Does anyone else have a feeling this guy will end up moving into a backup role after next year (with another team) and at some point down the road become a good QB?
I get like a Rich Gannon vibe from him that he will be one of these late bloomers that puts up some good seasons late in his career. Just based on size, his running ability, solid deep ball accuracy, etc.
Don’t get me wrong, I think next season is his last in NY.
Those things just don’t come to you. He hasn’t gotten better in any of those areas in 3 years and is always hurt. He’s a great teammate, works hard. But he’s like an AOL dial up modem playing in 2022.
He'll get decent starter money, ala Cousins, from some team in 2023.
Maybe Daniel Jones will back on the Giants at that point when and if it ever happens...
New GM will come in and likely say, hey this guy has some talent, the offense has shown to be solid when he's got everything working. But if it continues to not work out, that's OK too, start fresh in 2023 with another QB from that draft class.
The smart move by the GM would be to take the best players available in the draft to rebuild the roster. However - if the GM wants to make a bold move and go for someone like Pickett in round 1 or Willis in round 2 - then you put that guy up against Jones in year 1 and play the best guy.
Those things just don’t come to you. He hasn’t gotten better in any of those areas in 3 years and is always hurt. He’s a great teammate, works hard. But he’s like an AOL dial up modem playing in 2022.
Well said... +1
I was really rooting hard for him to be the next Eli. He's such a likeable player.
I was wrong.
Maybe Daniel Jones will back on the Giants at that point when and if it ever happens...
Gannon was the league MVP in 2002.
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turning in some very strong seasons with Oakland in like his 12th season (approx) in the NFL. Recall he made some Pro Bowls and All-Pro teams as well.
Maybe Daniel Jones will back on the Giants at that point when and if it ever happens...
Gannon was the league MVP in 2002.
Maybe the 2000 season for the Giants would have ended differently if Gannon and Oakland had beaten Ravens in the AFCC...
It makes you wonder if you took a rookie Simms and dropped him into today’s NFL if he would have become a career backup after his rookie deal since he really didn’t emerge until year 5 or 6.
There is no great $$$ benefit to cutting him because you still need to replace him and we KNOW you need a decent backup which at this point maybe that is all Jones is. SO you give him next season (hopefully his neck is ok to play) in an open competition situation and go from there. Maybe his FA markt is not ideal and he stays on a 2nd contract at backup prices or not. Then there is the path where with better "OL, OC, OC system, poor drafting/scouting/cap managment" he starts to reach and show that potential again.
Barring some team like Seahawks\Texans\etc secretly thinks he can be good we are not trading for a vet QB that wants a fresh place to play.
The salary cap really hamstrings NFL teams from bringing QBs along like Simms.
Those days are over. If you can't hang by year 3 - you're out.
Have other teams experienced many of these problems to one extent or another? Yes, but I'm not sure another team experienced all of them, and to what extent. I think he has a lot to prove, but I don't think he should be written off just yet.
Just for record, I am no fan of Jones. I think he was one of Gettleman’s biggest mistake in overdrafting him. Jones at best was a 2nd round pick. But, to evaluate him behind arguably the worst Giants OL many ever seen, I’ve been watching since 1956, is risky. And, if you say what about the previous year, the line was pretty bad but the receivers were atrocious. I’m not saying Jones needs everything to be perfect but supporting players cannot be this bad. His rookie season was decent which leads me to believe there’s something there. He’s not a franchise QB by any measure but we don’t know what he’s capable of with a decent group around him.
And then I watch Jones play QB and nothing looks natural. So much of his game looks robotic and QBing-by-the-numbers. The look on his face screams anxiety and discomfort.
I can hear him having the conversation with himself when he gets the snap.
"Okay, three steps back...one, two, three..."
"Okay...now look left...now look right..."
"Okay...probably need to get rid it now..."
"Okay...throw it..."
"Damn."
Have other teams experienced many of these problems to one extent or another? Yes, but I'm not sure another team experienced all of them, and to what extent. I think he has a lot to prove, but I don't think he should be written off just yet.
I completely agree with this. I would like to see DJ have more than 1 second to scan the field before getting clobbered. I would also like to see him play in an offense that isn't complete crap as well.
Now, do I think DJ will be the next Mahomes if this happens? Absolutely not, but I still think he could be Jimmy G good which sometimes is all you need. The idea of starting new with an unproven QB doesn't excite me right now.
The salary cap really hamstrings NFL teams from bringing QBs along like Simms.
Those days are over. If you can't hang by year 3 - you're out.
Exactly, it’s one of the really disappointing aspects of free agency and the salary cap. You know there are players out there, particularly at QB, that may have been good with more time. Steve Young is another one that comes to mind in terms of blooming late in their career.
The other disappointing aspect of free agency to me is the downgrade in rivalries. You used to have players like LT, Carson, etc. that were more passionate about the team that drafted them and you could tell they truly hated the Cowboys, Eagles, etc. You could see them up the intensity for those matchups. Now it’s like they may be playing for that team next year so can’t really burn bridges.
And then I watch Jones play QB and nothing looks natural. So much of his game looks robotic and QBing-by-the-numbers. The look on his face screams anxiety and discomfort.
I'll bet he's a great QB in the classroom. Unfortunately at game speed it just isn't there, and there's no shame in that, it's an incredibly difficult position to play.
He'll be valuable to someone as a backup someday.
Those things just don’t come to you. He hasn’t gotten better in any of those areas in 3 years and is always hurt. He’s a great teammate, works hard. But he’s like an AOL dial up modem playing in 2022.
There's a lot more wrong with Jones' game than just that.
Jones is also inaccurate, consistently throwing to the wrong side of the receiver. He doesn't go through progressions well. He panics. He makes bad decisions. He coughs up the ball. And more.
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to his rookie season. He played ver well, set some rookie records as I recall. The only problem then was the fumbles and he has appeared to fix that. So what happened the last 2 years? Complete team chaos. New coaches (now gone), new OC's (now gone), incredible number of injuries (!), Covid, etc.
Have other teams experienced many of these problems to one extent or another? Yes, but I'm not sure another team experienced all of them, and to what extent. I think he has a lot to prove, but I don't think he should be written off just yet.
I completely agree with this. I would like to see DJ have more than 1 second to scan the field before getting clobbered. I would also like to see him play in an offense that isn't complete crap as well.
Now, do I think DJ will be the next Mahomes if this happens? Absolutely not, but I still think he could be Jimmy G good which sometimes is all you need. The idea of starting new with an unproven QB doesn't excite me right now.
even Jimmy G's team wants to get rid of Jimmy G. And you think we should wait for a QB who isn't even as good as Jimmy G to maybe eventually become as good as Jimmy G. See the problem here?
Have other teams experienced many of these problems to one extent or another? Yes, but I'm not sure another team experienced all of them, and to what extent. I think he has a lot to prove, but I don't think he should be written off just yet.
Would suggest that the fumbling was not his only problem as a rookie. Yes, he set some records but its been pointed out he really shined in only about 3 games that season and against some bottom-feeders. The rest of the games he struggled producing much at all.
And now his next two years in 2020 & 2021 have gone more like all those other games his rookie year where he had far less production, basically a TD to INT ratio of about 1:1, and not getting it done in the red zone.
He looks to be back-up QB material...
Two things I think are true about his rookie year:
1.) he got fat on some historically awful defenses that year
2.) NFL teams had little film on DJ at the NFL level - there's always an adjustment period in the NFL.
He'll get decent starter money, ala Cousins, from some team in 2023.
Cousins performed at a level many times better than Jones has to get that big contract from Minny. Jones ain't getting Cousins money.
Andy Reid ditched Alex Smith, a QB who was better than Jones, to go with Pat Mahomes. So, Andy Reid isn't waiting for mediocre talents to pan out Unless the point of your comment is that you think Patrick Mahomes is an average QB..
He hasn't shown he can be a member of a high-scoring offense without committing too many turnovers.
Chances are, when the offense becomes more normal and we rely on him to be productive, he will revert to the old Daniel Jones, and play like Blake Bortles.
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to his rookie season. He played ver well, set some rookie records as I recall. The only problem then was the fumbles and he has appeared to fix that. So what happened the last 2 years? Complete team chaos. New coaches (now gone), new OC's (now gone), incredible number of injuries (!), Covid, etc.
Have other teams experienced many of these problems to one extent or another? Yes, but I'm not sure another team experienced all of them, and to what extent. I think he has a lot to prove, but I don't think he should be written off just yet.
I completely agree with this. I would like to see DJ have more than 1 second to scan the field before getting clobbered. I would also like to see him play in an offense that isn't complete crap as well.
Now, do I think DJ will be the next Mahomes if this happens? Absolutely not, but I still think he could be Jimmy G good which sometimes is all you need. The idea of starting new with an unproven QB doesn't excite me right now.
"Jimmy G good" is what led a smart front office to trade up to go find someone better than "Jimmy G good."
DJ's price tag is going to escalate in 11 months. No smart front office can commit to him beyond this year based on what he's shown so far.
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a fringe starter in this league, he will probably have a long career as a backup at worst. (unknown injury notwithstanding)
He'll get decent starter money, ala Cousins, from some team in 2023.
Cousins performed at a level many times better than Jones has to get that big contract from Minny. Jones ain't getting Cousins money.
Agreed, Cousins was a pretty solid QB in Washington. He had definitely shown more than Jones. I do think Washington made the right move there. Cousins is one of those QB’s who puts up some nice stat lines, but he doesn’t seem like the guy who is going to get you that ring. But he was for sure better than Jones after year 3.
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a fringe starter in this league, he will probably have a long career as a backup at worst. (unknown injury notwithstanding)
He'll get decent starter money, ala Cousins, from some team in 2023.
Cousins performed at a level many times better than Jones has to get that big contract from Minny. Jones ain't getting Cousins money.
Agreed, Cousins was a pretty solid QB in Washington. He had definitely shown more than Jones. I do think Washington made the right move there. Cousins is one of those QB’s who puts up some nice stat lines, but he doesn’t seem like the guy who is going to get you that ring. But he was for sure better than Jones after year 3.
Cousins laps Jones every week. We'd be extremely fortunate for Jones to replicate Cousins' career path.
Never feels the rush, rarely makes plays, always indecisive, super slow thru progressions.
Bring in a one year vet QB and trade DJ for anything you can get.
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a fringe starter in this league, he will probably have a long career as a backup at worst. (unknown injury notwithstanding)
He'll get decent starter money, ala Cousins, from some team in 2023.
Cousins performed at a level many times better than Jones has to get that big contract from Minny. Jones ain't getting Cousins money.
Agreed, Cousins was a pretty solid QB in Washington. He had definitely shown more than Jones. I do think Washington made the right move there. Cousins is one of those QB’s who puts up some nice stat lines, but he doesn’t seem like the guy who is going to get you that ring. But he was for sure better than Jones after year 3.
Cousins laps Jones every week. We'd be extremely fortunate for Jones to replicate Cousins' career path.
Yes, I'd be jumping for joy, to be honest, and it's not even clear Cousins is good enough.
Let Jones either blossom or fail in a hopefully modern offensive system, either way, you have your answer going into the 2023 draft.
I think this year's picks are best used to infuse talent in other areas of the roster. That will benefit whoever the QB is going forward.
All that said, I still wouldn't be shocked by a Russell Wilson or Deshaun Watson trade. I feel a power move coming.
With better coaching we are likely out of that anyway. No matter what happens the Jets, Lions, Jags and probably a couple of surprises will suck too.
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Rodgers, Mahomes, Herbert, Brady - any of the top tier guys - they just look natural in the pocket. They look like they were born to play the position. Our very own Eli looked that way.
And then I watch Jones play QB and nothing looks natural. So much of his game looks robotic and QBing-by-the-numbers. The look on his face screams anxiety and discomfort.
I'll bet he's a great QB in the classroom. Unfortunately at game speed it just isn't there, and there's no shame in that, it's an incredibly difficult position to play.
He'll be valuable to someone as a backup someday.
The best thing for Daniel Jones right now, assuming he is able to resume playing, is a change of scenery. Chance to reboot with a clean slate - new city, new team, new fans, etc.
We need to either cut him or trade him before 2022. Not another season here. The time is now to begin the post-Jones era.
If we're in the running for Young/Stroud weed better be drafting Will Anderson.
That's the flaw in the "wait for 2023 for the QB" logic. Why is it ok to force QB in 2023 but not 2022?
For once I feel this group of candidates will be honest in their assessment of Jones or any other player currently on the roster. Not just lip service for Mara's sake.
Here's hoping anyway.
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GM candidate thinks of DJ moving forward. You know that’s one question they were most certainly asked..
For once I feel this group of candidates will be honest in their assessment of Jones or any other player currently on the roster. Not just lip service for Mara's sake.
Here's hoping anyway.
amen, to that brother..
Are you suggesting we should keep him on the team for 8 years in the hopes that by 2030 he'll be able to make a run at a Super Bowl?
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because if you get him an OL, he is good enough to take us out of the running for Young/Stroud.
If we're in the running for Young/Stroud weed better be drafting Will Anderson.
That's the flaw in the "wait for 2023 for the QB" logic. Why is it ok to force QB in 2023 but not 2022?
Because there are QB's in the 2023 Draft who look like longterm answers at the position and can start immediately as a rookie whereas there isn't one in the 2022 Draft
I think the dreamland comp for Jones is Cam Newton. Big, strong, fast, very limited passer who is dangerous running the ball. The problem is Jones lacks Newton's instincts as a ball carrier.