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Pat Leonard: No more interviews scheduled

GFAN52 : 1/20/2022 1:33 pm


Pat Leonard
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There are no more GM interviews on the schedule for the Giants at this time. So three finalists for now: Joe Schoen, Ryan Poles and Adam Peters, who is here in NJ today

Hopefully decision later tonight or tomorrow morning.
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RE: I wonder what happened with Hortiz  
Red Right Hand : 1/20/2022 2:31 pm : link
In comment 15562515 Platos said:
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will anything ever come out about that?
My own impression is he's very good at what he does, within the structure he works in. I don't think he possessed the full set of attributes they looked for in a GM. Perhaps adequate, but not outstanding. Just didn't come off as well as the others, for one reason or another, just wasn't a match. Not every pretty girl is a suitable bride.
RE: RE: I wonder what happened with Hortiz  
bigblue12 : 1/20/2022 2:34 pm : link
In comment 15562621 Red Right Hand said:
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will anything ever come out about that?

My own impression is he's very good at what he does, within the structure he works in. I don't think he possessed the full set of attributes they looked for in a GM. Perhaps adequate, but not outstanding. Just didn't come off as well as the others, for one reason or another, just wasn't a match. Not every pretty girl is a suitable bride.



Could also very well be that he was not interested in the job after the first interview. He has been in Baltimore a long time and possibly wants to stay.
RE: Schoen is too predictable for me..  
BleedBlue : 1/20/2022 2:35 pm : link
In comment 15562587 bw in dc said:
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and has the dreaded spoke to DG. ;)

I'd rather gamble on Peters. I think he has the best chance to find 3 quality, productive starters in every draft. With 2 having the chance to be really good. That's a terrific hit rate.


so are you not happy with schoen? By all accounts he seems like a strong candidate...
I like each finalist  
JB_in_DC : 1/20/2022 2:45 pm : link
Each seems qualified to take the team into the modern era. A lot of work ahead of them, but I will be patient.
Want Peters, think it’s Schoen  
Sean : 1/20/2022 2:45 pm : link
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RE: Want Peters, think it’s Schoen  
GFAN52 : 1/20/2022 2:47 pm : link
In comment 15562649 Sean said:
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I really don't care which they end up with, just as long as they get the coaching hire right!
RE: Another vote for Peters -- he put together  
k2tampa : 1/20/2022 2:50 pm : link
In comment 15562608 gidiefor said:
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a tough, tough team - and pulled some crazy gems out the draft


No one outside of the 49ers front office really knows how much input/influence Peters had in putting together that team and making those picks. (Just like with Schoen and Poles). Do you think Abrams was making all the Giants picks?

Presumably, front office people in the NFL have some indication. But not one single fan has any idea who did what.
RE: RE: It's going to be Shoen.  
BLUATHRT : 1/20/2022 2:50 pm : link
In comment 15562542 Sammo85 said:
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I have a friend that works in the Bill's front office who is close with him.



Is this legit or a passive joke?


This is legit. I'm not joking. He simply told me "by all indications he is coming your way" when I asked if he knew anything.
LOL at the people with strong preferences for one or the other  
lawguy9801 : 1/20/2022 2:52 pm : link
None of us has ever met these people, none of us know what was said to ownership during the interviews, none of us know how they comported themselves, etc.

Just cross your fingers, whoever is chosen.
RE: LOL at the people with strong preferences for one or the other  
Fast Eddie : 1/20/2022 2:53 pm : link
In comment 15562664 lawguy9801 said:
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None of us has ever met these people, none of us know what was said to ownership during the interviews, none of us know how they comported themselves, etc.

Just cross your fingers, whoever is chosen.


Quit making sense. You’re no fun 😉
Parcells likes Schoen so that's good enough for me  
gtt350 : 1/20/2022 2:55 pm : link
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RE: I like each finalist  
Mike in NY : 1/20/2022 2:55 pm : link
In comment 15562648 JB_in_DC said:
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Each seems qualified to take the team into the modern era. A lot of work ahead of them, but I will be patient.


Sums up how I feel. Unlike with Reese and Gettleman searches, this one I actually felt like the Giants interviewed the right people. While there are some more obvious connections (Schoen with Parcells, Poles with Snee and Boston College), every finalist has merited placement on the list. It is not like with the Chicago Bears where one of the names was some assistant with the Chargers who nobody has been looking at but happened to once work with Bill Polian
I wonder if the Peters interview is still on-going?  
Drewcon40 : 1/20/2022 2:59 pm : link
Haven't read anything that they have wrapped up or any news on progress.
I lean to Peters because the 49ers are well built  
JonC : 1/20/2022 3:01 pm : link
and Ryans for HC. I think it will be Schoen, he's also a strong choice imo, and bonus points for Josh Allen as he will need to find our QB.
RE: RE: Schoen is too predictable for me..  
bw in dc : 1/20/2022 3:02 pm : link
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and has the dreaded spoke to DG. ;)

I'd rather gamble on Peters. I think he has the best chance to find 3 quality, productive starters in every draft. With 2 having the chance to be really good. That's a terrific hit rate.



so are you not happy with schoen? By all accounts he seems like a strong candidate...


I could live with Schoen. There is a lot there to like.

Odds...  
EliisGod77 : 1/20/2022 3:04 pm : link
are knowing the ownership team they will take all three names put them in a hat and draw the winner...lol
RE: I lean to Peters because the 49ers are well built  
Chris684 : 1/20/2022 3:04 pm : link
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and Ryans for HC. I think it will be Schoen, he's also a strong choice imo, and bonus points for Josh Allen as he will need to find our QB.


Who would you like to see him hitch his wagon to at HC?

Daboll worries me, as does any young coordinator who is paired up with a stud QB. Even more so with where NYG and its fanbase stand right now. Patience is not going to be popular around here.
RE: LOL at the people with strong preferences for one or the other  
Stufftherun : 1/20/2022 3:05 pm : link
In comment 15562664 lawguy9801 said:
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None of us has ever met these people, none of us know what was said to ownership during the interviews, none of us know how they comported themselves, etc.

Just cross your fingers, whoever is chosen.


Who are 3 people who've never been in my kitchen?
RE: RE: I lean to Peters because the 49ers are well built  
EliisGod77 : 1/20/2022 3:06 pm : link
In comment 15562692 Chris684 said:
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and Ryans for HC. I think it will be Schoen, he's also a strong choice imo, and bonus points for Josh Allen as he will need to find our QB.



Who would you like to see him hitch his wagon to at HC?

Daboll worries me, as does any young coordinator who is paired up with a stud QB. Even more so with where NYG and its fanbase stand right now. Patience is not going to be popular around here.


As much as I detest the idea of Quinn, I am of the train of though anyone with successful coaching at an NFL level. No more coordinators with zero experience.
All seem like high quality candidates from what we know  
Jimmy Googs : 1/20/2022 3:07 pm : link
and that is all that matters.

Your posting preferences will swing to whomever they choose anyway...
RE: RE: LOL at the people with strong preferences for one or the other  
lawguy9801 : 1/20/2022 3:11 pm : link
In comment 15562695 Stufftherun said:
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None of us has ever met these people, none of us know what was said to ownership during the interviews, none of us know how they comported themselves, etc.

Just cross your fingers, whoever is chosen.



Who are 3 people who've never been in my kitchen?


Thank you, Mr. Klavin - and that is technically a true answer, by the way!
All good candidates  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/20/2022 3:12 pm : link
I hope as a baseline they can at least keep the OL and front 7 to a very competitive level consistently. On the OL side, I hope it is cost controlled.

Let's start with that and hope some things break right with the HC and QB.
lawguy  
JonC : 1/20/2022 3:13 pm : link
What's wrong with recognizing talented, successful football operations and trying to lure away one of their promising front office execs to build the Giants?
Bummer Hortiz isn't in the final group  
widmerseyebrow : 1/20/2022 3:14 pm : link
Would love to hear the scoop on that. Did he not come off well? Was he not interested? Did Schoen just blow the Giants socks off and they didn't bother with Hortiz?
RE: RE: RE: I want Peters  
jestersdead : 1/20/2022 3:17 pm : link
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But the majority of the fan base wants Schoen, so that’s who it will be. Mara giving the masses what they want



What are you basing this on? If BBI posts are any measure Peters is far and away the most popular among the fans who post here.



Another ridiculous post. Did the fans clamor for Gettleman?


Why is it a ridiculous post? I said who I want and why I wouldn't be surprised if Schoen gets the job.

There have been numerous comments for the last week about what a great job the fans and BBI have done to drive home the point about moving on from Judge. I have seen more posters on this site saying that they want Schoen or its been Schoen's job for almost a month b/c of backdoor conversations since week 15/16

RE: RE: I lean to Peters because the 49ers are well built  
JonC : 1/20/2022 3:18 pm : link
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and Ryans for HC. I think it will be Schoen, he's also a strong choice imo, and bonus points for Josh Allen as he will need to find our QB.



Who would you like to see him hitch his wagon to at HC?

Daboll worries me, as does any young coordinator who is paired up with a stud QB. Even more so with where NYG and its fanbase stand right now. Patience is not going to be popular around here.


Whomever they hire it needs to be acknowledged the QB situation is an issue. Perhaps they draft a guy this year they feel is a better option than Jones, perhaps they run with Jones as a reclamation project with veteran competition and/or lower draft pick. Ultimately, it's a wait and see.

Daboll is interesting due to his success developing a scheme, and a QB in Allen, who is talented but very raw and still a work in progress put up big numbers and success. He's been able to tailor his scheme to the QBs he has, and if Schoen brings him in then I'll get onboard.
I wonder if they eliminated Hortiz  
jeff57 : 1/20/2022 3:19 pm : link
Or if he withdrew from consideration.
Got to think Horitz  
JonC : 1/20/2022 3:20 pm : link
is just looking for a different situation to take the leap. NYG is going to be a big job and is an organization with issues coming to light that need to be addressed. Perhaps it's too much for him, who knows.
RE: Bummer Hortiz isn't in the final group  
Biteymax22 : 1/20/2022 3:23 pm : link
In comment 15562721 widmerseyebrow said:
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Would love to hear the scoop on that. Did he not come off well? Was he not interested? Did Schoen just blow the Giants socks off and they didn't bother with Hortiz?


Someone was on yesterday saying they had some sort of info (Friend that worked for Ravens or something???) that walked through why people don't leave the Ravens. Things like they pay very well, have a good atmosphere etc...

That may be true but I have been thinking about this and one thing about him that sticks out to me vs some of the other candidates is this: Hortiz hasn't really been involved in "building" anything or doing any kind of "restructuring", he's worked in a very good and stable front office his whole career. The Giants are clearly in a position where the front office needs to be revamped. Guys like Peters and Schoen have had hands in building up a successful front office. Just a thought, but maybe that's why we're not seeing Hortiz for a third interview?
s/b Hortiz  
JonC : 1/20/2022 3:23 pm : link
tired dada brain.
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River Mike : 1/20/2022 3:23 pm : link
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None match up to Gettleman. Beg him to come out of his hard-earned retirement.



Is this a joke?



Agreed. I don't see Gettleman coming out of retirement after the success he's had. A long storied career and off into the sunset like Cincinnatus.


Ummmm ..... seriously? You really aren't sure if this is a joke?
Schoen was  
thedogfather : 1/20/2022 3:24 pm : link
part of the front office who took that bum Fromm in the 5th round so I'm trying not to hold that against him LOL!

Whoever we hire will have huge question marks and we truly won't know if we got it right until 2025. : /
RE: RE: RE: I lean to Peters because the 49ers are well built  
Chris684 : 1/20/2022 3:25 pm : link
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and Ryans for HC. I think it will be Schoen, he's also a strong choice imo, and bonus points for Josh Allen as he will need to find our QB.



Who would you like to see him hitch his wagon to at HC?

Daboll worries me, as does any young coordinator who is paired up with a stud QB. Even more so with where NYG and its fanbase stand right now. Patience is not going to be popular around here.



Whomever they hire it needs to be acknowledged the QB situation is an issue. Perhaps they draft a guy this year they feel is a better option than Jones, perhaps they run with Jones as a reclamation project with veteran competition and/or lower draft pick. Ultimately, it's a wait and see.

Daboll is interesting due to his success developing a scheme, and a QB in Allen, who is talented but very raw and still a work in progress put up big numbers and success. He's been able to tailor his scheme to the QBs he has, and if Schoen brings him in then I'll get onboard.


Interestingly enough, Daboll has had Trubisky up there who I've felt is a great option for a bridge QB competition with Jones if they feel the franchise option is not there this offseason.

Let Jones and Trubisky battle it out for a year and perhaps if you get really lucky, maybe a light bulb turns on for one along the way.
Poles and Schoen were mentioned months back  
ghost718 : 1/20/2022 3:26 pm : link
This whole thing could have been a dog and pony show.With Peters there to throw people off.We'll have to see
I went from Schoen to Hortiz  
Gruber : 1/20/2022 3:30 pm : link
and now I'm all for Peters.
RE: RE: LOL at the people with strong preferences for one or the other  
BigBlueJ : 1/20/2022 3:33 pm : link
In comment 15562667 Fast Eddie said:
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None of us has ever met these people, none of us know what was said to ownership during the interviews, none of us know how they comported themselves, etc.

Just cross your fingers, whoever is chosen.



Quit making sense. You’re no fun 😉


So true!! No one knows who is actually pulling the trigger and who is ride coattails.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I lean to Peters because the 49ers are well built  
JonC : 1/20/2022 3:38 pm : link
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and Ryans for HC. I think it will be Schoen, he's also a strong choice imo, and bonus points for Josh Allen as he will need to find our QB.



Who would you like to see him hitch his wagon to at HC?

Daboll worries me, as does any young coordinator who is paired up with a stud QB. Even more so with where NYG and its fanbase stand right now. Patience is not going to be popular around here.



Whomever they hire it needs to be acknowledged the QB situation is an issue. Perhaps they draft a guy this year they feel is a better option than Jones, perhaps they run with Jones as a reclamation project with veteran competition and/or lower draft pick. Ultimately, it's a wait and see.

Daboll is interesting due to his success developing a scheme, and a QB in Allen, who is talented but very raw and still a work in progress put up big numbers and success. He's been able to tailor his scheme to the QBs he has, and if Schoen brings him in then I'll get onboard.



Interestingly enough, Daboll has had Trubisky up there who I've felt is a great option for a bridge QB competition with Jones if they feel the franchise option is not there this offseason.

Let Jones and Trubisky battle it out for a year and perhaps if you get really lucky, maybe a light bulb turns on for one along the way.


If they don't love a QB in this draft, it's going to be a year about seeing who should stay and stripping this roster and cap down, and two QBs like them could serve as bridges and last chance looks. But, if they don't trade Jones I'd try and sign Foles, Tyrod, Brissett, a vet QB who can actually run an NFL offense and be competitive. Mitch might be as shot as Jones.
Well, whoever it use it will be a dramatic  
cosmicj : 1/20/2022 3:53 pm : link
Upgrade.
RE: Well, whoever it use it will be a dramatic  
Go Terps : 1/20/2022 3:55 pm : link
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Upgrade.


Never forget.

RE: I lean to Peters because the 49ers are well built  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 1/20/2022 3:58 pm : link
In comment 15562683 JonC said:
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and Ryans for HC. I think it will be Schoen, he's also a strong choice imo, and bonus points for Josh Allen as he will need to find our QB.


DeMeco Ryans has only been a DC for 1 year. Isn’t that a little concerning?
RE: RE: Well, whoever it use it will be a dramatic  
mfsd : 1/20/2022 4:00 pm : link
In comment 15562798 Go Terps said:
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Upgrade.



Never forget.



Whoever we hire, I just hope our 2 computer guys have finished the Windows 98 upgrade in time for the draft
Schoen May be Best Suited  
clatterbuck : 1/20/2022 4:02 pm : link
to do the heavy lifting on the administrative side -- reconstructing the whole scouting organization and implementing a whole new system, philosophy, and process. This will be a major part of the job imo in addition to the draft and personnel decisions
Comment on DeMeco Ryans  
Rick in Dallas : 1/20/2022 4:12 pm : link
I thought on the last Cowboys drive of the game he made a bad strategic decision not to defend the sidelines on the first 3 plays as the Cowboys moved the ball 40 yards easily stopping the clock. It drove me crazy. Other than that I really liked how the 49er’s played defense.
I was more impressed the week earlier where he made some serious half time adjustments to throttle the Rams.
BTW, I am all in on Peters as the next GM
RE: RE: I lean to Peters because the 49ers are well built  
JonC : 1/20/2022 4:18 pm : link
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and Ryans for HC. I think it will be Schoen, he's also a strong choice imo, and bonus points for Josh Allen as he will need to find our QB.



DeMeco Ryans has only been a DC for 1 year. Isn’t that a little concerning?


Sure it is, there really isn't a candidate available right now that has no red flags of any kind. I'm looking for a coordinator who has his unit playing at a high level, a style and attitude of football I want the Giants to play. Daboll is looking like a quality system builder, but his cv is limited as well. That's two of the hot coords out there right now. There's a fairly good chance this hire won't work out either, got to go with your gut and make the best hire you're able to make. Same with QB. For example, when the Giants hired Shurmur my attention was on Vrabel and Reich, if that helps.

I don't think Harbaugh's an option, and the other retreads for HC really don't move me. I don't want to hire a problem child, which is where I file Brian Flores.
RE: Comment on DeMeco Ryans  
Sammo85 : 1/20/2022 4:21 pm : link
In comment 15562840 Rick in Dallas said:
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I thought on the last Cowboys drive of the game he made a bad strategic decision not to defend the sidelines on the first 3 plays as the Cowboys moved the ball 40 yards easily stopping the clock. It drove me crazy. Other than that I really liked how the 49er’s played defense.
I was more impressed the week earlier where he made some serious half time adjustments to throttle the Rams.
BTW, I am all in on Peters as the next GM


I understood the decisions actually in a strategic sense even if they made people uneasy on how it played out down to down tactically. In a way, he made the decision to take out half of their playbook in that situation and force low leverage, high percentage, short yardage plays and given the timeouts expended in full, you had an OC, HC, QB scrambling in desperation and their post game pressers showed they had no clue what they were doing (McCarthy is a known liar and I consider him a coaching fraud now at this point).

One of the plays was blown by the corner who was playing too far off of his designated zone of responsibility and let Schultz get free for extra 6-8 yards.
Well the good news here is...  
D HOS : 1/20/2022 4:23 pm : link
No matter which of the finalists gets hired, we can't go wrong - at least that's how it seems in January of 2022.

Progress!

Hopefully the HC situation lays out in a similar way.
RE: RE: RE: I lean to Peters because the 49ers are well built  
Sammo85 : 1/20/2022 4:23 pm : link
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and Ryans for HC. I think it will be Schoen, he's also a strong choice imo, and bonus points for Josh Allen as he will need to find our QB.



DeMeco Ryans has only been a DC for 1 year. Isn’t that a little concerning?



Sure it is, there really isn't a candidate available right now that has no red flags of any kind. I'm looking for a coordinator who has his unit playing at a high level, a style and attitude of football I want the Giants to play. Daboll is looking like a quality system builder, but his cv is limited as well. That's two of the hot coords out there right now. There's a fairly good chance this hire won't work out either, got to go with your gut and make the best hire you're able to make. Same with QB. For example, when the Giants hired Shurmur my attention was on Vrabel and Reich, if that helps.

I don't think Harbaugh's an option, and the other retreads for HC really don't move me. I don't want to hire a problem child, which is where I file Brian Flores.


Yet again you and I find ourselves in common ground and agreement.

I like the prospects of Ryans. I think he'll be offered a HC job before he turns 40 even, if it's not us this year. He has a strong feel for defensive football and players mentality, good communicator. I get Vrabel vibes with him too a bit, which is good.
I'd have to look at the game again  
JonC : 1/20/2022 4:25 pm : link
but I want to say the cushion given was just too much, moreso than giving them the sidelines. Most DCs won't squeeze the boundary too much in the NFL, because they don't want to surrender the big chunks in the middle of the field unless time is on their side. You've got to shrink the cushion and make the tackle to limit the YAC and perhaps a stop before getting out of bounds. I do see the logic in wanting to protect the boundary.
RE: Comment on DeMeco Ryans  
Jimmy Googs : 1/20/2022 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15562840 Rick in Dallas said:
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I thought on the last Cowboys drive of the game he made a bad strategic decision not to defend the sidelines on the first 3 plays as the Cowboys moved the ball 40 yards easily stopping the clock. It drove me crazy. Other than that I really liked how the 49er’s played defense.
I was more impressed the week earlier where he made some serious half time adjustments to throttle the Rams.
BTW, I am all in on Peters as the next GM


Didn't like it either as if the SF Defense wasn't ready or thinking about the situation there. They adjusted after those first 3 plays and were fortunate Dallas made a bigger gaffe.

To his credit, Ryans' defense did have a nice year in terms of production, and he had argubaly his two best defenders out of the game when it came down to the wire. Seems like his star is on the rise...



Sammo  
JonC : 1/20/2022 4:29 pm : link
Yup, Ryans was an on-field general as a player and word is it has carried over to his DC performance. Dude's a dynamo, you can sense it about him when he speaks and when he's working the games. I'm willing to roll the dice on him especially if one of these GMs agrees he's worth the hire. This is the chance for fresh air we've been looking for! I looked at Vrabel similarly, versatile and smart hungry player who made plays, was part of winning the biggest games, brings the same elements to his role as HC.
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