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The New York Giants were the most injured team in the NFL this season pushing them to #1 in the number of games missed by injured players since the 2009 season
Broken ass organization. Yeah Ronnie Barnes (who's like 70 now)!
Ronnie Barnes is yet another symptom of the gross nepotism within this organization. He's being inducted into some local hall of fame. Other than tenure, I'm not sure why.
The Giants use the same turf as half the league. The Giants docs come from HSS a top five orthopedic hospital in the country. Blaming injuries on the trainers never has made any sense to me. This is just “things went wrong so we need to blame someone”. Sometimes things just go wrong.
The Giants use the same turf as half the league. The Giants docs come from HSS a top five orthopedic hospital in the country. Blaming injuries on the trainers never has made any sense to me. This is just “things went wrong so we need to blame someone”. Sometimes things just go wrong.
This is not random chance. Saying there's no problem is really burying your head in the sand and doing the fans, the organization, and most of all, the players, a huge disservice. I am sure the new GM will take a serious look at this data and figure out a plan for lowering the injury rate and not just saying there's no problem here, because there clearly is.
The Giants use the same turf as half the league. The Giants docs come from HSS a top five orthopedic hospital in the country. Blaming injuries on the trainers never has made any sense to me. This is just “things went wrong so we need to blame someone”. Sometimes things just go wrong.
This is not random chance. Saying there's no problem is really burying your head in the sand and doing the fans, the organization, and most of all, the players, a huge disservice. I am sure the new GM will take a serious look at this data and figure out a plan for lowering the injury rate and not just saying there's no problem here, because there clearly is.
Every team in the league studies injuries. Every team takes that seriously including the Giants The Giants have had brutal injury issues no matter the turf they used or the trainers and doctors they hired. They’ve also had years of healthy teams. Happens all over the league.
Broken ass organization. Yeah Ronnie Barnes (who's like 70 now)!
Ronnie Barnes is yet another symptom of the gross nepotism within this organization. He's being inducted into some local hall of fame. Other than tenure, I'm not sure why.
So true.
It just doesn't make sense given the facts about Giants' injuries that he would be permitted to keep his job.
the Jets use the same stuff and are in the middle of the pack
Jets don’t use the same training facility and practice fields nor do they use the same staff. Same for the rest of the league. A lot of the Giants’ injuries don’t show up right after a home game.
Giants have been getting pushed around and beat up by
on BBI to pooh pooh injuries as a reason for a poor W/L record. "Every team has injuries!" they say, which is true, but the injury totals and impact are NOT the same. I never bought into that. Are some teams better than others at handling that? Sure. But they take a toll that can't be denied. The fact that the most injured team has the worst record should come as no revelation to anyone.
The data isn't there, but I would bet that the 2 years the Giants had Aaron Wellman as their S&C coach, the injuries went down significantly, and they went up significantly once he left.....Giants need to get that guy back....I am pretty sure that wherever Wellman goes, the injuries go down
Anyone who thinks bad luck hasn't been a part of this
The data isn't there, but I would bet that the 2 years the Giants had Aaron Wellman as their S&C coach, the injuries went down significantly, and they went up significantly once he left.....Giants need to get that guy back....I am pretty sure that wherever Wellman goes, the injuries go down
I was just going to state this. Wellman came with McAdoo and the Giants were very healthy in 2016 when they went 11-5. Wellman is at Indiana University now.
The data isn't there, but I would bet that the 2 years the Giants had Aaron Wellman as their S&C coach, the injuries went down significantly, and they went up significantly once he left.....Giants need to get that guy back....I am pretty sure that wherever Wellman goes, the injuries go down
I think there are a number of issues at play here.
As suggested above Training and Conditioning is likely subpar
Also as suggested above, individual players getting beaten likely puts them in more awkward physical positions which is more likely to lead to injury. It seems like we tons of WR injuries, which may be related to poor QB play putting the ball where it is leaving the receivers vulnerable
playing on a losing team, players are more likely to make a business decision rather than push themselves to get out there for the games
Ty Siam! This is supposed to be hi analytical expertise. "A rising star" we were told. Most of the Giants analytics have focused on health and training of players. Working back from results, it would appear the Giants efforts here are subpar as well.
RE: These muthafucka embedded images in a muthafucking OP
I was going to comment how Reddit and other places seem to rank our turf as one of the worst in the league, but the fact that the Jets are mid-pack makes that excuse less reasonable.
RE: Anyone who thinks bad luck hasn't been a part of this
I was going to comment how Reddit and other places seem to rank our turf as one of the worst in the league, but the fact that the Jets are mid-pack makes that excuse less reasonable.
Can't rule out a combination of the turf, medical, and strength staffs. Maybe the Jets would be ranked higher if not for the turf. Hard to say definitively but this goes beyond random chance.
Uh huh.
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the Jets use the same stuff and are in the middle of the pack
I don't care, spend the money, change it, change the doctors, change the trainers.
Ronnie Barnes is yet another symptom of the gross nepotism within this organization. He's being inducted into some local hall of fame. Other than tenure, I'm not sure why.
This is not random chance. Saying there's no problem is really burying your head in the sand and doing the fans, the organization, and most of all, the players, a huge disservice. I am sure the new GM will take a serious look at this data and figure out a plan for lowering the injury rate and not just saying there's no problem here, because there clearly is.
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The Giants use the same turf as half the league. The Giants docs come from HSS a top five orthopedic hospital in the country. Blaming injuries on the trainers never has made any sense to me. This is just “things went wrong so we need to blame someone”. Sometimes things just go wrong.
This is not random chance. Saying there's no problem is really burying your head in the sand and doing the fans, the organization, and most of all, the players, a huge disservice. I am sure the new GM will take a serious look at this data and figure out a plan for lowering the injury rate and not just saying there's no problem here, because there clearly is.
Every team in the league studies injuries. Every team takes that seriously including the Giants The Giants have had brutal injury issues no matter the turf they used or the trainers and doctors they hired. They’ve also had years of healthy teams. Happens all over the league.
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Broken ass organization. Yeah Ronnie Barnes (who's like 70 now)!
Ronnie Barnes is yet another symptom of the gross nepotism within this organization. He's being inducted into some local hall of fame. Other than tenure, I'm not sure why.
So true.
It just doesn't make sense given the facts about Giants' injuries that he would be permitted to keep his job.
Jets don’t use the same training facility and practice fields nor do they use the same staff. Same for the rest of the league. A lot of the Giants’ injuries don’t show up right after a home game.
No surprise it has led to many injuries...
They've had a bunch of career killing/altering injuries both on and off the field to players who were lined up for long term roles.
JPP, Beatty, Nicks, Cruz, Boss, Ballard, Smith, Wilson, Terrell Thomas, Chad Jones.
I feel like there are probably even more I'm forgetting.
I was just going to state this. Wellman came with McAdoo and the Giants were very healthy in 2016 when they went 11-5. Wellman is at Indiana University now.
I think there are a number of issues at play here.
As suggested above Training and Conditioning is likely subpar
Also as suggested above, individual players getting beaten likely puts them in more awkward physical positions which is more likely to lead to injury. It seems like we tons of WR injuries, which may be related to poor QB play putting the ball where it is leaving the receivers vulnerable
playing on a losing team, players are more likely to make a business decision rather than push themselves to get out there for the games
Ty Siam! This is supposed to be hi analytical expertise. "A rising star" we were told. Most of the Giants analytics have focused on health and training of players. Working back from results, it would appear the Giants efforts here are subpar as well.
I was going to comment how Reddit and other places seem to rank our turf as one of the worst in the league, but the fact that the Jets are mid-pack makes that excuse less reasonable.
They've had a bunch of career killing/altering injuries both on and off the field to players who were lined up for long term roles.
JPP, Beatty, Nicks, Cruz, Boss, Ballard, Smith, Wilson, Terrell Thomas, Chad Jones.
I feel like there are probably even more I'm forgetting.
This is true. Bad luck plays a part. But to write off a 12 year trend as nothing more than that is absurd.
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I was going to comment how Reddit and other places seem to rank our turf as one of the worst in the league, but the fact that the Jets are mid-pack makes that excuse less reasonable.
Can't rule out a combination of the turf, medical, and strength staffs. Maybe the Jets would be ranked higher if not for the turf. Hard to say definitively but this goes beyond random chance.