Pat Leonard
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There are no more GM interviews on the schedule for the Giants at this time. So three finalists for now: Joe Schoen, Ryan Poles and Adam Peters, who is here in NJ today
Hopefully decision later tonight or tomorrow morning.
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will anything ever come out about that?
My own impression is he's very good at what he does, within the structure he works in. I don't think he possessed the full set of attributes they looked for in a GM. Perhaps adequate, but not outstanding. Just didn't come off as well as the others, for one reason or another, just wasn't a match. Not every pretty girl is a suitable bride.
Could also very well be that he was not interested in the job after the first interview. He has been in Baltimore a long time and possibly wants to stay.
I'd rather gamble on Peters. I think he has the best chance to find 3 quality, productive starters in every draft. With 2 having the chance to be really good. That's a terrific hit rate.
so are you not happy with schoen? By all accounts he seems like a strong candidate...
I really don't care which they end up with, just as long as they get the coaching hire right!
No one outside of the 49ers front office really knows how much input/influence Peters had in putting together that team and making those picks. (Just like with Schoen and Poles). Do you think Abrams was making all the Giants picks?
Presumably, front office people in the NFL have some indication. But not one single fan has any idea who did what.
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I have a friend that works in the Bill's front office who is close with him.
Is this legit or a passive joke?
This is legit. I'm not joking. He simply told me "by all indications he is coming your way" when I asked if he knew anything.
Just cross your fingers, whoever is chosen.
Just cross your fingers, whoever is chosen.
Quit making sense. You’re no fun 😉
Sums up how I feel. Unlike with Reese and Gettleman searches, this one I actually felt like the Giants interviewed the right people. While there are some more obvious connections (Schoen with Parcells, Poles with Snee and Boston College), every finalist has merited placement on the list. It is not like with the Chicago Bears where one of the names was some assistant with the Chargers who nobody has been looking at but happened to once work with Bill Polian
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and has the dreaded spoke to DG. ;)
I'd rather gamble on Peters. I think he has the best chance to find 3 quality, productive starters in every draft. With 2 having the chance to be really good. That's a terrific hit rate.
so are you not happy with schoen? By all accounts he seems like a strong candidate...
I could live with Schoen. There is a lot there to like.
Who would you like to see him hitch his wagon to at HC?
Daboll worries me, as does any young coordinator who is paired up with a stud QB. Even more so with where NYG and its fanbase stand right now. Patience is not going to be popular around here.
Just cross your fingers, whoever is chosen.
Who are 3 people who've never been in my kitchen?
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and Ryans for HC. I think it will be Schoen, he's also a strong choice imo, and bonus points for Josh Allen as he will need to find our QB.
Who would you like to see him hitch his wagon to at HC?
Daboll worries me, as does any young coordinator who is paired up with a stud QB. Even more so with where NYG and its fanbase stand right now. Patience is not going to be popular around here.
As much as I detest the idea of Quinn, I am of the train of though anyone with successful coaching at an NFL level. No more coordinators with zero experience.
Your posting preferences will swing to whomever they choose anyway...
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None of us has ever met these people, none of us know what was said to ownership during the interviews, none of us know how they comported themselves, etc.
Just cross your fingers, whoever is chosen.
Who are 3 people who've never been in my kitchen?
Thank you, Mr. Klavin - and that is technically a true answer, by the way!
Let's start with that and hope some things break right with the HC and QB.
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In comment 15562529 jestersdead said:
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But the majority of the fan base wants Schoen, so that’s who it will be. Mara giving the masses what they want
What are you basing this on? If BBI posts are any measure Peters is far and away the most popular among the fans who post here.
Another ridiculous post. Did the fans clamor for Gettleman?
Why is it a ridiculous post? I said who I want and why I wouldn't be surprised if Schoen gets the job.
There have been numerous comments for the last week about what a great job the fans and BBI have done to drive home the point about moving on from Judge. I have seen more posters on this site saying that they want Schoen or its been Schoen's job for almost a month b/c of backdoor conversations since week 15/16
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and Ryans for HC. I think it will be Schoen, he's also a strong choice imo, and bonus points for Josh Allen as he will need to find our QB.
Who would you like to see him hitch his wagon to at HC?
Daboll worries me, as does any young coordinator who is paired up with a stud QB. Even more so with where NYG and its fanbase stand right now. Patience is not going to be popular around here.
Whomever they hire it needs to be acknowledged the QB situation is an issue. Perhaps they draft a guy this year they feel is a better option than Jones, perhaps they run with Jones as a reclamation project with veteran competition and/or lower draft pick. Ultimately, it's a wait and see.
Daboll is interesting due to his success developing a scheme, and a QB in Allen, who is talented but very raw and still a work in progress put up big numbers and success. He's been able to tailor his scheme to the QBs he has, and if Schoen brings him in then I'll get onboard.
Someone was on yesterday saying they had some sort of info (Friend that worked for Ravens or something???) that walked through why people don't leave the Ravens. Things like they pay very well, have a good atmosphere etc...
That may be true but I have been thinking about this and one thing about him that sticks out to me vs some of the other candidates is this: Hortiz hasn't really been involved in "building" anything or doing any kind of "restructuring", he's worked in a very good and stable front office his whole career. The Giants are clearly in a position where the front office needs to be revamped. Guys like Peters and Schoen have had hands in building up a successful front office. Just a thought, but maybe that's why we're not seeing Hortiz for a third interview?
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In comment 15562528 BrettNYG10 said:
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None match up to Gettleman. Beg him to come out of his hard-earned retirement.
Is this a joke?
Agreed. I don't see Gettleman coming out of retirement after the success he's had. A long storied career and off into the sunset like Cincinnatus.
Ummmm ..... seriously? You really aren't sure if this is a joke?
Whoever we hire will have huge question marks and we truly won't know if we got it right until 2025. : /
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In comment 15562683 JonC said:
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and Ryans for HC. I think it will be Schoen, he's also a strong choice imo, and bonus points for Josh Allen as he will need to find our QB.
Who would you like to see him hitch his wagon to at HC?
Daboll worries me, as does any young coordinator who is paired up with a stud QB. Even more so with where NYG and its fanbase stand right now. Patience is not going to be popular around here.
Whomever they hire it needs to be acknowledged the QB situation is an issue. Perhaps they draft a guy this year they feel is a better option than Jones, perhaps they run with Jones as a reclamation project with veteran competition and/or lower draft pick. Ultimately, it's a wait and see.
Daboll is interesting due to his success developing a scheme, and a QB in Allen, who is talented but very raw and still a work in progress put up big numbers and success. He's been able to tailor his scheme to the QBs he has, and if Schoen brings him in then I'll get onboard.
Interestingly enough, Daboll has had Trubisky up there who I've felt is a great option for a bridge QB competition with Jones if they feel the franchise option is not there this offseason.
Let Jones and Trubisky battle it out for a year and perhaps if you get really lucky, maybe a light bulb turns on for one along the way.
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None of us has ever met these people, none of us know what was said to ownership during the interviews, none of us know how they comported themselves, etc.
Just cross your fingers, whoever is chosen.
Quit making sense. You’re no fun 😉
So true!! No one knows who is actually pulling the trigger and who is ride coattails.
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In comment 15562692 Chris684 said:
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In comment 15562683 JonC said:
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and Ryans for HC. I think it will be Schoen, he's also a strong choice imo, and bonus points for Josh Allen as he will need to find our QB.
Who would you like to see him hitch his wagon to at HC?
Daboll worries me, as does any young coordinator who is paired up with a stud QB. Even more so with where NYG and its fanbase stand right now. Patience is not going to be popular around here.
Whomever they hire it needs to be acknowledged the QB situation is an issue. Perhaps they draft a guy this year they feel is a better option than Jones, perhaps they run with Jones as a reclamation project with veteran competition and/or lower draft pick. Ultimately, it's a wait and see.
Daboll is interesting due to his success developing a scheme, and a QB in Allen, who is talented but very raw and still a work in progress put up big numbers and success. He's been able to tailor his scheme to the QBs he has, and if Schoen brings him in then I'll get onboard.
Interestingly enough, Daboll has had Trubisky up there who I've felt is a great option for a bridge QB competition with Jones if they feel the franchise option is not there this offseason.
Let Jones and Trubisky battle it out for a year and perhaps if you get really lucky, maybe a light bulb turns on for one along the way.
If they don't love a QB in this draft, it's going to be a year about seeing who should stay and stripping this roster and cap down, and two QBs like them could serve as bridges and last chance looks. But, if they don't trade Jones I'd try and sign Foles, Tyrod, Brissett, a vet QB who can actually run an NFL offense and be competitive. Mitch might be as shot as Jones.
Never forget.
DeMeco Ryans has only been a DC for 1 year. Isn’t that a little concerning?
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Upgrade.
Never forget.
Whoever we hire, I just hope our 2 computer guys have finished the Windows 98 upgrade in time for the draft
I was more impressed the week earlier where he made some serious half time adjustments to throttle the Rams.
BTW, I am all in on Peters as the next GM
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and Ryans for HC. I think it will be Schoen, he's also a strong choice imo, and bonus points for Josh Allen as he will need to find our QB.
DeMeco Ryans has only been a DC for 1 year. Isn’t that a little concerning?
Sure it is, there really isn't a candidate available right now that has no red flags of any kind. I'm looking for a coordinator who has his unit playing at a high level, a style and attitude of football I want the Giants to play. Daboll is looking like a quality system builder, but his cv is limited as well. That's two of the hot coords out there right now. There's a fairly good chance this hire won't work out either, got to go with your gut and make the best hire you're able to make. Same with QB. For example, when the Giants hired Shurmur my attention was on Vrabel and Reich, if that helps.
I don't think Harbaugh's an option, and the other retreads for HC really don't move me. I don't want to hire a problem child, which is where I file Brian Flores.
I was more impressed the week earlier where he made some serious half time adjustments to throttle the Rams.
BTW, I am all in on Peters as the next GM
I understood the decisions actually in a strategic sense even if they made people uneasy on how it played out down to down tactically. In a way, he made the decision to take out half of their playbook in that situation and force low leverage, high percentage, short yardage plays and given the timeouts expended in full, you had an OC, HC, QB scrambling in desperation and their post game pressers showed they had no clue what they were doing (McCarthy is a known liar and I consider him a coaching fraud now at this point).
One of the plays was blown by the corner who was playing too far off of his designated zone of responsibility and let Schultz get free for extra 6-8 yards.
Progress!
Hopefully the HC situation lays out in a similar way.
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In comment 15562683 JonC said:
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and Ryans for HC. I think it will be Schoen, he's also a strong choice imo, and bonus points for Josh Allen as he will need to find our QB.
DeMeco Ryans has only been a DC for 1 year. Isn’t that a little concerning?
Sure it is, there really isn't a candidate available right now that has no red flags of any kind. I'm looking for a coordinator who has his unit playing at a high level, a style and attitude of football I want the Giants to play. Daboll is looking like a quality system builder, but his cv is limited as well. That's two of the hot coords out there right now. There's a fairly good chance this hire won't work out either, got to go with your gut and make the best hire you're able to make. Same with QB. For example, when the Giants hired Shurmur my attention was on Vrabel and Reich, if that helps.
I don't think Harbaugh's an option, and the other retreads for HC really don't move me. I don't want to hire a problem child, which is where I file Brian Flores.
Yet again you and I find ourselves in common ground and agreement.
I like the prospects of Ryans. I think he'll be offered a HC job before he turns 40 even, if it's not us this year. He has a strong feel for defensive football and players mentality, good communicator. I get Vrabel vibes with him too a bit, which is good.
I was more impressed the week earlier where he made some serious half time adjustments to throttle the Rams.
BTW, I am all in on Peters as the next GM
Didn't like it either as if the SF Defense wasn't ready or thinking about the situation there. They adjusted after those first 3 plays and were fortunate Dallas made a bigger gaffe.
To his credit, Ryans' defense did have a nice year in terms of production, and he had argubaly his two best defenders out of the game when it came down to the wire. Seems like his star is on the rise...