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McDaniels now +200 to become next NYG HC

Big Rick in FL : 1/21/2022 1:34 am
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@PFF_Bet: Josh McDaniels is (+200) to be the next head coach of the NY Giants


Not sure if this means anything, but prior to today he was always pretty far down the list. Curious if someone got word we are hiring Adam Peters as our next GM.
I'm really warming to this guy  
Producer : 1/21/2022 2:01 am : link
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I was hoping peters would like Mike McDaniels  
CV36 : 1/21/2022 2:26 am : link
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Giants were set to interview McDaniels in 2020  
Vanzetti : 1/21/2022 3:35 am : link
But they hired Judge the day before the interview. I guess Giants were afraid someone else would hire Judge first.

So, maybe this is a chance to rewrite history and get it right this time.
Josh McDaniels?  
Giantophile : 1/21/2022 4:35 am : link
And not Mike McDaniel? But....why?
So McDaniels wants another raise in New England?  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/21/2022 5:28 am : link
More influence over personnel decisions? Assurance that he will take over from Belichick?

Isn't screwing other teams his go-to negotiating tactic?
Peters and McDaniels were together in Denver  
jeff57 : 1/21/2022 5:57 am : link
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I hear  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/21/2022 6:04 am : link
Joe Judge is available for special teams coach.
RE: I hear  
cjac : 1/21/2022 6:17 am : link
In comment 15563672 Eric from BBI said:
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Joe Judge is available for special teams coach.


He was very innovative, running the punt team on to the field as the play clock ran down…. That fooled everyone every time
Enough with the New England cast offs  
bradshaw44 : 1/21/2022 6:40 am : link
Go get someone that can win and has proven so without Tom Brady as his QB.
No way they go that way  
ZogZerg : 1/21/2022 6:54 am : link
If they do they hired the wrong GM.
RE: I hear  
GiantTuff1 : 1/21/2022 7:04 am : link
In comment 15563672 Eric from BBI said:
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Joe Judge is available for special teams coach.


Kick down the forbidden door.
Sudden heavy movement in lines normally means there is smoke  
Saos1n : 1/21/2022 7:04 am : link
Not sure how to feel about this.
There was smoke around this  
GiantTuff1 : 1/21/2022 7:09 am : link
some time ago about those two being a package deal.

Together in NE. A poster above noted their overlap in Denver.

I’ve liked McDaniels and wanted him the last two hiring cycles, but now I’m not as hot on it but I think he will be a good coach his second go around and would support it if Peters is the new GM and wants it.

I’m just not sure where he fits in the equation of the cutting edge NFL offenses / programs these days.
I was all too warm with the idea of Schoen/Daboll  
Saos1n : 1/21/2022 7:12 am : link
And although Peters track record with scouting appears to be extremely strong, I’m not sure Josh McDaniels would be the right move

I’d prefer he took a chance on either of the coordinators with San Fran, if Peters were offered the job, honestly
Can’t wait to be left  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 1/21/2022 7:13 am : link
at the altar like Indy.
Peters/McDaniels has been speculated as a pair for awhile  
Sean : 1/21/2022 7:13 am : link
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Mdgiantsfan : 1/21/2022 7:17 am : link
as inexperas Mike McDaniel is I’d still take him over Josh McDaniels. I’m in favor of Peters but not with Josh. I’d rather have Doug Pederson or Flores.
This is a misleading post  
Josh in the City : 1/21/2022 7:23 am : link
Mcdaniels has been +200 since at LEAST January 18th which was the last time I looked. That’s before Peters 2nd interview so it has nothing to do with any info leaking.
RE: I hear  
stoneman : 1/21/2022 7:26 am : link
In comment 15563672 Eric from BBI said:
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Joe Judge is available for special teams coach.


Actually, he is available for head coach again as well - I hear he interviews well - lol
Rooney Rule  
section125 : 1/21/2022 7:28 am : link
Do you think it is demoralizing to the Black candidates sort of knowing they are the Rooney candidate? The NFL is right to try and get more Black front office people and there are absolutely fine Black candidates for these high level jobs. I suppose being able to interview, get experience and your name out there is important for the resume. But does it lead to cynicism in minority front office candidates that it is just a ploy to fulfill a requirement. After all these years, aside from Ozzie(who is probably the best GM/VP in the last 25 years) where are the Black GMs? I think Mike Tomlinson could be a very good GM as could have Tony Dungy.

BTW, reading the bio on Ryan Poles leads me to believe this guy will be a GM soon - seems sharp and comes from a very good organization.
Why do people  
Big Rick in FL : 1/21/2022 7:30 am : link
Not want McDaniels? Is it because he fucked the Colts?
RE: Why do people  
Sean : 1/21/2022 7:33 am : link
In comment 15563720 Big Rick in FL said:
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Not want McDaniels? Is it because he fucked the Colts?

For me, it’s trust. What he pulled with the Colts was fucked up. Whose to say it wouldn’t happen again? Maybe he was made aware of Luck not being all in, I don’t know.

In a vacuum, I like McDaniels.
RE: I was hoping peters would like Mike McDaniels  
bw in dc : 1/21/2022 7:40 am : link
In comment 15563661 CV36 said:
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I hate to play the role of Gator here, but it's Mike McDaniel. No s at the end. ;)
RE: I was all too warm with the idea of Schoen/Daboll  
GiantTuff1 : 1/21/2022 7:41 am : link
In comment 15563708 Saos1n said:
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And although Peters track record with scouting appears to be extremely strong, I’m not sure Josh McDaniels would be the right move

I’d prefer he took a chance on either of the coordinators with San Fran, if Peters were offered the job, honestly


I'm also warming to the idea of someone like DeMeco Ryans leading the way. I wanted the Giants to draft him back in 2006, but they opted for Mathias Kiwanuka, which worked out alright.

I did hate how Ryans defended Dallas at the end of that playoff game -- not sure if that's a red flag -- but he seems a bright guy and a strong leader and hopefully would try to bring in strong coordinators. I guess the unknown is always sexier, like it was with Judge.

Regarding McDaniels, it's good he had that crash and burn experience in Denver to learn from. While very young, he took a Tebow led team to the playoffs and beat a heavily favored Pittsburgh. The wheels fell off the next year, but he did do some bold and impressive things including beating BB in the Pats hay day.
no thanks. A) the Belichick assts have been largely awful and  
Victor in CT : 1/21/2022 7:45 am : link
secondly, he's an untrustworthy dick. Third, he was a flop in Denver already.
Maybe  
cokeduplt : 1/21/2022 7:54 am : link
They think Peters is going to be the GM that’s why. I want Peters don’t want McDaniels at all.
RE: Why do people  
mfsd : 1/21/2022 8:00 am : link
In comment 15563720 Big Rick in FL said:
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Not want McDaniels? Is it because he fucked the Colts?


He was a pretty epic flameout in Denver too. I'm sure he's learned some lessons since then, but I understand why people are wary.

This isnt exactly new, it happened after 2nd interviews were announced  
j_rud : 1/21/2022 8:00 am : link
Anyway, I was trying to look at devils advocate-type reasoning just for the sake of discussion but I cant. Part of me feels like you cant act like the Belichick tree is poison and that each of these guys deserve to be thought of as individuals. You run the risk of missing out on a great coach if you dont. But damn the evidence is pretty overwhelming isn't it? and his time in Denver was pretty awful.

We all said we wanted the new GM to run the show so if this comes to fruition Im gonna reserve judgement and hope for the best.
RE: This isnt exactly new, it happened after 2nd interviews were announced  
Big Rick in FL : 1/21/2022 8:02 am : link
In comment 15563757 j_rud said:
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Anyway, I was trying to look at devils advocate-type reasoning just for the sake of discussion but I cant. Part of me feels like you cant act like the Belichick tree is poison and that each of these guys deserve to be thought of as individuals. You run the risk of missing out on a great coach if you dont. But damn the evidence is pretty overwhelming isn't it? and his time in Denver was pretty awful.

We all said we wanted the new GM to run the show so if this comes to fruition Im gonna reserve judgement and hope for the best.


The Twitter account just posted it at 6:20 last night. I assumed it was new.
Josh Mcdaniels is illogical  
5BowlsSoon : 1/21/2022 8:05 am : link
It must be the other Mcdaniels guy…the one from SF that is being mentioned.

Why in the heck would NY be interested in Josh? Why would Schoen, Poles, and Peters be interested in JOSH MCDANIELS.
RE: Why do people  
Mdgiantsfan : 1/21/2022 8:11 am : link
In comment 15563720 Big Rick in FL said:
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Not want McDaniels? Is it because he fucked the Colts?


Absolutely that entire situation comes into play. But he also had the greatest QB and HC of all time in NE, are you confident that their offensive success was heavily based on his efforts?
I think the more i thi.nk about it  
Dnew15 : 1/21/2022 8:17 am : link
I want a guy that's going to bring in the the best coordinators.

The more I watch the NFL- the more I think that it really matters who's responsible for both sides of the football.
If the Giants passed on interviewing McDaniels 2 years ago...  
Jim in Tampa : 1/21/2022 8:25 am : link
Why would they want him as a HC now?

I just don't see Mara being able to "sell" Giants fans on back-to-back Belichick guys, especially when all the previous ones failed.
I  
Toth029 : 1/21/2022 8:28 am : link
Think he's a good OC under Belichick.

His offensive ranks reflect that. In Denver as HC and his single season as OC in STL, his offenses were less than impressive.
RE: Why do people  
cosmicj : 1/21/2022 8:35 am : link
In comment 15563720 Big Rick in FL said:
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Not want McDaniels? Is it because he fucked the Colts?


McDaniels came in to the Denver job and in short order so alienated his franchise QB, Jay Cutler, that Cutler demanded a trade. Then he accepts the Colts job, reverses himself and leaves his staff in limbo. A massive selfish a**hole. That’s before we take into account his lack of success in Denver. So there are doubts about his ability at that level.

I’m very much against this and also think Mara would have a problem with it.
I'm with Big Rick  
mittenedman : 1/21/2022 8:40 am : link
I'd take McDaniels over Daboll in a NY minute. He's legit. What he did this year with Mac Jones is pretty impressive.
Take away all of his success as a OC  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/21/2022 8:45 am : link
I think people will be impressed with his work with Mac Jones. Giants may be in the market for a new QB the next year or two. Here you have someone that has been through the evaluation process and then produced strong results with that QB.

Yes he has some baggage. He could also have learned and grown from it. If the new GM is on board then I an as well.
hell no  
Greg from LI : 1/21/2022 8:49 am : link
McDaniels is the last guy I want to see. Was a disaster in Denver, has no personal integrity, and have we really not learned to avoid Belichick assistants by now?
RE: hell no  
Jints in Carolina : 1/21/2022 8:57 am : link
In comment 15563843 Greg from LI said:
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McDaniels is the last guy I want to see. Was a disaster in Denver, has no personal integrity, and have we really not learned to avoid Belichick assistants by now?


this....fuck that guy
RE: RE: This isnt exactly new, it happened after 2nd interviews were announced  
j_rud : 1/21/2022 9:04 am : link
In comment 15563760 Big Rick in FL said:
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In comment 15563757 j_rud said:


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Anyway, I was trying to look at devils advocate-type reasoning just for the sake of discussion but I cant. Part of me feels like you cant act like the Belichick tree is poison and that each of these guys deserve to be thought of as individuals. You run the risk of missing out on a great coach if you dont. But damn the evidence is pretty overwhelming isn't it? and his time in Denver was pretty awful.

We all said we wanted the new GM to run the show so if this comes to fruition Im gonna reserve judgement and hope for the best.



The Twitter account just posted it at 6:20 last night. I assumed it was new.


No worries man, wasn't trying to take a shot, just clarifying that it probably isn't an indication of an impending announcement. I mean Peters could absolutely be the guy but the movement on the line was related to the 2nd interview.
RE: RE: hell no  
bradshaw44 : 1/21/2022 9:07 am : link
In comment 15563858 Jints in Carolina said:
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In comment 15563843 Greg from LI said:


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McDaniels is the last guy I want to see. Was a disaster in Denver, has no personal integrity, and have we really not learned to avoid Belichick assistants by now?



this....fuck that guy


+3
Anyone have full updated odds list?  
DaddyM89 : 1/21/2022 9:07 am : link
Only seeing old odds from last week when I look
RE: Why do people  
PatersonPlank : 1/21/2022 9:08 am : link
In comment 15563720 Big Rick in FL said:
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Not want McDaniels? Is it because he fucked the Colts?


And because he pulled a "Joe Judge" as HC of Denver.
Please, not again.
He's Belichick's replacement, it always seems that's been set  
GFAN52 : 1/21/2022 9:10 am : link
in stone.
RE: RE: Why do people  
MartyNJ1969 : 1/21/2022 9:13 am : link
In comment 15563771 Mdgiantsfan said:
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In comment 15563720 Big Rick in FL said:


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Not want McDaniels? Is it because he fucked the Colts?

Yes



Absolutely that entire situation comes into play. But he also had the greatest QB and HC of all time in NE, are you confident that their offensive success was heavily based on his efforts?
RE: Rooney Rule  
MotownGIANTS : 1/21/2022 9:14 am : link
In comment 15563719 section125 said:
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Do you think it is demoralizing to the Black candidates sort of knowing they are the Rooney candidate? The NFL is right to try and get more Black front office people and there are absolutely fine Black candidates for these high level jobs. I suppose being able to interview, get experience and your name out there is important for the resume. But does it lead to cynicism in minority front office candidates that it is just a ploy to fulfill a requirement. After all these years, aside from Ozzie(who is probably the best GM/VP in the last 25 years) where are the Black GMs? I think Mike Tomlinson could be a very good GM as could have Tony Dungy.

BTW, reading the bio on Ryan Poles leads me to believe this guy will be a GM soon - seems sharp and comes from a very good organization.



Stop looking at the rule in a vaccum .... there literally has been HUNDREDS of years of oppression then a system predicated on keeping people oppressed (the actual govt placed guns and drugs in black communitities then the govt says lets have a war on drugs and guns in those same ares). Viewed and treated as less than simply due to some BS lies. Why would something made to offset and balance be viewed as negative. Had the Redlining, Racism, Opression economically, educational and opportunity wise not take place over centuries and decades we ar not even having this questioning or debate WHY ... BECAUSE YOU HAVE BLACK PEOPLE OWNING TEAMS IN ALL MAJOR SPORTS, COMPANIES IN COMMERCE and FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, etc.
Not just black people  
MotownGIANTS : 1/21/2022 9:19 am : link
just think about the genocide committed against the NATIVE AMERICAN AND THE MEXICAN PEOPLE ....

People forget quickly  
David B. : 1/21/2022 9:26 am : link
How he fucked over the Colts. He SHOULD be radioactive to anyone but the Patriots.
RE: Rooney Rule  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/21/2022 9:27 am : link
In comment 15563719 section125 said:
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Do you think it is demoralizing to the Black candidates sort of knowing they are the Rooney candidate? The NFL is right to try and get more Black front office people and there are absolutely fine Black candidates for these high level jobs. I suppose being able to interview, get experience and your name out there is important for the resume. But does it lead to cynicism in minority front office candidates that it is just a ploy to fulfill a requirement. After all these years, aside from Ozzie(who is probably the best GM/VP in the last 25 years) where are the Black GMs? I think Mike Tomlinson could be a very good GM as could have Tony Dungy.

BTW, reading the bio on Ryan Poles leads me to believe this guy will be a GM soon - seems sharp and comes from a very good organization.

The idea of anyone being a token interview is definitely a concern, but part of the point of the Rooney Rule is to even get more minority candidates considered, and in that sense, it's working. The red flag, IMO, is when the same candidate(s) pop up repeatedly for all teams' hiring cycles. IIRC, Leslie Frazier seemed like the de facto Rooney candidate for years. But by some accounts, Mike Tomlin originally got the Pittsburgh HC job based on a stellar interview that he might not have gotten had it not been for the Rooney Rule. I think the same might have been the case for Raheem Morris in Tampa.

As it relates to GM candidates, I think we're probably just starting to scratch the surface with regards to really good minority candidates. Part of the process was getting minority executives into front offices to allow them to become qualified candidates, and that seems be taking place. Looking at the Giants' GM search, we had four minority candidates out of nine original interviewees, and all of them would have been compelling options.

Sure, only one of those four made it to the final round, so three were eliminated, but three white candidates were also eliminated in the first round as well.
RE: People forget quickly  
JB_in_DC : 1/21/2022 9:32 am : link
In comment 15563922 David B. said:
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How he fucked over the Colts. He SHOULD be radioactive to anyone but the Patriots.


Belichick quit on the Jets. Should the Pats have avoided him?
RE: RE: Why do people  
Section331 : 1/21/2022 9:36 am : link
In comment 15563756 mfsd said:
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In comment 15563720 Big Rick in FL said:


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Not want McDaniels? Is it because he fucked the Colts?



He was a pretty epic flameout in Denver too. I'm sure he's learned some lessons since then, but I understand why people are wary.


This. I wanted the Giants to hire him in 2018, but after the Indy fiasco? I'd be very hesitant about offering him anything.
Offensively would be a big improvement IMO,  
Simms11 : 1/21/2022 9:56 am : link
however, how is he interacting with personnel and how is he managing a team, a game?@ etc.
RE: RE: People forget quickly  
Victor in CT : 1/21/2022 10:17 am : link
In comment 15563933 JB_in_DC said:
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In comment 15563922 David B. said:


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How he fucked over the Colts. He SHOULD be radioactive to anyone but the Patriots.



Belichick quit on the Jets. Should the Pats have avoided him?


He quit on the Jets to join the Pats if I remember correctly. The Pats were in on it.
RE: RE: People forget quickly  
Greg from LI : 1/21/2022 10:55 am : link
In comment 15563933 JB_in_DC said:
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Belichick quit on the Jets. Should the Pats have avoided him?


That was a very different situation. The Two Bills 30 for 30 laid out what happened. Parcells resigned as head coach because Belichick's contract said he would get the job if Parcells stepped down. He didn't speak to Belichick about it beforehand, and Belichick didn't want the job because of the ownership being uncertain after the death of Leon Hess.

Josh McDaniels interviewed for the Colts job, was offered the job, accepted it, and then reneged.
RE: Rooney Rule  
NINEster : 1/21/2022 10:56 am : link
In comment 15563719 section125 said:
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Do you think it is demoralizing to the Black candidates sort of knowing they are the Rooney candidate? The NFL is right to try and get more Black front office people and there are absolutely fine Black candidates for these high level jobs. I suppose being able to interview, get experience and your name out there is important for the resume. But does it lead to cynicism in minority front office candidates that it is just a ploy to fulfill a requirement. After all these years, aside from Ozzie(who is probably the best GM/VP in the last 25 years) where are the Black GMs? I think Mike Tomlinson could be a very good GM as could have Tony Dungy.



It's unfortunate these measures need to be put in place.

Leaving meritocracy out of this for a second, consider the race breakdowns of high school and college football versus the NFL. I would wager that high school football race breakdowns mostly mirrors the ethnic breakdown of the local community, whereas college is somewhere in between the NFL and high school.

At each juncture, the more talented players move on and the less talented players tend to go into coaching.

Yes, you get guys like a Jim Harbaugh or Byron Leftwitch who played in the NFL and then became a coach. But for the most part, people have to understand coaching is a profession in itself, not just something retired players pick up and do.

Becoming a *head coach* in the NFL, is tough. Becoming a successful one is really tough. And that's assuming you've got the goods inside yourself......now you gotta also luck into a QB (modern NFL), and decent owner/GM (and for some coaches, luck with injuries).

It's so hard to make everything go right to be successful. It doesn't get talked about, but maybe being a very good head coach is as rare as a franchise QB.....probably rarer.

Just like there are not even 32 franchise QBs in the NFL, there aren't going to be 32 good coaches. So let's say conservatively, 20 head coaches are worthy at any given time......how the hell are you going to be able to pin that down to race percentages? LOL.

IMO, owners and GMs study the candidates hard, and go with their gut. Mike Tomlin had a solid but not amazing resume before becoming the Steelers HC, and now would be top of any list if he became available. Was this his first ever season under .500? Insane.

Now Demeco Ryans who even Niner fans were not sure TWO MONTHS AGO would be a good enough DC is getting HC considerations?!!

Good for him, would hate to lose him. But if he got it, wouldn't be a Rooney hire at all.

Vance Joseph beat out Kyle Shanahan for the Broncos job. Son of the best Broncos HC ever lost out to Vance Joseph. Lots of Broncos fans have made note of that.

Shit's tiring. If you're amazing in 2022, you will get your shot no matter how you look.
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