rookie type of thing. Accountability should be applied to all. Nobody is saying give these young kids limitless minutes but learning experiences at the NBA level is better than just wasting a year by only playing in the G League. It's not black and white. There is grey. Every player is different and should be handled accordingly but there are a set of standards that need to apply to all if you want to gain that respect.


vets are always going to have a longer leash, it doesnt matter who the coach is, a vet will have a longer leash..

It is easy for me or you to say hey play this guy more and bench this guy, easy for us to say get rid of this guy or that guy..

We arent in a locker room, Coaches have egos to deal with and the cohrsion and trust of a locker room. You cant just go in and say ok everyone is on the same set of rules..not how it works..

Quickley has gotten more leash this year because he is passing more and he has been playing better defense, plain and simple
RE: McBride is an example of  
ajr2456 : 1/20/2022 2:14 pm : link
In comment 15562455 Dave on the UWS said:
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why they have to start thinking about moving on from Thibs. He’s playing the starters too many minted again, not developing the young players enough ( in fact stunting the growth of a young guy like Toppin), all to squeeze out a few more wins in the regular season and then getting slapped down in the playoffs


Their plan all along is for Thibs to only be here 3 years max
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adamg : 1/20/2022 2:15 pm : link
In comment 15562586 ajr2456 said:
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why they have to start thinking about moving on from Thibs. He’s playing the starters too many minted again, not developing the young players enough ( in fact stunting the growth of a young guy like Toppin), all to squeeze out a few more wins in the regular season and then getting slapped down in the playoffs



Their plan all along is for Thibs to only be here 3 years max


Any idea who the next coach will be? A guy on the staff?
RE: RE: And what are we teaching our vets that go out and repeat the same  
robbieballs2003 : 1/20/2022 2:16 pm : link
In comment 15562581 nygiants16 said:
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Boneheaded mistakes the last two years. I like Quickley but the fact that he still throws up half court shots is fuckin insane. This isn't a vet or rookie type of thing. Accountability should be applied to all. Nobody is saying give these young kids limitless minutes but learning experiences at the NBA level is better than just wasting a year by only playing in the G League. It's not black and white. There is grey. Every player is different and should be handled accordingly but there are a set of standards that need to apply to all if you want to gain that respect.



vets are always going to have a longer leash, it doesnt matter who the coach is, a vet will have a longer leash..

It is easy for me or you to say hey play this guy more and bench this guy, easy for us to say get rid of this guy or that guy..

We arent in a locker room, Coaches have egos to deal with and the cohrsion and trust of a locker room. You cant just go in and say ok everyone is on the same set of rules..not how it works..

Quickley has gotten more leash this year because he is passing more and he has been playing better defense, plain and simple


I'm not addressing you. You don't have to respond to every post. We know how you feel and what you will say in every response.
I  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2022 2:16 pm : link
was completely unaware that the 81-82 Knicks were investigated (and the FBI concluded) that 3 players were throwing games to help their cocaine dealer win bets? wow lol.
RE: I  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 2:17 pm : link
In comment 15562594 DanMetroMan said:
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was completely unaware that the 81-82 Knicks were investigated (and the FBI concluded) that 3 players were throwing games to help their cocaine dealer win bets? wow lol.


i got the book sitting in my amazon cart, have to order it
RE: RE: RE: And what are we teaching our vets that go out and repeat the same  
nygiants16 : 1/20/2022 2:19 pm : link
In comment 15562593 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15562571 robbieballs2003 said:


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Boneheaded mistakes the last two years. I like Quickley but the fact that he still throws up half court shots is fuckin insane. This isn't a vet or rookie type of thing. Accountability should be applied to all. Nobody is saying give these young kids limitless minutes but learning experiences at the NBA level is better than just wasting a year by only playing in the G League. It's not black and white. There is grey. Every player is different and should be handled accordingly but there are a set of standards that need to apply to all if you want to gain that respect.



vets are always going to have a longer leash, it doesnt matter who the coach is, a vet will have a longer leash..

It is easy for me or you to say hey play this guy more and bench this guy, easy for us to say get rid of this guy or that guy..

We arent in a locker room, Coaches have egos to deal with and the cohrsion and trust of a locker room. You cant just go in and say ok everyone is on the same set of rules..not how it works..

Quickley has gotten more leash this year because he is passing more and he has been playing better defense, plain and simple



I'm not addressing you. You don't have to respond to every post. We know how you feel and what you will say in every response.


what the hell are you so mad about?
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DanMetroMan : 1/20/2022 2:23 pm : link
In comment 15562596 nygiants16 said:
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was completely unaware that the 81-82 Knicks were investigated (and the FBI concluded) that 3 players were throwing games to help their cocaine dealer win bets? wow lol.



i got the book sitting in my amazon cart, have to order it


So far so good, a lot of interesting factoids
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Enzo : 1/20/2022 2:26 pm : link
In comment 15562594 DanMetroMan said:
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was completely unaware that the 81-82 Knicks were investigated (and the FBI concluded) that 3 players were throwing games to help their cocaine dealer win bets? wow lol.

this was in the news a while back. And yeah it's a crazy story. I don't know why it wasn't a bigger story when reports of it came out after the fact - and I wonder why the FBI never went after the players.
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DanMetroMan : 1/20/2022 2:35 pm : link
In comment 15562612 Enzo said:
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was completely unaware that the 81-82 Knicks were investigated (and the FBI concluded) that 3 players were throwing games to help their cocaine dealer win bets? wow lol.


this was in the news a while back. And yeah it's a crazy story. I don't know why it wasn't a bigger story when reports of it came out after the fact - and I wonder why the FBI never went after the players.


It was implied they didn't have the physical evidence or cooperation of witnesses. Butch Beard said he would get calls from random people saying his players were uptown buying/doing coke. The guy connected to this scandal apparently was winning very big late in the season on Knicks games.

Unrelated but Bianchi had a multiyear contract extension offered but he waited to sign it because he didn't want his soon to be ex-wife to get half... ended up with a 1 year extension instead, and then replaced.

- Checketts was such a good dude that he felt bad replacing MacLeod that he personally called around trying to find him another HC job (Notre Dame).

-Xavier McDaniel would get completely naked "arouse" himself in the lockerroom and then use his organ as a towel rack...
.  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2022 2:37 pm : link
Jonathan Givony
@DraftExpress
Shaedon Sharpe, formerly ESPN’s No. 1 prospect in the 2022 high school class, is eligible to enter the 2022 NBA draft, a source told ESPN. Sharpe, enrolled at Kentucky, is considered a potential top-five pick this upcoming June. Story:
Oh  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2022 2:54 pm : link
this is wild too... Ewing had a clause in his contract that he could hit FA early if he wasn't a top 4 paid player (at the time it was Hot Rod Williams... yes Hot Rod Williams, Jordan, Hakeem and Ewing). Falk approached the Warriors about a scheme in which they would renegotiate Mullin's deal (Falk wasn't his agent) to move money so it would be paid earlier. This would have allowed Ewing to hit FA and sign with another team (presumably the Warriors). Mullin's agent alerted the Knicks (he was also Oakley's agent).
Pat  
DanMetroMan : 1/20/2022 3:11 pm : link
Riley's brother played for the Giants? I had no idea.
Author interviewed on KFS  
adamg : 1/20/2022 3:13 pm : link
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Chris Herring Interview - ( New Window )
Rick Carlisle is death on young players  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/20/2022 3:19 pm : link
Especially point guards. He's notoriously tough on them. It's nothing new.

Herring is just ok  
Enzo : 1/20/2022 3:43 pm : link
when it comes to NBA analysts IMO, but I'll probably end up reading his book just because it covers such an interesting era for the team (and I was watching every minute of every game back then). Although it will probably end up being pretty depressing given all the painful ends to seasons.
All star voting  
BigBlueFootball44 : 1/20/2022 3:56 pm : link
Just saw the latest voting numbers. I know the fans are dumb, etc. (Klay, Kyrie, Melo, Aldridge (???) being listed) but this does speak to the fact that Knicks fans are not coming out for Randle.

RE: RE: RE: McBride is an example of  
ajr2456 : 1/20/2022 4:08 pm : link
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why they have to start thinking about moving on from Thibs. He’s playing the starters too many minted again, not developing the young players enough ( in fact stunting the growth of a young guy like Toppin), all to squeeze out a few more wins in the regular season and then getting slapped down in the playoffs



Their plan all along is for Thibs to only be here 3 years max



Any idea who the next coach will be? A guy on the staff?


If it comes in house it would be Bryant, imo. I do know all their top targets are currently employed, but don’t have specific names
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