Ian O'Connor : Two Man race between Peters and Schoen

because of age and lack of experience in terms of managing a whole operation. We went outside our comfort zone by interviewing all three, but here is where you have to take the safest choice and that is Schoen because he does so much in running Buffalo according to most.

..."Yeah. No, no, no, wait a minute, I always have tuna on toast. Nothing's ever worked out for me with tuna on toast. I want the complete opposite of tuna on toast. Chicken salad, on rye, untoasted... and a cup of tea."

In comment 15564049 Eric from BBI said:

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Both seem like fine choices. They are not my worry. My worry is how much control they will actually have. Will they be allowed to gut the scouting department? Can they really hire the coaches? Can they tell Chris Mara to stay out of personnel issues?

this! we have so much to fix
Front Office, personnel and scouts/scouting, nepotism, coaching, analytics, new field turf, new medical team, strength & conditioning

thats just to name a few what we need the new GM to lead

In comment 15564049 Eric from BBI said:

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Both seem like fine choices. They are not my worry. My worry is how much control they will actually have. Will they be allowed to gut the scouting department? Can they really hire the coaches? Can they tell Chris Mara to stay out of personnel issues?

carte blanche

At this point we have to assume mara is giving this person full control and the ability to take our franchise into the future.

I like both. Felt it was gonna be schoen always but peters is a nice choice and niners are always deep. Im good with either...i think BBI mostly feels like we have 2 good choices

They just fired a HC who was a Pats coordinator and have steered away from the NE guys in the GM process.

In comment 15564067 UberAlias said:

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I'm mostly just giving Eric a hard time for being a sour puss.

can you blame him. The most exciting thing about the giants the last 10 or so years has been firing DG and Judge and starting fresh...that is the best thing that has happened to this franchise.

It great to have faith and I am hoping for the best...but Mara's track record is pretty poor...but we can only hope.

In comment 15564058 Producer said:

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about what separates these candidates. It's a bunch of speculation on here with insufficient data. We're not in the room. We're not doing the due diligence. I hope we get the smartest, most forward thinking guy who doesn't rely on cluches and truisms to do his job. That's what I hope. Get the snaetest guy, not the most footballiest guy.

This. We don't know which candidate was banging the table for which prospect they didn't draft or is responsible for the ones they did. We also have no idea how they'd run an org if not for Beane/Lynch.

Brings a revolutionary approach that the Giants need.

In comment 15564049 Eric from BBI said:

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Both seem like fine choices. They are not my worry. My worry is how much control they will actually have. Will they be allowed to gut the scouting department? Can they really hire the coaches? Can they tell Chris Mara to stay out of personnel issues?

I’ll be a little worried that the GM doesn’t have total control if they go with Schoen. Between him and Peters, Schoen seems like he just wants a GM job in general with his camp apparently saying he’s very interested in the Bears job as well. Peters is a west coast guy and if he’s coming here, it makes me think he has full control to do whatever he wants.

In comment 15564049 Eric from BBI said:

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Both seem like fine choices. They are not my worry. My worry is how much control they will actually have. Will they be allowed to gut the scouting department? Can they really hire the coaches? Can they tell Chris Mara to stay out of personnel issues?

BINGO! You got that right.

In comment 15564080 mphbullet36 said:

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In comment 15564067 UberAlias said: Quote: I'm mostly just giving Eric a hard time for being a sour puss. can you blame him. The most exciting thing about the giants the last 10 or so years has been firing DG and Judge and starting fresh...that is the best thing that has happened to this franchise. It great to have faith and I am hoping for the best...but Mara's track record is pretty poor...but we can only hope.

No, of course I don't blame him. More like trying to to take things so seriously. But it is very clear that the process was changed this time around, and for the better. That would be hard to refute. They can still blow it, of course, but many refuse to acknowledge any progress, even when there is a lot of it staring in our faces.

I don't know how we can assume anything of the sort.

I'm actually not overly confident that Mara will allow the new GM to run things.

I meant.

Interesting that word leaked about a week ago that Mara liked Flores.

I am sure Poles represented well and good move by the Giants getting that word out. Young guy, perhaps somewhere down the line they revisit him.

but from everything i'm reading over the last couple of days i've changed my mind and i want Peters. I think he'll be the guy. Or at least i hope he is

the start of 2018 actually...

In comment 15564049 Eric from BBI said:

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Both seem like fine choices. They are not my worry. My worry is how much control they will actually have. Will they be allowed to gut the scouting department? Can they really hire the coaches? Can they tell Chris Mara to stay out of personnel issues?

I'm hoping that somehow the law has already been laid down to Chris that the new GM/HC have say over all coaches and players.

In comment 15564097 Eric from BBI said:

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I don't know how we can assume anything of the sort. I'm actually not overly confident that Mara will allow the new GM to run things.

well for now, we assume and see how it shakes out. If he doesnt, we are fucked anyways right? So for now, lets try and be positive. clearly mara had more balls this offseason so far than anyone expected so...so far so good...

In comment 15564097 Eric from BBI said:

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I don't know how we can assume anything of the sort. I'm actually not overly confident that Mara will allow the new GM to run things.

It is not unreasonable to assume it for several reasons. Starting with the fact that in the last cycle of head coach hiring the word was they were looking to bring in a man to help them rebuild the program. That is suggestion 1 pointing to some acknowledgement that things need to change. Item 2 is moving on from Abrams, meaning going out of Mara's comfort zone. Item 3 is the candidates they are looking at are not stretches here. They have strong resumes and many will have options either in this cycle or in near future. The question will be asked. Item 4 is having Chris Mara in the room for the interview suggests that when it is discussed it's out in the open and not shying away from it. Item 5 is that it was communicated to season ticket holders.
Item 6 is that is is being reported from beats and this information came from somewhere. So yes, maybe all a big lie, but there is depth to the notion that things are changing.

give me the one who's gonna pull of a trade for Deshaun Watson

In comment 15564022 illmatic said:

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But I really hope it’s Peters. I think his track record is more impressive and I’m worried Schoen is getting an edge because of some old Parcells connection. It would make me think they aren’t completely giving up on the weird Giants Way/have a connection to the franchise somehow stuff.

You re worried about a Parcells ‘ connection? Sorry, don’t get that.

I think the new GM/HC will get two good years to make the decisions. I do not expect they can rid of anyone but I believe Mara has set some parameters that both candidates are probably comfortable with. If he breaks that trust then the Giants are doomed.

If we do not see some big strides in 2023 where you can recognize a up and coming team then the meddling commences in 2024.

In comment 15563974 UberAlias said:

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But it feels like they have it narrowed down to the correct two.

(mostly I just like the way the 49ers are run) but I am very buoyed by the entire process thus far and am thrilled we are getting a GM (regardless of which we hire) that is 1) from outside the org, and 2) is coming from a quality and well run football organization.

really hoping this is a major turning point for this Giants org,

Who is "everyone?"

Look at the Bills roster. It’s loaded on both sides of the ball. Completely build from scratch after they gutted the Rex Ryan teams. They’ve done really well in their drafts. No one should be disappointed bringing Schoen in.

In comment 15564049 Eric from BBI said:

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Both seem like fine choices. They are not my worry. My worry is how much control they will actually have. Will they be allowed to gut the scouting department? Can they really hire the coaches? Can they tell Chris Mara to stay out of personnel issues?

This is what it all revolves around.

I don’t think the incoming could change the scouts before the draft.

comment 15564049 Eric from BBI said:

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Both seem like fine choices. They are not my worry. My worry is how much control they will actually have. Will they be allowed to gut the scouting department? Can they really hire the coaches? Can they tell Chris Mara to stay out of personnel issues?

I'm comfortable in my own skin, LOL.

The Bills will live and die with Josh Allen. The 49ers are solidly build on both sides of the ball.

I would be happy with either guy, mainly because we know next to nothing about how decisions were made in either organization. But if I am making a choice simply based on how the teams are constructed, then I would lean towards Peters and the 49ers

It's Schoen.


Which means it's Peters.

In comment 15564180 VinegarPeppers said:

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I don’t think the incoming could change the scouts before the draft. comment 15564049 Eric from BBI said: Quote: Both seem like fine choices. They are not my worry. My worry is how much control they will actually have. Will they be allowed to gut the scouting department? Can they really hire the coaches? Can they tell Chris Mara to stay out of personnel issues?

Correct - GM and whoever he brings in with him may change the scoring system and how players are prioritized, but wholesale changes to who is actually doing the scouting is usually not made until the week after the draft.

if you like sustained success and how the 49ers are built. He's my choice, while I think it's clear their favorite from the start was Schoen.

NYG is not trading for Watson, give it up.

In comment 15564186 BigBlue7 said:

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The Bills will live and die with Josh Allen. The 49ers are solidly build on both sides of the ball. I would be happy with either guy, mainly because we know next to nothing about how decisions were made in either organization. But if I am making a choice simply based on how the teams are constructed, then I would lean towards Peters and the 49ers

The Bills defense is really good but I I won’t argue that the 49ers is just a well built team in all phase.. I love how physical they are on offense me defense.. offensively you are correct, Allen carry’s that team

I didn’t think I have nearly enough information to be unhappy about either choice.

In comment 15564184 UberAlias said:

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I'm comfortable in my own skin, LOL.

Gotta love the Peter then! lol

In comment 15564191 JonC said:

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if you like sustained success and how the 49ers are built. He's my choice, while I think it's clear their favorite from the start was Schoen. NYG is not trading for Watson, give it up.

Do you think there is a clear cut winner between the two? Or better phrased, do you see a big enough gap between the two where it would be a big regret should they go with Schoen over Peters?

that no one has been hired yet from all the teams looking? I wonder how this is all playing out behind the scenes.

Maybe the Giants are in the drivers seat here and the dominos start falling after they make their decision. Usually teams seem to close fast when they like someone.

I don't know about Flores though

In comment 15564203 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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that no one has been hired yet from all the teams looking? I wonder how this is all playing out behind the scenes. Maybe the Giants are in the drivers seat here and the dominos start falling after they make their decision. Usually teams seem to close fast when they like someone.

I think it is kind of like free agency - dominoes won't start to fall until the teams with the most attractive situation decide on what do to first.

In terms of openings right now, I would think that the Giants and Raiders have the two best landing spots for a GM.

The Bears organizational structure and ownership situation might have some guys tepid on taking that job.

The Vikings have a weird QB situation

The Broncos have a solid core of guys, but the pending ownership sale could make a perspective GM tentative about going to a spot where a new owner may want to pick his own GM

I feel better now though if the Giants feel comfortable enough with him at this juncture. I'll take either Schoen or Peters. Poles's age concerns me a bit. What I'm really worried about is how much the Maras will back off. Eric's post about is spot on. Are the Maras going to let either Peters or Schoen gut the scouting department and hire their own people? Will the Maras fall completely back out of football decision making matters? Will the Head Coach and his coaching staff be decided by the G.M. and Head Coach?

I'll say this about Peters: he's grown on me the more I've learned about him. Whether it's him or Schones, we should be in good hands (assuming the Maras go watch the ponies and lay off of the foosball decision making process).

In comment 15564012 Mike from Ohio said:

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"I really liked Poles! Let's hire him right now!!!" Then Tisch left the room to call Poles and said "Sorry, we are going to go in a different direction."

Well done. Very funny.

And with Flores as his top choice, just might be the coach the Giants prefer.

In comment 15564190 BigBlue7 said:

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In comment 15564180 VinegarPeppers said: Quote: I don’t think the incoming could change the scouts before the draft. comment 15564049 Eric from BBI said: Quote: Both seem like fine choices. They are not my worry. My worry is how much control they will actually have. Will they be allowed to gut the scouting department? Can they really hire the coaches? Can they tell Chris Mara to stay out of personnel issues? Correct - GM and whoever he brings in with him may change the scoring system and how players are prioritized, but wholesale changes to who is actually doing the scouting is usually not made until the week after the draft.

Either way I am fine so long as the new sheriff gets to make personnel and structural changes. They're going to have ability to tell the scouting directors thanks for your input, but we're doing it my way and I am making the draft selections.

That's the benefit to both Schoen and Peters or Poles here. They've been running intensive draft and scouting processes at other organizations so they know who the college talent is and who they like to fit on the Giants. New HC will have say too.

In comment 15564097 Eric from BBI said:

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I don't know how we can assume anything of the sort. I'm actually not overly confident that Mara will allow the new GM to run things.

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Well, perhaps let it play out first..

What the candidates specific strategy and plan is. It’s all speculation. I do know the Bills had a great plan to turn things around. They drafted well.

Thanks for your thoughts. Just seemed strange. Flores interviewed with the Texans and Bears and really nothing substantial came out. Just seemed to be a lot of Flores stuff being floated by the beats connecting him to the Giants.

In comment 15564202 bigblue5611 said:

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In comment 15564191 JonC said: Quote: if you like sustained success and how the 49ers are built. He's my choice, while I think it's clear their favorite from the start was Schoen. NYG is not trading for Watson, give it up. Do you think there is a clear cut winner between the two? Or better phrased, do you see a big enough gap between the two where it would be a big regret should they go with Schoen over Peters?

Tough to say, I can only offer my opinion ... I like the Bills makeup a great deal, and Schoen was reportedly part of the lovefest for Josh Allen. NYG needs a top QB badly. I prefer the makeup of the 49ers and especially their defense better than the Bills, but the Bills offense gets the edge.

So now I'm drifting into coaching hires, schemes to be implemented, etc. Anyway, I think both are excellent options. Not so sure about Flores tho, he's got a bit of problem child, apparently.

In comment 15564203 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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that no one has been hired yet from all the teams looking? I wonder how this is all playing out behind the scenes. Maybe the Giants are in the drivers seat here and the dominos start falling after they make their decision. Usually teams seem to close fast when they like someone.

It's definitely a little weird. I think a lot of variables account for that - a lot of candidates have teams in playoffs, several GM searches going on as well and teams in general just being more patient.

In comment 15564062 Producer said:

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I hope we get the smartest, most forward thinking guy who doesn't rely on cliches and truisms to do his job. That's what I hope. Get the snartest guy, not the most footballiest guy.

Agreed. No “hog mollie” talk in the first presser.