Along with the return of Saquon Barkley, Kenny Golladay and Kadarius Toney were supposed to ignite the team's offense this year.
Saquon was a major disappointment and no longer looks like the same player. He's been well discussed on BBI.
But it is absolutely astounding how unproductive Golladay and Toney were.
Golladay (4-years, $72 million) started 14 games and missed three with a knee injury. He finished the season with just 37 catches for 521 yards and no touchdowns.
Toney was our first-round pick. His rookie season was virtually wiped out due to multiple health issues, including two bouts with COVID and hamstring, ankle, thumb, quad, oblique, and shoulder injuries. Toney did play in 10 games, with four starts, but he finished the year with just 39 catches for 420 yards and no touchdowns.
hopefully he is working on his other craft
Yup. But if you look back on his game-by-game productivity, aside from a few plays here and there, everyone seems to be basing their hopes on one game - the Week 5 performance against the Cowboys.
I had to go game by game to see why he was out or not getting a lot of snaps each week. Look at the ridiculous list of different types of injuries he had in ONE season.
And what appear to be penchants for nagging injuries killing availability.
Toney you can only hope recovers and plays better next year. I have less hope for him because his whole year was drama- the mini camp issue, camp issue, then being sick twice and getting hurt every time he played. Not sure he can be counted on.
Receiver and TE are huge needs for this team.
Losing Shep hurts so we need some depth, but in terms of talent, WR is merely "below average" whereas most of our other groups are "near the worst in the league"
As far as Golliday I don't like WR's who get no separation at all.Gettlemen bid against himself when he signed KG to this albatross contract. Shameful!!!
I didn't want to draft Toney because of his injury history and off the field issues. I wanted Paye or maybe Darrisaw. Toney looks like a more electric version of Ike Hilliard, who also had injury problems.
Golladay was just a massive overpay. Nobody else offered him anywhere what we did. DG tried to trade for him during the 2020 season IIRC. I'd cut him if at all possible, especially since absent a major turnaround, I don't see him on the team after 2022.
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Like WR, OL, and DB, WR is yet another position group on which we spent a ton of resources with very few results.
And then he brought in a shitload of hurt guys.
I thought Toney mostly looked great when he played, but he was hurt too often. Is he the Ferrari that's always in the shop? Hopefully it won't be a yearly trend.
Golliday was also hurt a lot, which has been his issue historically. But unlike Toney, he didn't look like much when he was on the field. I don't know how much of that was the failed offensive design, the failed pass protection, the back up QBs. He appears impossible to cut at the moment because of his contract, so hopefully a revamped offense will get more out of him. IF he can stay on the field.
Same thing goes for Golladay when he's 1-on-1 down the field. And yes, there were a lot of times when the QB didn't have time to get the ball down the field, but there were plenty of times that he did too. And he didn't.
Having talented guys at the skill positions is supposed to make your job as a coach easier. The Giants' staff refused to take that opportunity.
As Jon C said 10 cent head. I grimmaced at the pick when they announced it. But figured "hey what do I know"?
He is the first guy new HC needs to talk to .
I’m not ready to write Toney off after one season, and I think he can be a plus contributor to an offense run by a modern staff who knows how to use him.
The other thing that can’t be discounted is that when these guys did play, look at the inept offense and shitty QBs they had to play with. I don’t think any WRs would put up good numbers with those QBs.
Golladay and Toney gave us nothing to think they'll be reliable, Shep may not be back and Slayton took a leap backwards. We (still) need a few WRs to have an adequate group...
Golladay, I'm alittle more hopeful for. He was terrible last year, but he just led all WR's in TD's just 2 years ago...with the LIONS. I think his struggles were more due to the terrible QB/OL play and terrible coaching. While I feel like Toney's struggles were alot more due to his own shortcomings.
With the obvious push by the front office last year on the WR position though I do feel it was our bigest failure.
I said after his rookie year that I wasn't sold on Slayton because his hands aren't particularly good and man did people get pissed about that. But they're not. Useful depth receiver, but if he's one of your starters, then you're weak at the position.
Toney will be what he has always been, often injured and not entirely focused on football. I don't begrudge him trying for a recording career, but he needs to understand that he would never have that chance if it wasn't for his football skill.
Both players are exact examples of the type of player DG said we should avoid - "hurt players get hurt". Why would we think DG would listen to anyone else's advice when he wouldn't even listen to his own?
Golladay has to be the biggest flop of a FA signing in Giants history. After all the F-ing wining and dining and meetings and culture and he absolutely sucked!
Toney looks like another shitty draft pick that will probably never contribute much to this team. We all saw this the first day he showed up when he was running around barefoot because of some stupid sneaker/cleat issue. This guy has "high maintenance" written all over him and it is highly doubtful he is productive.
Why blame Judge and Garrett? They didn't draft Barkley and Toney or sign Golladay. That waste of GM did.
It sounds like excuse making for Jones, but as a fan it was the most frustrating year I have ever experienced. We led the league with injuries, but it was even worse than that because these three were all out during the entire preseason. You can’t make this stuff up.
Zero touchdowns is actually quite a dubious feat...I will give you that. But this NY Giant offense has been anything but a plug-n-play type of environment of the past few years despite our hopes and expectations praying for it...
I still don't understand why Gettleman didn't sense he was on the hot seat. He was ok with accepting a weakened draft last year for the potential of a stronger draft this year. To me that was another example of how much of an ass clown he is. He never stopped to think if the trade didn't work, he'd never make it to this year's draft.
Second, our S and C and nutrition coach’s should have been fired also e cause our players were regularly out muscled.
Third, KG was a health issue coming in and significantly over-courted, plus seems to be a business decision making player.
I too hope new coaching and schemes can make both players play closer to their maximum potential .
Loved his TD pass too
Our OL sucked
Our QB sucked
The first one will change. You have to think our 2nd has to get better with the first being changed. And maybe the QB play will be better with the first two changing.
The injuries are what piss me off. If these 2 can stay healthy, they are more than capable of being two better than average players.
I’m not giving up on these 2. I think injuries and the shit around them affected them more than what we believe.
Even if you get some come-back to normal for Golladay and Toney, neither are long-term fits based on their profiles, injury history, cap hit with Golladay especially and new regime coming in with new schemes likely.
WR, aside from QB, RB, TE becomes a need sooner than later.
It's why it is going to be fascinating to see the rebuild vision and strategy take place. If the new GM/HC don't take right approach, we are very very screwed.
I still don't understand why Gettleman didn't sense he was on the hot seat. He was ok with accepting a weakened draft last year for the potential of a stronger draft this year. To me that was another example of how much of an ass clown he is. He never stopped to think if the trade didn't work, he'd never make it to this year's draft.
You can also say that he did what was right for the organization and not just his career. I'm not a Gettleman fan, but if he turned it down everyone would be complaining he was trying to save his job more than help the team.
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this year, or was this Gettleman's last failure in the draft for us?
I still don't understand why Gettleman didn't sense he was on the hot seat. He was ok with accepting a weakened draft last year for the potential of a stronger draft this year. To me that was another example of how much of an ass clown he is. He never stopped to think if the trade didn't work, he'd never make it to this year's draft.
You can also say that he did what was right for the organization and not just his career. I'm not a Gettleman fan, but if he turned it down everyone would be complaining he was trying to save his job more than help the team.
That's a fair point. In this case however had he been more in self preservation mode, we would have gotten a legit 1st rounder. A bird in the hand as they say.
With Jones: 61.3% of catch rate
With Glennon/Fromm: 35% of catch rate
For a guy who's not a short yardage, YAC kind of player, 61.3 is pretty solid. With a decent QB, and an offensive system taking advantage of his style, aka downfield posts, back shoulder throws, and so on, he'll thrive. He was used like shit.
I think Toney is an enigma. Super talented. Stay on the field, and we'll see. With an intelligent and modern coordinator, Toney will kill defenses with his moves. Screens, shovel passes, these YAC based types of plays and formations that didn't utilize him properly or when to as for that matter, at all.
Maybe we could have done better than Toney, but we should add in our trade down return to the equation.
Golladay is the more concerning of the 2. He was available, but added little, while costing a lot. Hopefully, the situation starts looking better, and he puts in some effort. Looked like he mostly just went through the motions on a shitty team.