Obviously I like him as a candidate. I like that he coached a team, has a winning record, went to the playoffs and won games. I like that he ran a top defense in SEA. I like that he really turned that DAL defense and he looked like he was having a ball doing it.
What is it about him or his resume that deters you?
I think his defense is wildly overrated and he has always had great personnel. In fairness, not many coaches have been great with dogshit players but overall, no sure he is the guy id want.
To me, if you want an offensive mind who is forward thinking you take mcdaniel or daboll
If you want a shot at watson and a defensive mind you take flores.
For me one of those 3 will be the next giants Head coach
It's tough to hang one game on someone but when you're talking about NFL Head Coaches, owning any loss in that game is hard to overcome (as Jim Fassel found out) let alone probably the greatest meltdown ever.
It's tough to judge these guys but the things you can see, his resume looks a little flimsier when you dig in. I think he's a talented DC though.
Dan Quinn is stale. We need an innovative young offensive guy if we want to stay relevant in this league. The future of the NFL are teams like the Bengals, 49ers, Packers, Rams, Cardinals. Young offensive coaches, stud QB's.
They went to playoffs the following season but lost a bad game at the buzzer to Eagles, then started missing the playoffs for a couple of years, and then started 2000 season off an 0-5 mark with some more bad late 4QTR losses to boot.
And that was it for him in Atlanta...
As for Quinn in Atlanta, it's because he, year in and year out, had underperforming defenses and he called plays. Before he was fired, he pushed playcalling duties over to Raheem Morris who did a better job with them. Only one season where his defense was actually above average.
2020: 29th in yards, 19th in points, 32nd in pass defense
2019: 23rd in yards, 19th in points, 23rd in pass defense
2018: 28th in yards, 25th in points, 27th in pass defense
2017: 9th in yards, 8th in points, 12th in pass defense
2016: 25th in yards, 27th in points, 28th in pass defense
2015: 16th in yards, 14th in points, 18th in pass defense
When Dan Quinn was successful as a head coach, it was more due to the offense then the defense. That offense had Kyle Shannahan as offensive coordinator and also had Matt Lafleur, Mike Lafleur, and Mike McDaniel on the staff. Once they left, the Falcons got a lot worse.
Teams figured out Quinn's defensive scheme. He significantly adjusted the coverage schemes in Dallas, but a lot of the success of the defense in Dallas was through turnovers, which isn't a stable stat.
Quinn's defensive scheme requires being really successful rushing the passer. When the Falcons couldn't do that, it was a disaster. Hopefully, the Giants can take a step forward in that department next year, but they are still going to lack the personnel to make his scheme work.
The multiple sources of praise for the diversity of fronts, back 7 looks and the way he moved Parsons around for example should tell us that he is capable of fixing the problem and is was willing to adapt.
That said, I am very uneasy, even in my own life, of the 'Mayor of Positive Town' types. Reminds me of "I saw a lot of positives, and we just need to clean things up" from the last 2 seasons here. I listened to Quinn on Sirius doing his spot with Kirwan and Miller for his entire tenure in ATL, and I was very uncomfortable thinking about that guy in front of my own team's meeting room in rough times.
Couldn't build an offensive line, couldn't draft good pass rushers.
Sound familiar?
He seems like a very good DC who should remain a very good DC.
It's tough to judge these guys but the things you can see, his resume looks a little flimsier when you dig in. I think he's a talented DC though.
I agree. I do like Quinn though as a candidate. But I'm terrified of all of the guys being talked about being terrible... including Quinn.... lol
Offense is a much quicker way to relevancy these days.
With that said, if he hires an OC that fits that bill and lets him do his thing, then it's still hard to argue against him
It takes a little humbling when you get fired to understand that you weren't always right, and hopefully makes you better. It scares me when a guy like Flores gets fired and immediately hired similar to Mangini; that doesn't humble you the way taking a demotion and restart does. I do fully recognize that I wouldn't have thought in a million years a lot of these hot shot offensive minds who have a non-existent resume as would have the success they have been having so far, so what the hell do I know?
Modern NFL.
The Seahawks came back from a 34-0 halftime pasting against the Panthers down to a 34-27 nail biter the year prior in the playoffs.
With how the current game is rigged for offense, I think it's super challenging to maintain huge leads against good teams, especially if you built the lead up fast. No 25 point lead was ever made with consistent 9 minute drives one after another.
Human nature, or being tired, or whatever, it's tough. And the Patriots caught some big momentum swinging breaks in that game too.
Pederson is interesting for sure, perhaps an even greater case can be made for hiring him. For me its that he tried to lose the game (unless he was pressured to by mgmt). I think at that point he lost the team (like Judge and his sneaks). I would never hire Judge due to that single fact again.
At the very mountaintop of leadership this is just not acceptable imo.
Lots of things will impact how he does the second time. He already showed he can put together a staff and win with talent. Who knows if he can replicate that again but I think franchises will like he has shown that.
His early down success rate defensively:
2015: 31st
2016: 27th
2017: 30th
2018: 29th
2019: 30th (10 weeks)
And they were arguably the worst 2nd half team in the NFL over that span.
I agree, I feel the same way. I actually like Harbaugh best... but they all give me hope and yet absolutely terrify me at the same time. lol
WaPo 10/23/16: Falcons’ Dan Quinn makes terrible call in overtime against Chargers
Dan Quinn inexplicably didn't challenge an obvious missed call and it backfired spectacularly
He also has a pattern of 2nd half collapses in games and collapses in the second half of the season. That tells me he might be good at prepping, but cannot adapt and think on his feet.
Five Moments That Defined Dan Quinn’s Falcons Tenure
Like I said, we could do worse, he had 2 playoff teams in his tenure, but his head was on the block any number of times in his last few seasons. Management thought his teams were under achieving.
I can't sell you why he should be the HC.
Couldn't build an offensive line, couldn't draft good pass rushers.
Sound familiar?
Did Gettleman even try?