Ian O'Connor : Two Man race between Peters and Schoen

In comment 15564180 VinegarPeppers said:

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I don’t think the incoming could change the scouts before the draft.

Probably not. But moving forward after the draft, they need to clean house. If the Maras let the new GM do so.

I see a lot of optimism here that the new GM will be given carte blanche. I don't know where this optimism is coming from.

I've been letting it "play out" for the past decade.

the new GM will have carte blanche to do what he wants. But I also think people are underestimating how difficult it is for someone to surrender power when they are in the cross hairs of the decisions being made.

At some point this year or in the near future some draft choice or free agent signing will catch a bunch of flack from the press and fans. Can Mara stand aside and let the new GM work through it, or will he feel like he screwed up again and rush in to fix it before he is being shredded in the press again?

I think Mara may try to give up authority, I'm just not sure someone used to being in charge with such thin skin can keep himself out of it.

this is the battle

In comment 15564252 JonC said:

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In comment 15564202 bigblue5611 said: Quote: In comment 15564191 JonC said: Quote: if you like sustained success and how the 49ers are built. He's my choice, while I think it's clear their favorite from the start was Schoen. NYG is not trading for Watson, give it up. Do you think there is a clear cut winner between the two? Or better phrased, do you see a big enough gap between the two where it would be a big regret should they go with Schoen over Peters? Tough to say, I can only offer my opinion ... I like the Bills makeup a great deal, and Schoen was reportedly part of the lovefest for Josh Allen. NYG needs a top QB badly. I prefer the makeup of the 49ers and especially their defense better than the Bills, but the Bills offense gets the edge. So now I'm drifting into coaching hires, schemes to be implemented, etc. Anyway, I think both are excellent options. Not so sure about Flores tho, he's got a bit of problem child, apparently.

Gotcha. I'm wary of Flores as well given what's come out of Miami about his ouster there. Maybe he'll learn his lesson for the second go around but who knows.

I like the way both Bill and 49ers are built. For me I don't see that much of a gap between their defenses to give that much sway to Peters but that's just me... On offense I agree that the Bills definitely get the edge there by a good margin with much thanks to Allen on that.

I honestly haven't read a whole lot about Peters, has he had a big hand in things as much as Schoen? I know one of the things I really liked about Schoen is being instrumental in the Bills analytics department.

In comment 15564014 ryanmkeane said:

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keep in mind, McDaniel doesn't call the plays for SF. Shanahan does. McDaniel could take the OC role here instead of HC, and it would be a promotion for him. A Ryans/McDaniel pairing would be fantastic.

That's exactly how we got Graham, here. We could make Mike McDaniel Assistant HC/Offensive Coordinator and give him full control over the offense, rather than catering to Shanahan. Shanny would still have to let him go IIUC.

In comment 15564267 Mike from Ohio said:

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the new GM will have carte blanche to do what he wants. But I also think people are underestimating how difficult it is for someone to surrender power when they are in the cross hairs of the decisions being made. At some point this year or in the near future some draft choice or free agent signing will catch a bunch of flack from the press and fans. Can Mara stand aside and let the new GM work through it, or will he feel like he screwed up again and rush in to fix it before he is being shredded in the press again? I think Mara may try to give up authority, I'm just not sure someone used to being in charge with such thin skin can keep himself out of it.

If the team is showing signs or really turning it around and wins follow I think he will be fine. Hopefully some fans show up with "Keep staying out of things Mara's" when things get better.

In comment 15563981 BLUATHRT said:

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In comment 15563974 UberAlias said: Quote: But it feels like they have it narrowed down to the correct two. You should probably add the (s)

LOLL

In comment 15564269 MartyNJ1969 said:

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this is the battle

I think you’re right. Peters wants more independence, and that’s the rub. Just a guess.

GM: Peters
HC: Flores
AHC/OC: McDaniel

from roughly 10 years 91-01 and he says that Young and Accorsi basically had a free hand, While there were guys in there that the Maras put in the two GMs made the decisions. That's a long time ago now and who knows how much things have changed but at least John Mara saw that his father had let those guys run and it brought success. If he is at wits end we can only hope that he lets that happen again

In comment 15564224 pa_giant_fan said:

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And with Flores as his top choice, just might be the coach the Giants prefer.

Cant Go Wrong with either Peters or Schoen, but I would also prefer Peters with Flores as HC

In comment 15564326 mittenedman said:

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GM: Peters HC: Flores AHC/OC: McDaniel

I like your line of thinking. Flores gets the D in order and overall direction of the team and we implement the Niner style of running game on offense. Perfect for a rookie QB; a offense that goes through the running game with PA and movement.

In comment 15564271 bigblue5611 said:

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In comment 15564252 JonC said: Quote: In comment 15564202 bigblue5611 said: Quote: In comment 15564191 JonC said: Quote: if you like sustained success and how the 49ers are built. He's my choice, while I think it's clear their favorite from the start was Schoen. NYG is not trading for Watson, give it up. Do you think there is a clear cut winner between the two? Or better phrased, do you see a big enough gap between the two where it would be a big regret should they go with Schoen over Peters? Tough to say, I can only offer my opinion ... I like the Bills makeup a great deal, and Schoen was reportedly part of the lovefest for Josh Allen. NYG needs a top QB badly. I prefer the makeup of the 49ers and especially their defense better than the Bills, but the Bills offense gets the edge. So now I'm drifting into coaching hires, schemes to be implemented, etc. Anyway, I think both are excellent options. Not so sure about Flores tho, he's got a bit of problem child, apparently. Gotcha. I'm wary of Flores as well given what's come out of Miami about his ouster there. Maybe he'll learn his lesson for the second go around but who knows. I like the way both Bill and 49ers are built. For me I don't see that much of a gap between their defenses to give that much sway to Peters but that's just me... On offense I agree that the Bills definitely get the edge there by a good margin with much thanks to Allen on that. I honestly haven't read a whole lot about Peters, has he had a big hand in things as much as Schoen? I know one of the things I really liked about Schoen is being instrumental in the Bills analytics department.

I don't have answers to your last question, other than to say word is Peters has been in charge of drafting and that's the bloodline of a football program and pipeline for sustained success.

Bills defense is built more like the Rams, strong up the middle, talented backend. 49ers are stronger up front in the seven and through the middle of the backend, more old school punishing mentality in SF. That's what I like, they dictate to and wear out the opponent's offense.

I think that was the way though I think TC had very big input early on and being that was Wellington's hire. Something definitely changed in the 2009/10 timeframe imv and continued thereafter.

In comment 15564355 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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I think that was the way though I think TC had very big input early on and being that was Wellington's hire. Something definitely changed in the 2009/10 timeframe imv and continued thereafter.

Certainly seems like something has gone awry, very well could be too much interference, success sometimes makes people think they are too smart. It also could be bad hires after the two "great" GMs. In any case if Mara is now searching for a new way, hopefully he remembers what worked back in the day

In comment 15564011 Chris684 said:

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He clearly blew their socks off yesterday. By all accounts this was Schoen's job wrapped up early on and I honestly think we would have heard a decision yesterday if it wasn't for Peters.

Clearly?