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Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater ...

Manny in CA : 1/20/2022 8:40 pm

Barkley - I know, many here are ready to blow it all up, starting with Saquon Barkley. I think it's way too premature to do that. ACLs like he suffered take a good two years to heal. What he & Deavante Booker did behind embarrassing O-line play is remarkable.

Dan Jones - Stat-wise, he's Eli Manning ....

Manning Career - TDs/Interceptions Ratio (360/244) = 1.47
Pass Completion Average - 60.29; Rating - 84.1

Jones - TDs/Interceptions Ratio (45/29) = 1.55;
Pass Completion Ave - 62.8
Rating - 84.3

The mistakes ...

[b]Nate Solder[b] - He was a mistake, day one. Now, mercifully he's gone.

[b]Kyle Rudolph[b] - Vikings' cast-off; came in broken. Doesn't have much gas in the tank. Gone

[b] Kenny Galladay[b] - Another broken one, but stuck with him , because of Mega contract

The hangers on ?...

[b] Will Hernandez[b] - A good pro lineman, but not good enough to handle his work and help out with suspect center and tackle play on each side of him

[b]Evan Engram - With the receiving corps decimated by injury, he was asked to beat double-teams all day (on top wrestling 300 pound uglies)

[b]Jabrill Peppers - Just when it looked like he was going to be a strong member of an outstanding three safety corps, he went down with injury. Who knows what will happen to him.

The heart-breakers ....

[b]Nick Gates[b] - Not a great athlete, but smart and holds his own against the best defensive linemen. Will probably miss this year, at least. His career may be over after injury. (New GM will probably negotiate an Injury Settlement)

[b]Blake Martinez[b] - His loss to the defense is equivalent to the Offense losing a Pro bowl type QB. Went down with ACL on no contact play. His body is "football done". another Injury settlement.

[b]Sterling Shepard[b] - Jones' most reliable go-to target. He's also has a "football done" body. Injury settlement

You lost me at Will Hernandez  
Doubledeuce22 : 1/20/2022 8:42 pm : link
You can’t be serious? The guy has been atrocious.
The baby  
uconn18 : 1/20/2022 8:43 pm : link
Died in the famine. It can all be dumped

Seriously I think the only baby may be Andrew Thomas
Lol  
Straw Hat : 1/20/2022 8:44 pm : link
Hernandez is one of the worst lineman in the entire league. He can hang on to deez nuts
RE: The baby  
Saos1n : 1/20/2022 8:44 pm : link
In comment 15563322 uconn18 said:
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Died in the famine. It can all be dumped

Seriously I think the only baby may be Andrew Thomas


McKinney, as well
Will Hernandez  
Ben in Tampa : 1/20/2022 8:46 pm : link
can take his Giants helmet...

shiiiiiinnnne it up real nice...

turn that sumbitch sideways

AND SHOVE IT STRAIGHT UP HIS CANDY ASS

Barkley and Jones aren't going anywhere.  
BigBlueNH : 1/20/2022 8:48 pm : link
They are not making huge $$, and their trade value is only slightly above minimal. Why would we give either one away?

We have no replacement for either on the roster. We have no cap space to replace either. None of the college QBs look ready to come in and start, and certainly none are anything close to sure things. We will have cap space and a better college QB class in 2023.
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ron mexico : 1/20/2022 8:50 pm : link
end brackets need to be [/b]
Blake Martinez...  
BamaBlue : 1/20/2022 8:50 pm : link
Football Done... Injury Settlement... Where is that coming from?
I'm not even a deep Eli Manning fan  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/20/2022 8:51 pm : link
And that comparison is fucking insulting.
RE: Barkley and Jones aren't going anywhere.  
ron mexico : 1/20/2022 8:51 pm : link
In comment 15563333 BigBlueNH said:
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They are not making huge $$, and their trade value is only slightly above minimal. Why would we give either one away?

We have no replacement for either on the roster. We have no cap space to replace either. None of the college QBs look ready to come in and start, and certainly none are anything close to sure things. We will have cap space and a better college QB class in 2023.


trading Barkley will free up 7mil in cap space. Plenty of money to sign a suitable guy to play alongside booker. The pick we get back is gravy
I'm excited for a new era...  
bw in dc : 1/20/2022 8:54 pm : link
of Giants management. I have visions of the new GM driving up to Jints Central with a crane and taking a wrecking ball to the "Giants Way".

And here's hoping the new GM and his HC do the right thing and get rid of Jones this offseason. I can't bear to watch - assuming he's healthy - another year of this guy playing QB. He's a bore, can't produce TDs, and can't win.

I don't care if he's cheap or not. BFD. I'd rather watch clothes dry.
Manny  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/20/2022 8:55 pm : link
Your a good poster but I’m glad you weren’t on the GM interview list.
RE: Blake Martinez...  
mitch300 : 1/20/2022 8:56 pm : link
In comment 15563335 BamaBlue said:
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Football Done... Injury Settlement... Where is that coming from?

Yeah, where is this coming from?
RE: I'm excited for a new era...  
Chris in Philly : 1/20/2022 8:56 pm : link
In comment 15563339 bw in dc said:
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of Giants management. I have visions of the new GM driving up to Jints Central with a crane and taking a wrecking ball to the "Giants Way".

And here's hoping the new GM and his HC do the right thing and get rid of Jones this offseason. I can't bear to watch - assuming he's healthy - another year of this guy playing QB. He's a bore, can't produce TDs, and can't win.

I don't care if he's cheap or not. BFD. I'd rather watch clothes dry.


To be fair, we would all rather you watch paint dry too…
Carte  
Les in TO : 1/20/2022 9:00 pm : link
Blanche. Anything and everything is on the table. There are no sacred cows. Thomas and McKinney are young and have produced but really everyone is expendable.
Lost me  
Sammo85 : 1/20/2022 9:04 pm : link
At the first two. Barkley and Jones don’t have futures here.
If Martinez recovery goes well and he shows enough  
Jimmy Googs : 1/20/2022 9:09 pm : link
this summer then he can stay.

The rest of the names on the OP don't care if traded, retire or outright released on all of them.

Baby, bathwater, soap, washcloth, rubber ducky. Dump it, dump it all...
_________  
I am Ninja : 1/20/2022 9:19 pm : link
If there was any poster Id like to have a real life conversation with it would be manny.
Here’s what’s going to happen  
Daniel in MI : 1/20/2022 9:34 pm : link
The new GM will come in. He will look at the roster, obvious changes will be made. Some changes that some folks want will not be made right away for any number of reasons (e.g., thinking some guys are better than evaluated by our resident “experts,” cap management, being unsure about someone and wanting to see them in the new systems, not seeing affordable better options atm, etc.)

This will lead to the usual suspects saying they picked the wrong GM because he must be wrong if he’s not doing X, or he’s a puppet, or they “got to him.” And thus the inevitable cycle of bitching about Jints Central will begin anew, the cycle of life and renewal like a butterfly emerging from its cocoon to crap on the nearest flower.
RE: Here’s what’s going to happen  
GeoMan999 : 1/20/2022 9:42 pm : link
In comment 15563439 Daniel in MI said:
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The new GM will come in. He will look at the roster, obvious changes will be made. Some changes that some folks want will not be made right away for any number of reasons (e.g., thinking some guys are better than evaluated by our resident “experts,” cap management, being unsure about someone and wanting to see them in the new systems, not seeing affordable better options atm, etc.)

This will lead to the usual suspects saying they picked the wrong GM because he must be wrong if he’s not doing X, or he’s a puppet, or they “got to him.” And thus the inevitable cycle of bitching about Jints Central will begin anew, the cycle of life and renewal like a butterfly emerging from its cocoon to crap on the nearest flower.


I agree with you. Everyone thinks blowing everything up means that 75% of the roster will be gone. A good GM will have to balance all the things you mentioned. This is not a one year fix.
There is no baby  
Scooter185 : 1/20/2022 9:47 pm : link
Just murky bathwater
What I'm saying ...  
Manny in CA : 1/20/2022 10:04 pm : link

There are players who will excel no matter how incompetent the play around them; Will is not capable of that - so yes he looks "atrocious" now.

When he had Gates next to him, he graded in the top 10 best guards in the NFL. But, it doesn't matter now; it's a "what have you done for me lately league"

RE: Here’s what’s going to happen  
Les in TO : 1/20/2022 10:10 pm : link
In comment 15563439 Daniel in MI said:
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The new GM will come in. He will look at the roster, obvious changes will be made. Some changes that some folks want will not be made right away for any number of reasons (e.g., thinking some guys are better than evaluated by our resident “experts,” cap management, being unsure about someone and wanting to see them in the new systems, not seeing affordable better options atm, etc.)

This will lead to the usual suspects saying they picked the wrong GM because he must be wrong if he’s not doing X, or he’s a puppet, or they “got to him.” And thus the inevitable cycle of bitching about Jints Central will begin anew, the cycle of life and renewal like a butterfly emerging from its cocoon to crap on the nearest flower.
I think given they did a real search for a GM this time around and assuming the GM leads the search for the coach and restructures the ways of working for scouting , the complaining about ownership will decrease significantly. They saw the light.
What I'm saying about Shep & Martinez ....  
Manny in CA : 1/20/2022 10:13 pm : link

This team is no position to let either have a "recovery year". I DON'T want this for either of these guys. But, seeing them go down in a heap with nobody within 10 yards of them ca't impress a new GM ...

I just don't see any new GM willing to take any chances with seriously injured players, coming back. You know what "they" say - "nothing personal, just business"
The Golladay  
SleepyOwl : 1/20/2022 10:42 pm : link
Signing coupled with the awful Adoree Jackson signing doomed this team. The admin went with highly expensive injury prone skill guys and let walk ole reliables in Tomlinson and Zeitler. Accorsi would’ve never made that mistake. That’s what got this team done for imo.
Billy Price is young  
bluefin : 1/20/2022 10:43 pm : link
and was a top prospect - he may develop
I do not understand the Eli Jones comparison…  
lax counsel : 1/20/2022 10:52 pm : link
They are absolutely nothing alike as qbs. If you want a direct comparison, look at years two and three statistics in major passing categories, yds and TD passes. In year 2 Eli was top 5 in yards and TD passes in the entire league, Jones well…. In year 3 Eli was top 5 in Tds and 11 in yds, Jones, well….

The only comparison is they both were prone to bad decisions, difference is Eli was extremely productive before and after such mistakes, Jones is minimally productive with numbers on par to a career backup. Jones has nothing close to the field vision or command of an offense that Eli had. How many times do we require an TV analyst depicting good protection for Jones, only to see him completely miss an open receiver. In the TB game alone, they pointed out two plays on the same serious that a legit top NFL qb makes a team pay for with a TD, yet Jones misses the open receivers. Just stop with these comparisons or somehow suggesting Manning was a game manager.
Please don’t compare Jones and Eli  
Mike from Ohio : 1/20/2022 11:40 pm : link
It is an atrocious comparison. Even ear,y in his career, when he was losing games and throwing way too many picks, Eli was getting the team lined up correctly, making the rights reads, and showing that he could be relied on with the game on the line. Jones has not shown any of that.
I'm attempting to give Jones a chance ...  
Manny in CA : 1/20/2022 11:46 pm : link

That given the O-lines, receivers and running backs that Eli had, Jones can, at the end perhaps achieve the success that Eli enjoyed.

Eli was never his brother, Payton ....

539 TDs/ 251 INTs = 2.15
65% Completion average
96.5 rating

Nor probably Jones will ever be, but

I don't think he's a throw-away (as some are thinking he is); surround him with quality and he can deliver.
Mike ...  
Manny in CA : 1/20/2022 11:53 pm : link

I guess you don't remember the "Good Eli - Bad Eli" tags that people put on him.

Remember this Photo-shopped picture ? He, unfairly. caught a lot of grief.

https://terezowens.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Screen-Shot-2019-12-26-at-11.46.15-PM.png
RE: Mike ...  
Mike from Ohio : 1/21/2022 9:47 am : link
In comment 15563619 Manny in CA said:
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I guess you don't remember the "Good Eli - Bad Eli" tags that people put on him.

Remember this Photo-shopped picture ? He, unfairly. caught a lot of grief.

https://terezowens.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Screen-Shot-2019-12-26-at-11.46.15-PM.png


Yeah I remember every minute of Eli's career really well, Manny. He struggled early like Jones has. But he also had flashes of really strong play in those times because of how smart he was. He was learning and getting better which is what you want from a young QB?

What improvement have you seen in Jones? His football IQ is subpar. Most of his flashes occurred early in his career and have evaporated. I am not sure what anyone would point to as progress from him?

Yes, the talent around Jones sucks. That doesn't mean he is actually a good QB. What it means is that he has been here 3 years and the only reason to keep him around is hope that he will get smarter in reading defenses and make faster decisions. I'd prefer to not keep hoping a poor player who rarely flashes turns into something suddenly in year 4.
For those of you  
LS : 1/21/2022 10:05 am : link
who think Jones and Barkley should go because they aren't any good, and you want to replace them with better players. Does winning more games next year get you a better shot at a top QB prospect in 2023? If that's the goal, then you should want them to stay.
I agree with Manny! Just because we suck doesn't mean every player  
PatersonPlank : 1/21/2022 10:11 am : link
is bad.
I agree 100% on Barkley - give him next season
Jones - I'd bring in competition and start making him earn it. Draft a QB in Rd 2 or 3, and if this season doesn't work draft a QB in the 2023 draft Rd 1
Hernandez - just let him go. We can get anyone to replace him
Engram - gone
Solder - gone
Peppers - I'm fine with him. When used right he is very productive
Peppers is a very talented player, but we have great talent and  
Ira : 1/21/2022 10:18 am : link
depth at safety and won't be able to afford Peppers' contract.
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