Just wanted to take the pulse of BBI...
From what I've read about all these candidates I'm personally hoping Peters is the choice, but at the same time I wouldn't say there is anyone that I would NOT be happy with.
All seem very qualified, come from successful programs, and have the right balance of experience + youth.
Since it seems like it will be one of these three, is there anyone you would NOT be happy about the Giants hiring?
Unfortunately, I think Poles was always a fallback option who happened to satisfy the requirement. But he's a BC guy, so I won't be shocked if he gets the job (nor will I be disappointed).
I like all three finalists a lot.
Schoen no doubt is an improvement from what we’ve had but he in my estimation has a lower probability of being successful both because he has the highest chance of using similar systems as the Giants have in place and represents the lowest chance that he was hired because the Giants were interested real change.
Poles is the wild card because he has a looser connection to Giants lineage (representing a higher chance of him being hired based on merits alone) but also doesn’t seem like he has the same buzz around him as a GM than say Schoen.
Boom! I doubt Poles leaves KC for anything but GM role, but he would have a chance to be Schoen/Peters right hand man and build on his resume in areas he’s deficient. Plus, it is a promotion for him…I’m sure we’d lose him in the next couple of years, but that would be such an amazing situation compared to Getts garbage bags of shit we accumulated for 4 years…
You guys think that’s even plausible?
Schoen no doubt is an improvement from what we’ve had but he in my estimation has a lower probability of being successful both because he has the highest chance of using similar systems as the Giants have in place and represents the lowest chance that he was hired because the Giants were interested real change.
Poles is the wild card because he has a looser connection to Giants lineage (representing a higher chance of him being hired based on merits alone) but also doesn’t seem like he has the same buzz around him as a GM than say Schoen.
Chiefs aren't modern?
Schoen seems like a pretty strong candidate as well although I'm a little fuzzy on his Miami days.
Poles I'm just not sure which picks he had a hand in with the Chiefs. There is some talk that he was really more involved on the free agency side. If it's shown that he had a strong hand in the drafts since 2017 then I would put him up with the other two.
I'm good with any of the 3 but like others suspect it'll be Schoen.
Hortiz (no longer seems to be an option but still hoping)
Schoen
Poles.
These all seem like solid options to me.
Hope my boys make the right choice!
Peters has a little more diversity of winning experience and also seems like he was a highly regarded exec even prior to his current job.
6 years with the Pats. 5 where they won the division.
8 years in Denver including 5 straight years where they won their division.
4 years with the Niners, 1 SB and 2 playoff appearances.
Nothing against Poles but he's younger, less experienced, and only been with the Chiefs.
Longer it goes the more I think Schoen is not gonna be the guy. Who knows though.
I'm in this same head space. If a picture is worth a thousand words, a GIF is the only way to explain the feeling of being rid of the disgusting Dave Gettleman:
The man with one word answers. Love the conviction
This
Happy if they are all competent as that is a huge step up for team. Ecstatic if even moreso...
Why?
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That’s my only strong preference.
Why?
Not experienced enough.
Boom! I doubt Poles leaves KC for anything but GM role, but he would have a chance to be Schoen/Peters right hand man and build on his resume in areas he’s deficient. Plus, it is a promotion for him…I’m sure we’d lose him in the next couple of years, but that would be such an amazing situation compared to Getts garbage bags of shit we accumulated for 4 years…
You guys think that’s even plausible?
Why do fans continue to think that titles are a way to win?
All of the existing teams for all of our GM candidates are REQUIRED to allow them to interview/pursue GM positions. But those same candidates are under contract with their existing team, and those teams have not obligation to allow their executives to leave, even for a fancier business card.
There are two levels in the front office: GM, not GM.
There are two levels in the coaching staff: HC, not HC.
All I wanted was for them to get someone from a successful organization, and any of these guys check that box. I’ll be happy with any of the finalists.
Agreed on Peters. Most of the information you find on Peters shows he's very influential in the 49ers conference room. In fact, if you read between the lines, he's sort of the de facto GM and Lynch is more of the wine and dine guy.
All I wanted was for them to get someone from a successful organization, and any of these guys check that box. I’ll be happy with any of the finalists.
Well said.
As long as they can come in and implement an organized and consistent mindset in the building, then I'm good with the credential of all three.
This place would have been hell if the Giants gave that much up and watched Mac Jones go to the Playoffs (I am not saying Trey lance won't be good)
Maybe its a good thing he has the guts to go after a QB just surprised this isn't mentioned much
So you don't have to google:
The 49ers spent the capital of three first round picks and a third round pick on Trey Lance in the 2021 NFL Draft.
This place would have been hell if the Giants gave that much up and watched Mac Jones go to the Playoffs (I am not saying Trey lance won't be good)
Lance looked good in the one game he played. Obviously way to early to judge.
Maybe its a good thing he has the guts to go after a QB just surprised this isn't mentioned much
So you don't have to google:
The 49ers spent the capital of three first round picks and a third round pick on Trey Lance in the 2021 NFL Draft.
This place would have been hell if the Giants gave that much up and watched Mac Jones go to the Playoffs (I am not saying Trey lance won't be good)
Maybe its a good thing he has the guts to go after a QB just surprised this isn't mentioned much
So you don't have to google:
The 49ers spent the capital of three first round picks and a third round pick on Trey Lance in the 2021 NFL Draft.
On a team built that well, it's rather old school that the rookie QB can't crack the starting lineup. But, they're a good team right now that can contend right now and they have a veteran placeholder. I dont view it as a negative long term for Lance. They are grooming him.
Maybe its a good thing he has the guts to go after a QB just surprised this isn't mentioned much
So you don't have to google:
The 49ers spent the capital of three first round picks and a third round pick on Trey Lance in the 2021 NFL Draft.
Just to be clear, the Lance decision was NOT Peters, although Peters was a big advocate. If you read about that decision making process, that was really Shanahan and Lynch. They didn't tell anybody in the franchise until draft day.
The story goes that Shanahan and Lynch decided to seriously consider a QB in the 2021 draft. They went to watch all the top QBs throw. Sometimes together, sometimes apart. Both decided to not tell each other who they liked until they met a few days before the draft. When they met, each revealed that their top selection was Lance.
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Maybe its a good thing he has the guts to go after a QB just surprised this isn't mentioned much
So you don't have to google:
The 49ers spent the capital of three first round picks and a third round pick on Trey Lance in the 2021 NFL Draft.
Just to be clear, the Lance decision was NOT Peters, although Peters was a big advocate. If you read about that decision making process, that was really Shanahan and Lynch. They didn't tell anybody in the franchise until draft day.
The story goes that Shanahan and Lynch decided to seriously consider a QB in the 2021 draft. They went to watch all the top QBs throw. Sometimes together, sometimes apart. Both decided to not tell each other who they liked until they met a few days before the draft. When they met, each revealed that their top selection was Lance.
Just so we have this straight, Peters is the de facto GM and Lynch is just there to wine and dine *except* when it comes to trading 3 first rounders for Trey Lance?
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Maybe its a good thing he has the guts to go after a QB just surprised this isn't mentioned much
So you don't have to google:
The 49ers spent the capital of three first round picks and a third round pick on Trey Lance in the 2021 NFL Draft.
Just to be clear, the Lance decision was NOT Peters, although Peters was a big advocate. If you read about that decision making process, that was really Shanahan and Lynch. They didn't tell anybody in the franchise until draft day.
The story goes that Shanahan and Lynch decided to seriously consider a QB in the 2021 draft. They went to watch all the top QBs throw. Sometimes together, sometimes apart. Both decided to not tell each other who they liked until they met a few days before the draft. When they met, each revealed that their top selection was Lance.
I had never heard that story.
Niners went from #12 to #3 with their deal, and it was done about a month before the Draft. So they damn well better have been ecstatic at that time with at least two other QBs not named Lawrence who was always going to JAX #1 overall.
The lack of connections with the traditional Mara network is refreshing. He has a good chance to be a very strong GM and, while I like all the candidates, he’s my preferred pick.
Just to be clear, the Lance decision was NOT Peters, although Peters was a big advocate. If you read about that decision making process, that was really Shanahan and Lynch. They didn't tell anybody in the franchise until draft day.
The story goes that Shanahan and Lynch decided to seriously consider a QB in the 2021 draft. They went to watch all the top QBs throw. Sometimes together, sometimes apart. Both decided to not tell each other who they liked until they met a few days before the draft. When they met, each revealed that their top selection was Lance.
Just so we have this straight, Peters is the de facto GM and Lynch is just there to wine and dine *except* when it comes to trading 3 first rounders for Trey Lance?
Yes. That's how the 49ers decided to handle that opportunity.
Just to be clear, the Lance decision was NOT Peters, although Peters was a big advocate. If you read about that decision making process, that was really Shanahan and Lynch. They didn't tell anybody in the franchise until draft day.
The story goes that Shanahan and Lynch decided to seriously consider a QB in the 2021 draft. They went to watch all the top QBs throw. Sometimes together, sometimes apart. Both decided to not tell each other who they liked until they met a few days before the draft. When they met, each revealed that their top selection was Lance.
I had never heard that story.
Niners went from #12 to #3 with their deal, and it was done about a month before the Draft. So they damn well better have been ecstatic at that time with at least two other QBs not named Lawrence who was always going to JAX #1 overall.
I'll link the story, but that's how it went. It was a very strange approach. Lynch was relieved when he and Shanahan met, and they had decided on the same guy - Lance.
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Maybe its a good thing he has the guts to go after a QB just surprised this isn't mentioned much
So you don't have to google:
The 49ers spent the capital of three first round picks and a third round pick on Trey Lance in the 2021 NFL Draft.
Just to be clear, the Lance decision was NOT Peters, although Peters was a big advocate. If you read about that decision making process, that was really Shanahan and Lynch. They didn't tell anybody in the franchise until draft day.
The story goes that Shanahan and Lynch decided to seriously consider a QB in the 2021 draft. They went to watch all the top QBs throw. Sometimes together, sometimes apart. Both decided to not tell each other who they liked until they met a few days before the draft. When they met, each revealed that their top selection was Lance.
I had never heard that story.
Niners went from #12 to #3 with their deal, and it was done about a month before the Draft. So they damn well better have been ecstatic at that time with at least two other QBs not named Lawrence who was always going to JAX #1 overall.
That’s why i don’t buy bw’s story - they trade up a month before, and then agree to meet a few days before the draft to trade notes? What if they had different names as their top selection? Who would they have drafted?
And - as CIP said - he was the de facto GM, except deciding on the QB of thr future, which is clearly one the biggest decision a franchise has to make?
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Just to be clear, the Lance decision was NOT Peters, although Peters was a big advocate. If you read about that decision making process, that was really Shanahan and Lynch. They didn't tell anybody in the franchise until draft day.
The story goes that Shanahan and Lynch decided to seriously consider a QB in the 2021 draft. They went to watch all the top QBs throw. Sometimes together, sometimes apart. Both decided to not tell each other who they liked until they met a few days before the draft. When they met, each revealed that their top selection was Lance.
I had never heard that story.
Niners went from #12 to #3 with their deal, and it was done about a month before the Draft. So they damn well better have been ecstatic at that time with at least two other QBs not named Lawrence who was always going to JAX #1 overall.
I'll link the story, but that's how it went. It was a very strange approach. Lynch was relieved when he and Shanahan met, and they had decided on the same guy - Lance.
See the link about the Lance decision.
Lance Story - ( New Window )
Process for Lance - ( New Window )
Thanks bw.
Good reads and this one really points out what I was suggesting...that while they made the deal a month earlier it is because they were already confident in Lance and Fields as being "franchise QB" types and even Matt Jones as a potential one.
So their preliminary assessment was done and they used the last 30 days to narrow it down to Lance vs. Fields. And they both concluded on Lance...
That’s why i don’t buy bw’s story - they trade up a month before, and then agree to meet a few days before the draft to trade notes? What if they had different names as their top selection? Who would they have drafted?
And - as CIP said - he was the de facto GM, except deciding on the QB of thr future, which is clearly one the biggest decision a franchise has to make?
stop being a chucklehead and read the stories he linked...
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In comment 15563774 bw in dc said:
Just to be clear, the Lance decision was NOT Peters, although Peters was a big advocate. If you read about that decision making process, that was really Shanahan and Lynch. They didn't tell anybody in the franchise until draft day.
The story goes that Shanahan and Lynch decided to seriously consider a QB in the 2021 draft. They went to watch all the top QBs throw. Sometimes together, sometimes apart. Both decided to not tell each other who they liked until they met a few days before the draft. When they met, each revealed that their top selection was Lance.
I had never heard that story.
Niners went from #12 to #3 with their deal, and it was done about a month before the Draft. So they damn well better have been ecstatic at that time with at least two other QBs not named Lawrence who was always going to JAX #1 overall.
I'll link the story, but that's how it went. It was a very strange approach. Lynch was relieved when he and Shanahan met, and they had decided on the same guy - Lance.
See the link about the Lance decision. Lance Story - ( New Window )
apologies, bw - didn't mean to imply that I thought YOU made the story up; I meant that I didn't find the story itself credible.
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Just to be clear, the Lance decision was NOT Peters, although Peters was a big advocate. If you read about that decision making process, that was really Shanahan and Lynch. They didn't tell anybody in the franchise until draft day.
The story goes that Shanahan and Lynch decided to seriously consider a QB in the 2021 draft. They went to watch all the top QBs throw. Sometimes together, sometimes apart. Both decided to not tell each other who they liked until they met a few days before the draft. When they met, each revealed that their top selection was Lance.
I had never heard that story.
Niners went from #12 to #3 with their deal, and it was done about a month before the Draft. So they damn well better have been ecstatic at that time with at least two other QBs not named Lawrence who was always going to JAX #1 overall.
I'll link the story, but that's how it went. It was a very strange approach. Lynch was relieved when he and Shanahan met, and they had decided on the same guy - Lance.
If this exact story had come out about the Giants, there is not enough bandwidth on earth to contain the amount of shitposting you would produce about Jints Central.
apologies, bw - didn't mean to imply that I thought YOU made the story up; I meant that I didn't find the story itself credible.
All good. I didn't take it that way.
Thanks bw.
Good reads and this one really points out what I was suggesting...that while they made the deal a month earlier it is because they were already confident in Lance and Fields as being "franchise QB" types and even Matt Jones as a potential one.
So their preliminary assessment was done and they used the last 30 days to narrow it down to Lance vs. Fields. And they both concluded on Lance...
Imagine after this - below - they didn't agree. Based on their authority levels, I think Shanahan would have made the call. That would have been a bit awkward.
San Francisco 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan and general manager John Lynch didn't want to color each other's opinions after swapping first-round picks and trading two future No. 1s and a third-round selection to Miami to move up nine spots in this year's draft. They knew they were going to take a quarterback at No. 3 overall, that much was clear. But which one?