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In comment 15562732 JonC said: Quote: In comment 15562692 Chris684 said: Quote: In comment 15562683 JonC said: Quote: and Ryans for HC. I think it will be Schoen, he's also a strong choice imo, and bonus points for Josh Allen as he will need to find our QB. Who would you like to see him hitch his wagon to at HC? Daboll worries me, as does any young coordinator who is paired up with a stud QB. Even more so with where NYG and its fanbase stand right now. Patience is not going to be popular around here. Whomever they hire it needs to be acknowledged the QB situation is an issue. Perhaps they draft a guy this year they feel is a better option than Jones, perhaps they run with Jones as a reclamation project with veteran competition and/or lower draft pick. Ultimately, it's a wait and see. Daboll is interesting due to his success developing a scheme, and a QB in Allen, who is talented but very raw and still a work in progress put up big numbers and success. He's been able to tailor his scheme to the QBs he has, and if Schoen brings him in then I'll get onboard. Interestingly enough, Daboll has had Trubisky up there who I've felt is a great option for a bridge QB competition with Jones if they feel the franchise option is not there this offseason. Let Jones and Trubisky battle it out for a year and perhaps if you get really lucky, maybe a light bulb turns on for one along the way.

If they don't love a QB in this draft, it's going to be a year about seeing who should stay and stripping this roster and cap down, and two QBs like them could serve as bridges and last chance looks. But, if they don't trade Jones I'd try and sign Foles, Tyrod, Brissett, a vet QB who can actually run an NFL offense and be competitive. Mitch might be as shot as Jones.

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In comment 15562796 cosmicj said:

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In comment 15562683 JonC said:

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and Ryans for HC. I think it will be Schoen, he's also a strong choice imo, and bonus points for Josh Allen as he will need to find our QB.

DeMeco Ryans has only been a DC for 1 year. Isn’t that a little concerning?

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In comment 15562796 cosmicj said: Quote: Upgrade. Never forget.

Whoever we hire, I just hope our 2 computer guys have finished the Windows 98 upgrade in time for the draft

to do the heavy lifting on the administrative side -- reconstructing the whole scouting organization and implementing a whole new system, philosophy, and process. This will be a major part of the job imo in addition to the draft and personnel decisions

I thought on the last Cowboys drive of the game he made a bad strategic decision not to defend the sidelines on the first 3 plays as the Cowboys moved the ball 40 yards easily stopping the clock. It drove me crazy. Other than that I really liked how the 49er’s played defense.
I was more impressed the week earlier where he made some serious half time adjustments to throttle the Rams.
BTW, I am all in on Peters as the next GM

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In comment 15562683 JonC said: Quote: and Ryans for HC. I think it will be Schoen, he's also a strong choice imo, and bonus points for Josh Allen as he will need to find our QB. DeMeco Ryans has only been a DC for 1 year. Isn’t that a little concerning?

Sure it is, there really isn't a candidate available right now that has no red flags of any kind. I'm looking for a coordinator who has his unit playing at a high level, a style and attitude of football I want the Giants to play. Daboll is looking like a quality system builder, but his cv is limited as well. That's two of the hot coords out there right now. There's a fairly good chance this hire won't work out either, got to go with your gut and make the best hire you're able to make. Same with QB. For example, when the Giants hired Shurmur my attention was on Vrabel and Reich, if that helps.

I don't think Harbaugh's an option, and the other retreads for HC really don't move me. I don't want to hire a problem child, which is where I file Brian Flores.

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I thought on the last Cowboys drive of the game he made a bad strategic decision not to defend the sidelines on the first 3 plays as the Cowboys moved the ball 40 yards easily stopping the clock. It drove me crazy. Other than that I really liked how the 49er’s played defense. I was more impressed the week earlier where he made some serious half time adjustments to throttle the Rams. BTW, I am all in on Peters as the next GM

I understood the decisions actually in a strategic sense even if they made people uneasy on how it played out down to down tactically. In a way, he made the decision to take out half of their playbook in that situation and force low leverage, high percentage, short yardage plays and given the timeouts expended in full, you had an OC, HC, QB scrambling in desperation and their post game pressers showed they had no clue what they were doing (McCarthy is a known liar and I consider him a coaching fraud now at this point).

One of the plays was blown by the corner who was playing too far off of his designated zone of responsibility and let Schultz get free for extra 6-8 yards.

No matter which of the finalists gets hired, we can't go wrong - at least that's how it seems in January of 2022.

Progress!

Hopefully the HC situation lays out in a similar way.

In comment 15562854 JonC said:

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In comment 15562809 Tittle 9 20 64 said: Quote: In comment 15562683 JonC said: Quote: and Ryans for HC. I think it will be Schoen, he's also a strong choice imo, and bonus points for Josh Allen as he will need to find our QB. DeMeco Ryans has only been a DC for 1 year. Isn’t that a little concerning? Sure it is, there really isn't a candidate available right now that has no red flags of any kind. I'm looking for a coordinator who has his unit playing at a high level, a style and attitude of football I want the Giants to play. Daboll is looking like a quality system builder, but his cv is limited as well. That's two of the hot coords out there right now. There's a fairly good chance this hire won't work out either, got to go with your gut and make the best hire you're able to make. Same with QB. For example, when the Giants hired Shurmur my attention was on Vrabel and Reich, if that helps. I don't think Harbaugh's an option, and the other retreads for HC really don't move me. I don't want to hire a problem child, which is where I file Brian Flores.

Yet again you and I find ourselves in common ground and agreement.

I like the prospects of Ryans. I think he'll be offered a HC job before he turns 40 even, if it's not us this year. He has a strong feel for defensive football and players mentality, good communicator. I get Vrabel vibes with him too a bit, which is good.

but I want to say the cushion given was just too much, moreso than giving them the sidelines. Most DCs won't squeeze the boundary too much in the NFL, because they don't want to surrender the big chunks in the middle of the field unless time is on their side. You've got to shrink the cushion and make the tackle to limit the YAC and perhaps a stop before getting out of bounds. I do see the logic in wanting to protect the boundary.

In comment 15562840 Rick in Dallas said:

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I thought on the last Cowboys drive of the game he made a bad strategic decision not to defend the sidelines on the first 3 plays as the Cowboys moved the ball 40 yards easily stopping the clock. It drove me crazy. Other than that I really liked how the 49er’s played defense. I was more impressed the week earlier where he made some serious half time adjustments to throttle the Rams. BTW, I am all in on Peters as the next GM

Didn't like it either as if the SF Defense wasn't ready or thinking about the situation there. They adjusted after those first 3 plays and were fortunate Dallas made a bigger gaffe.

To his credit, Ryans' defense did have a nice year in terms of production, and he had argubaly his two best defenders out of the game when it came down to the wire. Seems like his star is on the rise...

Yup, Ryans was an on-field general as a player and word is it has carried over to his DC performance. Dude's a dynamo, you can sense it about him when he speaks and when he's working the games. I'm willing to roll the dice on him especially if one of these GMs agrees he's worth the hire. This is the chance for fresh air we've been looking for! I looked at Vrabel similarly, versatile and smart hungry player who made plays, was part of winning the biggest games, brings the same elements to his role as HC.

Everything you hear about him, is just showering him with praise. Through his career, he was that Antonio Pierce-like coach ont he field, so his understanding as a coach probably extends beyond what is on his resume. I linked a good read below which I'm sure some of read already.

I would be in favor of him but they would need to figure out who he had in mind to run his offense in the interviews. He's been with SF his entire coaching career and that offensive coaching tree has been picked clean recently. That's not to say he doesn't have other contacts around the league but that would be my concern with him.
Good Ryans article written before the season - ( New Window )

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In comment 15562875 JonC said:

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Yup, Ryans was an on-field general as a player and word is it has carried over to his DC performance. Dude's a dynamo, you can sense it about him when he speaks and when he's working the games. I'm willing to roll the dice on him especially if one of these GMs agrees he's worth the hire. This is the chance for fresh air we've been looking for! I looked at Vrabel similarly, versatile and smart hungry player who made plays, was part of winning the biggest games, brings the same elements to his role as HC.

100% agree. Ryans is one of my favorites and its why I prefer a Peters/Ryans combo.

Sure he could have called the last few plays against Dallas differently but he is a new DC he should learn from that.

For almost the entire game I was super impressed with his gameplan.

In comment 15562662 BLUATHRT said:

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In comment 15562542 Sammo85 said: Quote: In comment 15562521 BLUATHRT said: Quote: I have a friend that works in the Bill's front office who is close with him. Is this legit or a passive joke? This is legit. I'm not joking. He simply told me "by all indications he is coming your way" when I asked if he knew anything.

Just am curious, did he mention who Schoen would bring on as a HC? Any favorites in that regard, or you just know that he mentioned Schoen will be GM?

Anyone been out at the Tik Tok Diner recently? I would expect the news to leak out there first! ;)

If I were to take a guess, I'd lean towards Peters, but if I had to put money down (can you bet on this now?), I'd put it on Shoen.

on Hortiz for those asking.

One of my best friends is a writer for SI. He told me the other day that DeCosta was advising Hortiz to not take the Giants job if offered. He said Ravens front office people rarely leave no matter what position they are in unless its a near perfect fit. Ravens pay their front office guys incredibly well so they take the money part of it out of the equation.

There were reports of Hortiz hitting the 1st interview out of the park. He said he heard that he had a great 1st interview but wouldn't take the job if it were offered. I dont know this for a fact but it definitely seems like he turned down a 2nd interview.

Also heard that ownership issues were not an issue for Hortiz or other candidates. For Hortiz the roster being at best the 2nd or 3rd worst in the league was a much bigger issue. Yes there are 2 first rounders and ownership is definitely going to give this GM a lot of time, but the cupbaord is totally bare. It's a omplete rebuild without cap space to do anything this off-season and the future QB not in place.

The Giants don't have more than 1 or 2 building blocks and they have zero depth on the roster. Some candidates may look at it as a good fit to be GM because you will get to start from scratch and have a lot of time to turn it around but for a guy like Hortiz coming into this situation and leaving a place where he has been forever and already makes big money just didn't make sense.

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What's wrong with recognizing talented, successful football operations and trying to lure away one of their promising front office execs to build the Giants?

Not sure what you mean. The point of my post was that people here are expressing such definitive preferences for one of these three over the others, when no one here really knows anything about them - including, as someone here put it, whether they are riding the coattails of others, not to mention how they come off in interviews and exactly what their plans are for the organization.

From interviewing many candidates for jobs over the years, I can tell you that solid credentials on paper are one thing, but speaking to a candidate in person and taking their measure face-to-face is quite another.

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None of us has ever met these people, none of us know what was said to ownership during the interviews, none of us know how they comported themselves, etc. Just cross your fingers, whoever is chosen.

BINGO!

In comment 15562936 Mook80 said:

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Also heard that ownership issues were not an issue for Hortiz or other candidates. For Hortiz the roster being at best the 2nd or 3rd worst in the league was a much bigger issue. Yes there are 2 first rounders and ownership is definitely going to give this GM a lot of time, but the cupbaord is totally bare. It's a omplete rebuild without cap space to do anything this off-season and the future QB not in place. The Giants don't have more than 1 or 2 building blocks and they have zero depth on the roster. Some candidates may look at it as a good fit to be GM because you will get to start from scratch and have a lot of time to turn it around but for a guy like Hortiz coming into this situation and leaving a place where he has been forever and already makes big money just didn't make sense.

Ha ha! Can we get Gettleman back in the building just to fire him please?

In comment 15562936 Mook80 said:

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Also heard that ownership issues were not an issue for Hortiz or other candidates. For Hortiz the roster being at best the 2nd or 3rd worst in the league was a much bigger issue. Yes there are 2 first rounders and ownership is definitely going to give this GM a lot of time, but the cupbaord is totally bare. It's a omplete rebuild without cap space to do anything this off-season and the future QB not in place. The Giants don't have more than 1 or 2 building blocks and they have zero depth on the roster. Some candidates may look at it as a good fit to be GM because you will get to start from scratch and have a lot of time to turn it around but for a guy like Hortiz coming into this situation and leaving a place where he has been forever and already makes big money just didn't make sense.

More good intel. Hard to argue with the point that we have one of the worst rosters in the NFL.

Which leads me to believe that Hortiz would want to jettison DJ for another solution. The absolute right call.

I said earlier today that the length of the contract to the GM is going to be interesting. We are in such a downward spiral that I think we are looking at a six-year deal here. Which should give any GM a lot of comfort and job security.

Ryans as HC would definitely be a fresh and exciting choice

also the head coach should be the offensive guy. look around the league. if the HC is a defensive guy the minute the offense has success they lose the OC to a head caoching job and an entirely new scheme needs to be installed.

i think Ryans would be seen more as a head coach type because of the leadership abilities

In comment 15562936 Mook80 said:

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on Hortiz for those asking. One of my best friends is a writer for SI. He told me the other day that DeCosta was advising Hortiz to not take the Giants job if offered. He said Ravens front office people rarely leave no matter what position they are in unless its a near perfect fit. Ravens pay their front office guys incredibly well so they take the money part of it out of the equation. There were reports of Hortiz hitting the 1st interview out of the park. He said he heard that he had a great 1st interview but wouldn't take the job if it were offered. I dont know this for a fact but it definitely seems like he turned down a 2nd interview. Also heard that ownership issues were not an issue for Hortiz or other candidates. For Hortiz the roster being at best the 2nd or 3rd worst in the league was a much bigger issue. Yes there are 2 first rounders and ownership is definitely going to give this GM a lot of time, but the cupbaord is totally bare. It's a omplete rebuild without cap space to do anything this off-season and the future QB not in place. The Giants don't have more than 1 or 2 building blocks and they have zero depth on the roster. Some candidates may look at it as a good fit to be GM because you will get to start from scratch and have a lot of time to turn it around but for a guy like Hortiz coming into this situation and leaving a place where he has been forever and already makes big money just didn't make sense.

Mook - thanks for sharing. Disappointing if true about the poor roster scaring any good candidate away but quite possible.

Was hoping that as long as a guy could get comfortable the owners weren't putting any mandates on him with Jones, Saquon or the like that a rebuild would be a nice challenging opportunity. Especially with a decent amount of picks at your disposal and following in the steps of a moron that only won 30% of time to only make your chance at upside that much more likely...

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Especially with a decent amount of picks at your disposal and following in the steps of a moron that only won 30% of time to only make your chance at upside that much more likely...

Please don't round up. The "winning" % was 29%. ;)

Hortiz get your ass back in that interview room...

In comment 15562936 Mook80 said:

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on Hortiz for those asking. One of my best friends is a writer for SI. He told me the other day that DeCosta was advising Hortiz to not take the Giants job if offered. He said Ravens front office people rarely leave no matter what position they are in unless its a near perfect fit. Ravens pay their front office guys incredibly well so they take the money part of it out of the equation. There were reports of Hortiz hitting the 1st interview out of the park. He said he heard that he had a great 1st interview but wouldn't take the job if it were offered. I dont know this for a fact but it definitely seems like he turned down a 2nd interview. Also heard that ownership issues were not an issue for Hortiz or other candidates. For Hortiz the roster being at best the 2nd or 3rd worst in the league was a much bigger issue. Yes there are 2 first rounders and ownership is definitely going to give this GM a lot of time, but the cupbaord is totally bare. It's a omplete rebuild without cap space to do anything this off-season and the future QB not in place. The Giants don't have more than 1 or 2 building blocks and they have zero depth on the roster. Some candidates may look at it as a good fit to be GM because you will get to start from scratch and have a lot of time to turn it around but for a guy like Hortiz coming into this situation and leaving a place where he has been forever and already makes big money just didn't make sense.

Tha k you. I actually feel pretty good about that

It is a big shitty difficult job that lays ahead.

I actually respect that he said not for me. Especially considering he has no experience rebuilding from ashes or working outside ideal conditions

In comment 15562936 Mook80 said:

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on Hortiz for those asking. One of my best friends is a writer for SI. He told me the other day that DeCosta was advising Hortiz to not take the Giants job if offered. He said Ravens front office people rarely leave no matter what position they are in unless its a near perfect fit. Ravens pay their front office guys incredibly well so they take the money part of it out of the equation. There were reports of Hortiz hitting the 1st interview out of the park. He said he heard that he had a great 1st interview but wouldn't take the job if it were offered. I dont know this for a fact but it definitely seems like he turned down a 2nd interview. Also heard that ownership issues were not an issue for Hortiz or other candidates. For Hortiz the roster being at best the 2nd or 3rd worst in the league was a much bigger issue. Yes there are 2 first rounders and ownership is definitely going to give this GM a lot of time, but the cupbaord is totally bare. It's a omplete rebuild without cap space to do anything this off-season and the future QB not in place. The Giants don't have more than 1 or 2 building blocks and they have zero depth on the roster. Some candidates may look at it as a good fit to be GM because you will get to start from scratch and have a lot of time to turn it around but for a guy like Hortiz coming into this situation and leaving a place where he has been forever and already makes big money just didn't make sense.

I have no problem with someone waiting for a really good situation, but if the Giants had any of those things (like talent on the roster or a QB), they wouldn’t be hiring a new GM or their fourth new coach in seven years.

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In comment 15562585 adamg said: Quote: In comment 15562573 leatherneck570 said: Quote: In comment 15562528 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: None match up to Gettleman. Beg him to come out of his hard-earned retirement. Is this a joke? Agreed. I don't see Gettleman coming out of retirement after the success he's had. A long storied career and off into the sunset like Cincinnatus. Ummmm ..... seriously? You really aren't sure if this is a joke?

Yep.

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In comment 15562936 Mook80 said: Quote: on Hortiz for those asking. One of my best friends is a writer for SI. He told me the other day that DeCosta was advising Hortiz to not take the Giants job if offered. He said Ravens front office people rarely leave no matter what position they are in unless its a near perfect fit. Ravens pay their front office guys incredibly well so they take the money part of it out of the equation. There were reports of Hortiz hitting the 1st interview out of the park. He said he heard that he had a great 1st interview but wouldn't take the job if it were offered. I dont know this for a fact but it definitely seems like he turned down a 2nd interview. Also heard that ownership issues were not an issue for Hortiz or other candidates. For Hortiz the roster being at best the 2nd or 3rd worst in the league was a much bigger issue. Yes there are 2 first rounders and ownership is definitely going to give this GM a lot of time, but the cupbaord is totally bare. It's a omplete rebuild without cap space to do anything this off-season and the future QB not in place. The Giants don't have more than 1 or 2 building blocks and they have zero depth on the roster. Some candidates may look at it as a good fit to be GM because you will get to start from scratch and have a lot of time to turn it around but for a guy like Hortiz coming into this situation and leaving a place where he has been forever and already makes big money just didn't make sense. I have no problem with someone waiting for a really good situation, but if the Giants had any of those things (like talent on the roster or a QB), they wouldn’t be hiring a new GM or their fourth new coach in seven years.

They should have some talent on the roster simply from picking top 10 in 4 consecutive years. Really outside of Thomas the roster is incredibly bare. So much dead weight everywhere. Being bad and needing a new GM doesn't automatically mean your roster is totally bare.

I’m not sure if you changed your handle or this is another Mook

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I’m not sure if you changed your handle or this is another Mook

Hey Bruce. This is the same Mook. I got into it with some here a while ago and wound up asking for my account to be deleted. Came back a couple months later with the new handle

In comment 15563112 Mook80 said:

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In comment 15563098 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: I’m not sure if you changed your handle or this is another Mook Hey Bruce. This is the same Mook. I got into it with some here a while ago and wound up asking for my account to be deleted. Came back a couple months later with the new handle

Good. Glad you’re here, my friend..

We wouldn’t want anyone too afraid of the moment or worried about comfort level. Again, IF true.

Besides, not going to argue the roster is filled with talent but only 1 or 2 building blocks is a bit of an exaggeration.

5 premium draft picks, a salary cap situation that doesn’t look bad after this season and a chance to come in and identify and build around your QB.

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In comment 15562936 Mook80 said: Quote: Also heard that ownership issues were not an issue for Hortiz or other candidates. For Hortiz the roster being at best the 2nd or 3rd worst in the league was a much bigger issue. Yes there are 2 first rounders and ownership is definitely going to give this GM a lot of time, but the cupbaord is totally bare. It's a omplete rebuild without cap space to do anything this off-season and the future QB not in place. The Giants don't have more than 1 or 2 building blocks and they have zero depth on the roster. Some candidates may look at it as a good fit to be GM because you will get to start from scratch and have a lot of time to turn it around but for a guy like Hortiz coming into this situation and leaving a place where he has been forever and already makes big money just didn't make sense. More good intel. Hard to argue with the point that we have one of the worst rosters in the NFL. Which leads me to believe that Hortiz would want to jettison DJ for another solution. The absolute right call. I said earlier today that the length of the contract to the GM is going to be interesting. We are in such a downward spiral that I think we are looking at a six-year deal here. Which should give any GM a lot of comfort and job security.

If these are Horitz's concerns then the Giants shouldn't want him. The candidates have the opportunity to be the GM of the New York Giants, with an ownership team that understands time is needed to rebuild the roster. If he'd rather stay in the safety of the shadows in Baltimore, then he is not the guy for the Giants. He has every right to make the choice that's best for him, but he's clearly not the guy for the job.

In comment 15562936 Mook80 said:

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on Hortiz for those asking. One of my best friends is a writer for SI. He told me the other day that DeCosta was advising Hortiz to not take the Giants job if offered. He said Ravens front office people rarely leave no matter what position they are in unless its a near perfect fit. Ravens pay their front office guys incredibly well so they take the money part of it out of the equation. There were reports of Hortiz hitting the 1st interview out of the park. He said he heard that he had a great 1st interview but wouldn't take the job if it were offered. I dont know this for a fact but it definitely seems like he turned down a 2nd interview. Also heard that ownership issues were not an issue for Hortiz or other candidates. For Hortiz the roster being at best the 2nd or 3rd worst in the league was a much bigger issue. Yes there are 2 first rounders and ownership is definitely going to give this GM a lot of time, but the cupbaord is totally bare. It's a omplete rebuild without cap space to do anything this off-season and the future QB not in place. The Giants don't have more than 1 or 2 building blocks and they have zero depth on the roster. Some candidates may look at it as a good fit to be GM because you will get to start from scratch and have a lot of time to turn it around but for a guy like Hortiz coming into this situation and leaving a place where he has been forever and already makes big money just didn't make sense.

Thanks for this. I don't blame Hortiz for not wanting to come, but it is an attractive option for others. You get to run the show & it is pretty much a blank canvas.

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In comment 15562542 Sammo85 said: Quote: In comment 15562521 BLUATHRT said: Quote: I have a friend that works in the Bill's front office who is close with him. Is this legit or a passive joke? This is legit. I'm not joking. He simply told me "by all indications he is coming your way" when I asked if he knew anything.

I'm buying into this...

Of an intense game of rock, paper, scissors between Chris, John and Steve to determine the winner.

In comment 15563143 Chris684 said:

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We wouldn’t want anyone too afraid of the moment or worried about comfort level. Again, IF true. Besides, not going to argue the roster is filled with talent but only 1 or 2 building blocks is a bit of an exaggeration. 5 premium draft picks, a salary cap situation that doesn’t look bad after this season and a chance to come in and identify and build around your QB.

I agree Chris.

We have some solid pieces. I like our defensive back field, Martinez should be back and hopefully as good before his injury, Leo Williams, Dex and Ojulari are all part of the solution on defense. MCKinney should have been a pro bowler.

On offense we are much thinner but knowing you have a very good, young left tackle, a big target in Golladay, Shifty slot receiver in Toney and I wouldn’t be so down on Barkley. He is going to be more confident next year and hopefully we have an O Line of some sort for him to run behind.

The QB situation is a huge question mark but I don’t think the new GM will be feeling pressured to draft one early. Jones in his last year with a vet brought in will be the plan for 2022.

We have lots of unknowns like Robinson, Elerson Smith. Brederson, Lemeiuox, Gates.

9 draft picks is a good amount of ammo. Most teams are lucky to hit on 50% of the picks. Let’s face it, we have 5 of the first 100 picks. These should net some starters at pivotal positions like, RT, RG, TE, ER.

The roster is very young. Good timing for a new GM and coach.

…..but I think it’s Peters.

In comment 15562936 Mook80 said:

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on Hortiz for those asking. One of my best friends is a writer for SI. He told me the other day that DeCosta was advising Hortiz to not take the Giants job if offered. He said Ravens front office people rarely leave no matter what position they are in unless its a near perfect fit. Ravens pay their front office guys incredibly well so they take the money part of it out of the equation. There were reports of Hortiz hitting the 1st interview out of the park. He said he heard that he had a great 1st interview but wouldn't take the job if it were offered. I dont know this for a fact but it definitely seems like he turned down a 2nd interview. Also heard that ownership issues were not an issue for Hortiz or other candidates. For Hortiz the roster being at best the 2nd or 3rd worst in the league was a much bigger issue. Yes there are 2 first rounders and ownership is definitely going to give this GM a lot of time, but the cupbaord is totally bare. It's a omplete rebuild without cap space to do anything this off-season and the future QB not in place. The Giants don't have more than 1 or 2 building blocks and they have zero depth on the roster. Some candidates may look at it as a good fit to be GM because you will get to start from scratch and have a lot of time to turn it around but for a guy like Hortiz coming into this situation and leaving a place where he has been forever and already makes big money just didn't make sense.

Based on the update from O’Connor, sounds like this story could not have been more wrong. Sounds like he completely bombed the first interview.

In comment 15562961 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15562936 Mook80 said: Quote: Also heard that ownership issues were not an issue for Hortiz or other candidates. For Hortiz the roster being at best the 2nd or 3rd worst in the league was a much bigger issue. Yes there are 2 first rounders and ownership is definitely going to give this GM a lot of time, but the cupbaord is totally bare. It's a omplete rebuild without cap space to do anything this off-season and the future QB not in place. The Giants don't have more than 1 or 2 building blocks and they have zero depth on the roster. Some candidates may look at it as a good fit to be GM because you will get to start from scratch and have a lot of time to turn it around but for a guy like Hortiz coming into this situation and leaving a place where he has been forever and already makes big money just didn't make sense. More good intel. Hard to argue with the point that we have one of the worst rosters in the NFL. Which leads me to believe that Hortiz would want to jettison DJ for another solution. The absolute right call. I said earlier today that the length of the contract to the GM is going to be interesting. We are in such a downward spiral that I think we are looking at a six-year deal here. Which should give any GM a lot of comfort and job security.

Jesus fucking Christ - do you have to mention Jones in just about every one of your fucking posts??

In comment 15563306 Rjanyg said:

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In comment 15563143 Chris684 said: Quote: We wouldn’t want anyone too afraid of the moment or worried about comfort level. Again, IF true. Besides, not going to argue the roster is filled with talent but only 1 or 2 building blocks is a bit of an exaggeration. 5 premium draft picks, a salary cap situation that doesn’t look bad after this season and a chance to come in and identify and build around your QB. I agree Chris. We have some solid pieces. I like our defensive back field, Martinez should be back and hopefully as good before his injury, Leo Williams, Dex and Ojulari are all part of the solution on defense. MCKinney should have been a pro bowler. On offense we are much thinner but knowing you have a very good, young left tackle, a big target in Golladay, Shifty slot receiver in Toney and I wouldn’t be so down on Barkley. He is going to be more confident next year and hopefully we have an O Line of some sort for him to run behind. The QB situation is a huge question mark but I don’t think the new GM will be feeling pressured to draft one early. Jones in his last year with a vet brought in will be the plan for 2022. We have lots of unknowns like Robinson, Elerson Smith. Brederson, Lemeiuox, Gates. 9 draft picks is a good amount of ammo. Most teams are lucky to hit on 50% of the picks. Let’s face it, we have 5 of the first 100 picks. These should net some starters at pivotal positions like, RT, RG, TE, ER. The roster is very young. Good timing for a new GM and coach.

whew, that was a tough read...

In comment 15563148 Tom in NY said:

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In comment 15562961 bw in dc said: More good intel. Hard to argue with the point that we have one of the worst rosters in the NFL. Which leads me to believe that Hortiz would want to jettison DJ for another solution. The absolute right call. I said earlier today that the length of the contract to the GM is going to be interesting. We are in such a downward spiral that I think we are looking at a six-year deal here. Which should give any GM a lot of comfort and job security. If these are Horitz's concerns then the Giants shouldn't want him. The candidates have the opportunity to be the GM of the New York Giants, with an ownership team that understands time is needed to rebuild the roster. If he'd rather stay in the safety of the shadows in Baltimore, then he is not the guy for the Giants. He has every right to make the choice that's best for him, but he's clearly not the guy for the job.

I have no issue with anything you wrote.

I mean teams loaded with talent are not usually looking for a new GM outside the organization. Besides if you look at a team when they hire a new GM within 2 or 3 seasons they've turned over the whole roster any way. The lack of cap space this year is troubling, but that changes next year. A big plus is the ability to hire your own HC right from the start. The QB situation is a negative but if Jones is healthy you at least have an option for next season and you just bring in another good bet to compete and as insurance. It's definitely Hortiz fair option to not wanna be a part of it, but as we've seen the position had no shortage of talent from top organizations interested.