but i cant watch Randle control the ball at all times on this team anymore, i just cant, passing up wide open shots jist to dribble into 3 guys..
He tries to play off the ball and then gets a wide open look and instead he then dribbles around, like no take the shot..
Its jist amazing a week ago the Knicks were 8-3 in their last 11 playing well and just have completelt shit the bed..its maddening
Thibs is so fricken stubborn
He should bench Julius for a game. There needs to be consequences for this bad play. He had as many technical fouls as made field goals. Start a different lineup for once. Let Randle play 20 off the bench.
Tonight may have been our last chance this year to reach .500.
Kemba- I like him, i think he is getting a raw deal but i want a young point..
Randle needs to go, thank you for last year but you cant handle the pressure and its effecting the entire team, you need to go..
Burks- i like Burks he can be a valuable piece off the bench for a contender and win a game or 2 for someone in the playoffs but right now i want more grimes and reddish when he comes back..
Noel i dont even care if its just for a bag of skittles..
Keep Rose and gibson as mentors to the young players and help them with Thibs..
Keep Fournier for now he has played better as of late..
Go get Brunson to be your point guard of the future, build around him, Reddish, Rj, Mitch, Grimes
It infuriates me that a player like Quickley can do whatever the fuck he wants, like shooting from the halfcourt, without repercussion. Meanwhile Toppin gets nothing called for him, does all the little stuff, and gets pulled immediately when he misses the one shot he takes all game.
Again, not saying he's not next Kemp or Amare, but nobody on this team is being coached up or put in a better position to perform. Everybody just does whatever they have always done.
And it looks more and more Randle is just a different player with fans in the stands. Rose has to pull the plug at some point.
Looking at the box score and reading the game thread.
This team is in trouble.
Changes need to be made quickly and I am not opposed to Thibs being held to the fire.
By time Rose gets back it will be too late to make a run.
Burks to start at PG. The rhythm of RJ running the offense has been destroyed
I don't agree he played well his first game back and needs a minute to get back in the flow.
IMO Randle is becoming a problem and I mean not just his play.
At this point I am not sure how you right the ship to salvage the season.
Outside of a blockbuster trade for a star I am not sure Thibs has a good feel for the right lineup and it's obvious the Knicks are babying Randle.
like he has requested a trade and is waiting it out until it happens..
Wasnt there a story before the seasom that Thibs didnt make him a captain?
I wish he would at this point he obviously can't handle the pressure of being the #1 option and face of the franchise.
The boos are getting to him and the Knicks letting him off the hook in facing the media is a joke.
Sounds more and more like Joe Judge. He was talking after the game about how hard they played and how they need fix this together. Guy gets paid handsomely and has not done a good job this year at all. Instead of throwing his arms up after every call that goes against the Knicks maybe he should start drawing up plays that actually work.
is the action of someone who wants to be traded. (And also I think cowardly, but I've never been in that situation.)
This entire situation is spiraling. This is becoming a little Joe Judge / Giants-esque. All we're asking for is competence and competitiveness. Not getting either.
Kemba is terrible now. Nobody wants him for an asset.
The Knicks are better off tearing it down than trading for someone that will give them a push. Randle is proving to be a 1 year wonder. Barrett is perhaps the 3-4 option on a contending team. Obi may bring back a pick. Fournier is a meh type player.
But there’s nothing the Knicks have that will bring back a number 1 type guy. Tear it down. Accumulate picks. Because there’s not a true mega star that’s coming to NY via trade or FA this or next year.
Kemba is terrible now. Nobody wants him for an asset.
The Knicks are better off tearing it down than trading for someone that will give them a push. Randle is proving to be a 1 year wonder. Barrett is perhaps the 3-4 option on a contending team. Obi may bring back a pick. Fournier is a meh type player.
But there’s nothing the Knicks have that will bring back a number 1 type guy. Tear it down. Accumulate picks. Because there’s not a true mega star that’s coming to NY via trade or FA this or next year.
Knicks have plenty of assets, they have something like 20 picks in the next 4 drafts..
Knicks have the assets to trade for a star, the problem right now is who that star is going to be..
On bad teams. Beal, Towns, Zion are probably the only 3 from bad teams that may want new homes. Zion is a massive question mark. Towns and Beal would cost more than what the Knicks have.
The Knicks problem is their first round pick will never be that appealing for a megastar. That pick needs to be at least top 5, if not top 3. And the Knicks with the roster constructed will be a 7-8 playoff seed or a very low lottery pick. That’s not attractive enough. The Dallas pick is gonna be the high 10s or low 20s. Not attractive enough.
The warriors did plenty of shopping for the 8th and I believe the 14th pick and got no returns. No contending teams are giving the Knicks anything worth while.
I call the Knicks a team in purgatory. Not good enough to win it all. Not bad enough to be a team who can win the lottery. The thing that sucked for them was they were a pick away from Curry years back. A pick away from MoranT three years ago. They have had some bad luck. Waiting on a star to come to NY will just prolong the process.
On bad teams. Beal, Towns, Zion are probably the only 3 from bad teams that may want new homes. Zion is a massive question mark. Towns and Beal would cost more than what the Knicks have.
The Knicks problem is their first round pick will never be that appealing for a megastar. That pick needs to be at least top 5, if not top 3. And the Knicks with the roster constructed will be a 7-8 playoff seed or a very low lottery pick. That’s not attractive enough. The Dallas pick is gonna be the high 10s or low 20s. Not attractive enough.
The warriors did plenty of shopping for the 8th and I believe the 14th pick and got no returns. No contending teams are giving the Knicks anything worth while.
I call the Knicks a team in purgatory. Not good enough to win it all. Not bad enough to be a team who can win the lottery. The thing that sucked for them was they were a pick away from Curry years back. A pick away from MoranT three years ago. They have had some bad luck. Waiting on a star to come to NY will just prolong the process.
Time for total reboot.
Thats not exactly true, the Nets traded picks in the 20s for Harden..
and Knicks are not locked into anything all of their contracts except for fournier and Randle expire after next year..
Knicks are not locked into this roster they have plenty of flexibility..
It looks bad because Randle sucka right now but the Knicks are not stuck or locked in
you also never know when a star will become available
its simply a waiting game right now for the Knicks, and whether the star comes via free agency, trades or draft it doesnt matter..
I do agree knicks need to trade off some of the vets and let some of these young guys take over some of the minutes but tanking does nothing, it doesnt work..
Come close for Brunson. They are the 5th seed and he is their third best player. Plus with Kleber, porzingis and Powell - where’s Obi’s role? Finney Smith plays a lot on the 4 as well.
Mavs would get a lot more than Toppin at the trade line. They need to add talent for Luka not subtract it.
Come close for Brunson. They are the 5th seed and he is their third best player. Plus with Kleber, porzingis and Powell - where’s Obi’s role? Finney Smith plays a lot on the 4 as well.
Mavs would get a lot more than Toppin at the trade line. They need to add talent for Luka not subtract it.
They arent paying Brunson plus he only makes 1.8 million, hard for them to get vets without adding more to the Brunson side..
offer up Burks around the League take a draft pick back..
Noel is ubtradeable because he is always hurt
Kemba is probably untradeable but i offer him up and then buy him out so he can look to go to a contender..
I keep Fournier but tell him he is coming off the bench..
Brunson, Rj,Reddish, Barnes, Mitch
bench Rose, Quick, Grimes, Taj
I’d be happy with this, only change is I would try to send out Grimes or Quickley for Brunson rather than Toppin. If they are trading Randle, Toppin actually will be able to see the court on a regular basis.
offer up Burks around the League take a draft pick back..
Noel is ubtradeable because he is always hurt
Kemba is probably untradeable but i offer him up and then buy him out so he can look to go to a contender..
I keep Fournier but tell him he is coming off the bench..
Brunson, Rj,Reddish, Barnes, Mitch
bench Rose, Quick, Grimes, Taj
I’d be happy with this, only change is I would try to send out Grimes or Quickley for Brunson rather than Toppin. If they are trading Randle, Toppin actually will be able to see the court on a regular basis.
they might want Grimes or Quick instead, in that case i send out Quick
Is not even close to equal value. Come on. Brunsons value is skyrocketing by the game. Obi plays like 14 minutes off the bench.
If Dallas were smart. They’d be talking to Indiana (another team who needs to trade) and try to work and get Sabonis. Another team would have to get involved. But Dallas needs talent around Luka and trading Brunson needs to land more than an Obi Toppin.
Is not even close to equal value. Come on. Brunsons value is skyrocketing by the game. Obi plays like 14 minutes off the bench.
If Dallas were smart. They’d be talking to Indiana (another team who needs to trade) and try to work and get Sabonis. Another team would have to get involved. But Dallas needs talent around Luka and trading Brunson needs to land more than an Obi Toppin.
Brunson is a free agent they have no leverage, and the mavs have zero draft picks to move..
They dont have anything to get Sabonis..
Obi doesnt equal Brunson obviously but they dont have a choice if they arent resigning him
Thibs needs to bring in an offensive coach to his staff.
Dallas isn’t trading away one of their top players while in the midst of a playoff run and pissing off Luka for a bench player. IMO, their better off risking holding onto to him and trading a hardaway or a mixture of Powell, bullock, kleber in the off season.
Remmeber - Dallas has a megastar. Megastars aren’t happy when you trade away one of the better players for scraps. Luka would never sign off on that deal.
Morey basically admitted a deal could be made with Kings
#1 we need a shakeup.
#2 if it’s only Barnes Bagley, Heild and Picks we could beat that if we have to (not sure I want to)
#3 back to #1. I’m moving someone soon just based on effort. Getting pissed off.
but i guess its just follow the leader
wow
He tries to play off the ball and then gets a wide open look and instead he then dribbles around, like no take the shot..
Its jist amazing a week ago the Knicks were 8-3 in their last 11 playing well and just have completelt shit the bed..its maddening
Thibs is so fricken stubborn
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Randle is 1 for 8 with 4 points and 3 TOs. And RJ usually plays better defense. But sure, sit them both.
not arguing but who do you take out to bring Rj back in?
You're right. Just felt unfair.
He tries to play off the ball and then gets a wide open look and instead he then dribbles around, like no take the shot..
Its jist amazing a week ago the Knicks were 8-3 in their last 11 playing well and just have completelt shit the bed..its maddening
Thibs is so fricken stubborn
He should bench Julius for a game. There needs to be consequences for this bad play. He had as many technical fouls as made field goals. Start a different lineup for once. Let Randle play 20 off the bench.
Randle needs to go, thank you for last year but you cant handle the pressure and its effecting the entire team, you need to go..
Burks- i like Burks he can be a valuable piece off the bench for a contender and win a game or 2 for someone in the playoffs but right now i want more grimes and reddish when he comes back..
Noel i dont even care if its just for a bag of skittles..
Keep Rose and gibson as mentors to the young players and help them with Thibs..
Keep Fournier for now he has played better as of late..
Go get Brunson to be your point guard of the future, build around him, Reddish, Rj, Mitch, Grimes
Bench Rose, Mcbride, Grimes, Taj..
Again, not saying he's not next Kemp or Amare, but nobody on this team is being coached up or put in a better position to perform. Everybody just does whatever they have always done.
And it looks more and more Randle is just a different player with fans in the stands. Rose has to pull the plug at some point.
This team is in trouble.
Changes need to be made quickly and I am not opposed to Thibs being held to the fire.
By time Rose gets back it will be too late to make a run.
Highlight of the Knicks season so far. She’s amazing.
Kemba and DAL pick for Brunson?
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Kemba and DAL pick for Brunson?
Probably take at least Obi if they trade him
and on that day he should be moved
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good time to make a trade
Kemba and DAL pick for Brunson?
Probably take at least Obi if they trade him
Then you're riding with Cam and Samanic at the 4
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good time to make a trade
Kemba and DAL pick for Brunson?
Probably take at least Obi if they trade him
Then you're riding with Cam and Samanic at the 4
for now deoending on what eose comes back in trades
for now deoending on what eose comes back in trades
I guess you could shop Randle for another 4.
I don't agree he played well his first game back and needs a minute to get back in the flow.
IMO Randle is becoming a problem and I mean not just his play.
I think its Randle more than Kemba, Kemba hurts the D i dont think he is hurting Rj offensjvely
Outside of a blockbuster trade for a star I am not sure Thibs has a good feel for the right lineup and it's obvious the Knicks are babying Randle.
Wasnt there a story before the seasom that Thibs didnt make him a captain?
Wasnt there a story before the seasom that Thibs didnt make him a captain?
I wish he would at this point he obviously can't handle the pressure of being the #1 option and face of the franchise.
The boos are getting to him and the Knicks letting him off the hook in facing the media is a joke.
This entire situation is spiraling. This is becoming a little Joe Judge / Giants-esque. All we're asking for is competence and competitiveness. Not getting either.
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good time to make a trade
Kemba and DAL pick for Brunson?
Kemba is terrible now. Nobody wants him for an asset.
The Knicks are better off tearing it down than trading for someone that will give them a push. Randle is proving to be a 1 year wonder. Barrett is perhaps the 3-4 option on a contending team. Obi may bring back a pick. Fournier is a meh type player.
But there’s nothing the Knicks have that will bring back a number 1 type guy. Tear it down. Accumulate picks. Because there’s not a true mega star that’s coming to NY via trade or FA this or next year.
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good time to make a trade
Kemba and DAL pick for Brunson?
Kemba is terrible now. Nobody wants him for an asset.
The Knicks are better off tearing it down than trading for someone that will give them a push. Randle is proving to be a 1 year wonder. Barrett is perhaps the 3-4 option on a contending team. Obi may bring back a pick. Fournier is a meh type player.
But there’s nothing the Knicks have that will bring back a number 1 type guy. Tear it down. Accumulate picks. Because there’s not a true mega star that’s coming to NY via trade or FA this or next year.
Knicks have plenty of assets, they have something like 20 picks in the next 4 drafts..
Knicks have the assets to trade for a star, the problem right now is who that star is going to be..
The Knicks problem is their first round pick will never be that appealing for a megastar. That pick needs to be at least top 5, if not top 3. And the Knicks with the roster constructed will be a 7-8 playoff seed or a very low lottery pick. That’s not attractive enough. The Dallas pick is gonna be the high 10s or low 20s. Not attractive enough.
The warriors did plenty of shopping for the 8th and I believe the 14th pick and got no returns. No contending teams are giving the Knicks anything worth while.
I call the Knicks a team in purgatory. Not good enough to win it all. Not bad enough to be a team who can win the lottery. The thing that sucked for them was they were a pick away from Curry years back. A pick away from MoranT three years ago. They have had some bad luck. Waiting on a star to come to NY will just prolong the process.
Time for total reboot.
The Knicks problem is their first round pick will never be that appealing for a megastar. That pick needs to be at least top 5, if not top 3. And the Knicks with the roster constructed will be a 7-8 playoff seed or a very low lottery pick. That’s not attractive enough. The Dallas pick is gonna be the high 10s or low 20s. Not attractive enough.
The warriors did plenty of shopping for the 8th and I believe the 14th pick and got no returns. No contending teams are giving the Knicks anything worth while.
I call the Knicks a team in purgatory. Not good enough to win it all. Not bad enough to be a team who can win the lottery. The thing that sucked for them was they were a pick away from Curry years back. A pick away from MoranT three years ago. They have had some bad luck. Waiting on a star to come to NY will just prolong the process.
Time for total reboot.
Thats not exactly true, the Nets traded picks in the 20s for Harden..
and Knicks are not locked into anything all of their contracts except for fournier and Randle expire after next year..
Knicks are not locked into this roster they have plenty of flexibility..
It looks bad because Randle sucka right now but the Knicks are not stuck or locked in
I do agree knicks need to trade off some of the vets and let some of these young guys take over some of the minutes but tanking does nothing, it doesnt work..
Randle for Barnes and a 1st
offer up Burks around the League take a draft pick back..
Noel is ubtradeable because he is always hurt
Kemba is probably untradeable but i offer him up and then buy him out so he can look to go to a contender..
I keep Fournier but tell him he is coming off the bench..
Brunson, Rj,Reddish, Barnes, Mitch
bench Rose, Quick, Grimes, Taj
Mavs would get a lot more than Toppin at the trade line. They need to add talent for Luka not subtract it.
Mavs would get a lot more than Toppin at the trade line. They need to add talent for Luka not subtract it.
They arent paying Brunson plus he only makes 1.8 million, hard for them to get vets without adding more to the Brunson side..
Randle for Barnes and a 1st
offer up Burks around the League take a draft pick back..
Noel is ubtradeable because he is always hurt
Kemba is probably untradeable but i offer him up and then buy him out so he can look to go to a contender..
I keep Fournier but tell him he is coming off the bench..
Brunson, Rj,Reddish, Barnes, Mitch
bench Rose, Quick, Grimes, Taj
I’d be happy with this, only change is I would try to send out Grimes or Quickley for Brunson rather than Toppin. If they are trading Randle, Toppin actually will be able to see the court on a regular basis.
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Obi and a 1st for Brunson
Randle for Barnes and a 1st
offer up Burks around the League take a draft pick back..
Noel is ubtradeable because he is always hurt
Kemba is probably untradeable but i offer him up and then buy him out so he can look to go to a contender..
I keep Fournier but tell him he is coming off the bench..
Brunson, Rj,Reddish, Barnes, Mitch
bench Rose, Quick, Grimes, Taj
I’d be happy with this, only change is I would try to send out Grimes or Quickley for Brunson rather than Toppin. If they are trading Randle, Toppin actually will be able to see the court on a regular basis.
they might want Grimes or Quick instead, in that case i send out Quick
If Dallas were smart. They’d be talking to Indiana (another team who needs to trade) and try to work and get Sabonis. Another team would have to get involved. But Dallas needs talent around Luka and trading Brunson needs to land more than an Obi Toppin.
If Dallas were smart. They’d be talking to Indiana (another team who needs to trade) and try to work and get Sabonis. Another team would have to get involved. But Dallas needs talent around Luka and trading Brunson needs to land more than an Obi Toppin.
Brunson is a free agent they have no leverage, and the mavs have zero draft picks to move..
They dont have anything to get Sabonis..
Obi doesnt equal Brunson obviously but they dont have a choice if they arent resigning him
Remmeber - Dallas has a megastar. Megastars aren’t happy when you trade away one of the better players for scraps. Luka would never sign off on that deal.
Also said it would most likely be multiple teams
#2 if it’s only Barnes Bagley, Heild and Picks we could beat that if we have to (not sure I want to)
#3 back to #1. I’m moving someone soon just based on effort. Getting pissed off.